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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:13:26 PM
Obama never ceases to amaze me. Just when I think he can't stoop lower, he does.
Did anyone pay attention to his speech he gave yesterday after the debate?
Childish, mocking, and full of out right lies.

Romney on the otherhand, who would have had every right to go out and spike the football and scream and yell about how he shellacked the President, remained professional and on topic. He did not go out and mock the President for his poor performance. He went about his business and kept focused on the issues.

But Obama and company went into full blown spin mode. Accusing Romney of all kinds of things. Doesn't that speak volumes to anyone?

Not so with our illustrious President.

Here is the transcript of his speech.

From the text:

But we also had our first debate last night. (Applause.) And when I got onto the stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney. (Laughter.) But it couldn't have been Mitt Romney - because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. The fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. (Laughter.)


1 - How is it helpful to be so condescending? How can anyone stomach this behavior from the POTUS? And 2 - the 5 trillion dollar thing has been discredited over and over and over. Even Stephanie Cutter admitted today that they were lying about that number. Yet he continues to triple down on it. Are his voters really that stupid or does he just treat them that way?



The real Mitt Romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms.


REALLY, Mr President?? Really?? Please tell me exactly where and when Romney actually said such a thing? Oh, that's right. You won't because you can't. It's a lie. A dirty, rotten, lie.


But the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers, can't get enough of them. (Laughter.) The Mitt Romney we all know invested in companies that were called "pioneers" of outsourcing jobs to other countries. But the guy on stage last night, he said that he doesn't even know that there are such laws that encourage outsourcing - he's never heard of them. Never heard of them. Never heard of tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. He said that if it's true, he must need a new accountant.


More mocking and condescension. Awesome. Keepin it classy.

And please, Mr President, let us know exactly what "companies" you are referring to, and exactly WHO called them "pioneers" of outsourcing - other than you and your own surrogates and minions that is. If you actually tell the truth, you'd know that Bain capital is responsible for hundreds of thousands of jobs right here in this country, sir.

And - please...tell us exactly WHICH laws you are referring to - you know, the ones that encourage the shipping of jobs overseas? Cite for us, please, the exact law. And if such laws exist, why didn't you bring it up during the debate when Romney said he didn't know of any laws?. I know why, sir. Because such laws do not exist. And because you are incapable of thinking on your feet and have no command of actual facts. You fold under pressure and can't handle someone actually challenging you, because no one around you ever does, do they?


So Governor Romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be President, you owe the American people the truth. (Applause.)


*FACE PALM*

I can't believe you actually had the cajones to actually say that outloud, in public.


We don't believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in something called opportunity. We believe in a country where hard work pays off and where responsibility is rewarded, and everybody is getting a fair shot, and everybody is doing their fair share, and everybody plays by the same rules.


Please tell me how everyone is playing by the "same rules"? Tell me how giving 90billion to certain green companies, many of which are owned by your largest donors, is fair to all the other companies out there trying to make it work? Tell me how giving Obamacare waivers to your favored Unions is playing fair? Tell me how "asking" defense contractors to BREAK THE FREAKING LAW and refrain from issuing lay off notices, playing fair?

You have no idea what fairness is, sir. You have no. freakin'. clue.

You tout personal responsiblity while running ridiculous ad campaigns designed to get more and more people to sign up for foodstamps, for crying out loud! And let's not forget about dear old JULIA and her cradle to grave government controlled life. Personal responsibility. Yeah. You are all over that, aren't you?

This President totally reminds me of the bully that backs down when someone actually gets in his face, but then runs off at the mouth about how big and bad he is when he is surrounded by all his little bully-wanna be friends.

I could go on, take apart nearly every paragraph, but I just don't have the time.

UGH. Just UGH. What a disgrace.








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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:43:38 PM
Well, come on Lynlam it could have been the altitude that made him say that!


Did you hear that one? Gore said it!



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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:43:47 PM
<crickets> I agree with you.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:49:09 PM
LOL I just read accusations that Mitt Romney cheated at the debate which is why he did so good. LOL I call it grasping at straws. The POTUS just came unprepared. Period.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:50:44 PM
I also agree. Politics has always been a dirty game, but I knew this election was going to be especially dirty. If the media actually did its job I think he would do it less, but as long as he gets away with it, it will continue. At this point I more annoyed with them then I am with Obama's lies.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 3:54:34 PM
I have long ago concluded that no matter what this man does its "un-Presidental" as far as you're concerned.

So I'll take a page from Mrs Tyler's book.

He isn't doing anything different than Romney. If Romney can do it so can he.....


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:02:57 PM
I fully expected that post-debate the Obama spin machine was going to take a page out of the Chris Matthews play book and scream LIAR.

And they did. - no big surprise. Just more deflection which is the basis of the entire Obama campaign.

At the debate Obama played his Bill Clinton card, told a grandma/grandpa story, then played his it's all George Bush's fault card.

Pathetic.

After all of that he had 2 fill minutes to say something meaningful to the American people and threw it away.


Nothing sticks to this Teflon President. Not the spin the White House put out about the 9/11/12 terrorist attack, the fast & furious debacle, the 2008 tape where her lied to the people of New Orleans. He knew that the Stafford requirement had been waived because the vote was taken 10 days before his speech and he voted NAY.

Now, the massaged unemployment rate. It really is unchanged from the month before according to independent economists who looked at the number.

But if you keep telling a lie over and over again Obama thinks people will believe it. Why? Because at least 50% of the people do.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:12:38 PM
"the fast & furious debacle"

I'm curious. Do you know the entire story about fast and furious and the history behind it.

It seems to me that everyone focuses in on the President and Holder but some key problems about this entire situation that are missed or glossed over.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:15:56 PM
cheating at the debate? I'm not taking sides or being snarky, how does someone cheat at the debate?? I know both sides spend lots of time preparing but cheating?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:40:01 PM
I bow to you Lynlam. Very well said.
And aren't we all surprised that the unemployment rate came down just 30 days before the election? NOT!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:40:25 PM

And - please...tell us exactly WHICH laws you are referring to - you know, the ones that encourage the shipping of jobs overseas? Cite for us, please, the exact law. And if such laws exist, why didn't you bring it up during the debate when Romney said he didn't know of any laws?. I know why, sir. Because such laws do not exist. And because you are incapable of thinking on your feet and have no command of actual facts. You fold under pressure and can't handle someone actually challenging you, because no one around you ever does, do they?



Romney knew exactly what the President meant when the President said



"Right now you can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas. I think most Americans would say that doesn't make sense," Obama said.



and if Mitt Romney didn't know this, he should have known about it as a long term businessman

Note the word DEDUCTION

What part of the debate did the President say there was law in place that encourages this as per your question?

Do you still think that he was in the right to deny any knowledge of it when in fact this wss recorded as being correct back in June when they replied to letter about the " Bring Jobs Home Act"



The Joint Committee on Taxation noted in that same letter that "deductions are generally allowed for all ordinary and necessary expenses paid or incurred by the taxpayer ... in carrying on any trade or business, which includes the relocation of business units."

The deduction applies whether the company is "moving down the street or moving to Asia," said Steve Semerdjian, a partner at the Loeb & Loeb law firm who specializes in outsourcing.




The President didn't say that the deduction was specifically to outsourcing jobs to overseas but the deduction if there for all companies re-locating. So yes, it is true that there is a deduction that companies benefit from by outsourcing their jobs overseas.

So the President didn't lie but Mitt Romney did choose to twist the statement that was made.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:42:03 PM



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:42:38 PM
Stating up front - I am voting for Romney

I saw a snippet of this conversation on the TV and I was kind of surprised by it. From what I read, he was not that confident/cocky/arrogant on the debate. But, he came out the next day with this speech. And, my friends, I think that is why he will win. He is very well spoken, confident and some would even say funny when he is scripted. The scripted parts are what the majority of Americans see. That charisma will get him reelected.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:45:56 PM
Kinda reads like a campaign stump speech to me. For shame.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:47:24 PM
I freaking loved it! WTG Mr. President...but you should have been on the attack the night before so you could have cut through Mitt's bullshit right then and there.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:47:40 PM

Childish, mocking, and full of out right lies.

that's what he does. It didn't shock me, he does it all the time.


Even Stephanie Cutter admitted today that they were lying about that number.

now this shocked me. While she was on a tv show saying this, he was at a campaign rally saying MR lied about it... they don't even coordinate their lies?

she lies just as easily as BO does - and Wasserman does. well, as most all of them do.


Never heard of tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. He said that if it's true, he must need a new accountant.

If it is true he probably should get a new accountant - if it's something he could take and didn't.

One of the bz guys on Fox (maybe Eric Boling) said they had people searching for that 'law' and so far hadn't been able to find it. If you have a network full of tax accountants, lawyers etc and none of them have heard of it - or can find it - well, it really makes ya suspicious.


And if such laws exist, why didn't you bring it up during the debate when Romney said he didn't know of any laws?.

yep. He should have been ready to throw that back to RM. But he couldn't, could he? He had prime time to do it. But no, he didn't and then the next day went out and whined about it.


So Governor Romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be President, you owe the American people the truth.

wow. that was really something. He said something similar this past week too - they both shocked me.
I've come to the conclusion that this is why his followers don't believe he is the liar. He'll lie and then say something like that so they just roll over and think he's on the up and up. They can't see the forest for the trees. And they don't check it out for themselves.

It's really no different than those who hear about something that's in the Bible and carry on about how horrible it is, how horrible God must be etc. They don't check it out, don't read it (and around it) themselves. They don't look up words in the old language or compare it in light of other verses on that topic. They don't consider who is 'saying' it or who they are talking to about it etc. - like slavery in the OT. or stoning a woman for adultery, being a submissive wife etc.


Please tell me how everyone is playing by the "same rules"? Tell me how giving 90billion to certain green companies, many of which are owned by your largest donors, is fair to all the other companies out there trying to make it work? Tell me how giving Obamacare waivers to your favored Unions is playing fair? Tell me how "asking" defense contractors to BREAK THE FREAKING LAW and refrain from issuing lay off notices, playing fair?

hey - who gets to define 'fair'? he does evidently. He can make it mean anything he wants it to mean...

Why is it 'fair' to make the rich pay more taxes and those not making much money pay none? They both can receive / utilize services that are paid for with tax money, can't they?

To me that'd be like going to lunch with a friend (or relative) and always letting them pay - because they have more money than you do. I always make sure I buy the lunch a good share of the time too. If I can't afford to, I don't go - even if she offers to pay again.


This President totally reminds me of the bully that backs down when someone actually gets in his face, but then runs off at the mouth about how big and bad he is when he is surrounded by all his little bully-wanna be friends.

that hits the nail on the head! that's a bingo shouting post!

now we know why he doesn't like to answer questions from the press very often. And why when he does the answers are so weird - and long and winding. So that by the time he is done no one remembers the original question. Until later after he's gone...

That's also probably why Stephanopolous is often the one who 'interviews' him. They're long time buddies - he asks softball questions or questions BO approved in advance.


yes, he's a real disgrace. Even people in other countries (and their press) question him and his abilities. And why Americans tolerate it.


btw - it was estimated that there'd be 113,000 jobs created and it'd be 8.2% unemployment.

but it was 114,000 jobs created and 7.8% unemployment.

these guys deal with these figures every day - so it shouldn't take them long to figure out what's wrong with these numbers.


I just read this in an article today about the unemployment #s - re: countering an ad out by MR

"Obama's team countered with an ad targeting Romney's tax plan, accusing him of planning to raise taxes on the middle class. The ad was airing in seven battleground states."

I hear BO and his people saying that - but not RR.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:52:25 PM
I don't think he will be re-elected at all...I haven't talked to a single person who voted for McCain that is now voting for Obama. I have talked to quite a few who voted for Obama who will not do it again. I don't think the polls are showing the true state of the race and I think the Obama team knows this and is running scared. Remember when Carter was so far ahead in the polls and he lost by a landslide. I think the same thing is going to happen this year.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:53:05 PM

I freaking loved it! WTG Mr. President...but you should have been on the attack the night before so you could have cut through Mitt's bullshit right then and there.


He couldn't do that kristina - then Romney would have been there to point out the lies. This stuff only plays well when the people you're talking to don't know that you're yet again saying the stuff the factcheckers have already called "misleading" and given you 3 pinnocchios for.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:00:52 PM

freaking loved it! WTG Mr. President...but you should have been on the attack the night before so you could have cut through Mitt's bullshit right then and there.





Meh, whether it was strategy or whether he actually underperformed at the debate doesn't make any difference to me. I kind of like the way it is shaking out. MR walked all the way back to the center on live national TV and won the debate on THOSE position statements.

I kind of predicted Obama and the ad campaign would subsequently hit him hard on his debate positions and they have. I expect the rest of the work to be done by Joe Biden next week. If he plays his cards right, Obama does not have to get his hands too dirty on the debate stage.

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Meh, whether it was strategy or whether he actually underperformed at the debate doesn't make any difference to me. I kind of like the way it is shaking out. MR walked all the way back to the center on live national TV and won the debate on THOSE position statements.

I kind of predicted Obama and the ad campaign would subsequently hit him hard on his debate positions and they have. I expect the rest of the work to be done by Joe Biden next week. If he plays his cards right, Obama does not have to get his hands too dirty on the debate stage


wren - my take away from watching the debate after the fact and knowing what a poor performance the President put in was him furiously taking notes on all the bullshit/flip-flopping and lies that Mitt was putting out there, some for the 1st time that he and his campaign could use with the war chest he has. I'm surprised he could write that fast.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:11:49 PM
1.) I've always thought President Obama sounds like a snotty pedantic smart aleck.

2.) Why would he need to write anything down for use later? I feel sure the debate is DVR'd somewhere in the White House.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:21:15 PM
But was he wearing flip-flops?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:22:36 PM
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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:22:51 PM
2). That was what I call sarcasm. Sorry you missed it.

Of course, the WH has a tape of it. Maybe he just needed to look like he was doing writing notes rather than given Mitt the "Are you fu*king crazy, where in the hell did that come from because it sure isn't what you've been going around the country spewing" incredulous look. Personally I wish he had done that.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:27:01 PM

Obama never ceases to amaze me. Just when I think he can't stoop lower, he does.
Did anyone pay attention to his speech he gave yesterday after the debate?
Childish, mocking, and full of out right lies.

Yes. It's quite cowardly behavior. Obama can't hack talking directly to Romney, so he goes in front of his supporters to guffaw.

No wonder foreign relations is in such a mess.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:27:55 PM
How do you really feel? I guess you'd better not vote for him if you feel he is so unpresidential.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:31:34 PM


1 - How is it helpful to be so condescending? How can anyone stomach this behavior from the POTUS?

The only people that do are just like him.



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Before voting, read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy

Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

There are actual disasters that deserve far more of our time and attention.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:31:46 PM
Sarcasm to sarcasm.
Sorry you missed it.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:33:42 PM
"I don't think he will be re-elected at all...I haven't talked to a single person who voted for McCain that is now voting for Obama. I have talked to quite a few who voted for Obama who will not do it again. I don't think the polls are showing the true state of the race and I think the Obama team knows this and is running scared. Remember when Carter was so far ahead in the polls and he lost by a landslide. I think the same thing is going to happen this year. "


Well I for one certaintly hope you're wrong.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:35:51 PM

1 - How is it helpful to be so condescending? How can anyone stomach this behavior from the POTUS?


The only people that do are just like him.



Why would you say something like this?

So, because I like and respect the President, I must be a condescending asshole...?

Thanks.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:39:02 PM
To me, it looked as if President Obama was using the time during the debate to do other work. It didn't look like he was paying any attention to what Mitt was saying.

To quote Samuel L., I hope President Obama "Wakes the F@ck Up!" during the next debate and doesn't allo Mitt to go unchallenged when he is telling his lies.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:46:42 PM

I freaking loved it! WTG Mr. President...but you should have been on the attack the night before so you could have cut through Mitt's bullshit right then and there.
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He couldn't do that kristina - then Romney would have been there to point out the lies. This stuff only plays well when the people you're talking to don't know that you're yet again saying the stuff the factcheckers have already called "misleading" and given you 3 pinnocchios for.

I agree.


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Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

There are actual disasters that deserve far more of our time and attention.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:53:42 PM

1 - How is it helpful to be so condescending? How can anyone stomach this behavior from the POTUS?
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The only people that do are just like him.
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Why would you say something like this?
So, because I like and respect the President, I must be a condescending asshole...?
Thanks.

I didn't even come close to saying that that respecting the President makes someone condescending.

The only people who can stomach condescending behavior are those who also use condescending behavior, respect has nothing to do with it, in fact, Obama's behavior shows a profound lack of respect for Romney.



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Before voting, read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy

Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

There are actual disasters that deserve far more of our time and attention.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:55:21 PM

I'm surprised he could write that fast






I think he was trying to come up with the next big idea for his stump speeches and then inexplicably he heard the name "Big Bird" and had a lightbulb moment. His next line read "Vulture capitalist has Big Bird in his sights". And then he couldn't stop scribbling away and had to keep his head down to conceal his amusement.

And I hear that Big Bird turned up with a placard at a Mitt Romney rally today.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:15:04 PM

I didn't even come close to saying that that respecting the President makes someone condescending.

The only people who can stomach condescending behavior are those who also use condescending behavior, respect has nothing to do with it, in fact, Obama's behavior shows a profound lack of respect for Romney.


Eh, you're right. I guess I don't consider the transcript particularly condescending, but I admit I didn't hear the speech...

I jumped into the fray prematurely. I blame it on my crappy day.

Carry on!


Kryssy


I behold you riding with my love throughout the town,
And I bite my thumb at you.
Methinks the ducats in my purse are sorely lacking,
And I bite my thumb at you
And at her, too.
Were I but richer, I would be her suitor
Is this not a patent fact?
Though it pains me to the quick, I will salute her still
The aforementioned way: I bite my thumb.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:19:45 PM
Do you froth and snarl this much over other politicians?
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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:24:45 PM

That was sarcasm too....well, except for the wishing he had done it.



The child part of me wishes he'd done the Jon Stewart thing of looking at his watch and yelling "liar, liar liar " for a full two minutes.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:26:46 PM

And I hear that Big Bird turned up with a placard at a Mitt Romney rally today.


See my siggy photo.





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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:26:53 PM
Oh my. That's what's got you peeved? These indignant posts crack me up. I just don't see how they are any more helpful than what you claim to be is condescending behavior from the President. It's a pot meet kettle situation.

He's full of lies. Romney is full of lies. I feel bad for the undecideds. I really do. I don't know how these people will make up their minds by the deadline.



OK. Newbie. This is how it works. If your post consists of 80% sanity, 10% stupidity and 10% all kinds of crazy, we immediately focus on the 20% b/c it discredits the 80%.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:33:05 PM

See my siggy photo



I have them turned off so I'll have to take a peek for a minute.

I normally am not a bumper sticker person, but I'd love one I saw the other day: "Occupy Wall St. not Sesame St."



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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:35:22 PM
I have never posted on this board, but I do come online almost daily to read, and I especially enjoy all the political posts.

I've got to post now, though, and say to Lynlam that your post was simply awesome!! Could not have said it better myself !! Obama is acting like a childish bully, and I for one will be so glad to restore class to our White House.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:43:31 PM

I know both sides spend lots of time preparing but cheating?

the left accused Bush of being wired in one of his debates. Supposedly so that someone could 'feed' him the answers to questions. lol!


So the President didn't lie but Mitt Romney did choose to twist the statement that was made.

yes he did. the deduction isn't a separate law for moving a bz overseas. It's just plan 'ol 'moving it'. Any bz moving can get it.

BO said - 'Right now you can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.'

Then BO should have just said 'for moving a plant'. Where it is moved doesn't matter.

That was probably when bo was seen with a smirk on his face.

from the article -

"They are both techincally correct," he said. "There is no specific break for moving offshore, but you get the benefit of a deduction as any company would if they moved down the street."

The issue actually involves a relatively small amount of money.

Prohibiting the deductibility of expenses for overseas moves would save $168 million from 2012-2022, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation's costs estimates for the Bring Jobs Home Act. That means the tax break only funnels about $15 million a year to U.S. companies.



I don't think the polls are showing the true state of the race and I think the Obama team knows this and is running scared.

they aren't. That's why the DOJ has contacted at least 2 of the pollsters when they had MR ahead of BO. They didn't want them showing RM ahead.


MR walked all the way back to the center on live national TV and won the debate on THOSE position statements.

again, he didn't say anything or 'move' anywhere that he hasn't said in a rally speech that would put him in a different position.


I expect the rest of the work to be done by Joe Biden next week.

ah, he's busy blowing the whistle on the BO admin about the TAX INCREASE they plan...1 T $s


was him furiously taking notes on all the bullshit/flip-flopping and lies that Mitt was putting out there, some for the 1st time that he and his campaign could use with the war chest he has.

because that was his job?


war chest ??? what? I thought he was behind in raising money? All those ads (and rally comments) about rich right donors sending in 10M $ checks to RM. so another lie by BO. I already posted for the left not to worry about him running out of money - Soros would be sending in more.

and asking people to send him their BD money, their wedding gift money etc.

just more lies.





"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
- President Theodore Roosevelt

On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:

"That henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning."

Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."

Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:

"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:50:40 PM

Eh, you're right. I guess I don't consider the transcript particularly condescending, but I admit I didn't hear the speech...
I jumped into the fray prematurely. I blame it on my crappy day.
Carry on!

Sorry you had a crappy day.
Here's the video of the speech if you want to watch it.

http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/EventinDe



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And Obama blames a fake video.

Disgusting.




______________________________________________________________________________

Before voting, read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics: A Common Sense Guide to the Economy

Global warming brings prosperity, population growth, and relatively good health, as disasters go, it's the one we should pray for.
What is the worst that could happen? 1. It might end. 2. The ice caps might melt entirely.
But the True Believers would have us plunge ourselves into global poverty by breaking down the great world economic system in order to prevent a "disaster" that people in 1500 would have prayed for.

There are actual disasters that deserve far more of our time and attention.




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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:18:53 PM
I love that quote. The President was spot on.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:29:57 PM

So the President didn't lie but Mitt Romney did choose to twist the statement that was made.
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yes he did. the deduction isn't a separate law for moving a bz overseas. It's just plan 'ol 'moving it'. Any bz moving can get it.

BO said - 'Right now you can actually take a deduction for moving a plant overseas.'

Then BO should have just said 'for moving a plant'. Where it is moved doesn't matter.




You are really contradicting yourself skybar.

When did the President say it was a separate law?

No the President didn't lie - companies can receive deductions for relocating which includes re-locating overseas which is what he actually said. Why should he have said " for moving a plant"?

He wasn't referring to the deduction in it's entirety otherwise he wouldn't have singled out the overseas element.He doesn't think it's fair that companies should receive that deduction for re-locating overseas as per the " Bring jobs back home act"

Why should it be fair for companies to receive this deduction to re-locate overseas when the US need these businesses to stay in the US to contribute to it's ecomonic growth and for job creation?

For Mitt Romney to deny the existance of the deduction was wrong as he knows full well that the deduction exists at the present time for all businesses which includes companies re-locating overseas.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 8:40:10 PM

I don't think the polls are showing the true state of the race and I think the Obama team knows this and is running scared.


I agree.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:29:48 PM
I hate politics in general.Neither Obama nor Romney are perfect...That being said,I sure as hell would rather have Obama re-elected than have that corrupt Republican be "in charge"!!!

That,to me, is truly a scary future!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:33:38 PM
Desperate times call for desperate measures. Thank goodness Obama will be packing and on his way out come January.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:40:38 PM
don't be so sure that obama will be out in january. we were all sure that the bungling moron bush wouldnt have a second term...bush was not only the worst president in history but perhaps the dumbest person ever on television.
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