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AncestralPea

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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:57:23 AM
In the past two days our local news has been talking about two potential union strikes -

In the City of Philadelpha, city workers

City workers protest at Mayor Nutter's house

In the State (actually Commonwealth of PA), Pennsylvania college educators
Pennsylvania state educators take vote to strike

I think it is interesting that they waited until after, or more specifically just right after the election to strike.

Labor leaders met with the President this week to dicuss US tax policy but where is the shared effort between labor, industry and government to keep up from sailing off the fiscal cliff?

Anything going on in your local area?

Edited to add that there is a Hostess plant in Northeast Philadelphia

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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:00:32 AM
Okay, I can't get past, Mayor Nutter. Is that name for real?


Haven't heard of any strikes being planned around here, but I will check out the local news sources and see if anything is planned. I did hear that Wal Mart workers were wanting to strike in opposition to the earlier hours for Black Friday sales.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:02:17 AM
There has been some strike activity in my state through the summer. As far as the president meeting with labor, I think that they are an important part of the solution to our economic problems. He will also be meeting with business leaders. Can't remember when that will be happening...Maybe it already has.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:02:24 AM
The nationwide Hostess strike affects the Seattle plant. The strike didn't just start, but the business liquidating due to it is happening now.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:06:06 AM
The Hostess strike is the one I have been hearing a lot about. It is the bakers that are on strike. They already officially closed 3 of their bakeries in part due to the strike putting about 600 out of work. Hostess has told the union they have until 4pm CT today to get enough people back to work or they file with the Bankruptcy court for liquidation tomorrow. They can try to sell but there is a very short list of companies to potentially buy. Even the teamsters union (the largest union and not the one on strike) has said that based on their research of the company financials, Hostess cannot survive any serious labor disruption.

***ETA looks like others were posting about Hostess while I was typing.

Also, a liquidation will affect 18,000 workers and can start as early as Tuesday. They have already filed for a hearing for Monday for the liquidation motion they will file on Friday.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:07:25 AM

Okay, I can't get past, Mayor Nutter. Is that name for real?


Yes, that is his real name! You may have seen him speak at the DNC convention. I think he is an up and coming leader in the Democratic party.

As most of you know who read these threads know I am an "R" but I think Mayor Nutter is a doing a good job as Mayor of Philadelphia. There has been some local talk as of late that the President could have a position for him in Washington.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:12:04 AM
I agree, I am really impressed with Mayor Nutter (Sooo much better than Mayor Street).

This morning the news mentioned a possible US Air flight attendants strike. I didn't hear the whole story.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 10:22:22 AM
Raley's grocery store but they just reached agreement.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:42:06 PM
Looks like the 5,000 bakery union members are digging in their heels and will not go back to work. Tomorrow, Hostess will file in Bankruptcy court to liquidate and have already asked for a hearing on this motion on Monday. Almost 18,000 workers might be out of a job beginning Tuesday.

They can try to sell and some of these people could be rehired by a purchasing company. I wonder how long that will take? Surely someone will want to keep Twinkies around. If someone else buys them, I guess the new company will make them job offers at whatever their going payrate is. Do the employees lose all of their seniority? After all, seniority is everything in the unions.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:02:46 PM
The Hostess dispute has been going on for ages. It was being reported maybe a year ago that it would lead to barnkruptcy.

Nothing to do with the election.

Perhaps.






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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:08:23 PM

Nothing to do with the election.

Who said it had anything to do with the election?

It does have to do with another union that will not make concessions to help keep a company afloat.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:13:36 PM
Can't they just do a bankruptcy and then fire everyone and start over with no union? I thought they were going to do that with other big companies - some sort of reorganization thing and they could get rid of the unions.

I would really hate to see Hostess go away. I hadn't heard about it so went out and bought a package of Ding Dongs and powdered sugar donuts - haven't had them in years but figured since it might be a while if not forever I would get some.

I just don't get the unions today I can understand back before there were so many laws in place that people needed protection but now I just don't see it.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:26:25 PM

Can't they just do a bankruptcy and then fire everyone and start over with no union? I thought they were going to do that with other big companies - some sort of reorganization thing and they could get rid of the unions.

They are already under bankruptcy. They will be going to the bankruptcy court tomorrow to file the motion for liquidation. I'm not sure how it works as far as just firing everyone and hiring new people without a union.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:46:34 PM
Seems our school teachers are threatening to strike all over around me. We just had our neighboring district come to a tentative agreement this week.
I can say as a parent who has talked to other parents we did not have much sympathy for the striking teachers. Kinda a bunch of spoiled babies mentality.
There are people around here who still worked 5 years without a contract or a pay raise in other industries. Taking pay cuts etc...Times are tough for everyone. But to scream since their contract was up in feb. This should have been settled before school started.
There was not a lot of support for the teacher on this one that I saw from the general public.
This district is in a very nice area so we are not talking an impoverished children or teachers pay\workplace by any means.
I heard of another district around here that is gearing up. Cant remember which one.

District 304

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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:49:29 PM

Who said it had anything to do with the election?





Try reading the OP again.









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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:54:06 PM
Where there's that pesky AA problem here. It's been on going, but no ones really giving in. I'm sad to hear about Hostess, but if the union gives in, they'll be forced to give in at other places as well. I going to miss my twinkles.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 8:09:08 PM
Ever since Chicago public school teachers went on strike it seems like other schools are following. At least 4-5 that I know of have gone on strike since.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:12:11 PM

Who said it had anything to do with the election?




Try reading the OP again.


I did. She said the following:


Labor leaders met with the President this week to dicuss US tax policy but where is the shared effort between labor, industry and government to keep up from sailing off the fiscal cliff?


There is nothing there that says this strike and shut down has anything to with "With this election". She said labor leaders met with the president and they did. That doesn't mean anyone is saying this has to do with "this election". Obama does pander to the labor unions. He always has and I'm sure he always will.





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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:27:53 PM
Oh dear.

Now try reading it a third time.

All of it.

This time, try not to avoid reading the parts that say "I think it is interesting that they waited until after, or more specifically just right after the election to strike." & "Edited to add that there is a Hostess plant in Northeast Philadelphia".


And this,

Obama does pander to the labor unions. He always has and I'm sure he always will.


Obama did meet with labor leaders this week. And the following day he also met with business and industry leaders. I suppose according to your logic, that means he also panders to them?
















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Posted: 11/15/2012 9:49:58 PM
Hostess Bakery strike - really people, you should read more than the headlines or what the company is putting out there before you make any comments especially when you don`t know what you are talking about.

All of Hostess Brands is not on strike, the BCTGM union bakers are. The three plants the company claims they closed this week due to the strike and because they didn`t have enough non-striking employees to run it is false, these plants were already on the list to close for the companys restructuring months ago.

Hostess Brands has been in bankruptcy twice since 2004. The first time union employees were asked to make consessions they all took pay cuts, paid more for their insurance, gave up their paid sick days and more.
During this time management continued to get raises and bonuses.

Hostess was able to get out of bankruptcy in 2009 with cash from a private equity firm and union employees agreement to keep the concessions they agreed to in 2004. Contiuned mismanagement and CEO's making millions for themselves instead of updating their plants and fleets to keep them competitive, led to filing for bankruptcy again this year. Hostess again blaming the high costs of union pensions and high cost of insurance for their money problems, even though they quit contributing to the union pension funds last year, and the union employees were still working under the concessions from the first bankruptcy. Also Hostess executives including the then CEO gave themselves 80% pay raises just weeks before filing chapter 11.

So yet again Hostess asks the unions to make concessions and YES the union workers were willing to, just to keep their jobs. Hostess asked for more pay cuts, employees would pay more for their insurance, no more company contributions for their pensions,had to wait umtil you are 65 to collect pension, no over time pay if you worked over 8 hours, no pay increases for 3 -5 years depending on your contract, plants were to close to save money. Most employees realized the end was near for a lot of them, the company was replacing transport drivers with temps. , saleman were losing stops to 3rd party distributors ... bakeries were scheduled to close, and Merita label was for sale.

Teamsters did vote for the new concessions, why? who knows maybe because their pay rate is higher than BCTGM, maybe because their areas would not be effected by plants and a label being sold. BCTGM did vote down the concessions by 92%, they did try to work with Hostess they wanted to keep their jobs but with the cuts in pay and increase in insurance and no contribution to pensions these workers were looking at a 37% weekly cut in their pay. Most of them couldn't feed their families and keep their houses and cars with that cut. They know this because quite a few were just recovering from when they had to take cuts before and lost their cars and homes.

You see sometimes it is corporate greed not the big bad unions ruining this country, most union members are not the greedy SOB`s that certain people try to make them out to be, actually most of the union people are long term employees who just want to make a living and take care of their familes and retire with a decent pension.

Sorry this got so long just wanted to show that there are two sides and I will admit and as you probably figured out DH is a BCTGM member (he is not a baker and not on strike) who has put in 28 years with American Bakeries/IBC/Hostess Brands. He would have been able to retire in 2 years but he works for the division that they were told months ago was going to be sold and they have already been told new buyer probably won`t hire them as they have their own employees.

So you see strike or no strike, union or non union this was going to happen anyway - some Hostess workers were going to lose their jobs, the company has chosen to make it look like the unions are at fault but the closing and liquidation has been in the plan all along.

ETA - Hostess employees, Union and Non Union incuding Management have been getting WARN letters every month since June.
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