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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:00:14 PM
I'm trying to hang in there, and I really wanted to like this show, but it's just not doing it for me.

I really don't care about any of the characters and there are so many reasons why I'm just not buying this no electricity thing. And the sword fights...oy.

Anyone else feel the same way or maybe really like the show?




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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:03:15 PM
I am with you. I was thinking The Stand/Hunger Games and instead it is endless sword fights and bland protagonists. Giving it a few more episodes only because I have so little else to watch.

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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:07:44 PM
I thought the same thing - they didn't give the characters enough time to develop before the battles began. I was really looking forward to this show - but I've been disappointed so far.


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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:10:59 PM
I'm still hanging in, but really disappointed so far.


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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:15:15 PM
Nope. I hate this show. I would love to stop watching it, but my husband is hooked and we only have 1 tv in our house. It doesn't make any sense, they're not really explaining anything w/ regards to the power outages or why it won't ever come back on. There are way too many characters to keep track of already. And the fighting is ridiculous. And the woman playing the main character girl is not very believable in her role.



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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:18:42 PM
I gave up after episode two.

I am super into post apocolyptic fiction books lately and I was really looking forward to seeing it on TV. The question of what happens to modern society is a fun thought experience.

The problem for me is the giant, giant plot holes. Even if electricity stopped we could still harness steam power and natural gas. No electricity doesn't automatically mean we are back in the stone age. Also, honestly do you think that people would give up their guns? What country is this taking place in again?

It seems like the producers think that in order to get an audience they have to include lots of action (swordfights! crossbows!) but nobody has told them that character development is important too.




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Posted: 10/2/2012 10:36:55 PM

am super into post apocolyptic fiction books lately and I was really looking forward to seeing it on TV. The question of what happens to modern society is a fun thought experience.

The problem for me is the giant, giant plot holes. Even if electricity stopped we could still harness steam power and natural gas. No electricity doesn't automatically mean we are back in the stone age. Also, honestly do you think that people would give up their guns? What country is this taking place in again?




Me as well!

The Maggie story I really don't get. I'm assuming she was here in the US when the event happened, so she was not able to go home to the UK? So in 15 years time, they couldn't come up with sailboats or steam boats to travel across the ocean? Wouldn't you do everything you could do to get home to your family?

If this happened 5 years after the event, I could understand it. We are dependent on industry for our food supply, so if that stopped, of course many people would die of hunger and countries would fall apart. But I would think there are enough well educated people that they could come up with a better way in 15 years then what is going on.

And how do everyone's clothes look so clean and neat like the Google guys AC/DC shirt?

Walking Dead is so much better, plus there are zombies.



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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:28:31 PM
We gave up on it. Decided not to waste any more time on it. We found it very boring and didn't care much for the characters. Moving on.

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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:44:43 PM
I just watched this weeks episode and I am really tired of the excessive violence in this show. They do need to work on character development and if they don't and just focus on the violence I cannot see it lasting.



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Posted: 10/2/2012 11:52:52 PM
I absolutely love the show. It hooked me on the first episode. If you don't care for it, I wouldn't watch anymore - use the time to watch or do something you like.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 12:23:29 AM
I really liked the first episode but the second couldn't keep my attention and I haven't bothered to watch the third yet. Doesn't sound promising.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:06:16 AM
I gave up after two episodes. I really did not like the main character - the daughter looking for her brother. And trying to push aside the fact that they seem to have gone from the 21st century back to the 15th or 16th, I couldn't get past the fact that they looked like they'd all just come from the salon and a fresh new wardrobe from Banana Republic. At least on Lost they got dirty.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:42:45 AM

they're not really explaining anything w/ regards to the power outages or why it won't ever come back on

I have yet to see this show (I watch Castle at that time) so forgive me in advance for speaking out of turn, but I could see this happening. If there is no one or not enough people left behind to operate the electrical plants, then power would run out after 3-7 days, with the exception of Hoover Dam's power grids which could last a few years. Also, the level of the spent nuclear fuel rods will shut down because the back up power generators will run out. Then, the cooling pools that prevent the spent nuclear fuel from overheating will start to boil eventually causing a explosion, thereby making nuclear power unavailable.

I learned this from watching a series on the History channel a few years ago called "Life After People", it was very interesting and fascinating.

I really wanted to see this show but won't give up Castle and don't have the time to catch up on shows on line. But it sounds like I wouldn't be all that interested if they focus more on violence and sword fights than character development.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:56:06 AM
I only watched episode 1. The show just didn't make me look forward to future episodes. Which would probably explain why I forgot to watch the following week!

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:21:21 AM
We are still watching for now but are really having trouble with the no power scenario. Let's just say for a moment that power disappearing in a second could be explained...why after 15 years does everyone not have a horse and buggy? Why have they not gone back to steam power? And here is the biggie we came up with last night -why hasnt everyone made their way to the nearest Amish community to learn how to live with no modern resources?

It really hasn't been all that long since people were living without electricty.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:29:26 AM
I give something 2 episodes and if I don't like it, I stop watching - life is too short


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:42:46 AM

I have yet to see this show (I watch Castle at that time) so forgive me in advance for speaking out of turn, but I could see this happening. If there is no one or not enough people left behind to operate the electrical plants, then power would run out after 3-7 days, with the exception of Hoover Dam's power grids which could last a few years. Also, the level of the spent nuclear fuel rods will shut down because the back up power generators will run out. Then, the cooling pools that prevent the spent nuclear fuel from overheating will start to boil eventually causing a explosion, thereby making nuclear power unavailable.


I get what you're saying. But, as of right now, there was no mass event that killed a bunch of people on earth (except for the planes falling out of the sky when the electricity went away). And, all of the books on the planet are still available, and would have been immediately available right after the power went back on. I find it very hard to believe that some smart people didn't think to go to the library to look up electricity or whatever other topic to figure out a way to turn it back on. It just doesn't seem plausible to me. The power plant thing I completely understand (my dad spent close to 30 years working at various nuclear plants). But, I know that all the info for them are also readily available at the library. So I have to imagine that after 15 years, someone somewhere would have figured SOMETHING out.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:40:00 AM
I'm still watching, but I'm not sure for how long. I hesitate to get to caught up in a program that looks like it might be going nowhere. "Lost" hooked me immediately and left me hanging every week with more questions than the week before, but I was always drawn back to it because I loved the characters. I don't feel the same way about these characters, though. The girl searching for her brother? I find her incredibly annoying. Uncle Miles? Kinda bland for my taste, although the new information added last night about his role months after the blackout added a little interest. The character I like the most is the computer guy.

My understanding of the "no power" thing, though, is that electricity just won't work, not that they can't generate it. Somewhere in the first show they talked about how ALL electricity went out suddenly, even that stored in batteries. Some kind of disturbance made using electricity impossible. Even though steam and hydroelectric power can be used create electricity, if the electricity won't work, then they are not a solution. Some steam and hydroelectric power can be used to directly power some things (think grist mill), but in reality they are almost always connected to turbine or generator to produce electricity.

Last night was interesting when it showed the phone and CD player powering on for a few moments. That little "trinket" seems to be able to "counteract" the disturbance and let the electricity flow. From the previous shows, I thought it was just used to turn on the computer and communicate, but apparently there is more to it than that.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:55:12 AM
I really wanted to like this show. I just can't get over how clean everyone is. Heck, no one even sweats on this show!

Supposedly "they" rounded up all the guns, but they are using muskets because they have no bullets?! You don't need electricity to make bullets! And where did all the swords come from? Did they make them? If they can forge swords, why not make some bullets?

Very few horses it seems, no homespun, no furs from trapping or hunting...it just seems so implausable to me that Americans would just give up that easily.

I really don't know if I am going to watch it anymore....

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:59:16 AM

why after 15 years does everyone not have a horse and buggy?
Because everyone would have eaten the horses if they were facing mass starvation. You probably wouldn't see many cats or dogs in a situation like this, either. People will eat whatever they can get their hands on once the "processed" and stored food runs out.

As for people growing their own food--there wouldn't be enough seed to supply many people for very long, even if people did know how to grow their own food, which the vast majority would not. Much seed would go to waste just because so many people would plant/care for it incorrectly. Unfortunately, the major agricultural corporations that produce seeds today specialize in "designer" seeds that have been genetically engineered to resist drought and pests. They have invested a lot of money in developing the seeds, and in many cases the purchasers have to sign a contract stating they will not "save" any seed from the crops to use the next year, thus guaranteeing repeat business for the seed company. Recent advances in genetics allowed the seed producers to alter the seeds with a "kill" switch that prevents them from reproducing after one or two generations to make sure no one can save seeds.

Basically after one or two years, there would be very little agriculture as we know it today, leading to even more hunger. They should be able to get some seeds without the "kill" switch (I think the inexpensive ones that you get at the dollar store or Lowes or Home Depot would probably be okay), but you have to know what you are doing to make sure the seeds are mature enough to grow a new plant that will bear fruit. Again, that is a lost art.

As for finding out how to survive from the Amish--most of them probably wouldn't survive the assault on their farms for their stored food, livestock, and equipment.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 9:53:32 AM

...there wouldn't be enough seed to supply many people for very long, even if people did know how to grow their own food, which the vast majority would not. Much seed would go to waste just because so many people would plant/care for it incorrectly.


Soooo then, how did the pioneers do it in colonial days?

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Posted: 10/3/2012 10:08:43 AM
I'm only watching now to see which Illinois towns they will visit ... so far, every city/town that I have heard them say really does exist.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 10:42:00 AM
The show was hyped up so much I couldn't help but be a little disappointed. I wish it was more realistic. American idol was also really hyped up this year with Nicki Minaj and Mariah Carey but all that has turned out to be just a drama-fest.. It is getting ridiculous. everyone should see this video - nicki is screaming at mariah about a contestants elimination or continuation..I guess Nicki takes her job reallllly seriously..

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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:12:49 AM
Once you get out of the cities, growing vegetable gardens is not seen as a lost art. Most people know the basics and your average garden can produce food even when moderately neglected (like mine.) Nothing on the show has told us how many people died in the first few years after the blackout. All we know is it's been 15 years and people are managing to survive just fine. The big problem on the show is not food or survival but freedom from the oppression of the militia.

All that said, this show is stupid. One sniper can hold off a well trained troop? Really? The leader of an entire government, a man with military training, can't figure out that you can beat a single sniper by sending a whole bunch of people at once or maybe, I don't know attack from multiple directions at once? Really? And please don't get me started on the tunnel. A tunnel!!

Sigh. I can't get past the basic stupid of the script, without even taking into account the likability of any of the characters. I won't be watching anymore.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:17:12 AM
Pretty disappointed here (and dh too). I think it is too far fetched how things turn out. There are so many intelligent people on this earth, I don't think they would let 15 years go by with out figuring something out as far as communication/electricity. I just don't like the angle it portrays. It's like Hunger Games mixed with a little Flash Forward, throw in a little Walking Dead = but not a good mix.

Oh and I guess there was no shortage on candles in that 15 years. It also bothered me how decrepit they made the interior of the houses look - I guess they ran out of cleaning supplies?

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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:25:41 AM
First if we were to ever loose all electricity I can not find a way in physical science that would stop every fuel powered vehicle with electric accessories at the same time. So it starts out on a very unbelievable premise. Then to tell me that we would be reduced to the 17th century because of it for 15 full years afterwards? Ummm no. Too many smart people too many other technologies available already without even inventing another. And yes the one dude with a sniper rifle could hold off everyone yeah right. The inside of the house look too disheveled for 15 years yet the outsides of the houses in that little cul de sac they began on were barely worn.

But I dont watch tv for totally believable 'reality' all the time and I can make some of these leaps. (Star trek anyone?? ) What I can't do however is make up character development and I do think there is a bit much violence. They get about 1 more week from me to develop this or I am out. Probably wouldn't give them that week but there is not too much on in that time slot that I watch.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:35:11 AM
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Lilyloams--how did the pioneers do it? Well for starters, they learned how to plant and harvest by the age of 5 or 6. They learned how to preserve what they grew b/c they couldn't run to Kroger. I would guess that 80% or more of today's population wouldn't have the foggiest idea how to survive without a grocery store today b/c they are so far removed from the true source of our food.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:48:22 AM

Oh and I guess there was no shortage on candles in that 15 years.


I noticed that too. They were all like brand new 3 or 4 inch pillar candles. My DD said that maybe they raided all the Yankee Candle stores, lol.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 11:58:07 AM
Perumbula-- growing a garden outside the city may not be a lost art, but the bulk of our population resides in urban/suburban areas where agriculture on a scale large enough to support even a fraction of our population is not possible. Even the average backyard veggie garden isn't going to produce enough to feed most families for a year, assuming there is even a way to preserve it.

SOME people currently use home canning to preserve food as the family's primary source of food, but for many it is just a "hobby". There is no way there are enough mason jars and lids for everyone to suddenly preserve enough food until the next harvest.

And don't forget the seeds. You can't just take any seeds from the crop and expect them to develop into fully producing plants the next year. If you harvest too early, they may not be mature enough to sprout. Even if you do manage to save good seeds, if you plant them too early, or too late, orif it rains too much , or if you get a late freeze, you can still end up with no food and no seed for the next harvest.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 12:07:20 PM
I haven't seen it, but to partially answer the horse and buggy question-

We have a horse. In order to feed it for a year here in CO where we don't get enough rain and the grass doesn't grow much, we'd need 10 acres per horse. So we buy hay that someone else has grown, cut, baled, and delivered to us. A lot of machinery/gas-powered things used to do all that. Now out East where there's better grass and more rain, I think one acre per horse is more normal. But how many people have that much grass growing, and a place to house the horse? Also, not enough horses around to get even close to meeting the transportation needs.

Now, DH is quite handy and could probably make a buggy for us to ride to town in, but all his power tools need electricity. Where could he buy hand tools to make a buggy? Can't find them on Craigslist (no computers), and he can't call his dad in KY who may have some (and how would we get them o s here in CO?).

ETA- I have tons of food stored in my freezer, but if I had to can food on a wood-burning stove like in Little House on the Prairie, well, I've got an electric stove and a fireplace. Most people don't even have a fireplace. How could they can their produce from their garden?


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Posted: 10/3/2012 12:08:17 PM
I'm fairly certain they just needed to read "Little House in the Big Woods" then they could survive just fine.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 12:20:38 PM
Or they could just, I don't know...walk to the library in their town and look up gardening and agriculture books to find out just how to grow some food properly.

This show is ridiculous. The more I read this thread, the more I hate it. I need to stop reading this thread!



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Posted: 10/3/2012 12:25:47 PM

Even though steam and hydroelectric power can be used create electricity, if the electricity won't work, then they are not a solution. Some steam and hydroelectric power can be used to directly power some things (think grist mill), but in reality they are almost always connected to turbine or generator to produce electricity.
I understand what you are saying. However this show makes it look like without electricity we would be flung back to 1700. However, I think that society would be more in line with 1900 (just before widespread use of electricity). Steam powered trains and ships, gas powered light and heat. Sure, today steam and gas is used to produce electricity but it wasn't always thus. We haven't completely lost that knowledge.




I really wanted to like this show. I just can't get over how clean everyone is. Heck, no one even sweats on this show!

Supposedly "they" rounded up all the guns, but they are using muskets because they have no bullets?! You don't need electricity to make bullets! And where did all the swords come from? Did they make them? If they can forge swords, why not make some bullets?

Very few horses it seems, no homespun, no furs from trapping or hunting...it just seems so implausable to me that Americans would just give up that easily.
I am right there with you! I am thinking we would see much, much more leather and fur. More of a 'handmade' look to things than we are seeing. The cleanliness is really jarring too.

I would love to know just how 'they' rounded up the guns. There is (roughly) one gun for every man, woman and child in private hands in the US. Good luck convincing gun owners to give them up in a crisis situation. I hate to say it, but in a 'all the power goes out' circumstance it's the non gun owners in the cities who would quickly perish. The ratio of guns to people in the US would rapidly become two, three or more guns for every person. Many (not all) bun owners know how to reload their own ammo... no need to revert to muskets.


why after 15 years does everyone not have a horse and buggy?
My question is... why are there no bicycles?


everyone would have eaten the horses if they were facing mass starvation. You probably wouldn't see many cats or dogs in a situation like this, either. People will eat whatever they can get their hands on once the "processed" and stored food runs out.
I agree about the horses. Not only are they a good source of protein but they are also competition for scarce food resources. I think we would see cats and dogs but not as pets as we have them now. They would be working animals with important jobs but responsible for catching their own food. Cats as ratters to protect grain stores, and dogs as protection agains other animals (raccoons) which would steal food.


Basically after one or two years, there would be very little agriculture as we know it today, leading to even more hunger. They should be able to get some seeds without the "kill" switch (I think the inexpensive ones that you get at the dollar store or Lowes or Home Depot would probably be okay), but you have to know what you are doing to make sure the seeds are mature enough to grow a new plant that will bear fruit. Again, that is a lost art.
No modern, industrialized agriculture sure. However I would think that after one or two years the population would be drastically smaller. I would think in the first couple of years 70% of people would die. The more 'traditional' forms of agriculture would be sufficient to feed those who remain. There are those who collect and save 'heirloom' seed varieties and those would be the people who would have real power to restart agriculture.

You are right that traditional farming is a lost art in the cities... but I think most of the loss of life will be in the cities. The people in more rural areas will have much more ability to survive and thrive.

Which leads to one of the huge plot holes... if the main character's dad knew this was happening why did they wait a week to leave the city? They should have left at first light to get he heck out of dodge. Cities don't have enough food on hand to feed their populations for a week. Chaos would set in very, very quickly in Chicago. Heck, parts of the city are near chaos *now*.





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Posted: 10/3/2012 1:01:59 PM

I can not find a way in physical science that would stop every fuel powered vehicle with electric accessories at the same time.
Look up the Carrington Event. It was a huge solar storm that hit the earth in 1859. It was before our dependence on electricity but the resulting EMP caused havoc with the telegraph system. If a massive EMP hit the earth today it would fry just about everything electrical we have.

Now, that would be a one shot deal and we could rebuild from it back to a modern electric based system. However all our modern cars would be ruined because they depend on computers. Older cars would still work. Which leads to another thing that bugs me about this show... why aren't' older vehicles that just depend on internal combustion and no electrical features around?


Soooo then, how did the pioneers do it in colonial days?
To start with lots and lots of them died. Particularly in colonial days (Jamestown anyone?) They also had more knowledge going in that we would have to 're-aquire' through books. Pioneers knew lots of things we have forgotten (how to make soap, candles, tools)


Also, on this show when they are walking places (again, why not riding bicycles?) they are always walking overland as though there are no established roads or paths. However nobody ever seems to consult a map, or a compass or even the sun. They are amazing orienteers! Why aren't they following the old roads and highways - which sure, would be crumbled, but would still be visible and some would be likely fairly solidly traveled trade routes. Alternately, if they are in Illinois they should be traveling along the rivers and streams in the area. Actually, why aren't they traveling *on* the rivers and streams in rafts/canoes?

Can you tell I am excited about this thread because I have wanted to talk about this? Nobody I know IRL has watched it at all.

One more point about leaving the city. They should have made the father a professor at Loyola or DePaul or Northwestern. There is no way they would safely get down to the University of Chicago and out safely a week after the blackout. Heck, you couldn't walk there and back safely *today*.




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Posted: 10/3/2012 1:11:59 PM
I'm trying to figure out where the little village they lived in was located at. Clearly it's in a burb of Chicago because it took them no time at all to walk to Chicago.

I will say as a Lost fan when Jeremy turned over after his ass-kicking I said "Jacob" Then they had to name him something else.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 1:12:01 PM
A yawn fest for me, I grabbed my IPad and read here while it was on.
Too many idiosyncrasies, boring characters, not enuf explanation.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 1:17:04 PM
I was kinda liking it... but now after reading all that.. DANG you peas, that isn't fair.


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