Since we are talking about Judaism today, can I ask a question about keeping kosher?
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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:05:52 PM
DS16 has been friendly with a boy from school who is Jewish. He is on a very strict diet (that's probably not the right terminology). He can only eat kosher foods, and can not eat anything prepared in my kitchen since it is not kosher. I can't warm him up anything in our microwave and I don't even think he can use our flatware. Once they were able to warm up a super pretzel lining a frying pan with foil...

I really like this boy, and I'm glad to have him spend time at our home, but I feel badly that he is a teenager and probably starving half the time. I want him to feel welcome. So far I only know of one variation of Nature Valley granola bars that he can eat.

I know that there are different symbols that I could look for when I'm grocery shopping, but there are several symbols and they are never in the same place. Does anyone have a short list of things I could keep in the pantry that are "Archie approved"

Thanks!

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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:09:42 PM
I know that the easiest thing to do is ask HIM, but I have, and I think he is too polite to answer me. He doesn't seem like he would want anyone to fuss over him...

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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:10:57 PM
It's not that simple...it's a very long-standing tradition that requires a lot of forethought and planning. You will probably need to have a sit-down with his family about his eating habits, and perhaps they can have him bring approved food items with him to your house.

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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:44:24 PM
For flatware, an easy solution is disposable flatware.

Fresh fruit and fresh veggies (uncut) are an easy way to go as well.



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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:54:08 PM
Kelpea, thanks. I don't see a convo with his parents happening unfortunately. I have suggested him bringing his own food to DS, but I think DS is too embarrassed to tell him that/thinks it will be an awkward convo.

Melissa, fruits and veggies are easy, but can they be refrigerated? Do I need to keep them in a special container if I keep them in my fridge?

I'm willing to go to buy him a container, but is it that easy? Can it just be a new container, or some approved container?

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Posted: 11/25/2012 8:59:50 PM
The containers cannot ever have been used. And according to the link, some Kosher families even have two dishwashers so that meat and dairy items never come into contact. I know you mentioned your DS is embarrassed to have the conversation, but I think keeping Kosher and honoring the guest's religious beliefs trump everything.



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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:00:28 PM
My husband's grandfather kept kosher and we have a spare fridge in our basement that we would keep food in for his visits. At the most basic level, you are keeping meat and cheese separate and all pork products away. So until he died we never put cheese or bacon in our spare fridge. If there is a kosher grocery near you, you could probably find snacks etc. there or if you have a large grocery store there is usually a kosher section. Look for foods marked parve and then keep the boxes sealed for his use only.

You're a good mom for doing this for your son, it's tough getting to know the rules, but once you get the hang of it you'll be fine.

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Posted: 11/25/2012 9:38:12 PM
I would pick up a small dorm Fridge and have a lock put on so you can keep his food in there. You can also look around for a cheap microwave. Have it set aside for his stuff only.

I have a friend with nut allergies and have set up a tub of stuff I use when she is over. I got the basic and never used them for anything beside her food. She even has dishes and silver wear in there. They are never mixed with our stuff.


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:07:01 PM
It's not this difficult! Buy snacks that are sealed until he comes over. I will find a link for you that shows the different markings you need to look for but it is SO EASY. There are so many items you buy already that are kosher and you just don't realize it.

Look for a U inside a circle. Most Entemann's items are kosher. In fact, let me find a list online of things you can buy. Hang on...


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:14:00 PM
Have papergoods available for him to use. Whole fresh fruit is perfect for him (apples, oranges, bananas) and snack foods in sealed packages that he can open (and share with your DS) once he gets there:

List of kosher frito lay foods

Oreos are kosher

list of kosher products at Trader Joes

These are some common kosher symbols you look for on packaging to let you know a product is ok.


I hope this info is helpful. Once you know what to do it's not difficult, especially since he's not living with you, but just coming to hang out for an afternoon and you are so considerate.

If you have any other questions, I will try to answer. For drinks, look for the same symbols on sodas, juice, etc. Plastic cups are fine.


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:20:21 PM

And according to the link, some Kosher families even have two dishwashers so that meat and dairy items never come into contact.
I know that our dishwasher was Kosher acceptable because it was a double dish drawer type and each drawer drained separately.



Oreos are kosher


What???? Oreos and Hebrew National Hot Dogs. You guys get all the good stuff!!!!


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:24:12 PM
Actually, when I was growing up and even into adulthood, Oreos weren't kosher b/c they were made with animal fat. So I grew up eating Sunshine brand Hydrox cookies. I never tasted an Oreo until I was married. I still have never tasted a twinkie.

Anyway, once Oreo decided to eschew animal fats and made them with vegetable fat instead, they became kosher certified and Sunshine stopped making Hydrox (what a weird name!) b/c they were obviously made to cater to the market that could not eat Oreos!

Does anyone else remember Hydrox cookies?


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:25:24 PM
Maureen-you don't need a kosher grocery or a kosher section. Trust me! We traveled 7700 miles around the US a couple summers ago and found everything we needed. Even in Iowa at the regular grocery store. I promise you!


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:28:06 PM
We had a freind who was nominally Jewish and he would bring over the odd visiting Jewish person including the odd Rabi.

And they had no issue eating at our house as long as we keep meat and dairy separate, didn't serve pork and rinsed every item with boiling water and let it air dried before using it. For more conservative individuals we sometimes would pull out a separate dinner service, But I don't ever remember having to line a pan with tin foil.

Just how strict is his family?

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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:32:50 PM
Can I ask another Kosher (I think) food related question?

Are Half Sours (as in pickles) something that are uniquely Jewish? I only ask because I cannot for the life of me find them anywhere, but Ashley was able to order some for me from a Kosher source. Are they just not that popular or are they popular among highly Jewish areas? I've heard that there's some authentic deli in the Dallas area that serves them, but I don't know where it is. However, I can't find the darn things in any grocery store in Illinois or Texas.

And yes, I remember Hydrox. Nasty substitutes if you ask me.


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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:32:56 PM

Maureen-you don't need a kosher grocery or a kosher section.


but I like the kosher grocery best kugel ever.

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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:52:24 PM

I still have never tasted a twinkie.


Did you never have a Lite Twinkie? Those were kosher. I think they came out around 1989-ish. First time I had a Twinkie was 7th grade when they came out with the new kosher recipe.




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Posted: 11/25/2012 10:56:20 PM

Did you never have a Lite Twinkie? Those were kosher. I think they came out around 1989-ish. First time I had a Twinkie was 7th grade when they came out with the new kosher recipe.


While they may have been kosher and we kept a few for Kosher guests because they never spoiled. I still think eating a shoe would have had more nutritional value.


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I don't think anyone ever ate a Twinkie for its nutritional value.


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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:00:12 PM
What's interesting is that people keep kosher in different ways. Our house is kosher. We have two sets of dishes/cutlery. We are kosher by ingredient only (doesn't need a symbol on the packaging) but I feel better about buying marked kosher items. But, I have a few friends who won't eat at our house because it isn't kosher enough. I have only one oven, one dishwasher, one fridge and micro, etc.






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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:03:34 PM

I don't think anyone ever ate a Twinkie for its nutritional value.


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Posted: 11/25/2012 11:42:03 PM

It's not this difficult! Buy snacks that are sealed until he comes over. I will find a link for you that shows the different markings you need to look for but it is SO EASY. There are so many items you buy already that are kosher and you just don't realize it.

Look for a U inside a circle.


This, but he still may refuse to eat some foods. If it's close to a meal time, he won't be able to eat dairy before a meat meal. I don't know how much time needs to elapse, but maybe someone else does. If you look for a P in a circle it means that the food has neither dairy or meat in it, and I would guess it would be a safe anytime snack. Or there's fruit.

And Batya, yes, I remember Hydrox and ate more than my share.



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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:25:42 AM
My first job was as a "Shabbos goy." I did things like opening packages and turning on lights for a couple of Orthodox Jewish families that they were not allowed to do on the Sabbath. I learned a lot about Jewish tradition and law during that time.

While I am not Jewish, my family has a lot of Jewish friends. Some keep kosher, and some do not. We always keep a lot of "parve" snack food (food that is kosher, and does not contain either meat or dairy) on hand for our friends who keep kosher. Because there are rules about mixing meat and dairy including the time that needs to pass between the consumption of one and then the other, it can be difficult to serve food that has either meat or dairy. Almost anything that does not have meat or dairy (animal products) can be parve, but we also look for a kosher symbol, but we look for the kosher symbol on a lot of food anyway because it means that the preparation and packing is supervised to be in compliance with kosher rules and will be of high quality. We don't open the packages ahead of time, and we are careful not to put any food into a dish that may have had either meat or dairy in it before (which makes disposable plates and bowls very useful).

Meals can be trickier. Fish is considered parve, but we aren't big fish eaters. Cooking can also be tough. Some people consider glass cooking dishes and plates to be okay to use because they don't "absorb" the food and can be carefully cleaned between uses; other people keep separate cookware and dishes for meat and diary (and two other sets for use during Passover, but that is a different story). If our friends on a kosher diet come over for a meal, we'll usually order out from a kosher deli or restaurant. The families I know don't keep separate refrigerators for meat and diary, but it is important they don't touch in the fridge.

I realize that this is way too much information! Really, just buy some bagged snacks and bottled/canned beverages with the kosher and/or parve symbol. The young man will have a good idea of what he can and cannot have. You are sweet to care and make him feel at home.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:44:11 AM
I have nothing to offer to this because I haven't kept strict kosher outside of Passover in a long time, but I think your concern and effort is to be admired.

I agree with whomever said speak with his parents. They can provide plenty to keep on hand to start, and you can get duplicates later on.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 6:37:09 AM

Are Half Sours (as in pickles) something that are uniquely Jewish? I only ask because I cannot for the life of me find them anywhere, but Ashley was able to order some for me from a Kosher source. Are they just not that popular or are they popular among highly Jewish areas? I've heard that there's some authentic deli in the Dallas area that serves them, but I don't know where it is. However, I can't find the darn things in any grocery store in Illinois or Texas.


I don't know if they are uniquely Jewish, but I grew up on Long Island with family in Brooklyn, so a number of 'common items' in my mind are Jewish. Not sure where in IL you are looking for the half sours, but I have found them at Kaufmans in Skokie - a suburb just north of Chicago. They are my favorite pickle and they are hard to find in the midwest.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:51:44 AM

If there is a kosher grocery near you, you could probably find snacks etc. there or if you have a large grocery store there is usually a kosher section. Look for foods marked parve and then keep the boxes sealed for his use only.


Thanks Maureen. I never thought to see if there was a kosher store around here. I will check. I have a feeling our HyVee may have a section. I am going to ask next time I am there.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:56:39 AM

It's not this difficult! Buy snacks that are sealed until he comes over. I will find a link for you that shows the different markings you need to look for but it is SO EASY. There are so many items you buy already that are kosher and you just don't realize it.

Look for a U inside a circle. Most Entemann's items are kosher. In fact, let me find a list online of things you can buy. Hang on...

Thanks Batya!!! This is exactly the type of info I am looking for. He doesn't come over every day or even every week, so I just wanted a few other sealed items to have on hand like the granola bars.

I don't think Melissa saw my question... May I keep the fruits and veggies in my refrigerator? Or does that depend?

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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:05:35 AM
Question-just to figure out how strict he is-

Does he eat out in restaurants with your son? Like will they go out to a diner or pizza place and he will just get a salad or something or will he not even do that b/c that will give me a lot of info about what you can serve him.

ETA: If you buy fresh whole fruits, just keep them in your fridge in the produce bags you buy them in. That should be fine unless he is Orthodox and wears a kippah/yarmulkah on his head which you would have noticed or perhaps mentioned by now. Does he?



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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:08:53 AM
I didn't know Hydrox weren't a good substitute b/c that's all I ever had! I liked them.

Never knew about twinkie lites but never felt like I was missing anything.

Half sour pickles. Hmmm. I dunno. I was always in an area where I could get them! I never gave it any thought. But it's definitely a staple at Jewish delis. And Skokie is definitely a Jewish area. My mother grew up in Chicago and her cousins lived in Skokie.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:20:41 AM

Just how strict is his family?

Well, let's see. These are a few of the rules that I know about.

He can not use any plates, flatware or cups that have been washed in my non kosher dishwasher. He can't use our microwave or pots/pans to warm anything up. We lined a pan one time with foil to make him something, and it was nonstick foil. It smelled awful!!

He is in band but can't march at any of the football games on Friday nights, or Saturday mornings.

He is on the XC team with DS, but isn't allowed to do races on Saturdays.

I vaguely remember something about going to a student council function and he had to hand money to DS to have DS buy his ticket because he wasn't allowed to purchase anything

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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:30:30 AM
OK. He does sound pretty observant. I would stick with whole fresh fruit kept in the produce bags. Sealed kosher snack foods with the symbols I posted for you. In fact I would only buy the ones that have the U with the O around it. That is the certification of the Union of Orthodox Rabbis and is on TONS and TONS of foods that you buy everyday but don't notice b/c you're not looking for it. We call it the OU certification.

That should be plenty to hold him over for an afternoon of snacking. Entemann's, Oreos, lots of pretzels and potato chips have that certification. Let him eat it right from the bag. Most teens do that anyway!


You are sweet to care and make him feel at home.


Ditto this 100x. When someone goes out of their way for my child like this I am so thankful. I NEVER ask. When invited somewhere, I tell my kids to just make do and they know what they can and can't have. I never want them or their observances to be an imposition. I can understand why he doesn't want to, either. BUT-if someone is kind enough to ask, I do tell them.

For instance, Dd has a friend who is sleeping over and she is gluten free. Her parents were going to send her with her own food. I said no way. I want to cook dinner and have her eat what everyone else is eating. I know what it's like to be different. So I will be picking up some gluten free snacks for her but will also be making a gluten free meal. It's easy enough.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:35:46 AM

I didn't know Hydrox weren't a good substitute b/c that's all I ever had! I liked them.

Never knew about twinkie lites but never felt like I was missing anything.

Half sour pickles. Hmmm. I dunno. I was always in an area where I could get them! I never gave it any thought. But it's definitely a staple at Jewish delis. And Skokie is definitely a Jewish area. My mother grew up in Chicago and her cousins lived in Skokie.


I never realized that Hydrox were a kosher thing. I had them a lot as a kid, but never gave a thought regarding which friends served Hydrox vs which had Oreos.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:37:54 AM
I only knew hydrox were a kosher thing b/c for me and kosher friends they had to be. KWIM? Once Oreos became kosher, you never saw hydrox, or sunshine brand at all for that matter.

ETA: Interesting-I found this about Hydrox and Oreos being the knockoffs!


Hydrox is the brand name for a creme-filled chocolate sandwich cookie that debuted in 1908 and was manufactured by Sunshine.[1] Its name was formed from the atomic elements which make up pure water: hydrogen and oxygen.[2] The similar Oreo—introduced later, in 1912—was inspired by the Hydrox, yet Hydrox suffered from the impression of being a knockoff.


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I realize that this is way too much information! Really, just buy some bagged snacks and bottled/canned beverages with the kosher and/or parve symbol. The young man will have a good idea of what he can and cannot have. You are sweet to care and make him feel at home

Thanks Kelli! Not too much info at all. The more I know, the easier it will be, and I find it all very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to share it with me...

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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:49:03 AM

Does he eat out in restaurants with your son? Like will they go out to a diner or pizza place and he will just get a salad or something or will he not even do that b/c that will give me a lot of info about what you can serve him.

I can't recall if they have eaten out together. He may have gone with some of the guys on the team for a team dinner and once I want to say they stopped at McDs. I don't know if he ate anything though. I will ask DS when he gets home.


ETA: If you buy fresh whole fruits, just keep them in your fridge in the produce bags you buy them in. That should be fine unless he is Orthodox and wears a kippah/yarmulkah on his head which you would have noticed or perhaps mentioned by now. Does he?

Yes, he does wear a yarmulkah (maybe it's a kippah? I don't know the difference?) I think his family is very strict.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:52:53 AM
A kippah is the Hebrew word for Yarmulka (yiddish), the skullcap Jewish men wear and it is the exact same thing. My family generally uses the word kippah but I wasn't sure which word people might recognize.

If he went to McDs he wouldn't have had more than a soda if that.

I think the whole fruit in the produce bag is still fine. Sealed snacks with an OU cert should be perfect.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 10:58:50 AM
So should I not look for things that say parve? and just stick to the OU or can I do both?

Maybe I can get him a package of Hebrew Natl and some shishkebob sticks and he can roast them over my burner He has a great sense of humor. I bet he'd be up for that!

Thank you all SO much for taking the time to help me (and Archie) with this! He is coming over after school to work on a school project, so I will be heading out to the store today. Yay!

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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:12:48 AM
I noticed in my grocery store ad last week that there are a lot of Kosher foods on sale for Hannukah (I guess that's why). Usually around the major Jewish holidays (Hannukah, Passover, etc) the grocery stores advertise kosher items. There may even be a Kosher section of your store (i think ours has one) where you can find things.

ETA- The words and symbols that Batya posted to look for, I've seen on probably half the items I buy at the grocery store, and I'm not Jewish. I just have noticed them when I open a package of whatever it is. Usually I see the markings on the front of the package, near the title of the product.

And I do remember Hydrox, never knew what the difference was b/t them and oreos.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:17:03 AM
I wouldn't do the hot dogs b/c the meat will prevent him from eating any dairy at your house or for hours after. (But it's a cute idea!)

Don't bother looking for parve snacks unless it isn't difficult to do so. Fruit is parve. Most pretzels and potato chips probably are. Though if something is made on machinery that makes dairy food, the snack you buy will be dairy certified, even if there is no dairy in it. I wouldn't go crazy over that. Dairy is fine b/c there is no minimum wait time after eating dairy (unless it's hard cheeses b/c they take longer to digest) and then eating his meat dinner at home, if there is one.

If he eats an entemann's dairy cupcake at your house and an hour later has a chicken dinner at his house there is no issue. Don't make it more difficult on yourself than it has to be. Trust me, I've been kosher for almost 40 years.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:43:51 AM

If he eats an entemann's dairy cupcake at your house and an hour later has a chicken dinner at his house there is no issue. Don't make it more difficult on yourself than it has to be. Trust me, I've been kosher for almost 40 years.


I do have a tendency to make things more difficult than they need to be. And I was mostly kidding about the hotdog

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Posted: 11/26/2012 11:53:37 AM
I just want to say that posts like this are part of what I love about Two Peas. One, that people are considerate enough to try to accommodate others, and go out of their way to understand their needs. And two, that people will kindly share a lot of information to help others understand. Lastly, the rest of us can learn from things like this too! I used to be pretty in tune with kosher rules, as I had two close friends who were Orthodox, but it's been a long time and I'd forgotten a lot.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:08:46 PM
Batya, I've got a question about eating kosher and I hope it doesn't come across as offensive.

I understand that the rules on eating kosher are clearly outlined, but are there actual health reasons behind them? I know many of the rules came about at a time when refrigeration and sanitation didn't exist so they probably were good rules for that time. Is there an actual health benefit to some of the rules, such as not eating meat and dairy together? Obviously, people keep kosher for reasons not related to health, but I wondered if health plays into it as well.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 12:12:22 PM
Not offensive at all!

Some people cite health reasons for it. But theologically, if you are following kashrut, you are doing it simply b/c the Torah requires it of you, nothing more. I don't believe there are health reasons in this day and age to be honest, but I've never pursued that line of study b/c it is irrelevant to me. KWIM?

You're doing it to elevate what most people consider a mundane act into a holy one. one that requires more thought and preparation than it is given by the average person.

Oh busypea, we all know you're just a buttkisser. j/k


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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:16:04 PM


Does anyone else remember Hydrox cookies?




For sure! We were just reminiscing about them this past Shabbos when my friend's husband said he actually PREFERRED Hydrox to Oreos. The rest of us quickly concluded he was crazy

I wasn't keeping kosher back when Hershey bars became kosher, but I remember Oreos and Cheez-its very well



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Posted: 11/26/2012 1:20:41 PM
Just wanted to add that in this case, I think sealed packaged foods are definitely the way to go. Sometimes our extended family will try to prepare things for us, and then if we can't eat it because something got messed up (which is very likely to happen when cooking in a non-kosher kitchen), we feel awful! If I'm going somewhere that won't have kosher food (like we did for Thanksgiving this weekend), we bring our own prepared food from home and packaged snacks. Works just fine Most grocery stores have plenty of kosher marked options to choose from in packaged foods. It's for meat, cheese, and specialty items that you need a kosher store.



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Posted: 11/26/2012 7:51:01 PM

Some people cite health reasons for it. But theologically, if you are following kashrut, you are doing it simply b/c the Torah requires it of you, nothing more. I don't believe there are health reasons in this day and age to be honest, but I've never pursued that line of study b/c it is irrelevant to me. KWIM?


I was told that the kosher laws have to do with health. The wording is more about "defiling" the body with things that are not meant to be eaten, but I take that to mean better health. Insects, for example, aren't kosher. There are also certain parts of kosher animals that should not be eaten, "byproducts" and such. We always buy Hebrew National hotdogs because the processing is supervised to ensure that there are no insects or byproducts in the hotdogs--I think of them as healthier and of better quality.

Kosher law dictates how an animal should be slaughtered. It is prohibited to eat an animal that died of natural causes, one that was sick, or one killed by another animal. Makes sense to me! Other animals that are not kosher are scavengers—pigs, and shellfish, for example. Reptiles, amphibians, and rodents, including rabbit, are not kosher. Certain “noble” animals—dogs, cats, horses—are also not kosher. Personally, I eat bacon and ham, but I don’t eat shrimp, lobster, or crab because I think of them as “sea bugs.”

The separation of the meat and dairy is trickier! Some believe that it is a separation of the death and the life-giving properties of milk to foster more thoughtful consumption and gratitude for the food we eat. Some think that there is a tie to better absorption of iron and calcium. Another line of thought is that the rule had to do with transferring bacteria from one type of food to another and safe storage of food before preservatives and refrigeration. There is also the thought that the separation of meat and dairy isn’t connected to health but was a “tribal” thing to keep the ancient Jews from intermingling with outsiders.

Of course, this is open to some interpretation and debate. Keeping kosher can mean different things to different people.

Islamic dietary law (Halal) has many of the same rules because its roots are in the Old Testament as well.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:01:15 PM
When I've studied Torah, we've touched upon the health reason people cite but that is not the reason we do it. It has been discussed and people use it as a justification. We do it to separate the holy from the not holy, to make an everyday act sacred. I know there are health 'reasons' given but we do it b/c we are commanded to. It's not b/c it's healthier. I can show you a lot of overweight very unhealthy kosher people for whom kashrut has not made a whit of a difference.


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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:16:15 PM

Thanks Maureen. I never thought to see if there was a kosher store around here. I will check. I have a feeling our HyVee may have a section. I am going to ask next time I am there.


Pam, I know you live sort of where I live and while my HyVee doesn't have a kosher section, I know there is one that does. I think it's probably close to you. Mine has more Vietnamese stuff. Anyway you should be able to find stuff there.
If we have a Kosher grocery store around, I've never heard of it.

I will tell you that the Oriental Grocery Store downtown has a KILLER selection of nail polish though!!!!!

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Posted: 11/26/2012 8:42:35 PM

Pam, I know you live sort of where I live and while my HyVee doesn't have a kosher section, I know there is one that does. I think it's probably close to you.

Thanks! I have two pretty close. Is it the one by TJ Maxx or the one on DG?? And great to know about the oriental grocery. I really need to remember to try places like that more often.

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Posted: 11/26/2012 9:48:25 PM
Thinking DG, was just at the other by TJ Maxx a few days ago. Could have been across the river on 7th St though so I'd def ask! Good luck.That's really nice of you to look out for him.
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