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Posted: 3/24/2010 7:55:26 AM
Have you heard about this part of our new Healthcare Bill? A 10% tanning tax for those who use tanning salons? How silly is that! Why not put 10% more tax on alcohol or cigarettes instead.
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Posted: 3/24/2010 7:57:58 AM

Why not put 10% more tax on alcohol or cigarettes instead.
I'm sure they will. Just give them a little time.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:01:46 AM
Honestly, I applaud the tanning tax.

And, I'd like to see a similar tax on cigarettes.

I suspect it's just because the tobacco lobby is stronger than the tanning industry lobby. One step at a time.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:03:32 AM
I agree with Melissa. Tanning beds are a sure road to melanoma.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:06:42 AM
There was a thread on this very topic last night


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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:07:38 AM
I'm sure Obama is trying to figure out how to tax the sun next.

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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:16:19 AM
If they tax this they should tax all things that are dangerous to our bodies. Cigs, alcohol, junk food, soda.





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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:22:07 AM

So is this tax just on tanning with bulbs, or are they imposing it on spray tans, as well? I'm all in favor of a tax on bulb tannning...that's a cancer bed.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:25:25 AM

So is this tax just on tanning with bulbs, or are they imposing it on spray tans, as well? I'm all in favor of a tax on bulb tannning...that's a cancer bed.


Just tanning with bulbs.

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Posted: 3/24/2010 8:46:43 AM
So it's all good until they tax YOUR cancer-causing pleasure? LMAO!

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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:03:55 AM

So it's all good until they tax YOUR cancer-causing pleasure? LMAO!
MY "cancer-causing pleasure" isn't hurting anyone but ME. Unlike cigarettes.




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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:16:23 AM
I don't smoke but I believe a huge cigarette tax was implemented last summer. It varied by state but the average price of a pack went up over $2.00. I think alcohol, soda, and fast food or junk food are next. They have to get this money somewhere!!!!


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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:18:37 AM
Here's my question for you, smurfett, if one tax is okay with you (smoking and alcohol) why would the other *not* be okay (tanning). Because that thought process leads me to believe it's not the *practice* you object to, only the *act*?

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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:31:05 AM

A 10% tanning tax for those who use tanning salons? How silly is that! Why not put 10% more tax on alcohol or cigarettes instead.



I don't know about there, but here there 'are' already higher taxes built into these products.

And while basic grocery foods are tax exempt, there is an added tax for 'snack' foods, for things like pop and chips.

Theoretically this doesn't seem that different to me.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:32:43 AM
It's only hurting you?

Really?

Are you sure?

I suspect I am older than you. I am in my 40's and have three friends around my age who have battled melanoma and another currently in treatment.

So.. let's say you get melanoma. Let's say it takes a biopsy and then 3 surgeries to remove it. Add to that the cost of imaging your lymph nodes and then, possibly a biopsy of said nodes. Let's say the invasion is still too deep (happened to all 3 of my friends) and you need further treatment. So, now you are on systemic treatent (not too far from chemotherapy).

So... who pays those costs? Do you think YOU are paying those costs out of your pocket? Oh.. that's right.. you have health insurance (don't know.. getting hypothetical here). Does that several hundred dollar a month premium pay for all this? Nope. It doesn't.

When people get bad diseases, WE ALL PAY. We pay through our taxes for Medicaid and Medicare. We pay indirectly through our insurance companies for charity care provided by hospitals for the uninsured or underinsured (BTW, this is what I do.. I mainly provide charity care). We pay through higher insurance rates for everyone because one person's insurance premiums cannot cover the cost of care.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:35:54 AM

How silly is that!

And how silly is it that the costs associated with these types of things, (alcohol, smoking, etc.) are passed on to the rest of us who don't do anything like that?

I don't think it's silly at all.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:37:24 AM

MY "cancer-causing pleasure" isn't hurting anyone but ME.


I highly doubt that...

First, do you have any relatives that care about you? Cancer hurts them... I should know, my dad has cancer and it hurts every darn day...

Second, your cancer is now my cancer... with the new healthcare bill my taxes pay for your cancer treatments... that is just what it is like to live in a collective socialistic society these days.

So no, its not just hurting you. Pretty simplistic and immature way to think about doing something that you know is bad for you.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:38:23 AM
Either way I'm still going to pay for it but I could always just lay out in the back yard. I know the risks and I prefer to be tan so it's whatever.




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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:41:39 AM
I am not in favour of this for many reasons... But since we've got Melissa here, , my derm told me that one's getting skin cancer is tied to heredity and damage done before they were 18. He also told me that most skin cancer is easily dx'd and treated. It is rarely fatal and certainly less of a worry in the grand scheme then most other cancers.

As an aside I think it was Lumo who noted in that other thread that a cost analysis was done and they found people who do not live as long due to cancers and such actually suck up less money. I'm not an actuary so I can't speak knowledgeably about it but I thought it was interesting.

It really feels like a grab for cash move.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 9:41:54 AM
I think it's awesome! (and it has nothing to do with me having had melanoma 10 yrs ago)

I think the more taxes this administration/congress propose, and the more people that supported this administration/congress are forced to pay, the better.

Maybe eventually, people will realize the government being more and more in our personal business isn't really a good path.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:17:14 AM
Good for him. They should make those things illegal to begin with.





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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:20:35 AM

My tanning does NOT hurt you.


Read Melissa's post above. Please.


I can't wait until the next sin tax is soda and coffee and then we'll hear the outrage from those of you who think this tax is okay, but how dare they touch your soda or coffee.


Take a memo. You will be hearing *no* outrage from me. I've got no problem with any of it. For me, it's sort of a meet in the middle agreement. I am free to continue partaking in certain behaviors that have long term ramifications, for a price...a price that goes back into the care I might need to use when those ramifications finally take place. So, nope. I don't foresee me becoming too enraged about any type of sin tax.

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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:26:37 AM
I don't have any problem with it.





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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:30:27 AM
April seriously, your dx of melanoma would hurt plenty of people other than yourself. Think about it. Do you have a family and friends who love you and care about your well being? Your statement is as silly as those who think that their crack habit is only hurting themselves, so why should anybody else care? Ciudad Juarez, anyone? Headless tourists? Yeah.

Taxing the tanning beds is a great idea, the only better idea would be to make them illegal. I've used the tanning beds plenty in my lifetime, and I've also had melanoma that disfigured my leg at the age of 21. Glad it wasn't my face.









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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:31:16 AM
Glad I bought my cancer package last week and paid ahead 2 months! It's just another thing on the list. Whatever.




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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:35:45 AM

Glad I bought my cancer package last week and paid ahead 2 months! It's just another thing on the list. Whatever.
Me too!

Scrappity pea, tell that to my mother's entire side of the family who smoke and drink. They can miss me and hurt just as much as I will them.

Making tanning beds illegal would be fine (since I can haul my cute, tanned ass outside to get sun anyway) as soon as they make cigarettes, alcohol, drugs, junk food, soda, and processed foods illegal. All things that are bad for you. All things that can lead to an early grave.




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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:41:17 AM
This thread reeks of socialist ideals.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:52:01 AM
April, I am totally saying this toungue in cheek, but in twenty years your cute tanned ass is going to be your wrinkled saggy tractor ass if you overdo the sun. I know I'd rather be tan too, trust me. I loooooove to be tan and if it wasn't so risky I'd be in there every damn day. Please consider other methods of tanning.

I totally think that alcohol and cigarettes should be heavily taxed as well. Now that we are going to be paying for everybody else's health care, we as a nation need to take more responsibility for our own health. Be proactive, live a long, healthy life. Don't be the woman who turns thirty five and learns that she's got a month left to live because the melanoma that began in her eye spread to her brain. Don't put your family through the horror of seeing that happen to you-no matter what poor choices they've made for themselves. I understand that you are a young lady, you want to feel as attractive as possible. But if you would visit an oncology ward you might just see some of the things that you are setting yourself up for, and have a change of heart. I am sure that I sound melodramatic as heck but I'm passionate about this topic. (no, really?) I've seen your photo, and you are a beautiful lady. Don't ruin what you have! You could go to your 20 year high school reunion looking like you're 30, or you could go looking like you're 50.

I don't mean to lecture-forgive me if I sound that way. I just wish that women would realize that they don't need a tan to be beautiful.








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Posted: 3/24/2010 10:53:02 AM
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Posted: 3/24/2010 11:07:05 AM
Mandy, trust me, I have plenty enough women in my family who spent their lives in the sun and look a hundred years older than they are to know what I'm doing. I tan for a few weeks about this time of year, every year, to get my tan where I want it and then use sunscreen the rest of the time after that. By this time next year I am pale and start over. I don't tan year round or even that frequently after I get where I want. And I'm also not one of those that are never dark enough to be satisfied. I'm not an idiot and I don't do anything blind. I know my risks.




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Posted: 3/24/2010 11:09:25 AM
It's really sad. All these taxes. Didn't he say he wasn't raising taxes? What's next?

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Posted: 3/24/2010 11:15:02 AM
April, it doesn't sound like you are an obsessive tanner, but at the very least check yourself over and see a derm once a year for a full check? Eye exam too. ??

And it's Mindy, not Mandy. Want me to start calling you June, damnit?








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Posted: 3/24/2010 11:21:32 AM
pretty sure that my bil's death at 37 hurt more than just him. He left behind a 2 y/o dd, my neice, and his brother, sister, and dad. All of whom mourn him daily.

I do believe that melanoma, if not caught in time, is one of the most deadly cancers. I have lost two friends to melanoma, and I'm only 37.



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I do believe that melanoma, if not caught in time, is one of the most deadly cancers


You are correct.








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Saying tanning beds cause cancer is a knee-jerk reaction. They are a contributor for some skin types. From an article I researched for the now-defunct Today's Image tanning industry magazine:

Tan by the Numbers

Once upon a time, dermatologists tapped into a beneficial treatment known as phototherapy: a system of introducing the new high intensity ultraviolet light source (UVA) and an oral drug known as 8-methoxypsoralen to patients. Unfortunately, the doctors had no clue how much light to administer before they caused a painful burn. So Thomas B. Fitzpatrick, MD, Ph.D. -- chief of dermatology service at the Massachusetts General Hospital as well as department head and Edward Wigglesworth Professor of Dermatology at Harvard Medical School -- set out to tackle the problem.

He rounded up 1,000 participants throughout the United States, visually summing up skin types as a way to estimate proper doses of UVA:

Type I: Always burns, never tans (think fair skin, freckles, blonde or red hair)
Type II: Always burns, tans minimally (Caucasian with light-colored hair)
Type III: Burns moderately, tans gradually (Caucasian with dark-colored hair)
Type IV: Burns minimally, always tans well (Mediterranean)
Type V: Rarely burns, tans profusely (American Indian, Hispanic, South Asian)
Type VI: Never burns, deeply pigmented (African)

The good news: Less than 3 percent of the patients he assigned to this classification developed phototoxic burns. When Fitzpatrick applied objective methods to his new system, he discovered that skin phototype and melanin content have a significant correlation. The skin phototype is not based on ethnicity but on the skin color of a light-underexposed area, such as the inner arm, and the patient's response to average sun exposure: ease of sunburn and depth of tan, he wrote in his abstract at the 29th Annual Meeting of the American Society of Photobiology held in Chicago in July 2001. The tanning industry naturally latched onto this schedule as a way to approach its customers safely as well.

End of story? Only if this were a fairy tale. Between 1975 and 2001, tanning salon owners say the Fitzpatrick system has become too much of a one-size-fits-all solution for them to live happily ever after. The doses simply are unrealistic for a person who can tan easily, and frustrating customers is a no-no in a luxury service industry. Also, Fitzpatrick's approach served its purpose well in the clinical setting where, after initial exposures, qualified personnel evaluated the actual response and adjusted the next exposure. Tanning salons' staffing and other practicalities demand a broader need.

"I think the system works fine, given its restrictions, which are that not everyone fits it," says Michael Caswell, Ph.D., an industry consultant and UV light expert based in Grand Prairie, Texas. His own studies uphold the claim that Fitzpatrick's method produces a lasting tan without injury throughout multiple UV radiation exposures. However, he admits, 10 percent of the population doesn't stay within the lines -- including people you expect to be very insensitive to sun who do burn. And this percentage is based on scientific work done in Kuwait, where skin tones are darker than average in the United States. Such a misjudgment could put tanning salon owners in the line of fire.

"But in my opinion, that's not enough to worry about" Caswell maintains. "Dermatologists have used Fitzpatrick for years. There's no better system right now."

That may change this decade, thanks to people like Don Smith, executive director of the North American Alliance of Tanning Salon Owners, and Janusz Beer, a researcher with the Food and Drug Administration. These leaders are looking deeper into questions of ethnicity, minimum erythema dose (MED) effects and measurement systems' effectiveness. Perhaps the most puzzling piece missing to date is the ethnicity factor; Fitzpatrick's basic concept hinges on a reciprocal relationship between the tendency to burn and the tendency to tan. He even based the original chart on the skin responses of white Caucasians, lumping dark skin into one category that was later broken into groups IV, V and VI.

Recent research by Jin Ho Chung and Jai Youn at the Seoul National University College of Medicine-- designed to address suggestions that skin phototyping does not reliably predict the UV response of individuals with pigmented skin -- discovered that in Asian skin, it appears that burning and tanning tendency are not inversely correlated. Here the tendency to tan and constitutional skin pigmentation correlates more closely with MED, and could be used to predict skin reactions to UVR.

Jan C. van der Leun at the University Medical Center in Utrecht, Netherlands, has concluded that the thickness of epidermal layers also plays a role in skin reactions, along with several other previously unconsidered factors. "UV sensitivity, the readiness of the skin to develop erythema and sunburn, varies greatly among people," van der Leun writes. "Photosensitive patients with minimal erythema does far below normal may have skins with or without pigmentation. The vascular reactivity to UV exposure is like to be different in persons with normal skin reactions." These findings may well be more important than pigmentation in determining the skin's sensitivity to UV, he now surmises.

Meanwhile, data from studies at the Fondation A. de Rothschild in France using hundreds of volunteers selected from a sunscreen-testing laboratory's files support the concept of skin-cancer prone and skin-cancer resistant populations in that country.

Yet science is never a smooth ride from Point A to Z, but rather a series of jerky step-backs and contradictory results. The FDA's ongoing study to study different UV sensitivities within six racial/ethnic groups has preliminarily indicated that ethnicity is not a significant factor.

"The things that go into most standard questionnaires -- skin tone, hair color, eye color, freckles -- are important in determining UV sensitivity," sums up W. Howard Cyr, Ph.D., research biophysicist at the Radiation Biology Branch of the US FDA Center for Devices and Radiological Health in Maryland. "But that's a rough approximation. When you actually do the experiments, you sometimes get a surprise. That's basically why we're doing the research: Is there something more we need to know? Are there biological tests we could do other than put a piece of skin through the different UV doses first?"

In other words, they're fine-tuning information we receive at first glance.

In the Lab
Wouldnâ't it be nice if the tanning salon industry could wave a magic wand that produces the perfect tan time? After all, a light meter tells a photographer which f-stops and shutter speeds to select for his camera --and it doesn't take a brain surgeon to read the numbers. Perhaps that's what Eberhard Menzel at the University of Applied Sciences Dortmund had in mind when he began experimenting with developing a low-cost, handheld instrument to measure the reflectance of light emitting diodes (LED) from within the epidermis. The operator next cross-matches these readings with a data-entry questionnaire that goes over the tanner's general skin behavior under sun exposure, hair color, eye color and amount of freckles. The machine then calculates the information --” sunburn tendencies count more than freckles -- and spits out a skin type answer on its screen.

But will such a contraption work? That is one of the questions Beer and his colleagues set out to answer more than a year and a half ago when the FDA began investigating how well a variety of common measuring devices can predict UV sensitivity. The method is simple: take a measurement before the person tans, then measure the exposed skin on day 1, 2, 8 and 16. Beer anticipates ultimately studying 100 people; at press date he's completed almost half the experiments.

"This is preliminary but we're finding that some machines, like the Minolta spectrophotometer, work fairly well while others, like the ultrasound, is questionable," says Cyr. The instrumental measurements have been particularly useful in evaluating erythema in dark skin, as well as exploring the dynamics of erythema appearance (and disappearance). Although it will be at least a year before the experiment wraps up and the team releases its data, the implications are obvious. In the not-so-distant future, tanning salon owners likely will add these machines to their capital expense sheets, alongside beds. "It might end up being cheaper than doing a questionnaire," Cyr adds optimistically. "Economics will drive this market as much as biology.â"

The FDA's second study, headed by Sharon Miller, strikes even closer to a tanning salon owner's heart. She will test the instrumentation's readings using tanning bed lamps to pinpoint the doses and type of radiation customers actually receive. It's a direction Don Smith champions, as he's gone on record pointing out that medical bulbs are not a surrogate for tanning lamps. Since the team has just received approval for its proposal, expect to wait a couple of years before this study reaches its conclusions, however.

Meanwhile, Smith touts what he calls the neither/nor phototyping model, which he currently offers to tanning salon owners at the association's web site (www.naatso.org). His system also involves a questionnaire, but i's more detailed than Fitzpatrick's six categories. This page assigns points based on answers to 8 questions, ranging from skin, hair and eye color to genetic heritage, sunburn and tanning potential and freckle count. After reaching a UV tolerance score, the test also probes into areas like pregnancy, medications, and existing diseases.

"The results show that fewer of the most UVR sensitive individuals patronize indoor tanning salons than would be expected, presumably because of their life-long battle with sunburning," Smith told his audience at the American Society of Photobiology. His conclusion: this standardized indoor tanning industry specific skin typing (subtyping) system is a satisfactory way to predict sensitivity. As he emphasizes about his presentation to TSO members, three things must be determined in order to establish the neither/nor exposure schedule: 1. Know the client's skin type (subtype) using a standardized questionnaire, establish tolerance to UVR levels that are more conservative than indicated by the scientific literature and determine the sunbed's MED per minute as determined by a properly calibrated spectroradiometer, he says. Caswell remains reserved at this point, waiting for a scientific body to review the data before making his decision.

Additional studies presented at the Chicago conference hint at still more fascinating nuggets research may uncover in its quest. For instance, Chris Edwards, with the Royal Gwent Hospital in Newport, South Wales, knows that much overlap occurs between phototypes, and differences in pigment index between adjacent phototypes are not statistically significant. In English, that means Type I and II are too close to call. Edwards believes the eye and hair color may be the real predictors to bail you out in your choice.

In the last two years, dermatologists in Dublin have surveyed the skin type of 200 patients with non-melanoma skin cancers; all patients with squamous cell carcinomas (SCC) were either Fitzpatrick's Type I or II. By contrast patients with basal cell carcinomas (BCCs) comprised 19 percent Type I, 51 percent Type II and 29 percent Type III. High resolution ultrasound revealed that patients with SCCs were more likely to have severe solar damage, while patients with BCCs had only moderate amounts of solar damage, and patients with malignant melanoma often had little evidence on ultrasound of solar damage.

Perhaps Nikiforos Kollias, representing J&J Consumer Products Worldwide in Skillman, New Jersey, sums it up best in his presentation's conclusion: "While we have succeeded in quantifying a wide array of parameters of human skin, we have not been successful in defining the combination of parameters that best reflects the skin typing classification originally proposed by T.B. Fitzpatrick. How can a skin type meter become an attainable goal?"

The FDA, for its part, strives for transparency in its process to answer these questions, Cyr insists. "Sometimes I hear that we're in cahoots with the dermatologists or certain lamp manufacturers. That's not the case at all," he explains. "It's coming from an investigation of recent and best science, and in anything we do we try to bring everybody in, to make it an open process." By law, when it does release its specific recommendations and changes, this data will be published in the Federal Register, followed by an open comment period. "We must consider all the comments, with a reply to each," Cyr reminds.




Believe me, I picked up the phone to talk to these scientists convinced they could never prove these things weren't warm death coffins. But as usual, the topic is deeper than that.
Far deeper than this reactionary, punitive tax the government just slapped on our tanning salons. Most of these owners are small-business people making less money than you and I when it's all said and done. They've just watched their industry take a huge, early hit from this law.

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They are also wanting to ban restaurants from adding salt to food in restaurant cooking.
No, ONE GUY in NY proposed some legislation and got roundly drubbed for it. One guy, not "they."

Why add more taxes to substances that are already taxed, while there are other goods and services that have escaped until now?


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So... who pays those costs? Do you think YOU are paying those costs out of your pocket? Oh.. that's right.. you have health insurance (don't know.. getting hypothetical here). Does that several hundred dollar a month premium pay for all this? Nope. It doesn't.


And now we begin the slippery slope...Now that government controls healthcare, they can mandate what you drink, eat, sleep, exercise. If it affects your health, they own you on it. Welcome to the land of government control of your body...except for abortions.



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And now we begin the slippery slope...Now that government controls healthcare, they can mandate what you drink, eat, sleep, exercise. If it affects your health, they own you on it. Welcome to the land of government control of your body...except for abortions.


'cause of course that's what has happened in us "socialist" countries huh? Uh no, actually. Slippery slope my arse.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 11:54:49 AM
Well I think it stinks.

I don't tan often, but I always go to smaller local owned shops. I wonder if they would end up losing business and shutting down.


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Here's my question for you, smurfett, if one tax is okay with you (smoking and alcohol) why would the other *not* be okay (tanning). Because that thought process leads me to believe it's not the *practice* you object to, only the *act*?


no, I don't see anything wrong with tanning (I personally don't tan) but it's not like it causes second-hand smoke, or DWI's. I just think it was an odd subject for adding new taxes.

Maybe we will soon have a new tatoo tax, breast inplant tax and peircing tax...those seem about as reasonable as tanning taxes.

my other thought is that there are alot more people drinking and smoking than tanning. If there revenue is that "needed" why not tax the things that will be the biggest money makers and cover the mojority of the population? - Maybe because lots of politicians smoke and drink?

..I don't smoke, drink or tan - so none of this would/or is going to effect me.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:09:25 PM

'cause of course that's what has happened in us "socialist" countries huh? Uh no, actually. Slippery slope my arse.


As you always say, you don't know what happens in my country. I could care less what socialist countries believe or do. And yes, you are a socialist-lite country. The more the government controls the more socialist you are.

However, the topic is about the United States, and this thread perfectly describes what will happen. People are perfectly fine with the government penalizing someone else for what they deem bad for them.

It's disgusting.



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People are perfectly fine with the government penalizing someone else for what they deem bad for them.

It's disgusting.


Other people having a different opinion to you is disgusting? Ok then.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:18:01 PM
Here's a hint for the tanning people, do as Doc Baker from Little House on the Prairie, trade your visits for eggs and livestock (a levity poke back at Sarah H ). You can skip all new taxes that way.


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I am not in favour of this for many reasons... But since we've got Melissa here, , my derm told me that one's getting skin cancer is tied to heredity and damage done before they were 18. He also told me that most skin cancer is easily dx'd and treated. It is rarely fatal and certainly less of a worry in the grand scheme then most other cancers.



I'm a fair skinned redhead that tans 1-2 times a month for 8 minutes and have yet to have a doctor scold me for it.

I've had two different doctors in two different states not mind my tanning because it helps my SAD. It also means I don't have to get an RX for a light therapy box.

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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:26:03 PM

Maybe we will soon have a new tatoo tax, breast inplant tax and peircing tax...those seem about as reasonable as tanning taxes.

my other thought is that there are alot more people drinking and smoking than tanning. If there revenue is that "needed" why not tax the things that will be the biggest money makers and cover the mojority of the population? - Maybe because lots of politicians smoke and drink?

I think we should start taxing people for bad spelling. We could pay off the US deficit just on your posts alone!



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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:46:57 PM

From an article I researched for the now-defunct Today's Image tanning industry magazine


A tanning industry magazine is the last place I'd go for info on tanning and cancer.

Phototherapy is used for conditions like T-cell lymphoma of the skin and some excema, and I would trust a dermatologist to know the appropriate amounts to give. (These sessions usually last around a minute or two.)

A lot of people die from melanoma. Don't fool yourself into thinking that it is highly curable.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:48:45 PM
It also means I don't have to get an RX for a light therapy box.




You don't need one to buy one of Amazon. I would rather use a light box for SAD than a tanning bed.


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Posted: 3/24/2010 12:52:43 PM

A tanning industry magazine is the last place I'd go for info on tanning and cancer.
ITA. That should fall into the "duh!" category.



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Posted: 3/24/2010 1:47:05 PM

Don't fool yourself into thinking that it is highly curable.
Not what I said. This is what I said:

...skin cancer is tied to heredity and damage done before they were 18. He also told me that most skin cancer is easily dx'd and treated. It is rarely fatal and certainly less of a worry in the grand scheme then most other cancers.
I was not even implying melanoma. Just that most skin cancers are NOT melanoma and they can be screened for and treated.

Of course avoiding damage is best but since most of the damage is done when we are younger thats kind of difficult. And well, heredity is not a thing we can do anything about at this time. My family is from well north of the US border and cancer is like breathing in and out. Trust me, I'm all about prevention and screening. But I'm not in favour of taxing.


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