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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:29:15 PM
Just putting this info out there - I know a lot of us have the decision on whether or not to vaccinate our teens coming up, and i feel the more info, the better. My naturopath shared this on Facebook.

Dr Mercola shares serious Gardasil concerns


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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:37:06 PM
This vaccine was offered to my ds last year at his physical (when he was 12) and I declined it.

I don't feel comfortable with so many debates going on about this one.

I'm by no means a parent that is 'anti vaccination' in any way. All 3 of my kids have had all their scheduled vaccines when they've been recommended and in the recommended doses.

Gardasil just makes me uneasy, for some reason.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:48:54 PM
I'm all for vaccines but, this one was pushed to hard and fast for comfort.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:53:24 PM

'm all for vaccines but, this one was pushed to hard and fast for comfort.


I agree. There just wasn't enough history for me to get on board.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:55:00 PM
Glad we declined it for our girls.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:04:22 PM
My doctor has been trying to get me to do the Gardasil vaccine (for myself, no kids) for the last few years. I always decline because it was so new I was uncomfortable with it. I always laughingly tell him I'll wait ten years for them to find out it causes some horrible disease and fix it, then I'll take it. I am not surprised at the article.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:05:28 PM
As it stands right now, this is one that we will be skipping for our kids. Who are currently 3, 2, and unborn. And I am about as pro-vaccination as it comes.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:05:31 PM
I'm not taking a position on Gardasil, but I think it's important to point out that this Dr. Mercola, among other things, is a leader in the anti-vaccination movement. Of course he's not going to recommend Gardasil and is going to have concerns about it.

It seems as if he certainly has some views that I agree with, but I'm reluctant to take his word without considering a variety of sources.

I thought this article was interesting and worth reading.

Dr. Mercola: Visionary or Quack?


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:07:57 PM
That's a good point, Jill...but I still am not comfortable with brand new vaccines.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:12:04 PM
Fair enough, Kristen, and I don't disagree with you. However, this could be potentially very misleading information because of the questionable source. This guy makes a living out of fearmongering about vaccines.

I myself need to read through it more carefully and do more research to determine if he's on target. I'd like to see those studies for myself and/or hear some viewpoints from others in the medical profession.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:24:40 PM
We refused it for our girls. Our doc in TX also refused it for her girls, and we just found out that our new doc in NC refused it for her girls also.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:25:20 PM

However, this could be potentially very misleading information because of the questionable source.


While he is reporting the findings in this article and giving his opinion, the studies were not done by him. Data is straight from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, and the studies were performed at the University of British Columbia, a world leader in medical research.


I'm by no means a parent that is 'anti vaccination' in any way. All 3 of my kids have had all their scheduled vaccines when they've been recommended and in the recommended doses.

Gardasil just makes me uneasy, for some reason.


This is how I feel too, and have declined so far for my teen girl.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:28:56 PM
Laurie, I agree that it would be very worthwhile to look at those studies. I'm interested in what they truly say. I'd rather either see them for myself or see an analysis put together by other sources than this Dr. Mercola guy, given his tendency to cherry-pick studies to suit his already-held viewpoints.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:39:53 PM
i thought that whole gardasil mess was fishy from the get-go..funny how gardasils mfg...MERCK was a big financial supporter of Perry's campaign....he signed that order for financial gain and financial gain only,,don't think for one minute that man gives a rat's ass what happens to anyone who has had the vaccine. I also declined it for my two girls, and my pediatrician is an old school man who said he was also not comfortable with it, and we even joked about them coming out with a male version of it, because there was another whole market to tap into, and low and behold,,,,now they have a gardisil for boys,,,,I would never allow a politician to decide what poison will be injected into my children.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:40:02 PM
Here's another article with more quotes from the researchers.
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and it contains a link to the actual research article studying two deaths. The research is being reported in many publications.

Extract:

Shaw and Tomljenovic, meanwhile, want the potential for adverse reactions to be acknowledged. "We dont give medical advice; we're not medical doctors," Shaw says. "But if people recommend this vaccine, at least recognize there may be significant adverse reactions. Then people can make an informed choice. Informed consent is something UBC believes in and the Canadian Medical Association believes in."

The two are aware of the controversy that surrounds vaccines in general and emphasize that they are not antivaccine. But they can't help but wonder whether their findings will be brushed aside simply because the topic is so heated.

"Science evolves by constantly probing and questioning," Shaw says. "We don't make policy, but we think; there are certainly more questions to be asked and more experiments to be done. The issue is not a slam-dunk; it's not over. In science, the debate is never over."




ETA: Anyways, I know there are parents looking for information periodically, and doctors are sometimes not even aware of every research study, so I thought I'd post it, that's all.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:41:39 PM
I am very pro-vaccination, and my DS (age 8) has all his, but even so I'm glad there's going to be a few years more research between now and when we need to decide for him.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:41:42 PM

Introducing a relatively new vaccine originally developed for girls to boys during puberty?


No kidding! That didn't sit well with me either. All of our kids had their regularly scheduled vaccines, but this one made me nervous. We declined it for all.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:53:41 PM
I feel comfortable in being the lone wolf saying that my husband and I (both health care professionals) have had our daughter vaccinated. Educate yourself, discuss it with your primary health care provider and go from there. If you aren't comfortable don't do it. Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet - that goes for both the pros and cons.

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I feel comfortable in being the lone wolf saying that my husband and I (both health care professionals) have had our daughter vaccinated. Educate yourself, discuss it with your primary health care provider and go from there. If you aren't comfortable don't do it. Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet - that goes for both the pros and cons.


ITA. As a mother with a husband in the medical field, we have had discussions with several doctor friends and our own pediatrician on the benefits vs risks of Gardasil, and I have not had even one of my trusted friends and physicians advise me not to get it. They all say they would and have given it to their own kids, and I trust their opinion more than anonymous internet hysteria. But everyone needs to decide for themselves. My boys have not gotten it yet, but most likely will.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:11:15 PM
So glad I didn't have the dr give it to ds on his 12 year visit. Told dr I wanted to think about it. Didn't actually read the article posted here, but glad to see other parents are wary of it like me and that I'm not just being weird about it.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:20:18 PM
My girls are now 18 and 16 and we declined it as well. They are up to date on all other recommended vaccines.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:27:31 PM
My daughter had it and we are getting ready to start the series for my son too. My children's ped strongly recommended it, a very good friend of mine who is a physician agreed and my own doc also agreed. I trust them and I personally know WAY too many who have suffered from HPV. As a matter of fact, one of my best friends died 5 years ago from cervical cancer. But I was also one of the first to get my kids the chicken pox vaccine so take my opinion for what it is worth.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:36:49 PM
We discussed it with our teen and let him make the choice. He says he will get it. I do not distrust the vaccine and it does have health benefits for boys aside from preventing the transmission of HPV to a partner. He is due for the first shot in April and we have encouraged hm to read about the controversy and decide for himself. So he has a bit of time to change his mind.


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I feel comfortable in being the lone wolf saying that my husband and I (both health care professionals) have had our daughter vaccinated. Educate yourself, discuss it with your primary health care provider and go from there. If you aren't comfortable don't do it. Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet - that goes for both the pros and cons.


Ditto. Word for word.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:40:26 PM
VIrginia, how old is your DS? Mine is almost 15 and the Dr. brought it up, so I am debating. Just haven't had time to review pros and cons.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:45:54 PM
DS is fifteen. He is due for a couple of boosters on his 16th birthday in April so he has opted to get them and the Gardasil then.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 4:06:12 PM

I'm all for vaccines but, this one was pushed to hard and fast for comfort.


I agree. I haven't read the link you provided yet, but I've always felt this way. I'm glad that my girls are too young for the vaccine, but my neice has had it and it concerns me greatly for her.

And I'm one who does all the normal vaccines on schedule too. This one just didn't feel right, like they didn't have enough time to test it out to see how it would effect those getting it in the long run.








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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:06:18 PM
I hadn't thought about this in some time, we are in the time frame to consider it. I just pulled a bunch of journal articles, because I have access to them through the university.

I wonder though, those of you who are against it, but have done all other vaccines, why?

Did you do any comparison to see what the rate of side effects are for those, and how they compare to the rates in Gardisil? Is it because it's new so you don't trust it on that alone?
I'm genuinely curious how you came to those conclusions.

It feels an awful lot like "It causes autism!" hysteria to me that isn't backed up by anything real. And I have to wonder at it. I'm just not a fan of "gut feeling" on things of this nature.

Like I said, I have not done my research, but have pulled about half a dozen articles already in a brief google scholar search.

So I do appreciate the heads up to do my homework.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:14:47 PM
Frankly, I"m not a fan of most of the current medical treatment that is going on now. It's so hard to know who to trust in these matters as there is a study to say whatever you may want it to say. However, I look around and see more disease, more infertility and more pain management issues than ever before and have to ask myself how much of that is actually being created by a medical industry out of control.

I would never assume the individual medical professionals are to blame, far from it, but I think they are just as susceptible to misinformation as anyone and perhaps more so as their livelihood depends upon working within the industry.

We denied it for our children.



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My kids will not be getting this vaccine.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 5:55:00 PM
Hey everyone - there is a vaccine against polio! Chicken Pox! Cancer!

Yes. All 3 of my kids have had it (my son in is the middle of his shots) and I think it's wonderful.

Every time a new anything comes out people are concerned. Not wrongly, IMO, but also not necessarily rightly. My doctor is extraordinary and she actively encourages this one. Her judgement is better than mine in this case.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:02:09 PM
it's not a cancer vaccine.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:06:53 PM
Our Ped. Recommended against it and said he wouldn't vaccinate his child with it
We chose not to.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:11:18 PM
Dr. Christiane Northrup has written several articles about garadsil and she is not a supporter. She is a gynocologist who writes and speaks about women's health issues.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:17:00 PM
I work in a pediatric office with 5 Doctors. They ALL not only recommend it but have given it to their OWN children.
These are not uneducated individuals. They are medical professionals who stay abreast of the latest medical research. If they had any doubts I am sure they would not have given it to their very own teenage children.

My dd had all 3 shots now and no side effects, no problems. I don't know how many we have given in the office (tons) and have never had any issues.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:29:30 PM

it's not a cancer vaccine.
Exactly!

That is one of the things I have a real problem with when it comes to the promotion of Gardasil. It has been sold as a 'cancer vaccine' and that is very misleading.

The fact that they have mislead the public makes me wonder what they are hiding, or why the want to distract us about this vaccine.

I very, very pro vaccine. However this one seems sketchy.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 6:38:43 PM
In our school board it is offered to girls in grade 8. My dd is in grade 8 this year. My initial reaction to this was to say no although her ped recommended it. I did a TON of research and after weighing all the pros and cons I did sign the permission form for her to receive it.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:19:03 PM
My oldest has received all 3 injections and my youngest son has had 2 of the 3 in the series. My daughters will receive the series as well when they are old enough. I am a nurse if that matters.....


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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:48:50 PM

I'm all for vaccines but, this one was pushed to hard and fast for comfort.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 7:59:13 PM

I feel comfortable in being the lone wolf saying that my husband and I (both health care professionals) have had our daughter vaccinated. Educate yourself, discuss it with your primary health care provider and go from there. If you aren't comfortable don't do it. Also, don't believe everything you read on the internet - that goes for both the pros and cons.
Move over....I'm sitting with you. I've had many discussions with my pediatrician about this one. A couple of years ago, he advised me to wait, since more research was coming in. This summer I talked to him again and he advised me to go ahead- he's satisfied with the research and information at hand. He's started giving the vaccine to boys and girls this fall. I plan to have DD vaccinated and I feel completely comfortable with my pediatrician's recommendation.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:48:30 PM
There is new information coming out about this vaccine. Here is some of it:

Gardasil/breast cancer

Reduction of HPV

I will be asking our Dr about getting both my DSs vaccinated.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:52:45 PM
I don't think anyone said here it was a cancer vaccine. It works to prevent HPV which is a leading cause of cervical cancer. But, no it isn't going to cure lung cancer or cure cervical cancer. It will reduce exposure to HPV which can cause cervical cancer.



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Posted: 11/16/2012 1:52:15 AM
I told the nurses I didn't want my dd to get the hpv shot. I signed the consent form for the other vaccines (tetanus, etc) and they gave her the Gardisil anyways! Apparently the consent is a "blanket" consent and didn't specify which shots I consented to! I didn't get the 2nd or 3rd shots and the nurses insist that it is not harmful to have only received 1/3 of the recommended shots.

They came in and just started giving her shots and I realized that one of them said HPV right on it. I was furious.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 5:43:04 AM
I'm fine with the vaccine. My girls have had it. I'm not into the conspiracy theory thing and Dr. Mercola sounds like a quack. My best friend had to have a total hysterectomy due to cervical cancer spreading to the uterus- she was in her 20's, it sucked, no children for her. HPV is just way too common.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 5:58:02 AM
All my doctors told me their teenagers have been given this vaccine. I gave it to dd a few years ago.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 7:17:51 AM
As a cervical cancer survivor, I strongly encourage everyone to do a LOT of research before they jump to a decision to not get the vaccine. I was lucky in that my dysplasia didn't develop into cancer until after my children were born. Many are not so lucky. Sterility is forever. If you do chose to not vaccinate your teen, PLEASE be sure to strongly educate them about HPV, how easily it is transmitted, and the devastating effects that it can have.


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Posted: 11/16/2012 10:29:35 AM
Here's the thing that gets me about these things. There is continually new information coming out from the medical world. The problem is that it frequently contradicts with previous info. Or info will come out for something, then a few years later against, then a few years later for. The information that is out there is very difficult to rely upon because it is indeterminate how much of it is biased according to a major money making corporations wishes/marketing strategies.

I'm in favor of allowing a well designed body to grow and develop it's own immunity. To concentrate on emotional, physical and spiritual health in my family and at times, when there aren't other options, to use medical intervention.

I feel like the society we live in treats the medical field a bit like they are God. Not only that, but if you don't agree, in many cases you are treated like a pariah as a result because clearly you are ignorant if you don't do what everyone else is doing. No thanks.



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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:17:23 PM
My pediatrician gave it to both her daughter & son. I waited, but decided to have DD (age 15) get it this year.

My mom has followed Dr Mercola for years & I think he's a quack.

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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:31:11 PM
Both of my DDs had it even when for DD#1 it was not covered by the government as it was for DD#2. I chose to do so because their doctor recommended it more to prevent hpv related diseases, other than cervical cancer which is very slow growing and usually caught with regular pap smears.

She said the number of young adukt women she treats foe things like genital warts, etc etc is scary and even a condom is not guaranteed protection against many STIs.....

Then a few weeks ago I was in a doctor's office and there were several posters on the wall in the exam room. One was photos of different hpv related disease like genital warts, etc..i totally needed eye bleach

I'm glad they're both protected against this..

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Posted: 11/16/2012 6:35:29 PM
Virginia, thanks for the info. I spoke to DS and he thinks he will get it. We discussed the known pros and cons.


Lisa D.J.

Canon 7D:70-200mm f/2.8L:85mm f/1.8:60mm macro and PSCS5

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