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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:04:55 PM
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Someone posted a HL Appreciation Day status on facebook and this was the first article I found.....





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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:08:04 PM
I have not I hope not I like it better than Michaels. We have two new ones.
Is it just this location. I know they are closed on Sundays but they are usually packed on the weekends with ridiculously long lines.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:10:35 PM
First I had heard about this but wouldn't other companies such as Chick filet and In and Out have the same issue?


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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:11:18 PM
I don't think they would actully close. They have been fighting this all year and have alot of new HL opening....

But they do need to figure something out. I feel for them. It's a private owned christian business that is being forced to go against it's beliefs. That's wrong, wrong, wrong. They should not have to chose between their business or their religion.

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No, I haven't! I sure hope not because I like it MUCH more than M's or J's.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:21:44 PM
We used to live two blocks from one, I miss shopping there.

HL isn't a franchise, is it? I'd assume that if one closes because of the new health mandate, all would close.





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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:22:45 PM
What part of that article says they are closing?


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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:51:12 PM
Follow the law or pay the fine. HL needs to quit trying to shove their beliefs down their employees throats.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:52:08 PM
I seriously doubt they are going to close their business down. They filed suit over the Affordable Care Act, but a Federal Judge threw it out on Monday.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 5:55:10 PM

Follow the law or pay the fine. HL needs to quit trying to shove their beliefs down their employees throats.
I saw this a few weeks back and wondered about the employees, and how they felt about the issue.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:03:45 PM
Geez I hope not, they finally opened one in my state.



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Follow the law or pay the fine. HL needs to quit trying to shove their beliefs down their employees throats.
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I saw this a few weeks back and wondered about the employees, and how they felt about the issue.


I hope it isn't that they are happy to have Sundays and holidays off because of the company's beliefs but want them to go against their beliefs other times.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:08:06 PM
Washington state law has required mandatory coverage of contraceptives since 2001,
so I wonder how they've gotten around in WA state?



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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:26:01 PM

Washington state law has required mandatory coverage of contraceptives since 2001,
so I wonder how they've gotten around in WA state?


They are bound by both federal law AND the laws of the state in which they are incorporated (based). If their headquarters are not in WA state then they are not bound by those laws.

I have to say even though I am overall a supporter of the affordable care act, I side with HL and the Catholic Church on this one. I think the affordable care act should mandate coverage for emergency/catastrophic, not lifestyle issues like contraceptives.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:47:57 PM

Washington state law has required mandatory coverage of contraceptives since 2001, so I wonder how they've gotten around in WA state?
I may be mistaken, but I believe one of the problems with the ACA is that it mandates coverage for abortion-inducing drugs (AKA Plan B, etc.).


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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:51:40 PM
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Posted: 11/30/2012 6:52:26 PM
I don't think it said anything in the article about them closing, the facebook status had that as part of it...





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Posted: 11/30/2012 7:24:46 PM

But they do need to figure something out. I feel for them. It's a private owned christian business that is being forced to go against it's beliefs. That's wrong, wrong, wrong. They should not have to chose between their business or their religion.


I do agree with this, but to play devil's advocate, what's to keep businesses from claiming religious or moral objection just to save money?


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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:00:23 PM

I may be mistaken, but I believe one of the problems with the ACA is that it mandates coverage for abortion-inducing drugs (AKA Plan B, etc.).


Plan B does not induce an abortion. Plan B works to prevent ovulation or implantation. If implantation has already occured, plan B is useless.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:07:17 PM
"I may be mistaken, but I believe one of the problems with the ACA is that it mandates coverage for abortion-inducing drugs (AKA Plan B, etc.)."


You are mistaken....Plan B does not effect existing pregnancies, it is back up birth control. So they would close their business and lay off thousands of employees just so, they didn't have to offer insurance that pays for birth control? This doesn't sound very Christian to me.



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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:31:59 PM

Plan B does not induce an abortion. Plan B works to prevent ovulation or implantation. If implantation has already occured, plan B is useless.
Many Christians, myself included, believe that life begins at the moment of conception. The moment the egg is fertilized is the beginning of life.

As such, even Plan B is considered an abortion-inducing drug. As I said, though "I may be mistaken" as far as HL's opposition to the mandate.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:33:29 PM

employees just so, they didn't have to offer insurance that pays for birth control? This doesn't sound very Christian to me.



Actually, they clarified in numerous articles, that it wasn't about birth control pills, it was about the morning after pill. Alot of pro lifers feel this is a form of abortion.

I agree w/Ms. Tyler. They started the business, they should have the right to run it by their religeous beliefs. It wasn't like they started this up, after the law was written. They were there first. If you don't like it, don't work there.

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Posted: 11/30/2012 8:49:50 PM
You know, it's funny that when I complained that a catholic run insurance company would not cover sterilization, the 2P consensus was that I was free to pay for it myself.
But when a private company doesn't want to pay extra for additional insurance, THAT is not ok, and they need to get with the program. What happened to "they are free to pay for it themselves"??

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You know, it's funny that when I complained that a catholic run insurance company would not cover sterilization, the 2P consensus was that I was free to pay for it myself.
But when a private company doesn't want to pay extra for additional insurance, THAT is not ok, and they need to get with the program. What happened to "they are free to pay for it themselves"??


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The vast majority of people who are pro-life believe that life begins at conception - not "implantation".


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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:21:42 PM
I think that they will close rather than comply with the mandate, I really do.

People like the Greens take their religious beliefs seriously, and I honestly can't see them paying for those kind of contraceptives. I know I wouldn't if I were in their shoes.

It's truly sad that it's come to this in our country. I love Hobby Lobby...I just went there tonight. I can't even imagine how many additional people would be unemployed if they did go out of business.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 9:29:37 PM
The vast majority of people could believe that the sun rises in the west but that would not make it so. There is no medical evidence that Plan B causes abortions nor does it prevent implantation. It does delay ovulation. That is one of those pesky facts that the "vast majority of people" choose to ignore.

As the courts have said, employers such as Hobby Lobby are not prevented from encouraging their employees not to use BC, but breaking the law is not an option.




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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:21:38 PM

on January 1, 2013. At that point, it will face the choice of dropping employee health insurance altogether (and paying about $26 million a year in penalties), or continuing its current plan (which will expose it to about $1.3 million in fines per day).

Looks like another option for them will be to drop their employees insurance and pay the fine. It will be much less than the $1.3 million per day. I have no idea how much HL makes per year and if they can pay a fine of $26 million and stay in business.





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Posted: 11/30/2012 10:37:10 PM

Hey--here's an idea--if you don't want to keep your legs closed-then buy your own birth control! I am sick of everyone thinking they can do what they want to do and have everyone else pay for it. Can't afford birth control-then don't have sex! It is called personal responsibility.


Is this for real? People in a committed loving marriage who can't afford or don't want more or any children should just keep their legs closed? Women with a need for hormone regulation that some birth control products provide should just keep their legs closed? Women who are raped or in abusive relationships or any number of scenarios where a woman doesn't want to have a baby means she should just keep her legs closed?

Wow.

That's like - don't have the money for insulin? Don't eat; it's your fault you're diabetic. Don't have the money for chemotherapy? Hey, too bad; you shouldn't have sun bathed or smoked or eaten blackened steaks.

Birth control is a prescription medication prescribed by a medical provider for a patient. What drugs a provider deems appropriate for a patient is no one's business but the provider and the patient, and affordable care is just that, care a person can afford.


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Posted: 11/30/2012 11:47:05 PM
The FDA packaging inserts says that it may also prevent implantation, as well as delay ovulation.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 12:47:23 AM

Don't like their beliefs? Don't work for them or shop there. They aren't forcing anyone to believe anything. However, they should have protection under the First Amendment to run their private business in accordance with their beliefs. The Affordable Healthcare Act is what is shoving beliefs onto businesses.


No the Affordable Care Act is enforcing the law not a belief system. Very different. I do believe that business owners need to remove their religious beliefs from company policies. There are plenty of countries where the head of state is also the religious leader. The USA has separation of church and state for a reason. People need to stop imposing their beliefs onto others.





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The USA has separation of church and state for a reason. People need to stop imposing their beliefs onto others.


I couldn't agree more. The government should stop imposing its beliefs on religious businesses. There IS separation of church and state in this country but you would never know it recently. The state is imposing force on far too many religious institutions.

It appears that many of you would be glad to see that great store close and thousands of people lose their jobs just so you can force your will on others. People have convictions for a reason. I am proud of those who are willing to lose everything just to stand for what they think is right. There are far too few of them left in this country.


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Hobby Lobby is a PRIVATE company owned by a family who started the business in their garage. The separation of church & state have nothing to do with how the owners choose to operate THEIR business.

Separation of church & state has nothing to do with privately owned businesses. The owners of HL have a right to be as religious as they please. It's called freedom of religion. Don't like it? Simple. Don't work there or shop there.

A privately owned business should not be forced to pay to cover something that goes against their religious beliefs. Period.


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Posted: 12/1/2012 2:46:51 AM

Follow the law or pay the fine. HL needs to quit trying to shove their beliefs down their employees throats.

how about following the Constitution? Ever heard of that?

If you don't like 'em, don't work or shop there. it's that easy.




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Looks like another option for them will be to drop their employees insurance and pay the fine. It will be much less than the $1.3 million per day. I have no idea how much HL makes per year and if they can pay a fine of $26 million and stay in business.
Sounds like they will not do that, and will pay the fines. I can't imagine they can stay in business long at this rate.


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After failing to receive temporary relief from the fines from the Supreme Court, Hobby Lobby announced late Thursday through its attorneys that it "will continue to provide health insurance to all qualified employees. To remain true to their faith, it is not their intention, as a company, to pay for abortion-inducing drugs."


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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:46:19 PM
I find it funny that HL is the way it is now. When I was 18 (many years ago!) I worked there while going to college. The stores were open on Sundays and everyone hated it! Plus, during the holidays, we were open till 10pm and it was horrid Plus, they sold more secular items and less crosses and religious-based items back then and they sure didn't play Christian music (our manager loved rock music and would blast it through the store, lol).

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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:51:22 PM

Hey--here's an idea--if you don't want to keep your legs closed-then buy your own birth control! I am sick of everyone thinking they can do what they want to do and have everyone else pay for it. Can't afford birth control-then don't have sex! It is called personal responsibility.
How ignorant. Do you or anyone else here not realize that hundreds of thousands of women take "birth control" hormone medication for reasons other than the fact they "can't keep their legs closed?



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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:54:03 PM
I don't know all the details but could they sell the business instead of closing it down? Then the new business owner, who likely wouldn't have the same beliefs, make adjustments to the benefits in accordance with the ACA?



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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:58:58 PM
This morning I heard that they are ready to pay the 1 million dollar + fine everyday as well as continue to fight it in court.



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Posted: 12/28/2012 4:59:20 PM
I believe they could also drop full-time employees and avoid the fines for not going against their faith.





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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:00:00 PM

No the Affordable Care Act is enforcing the law not a belief system. . . . People need to stop imposing their beliefs onto others.


It's a law that is, as most laws are, based on a belief system. A BELIEF that all people have a right to affordable healthcare, for example. It's a belief I share, but it's still a belief.

The sentiment that 'people need to stop shoving their beliefs down others' throats' runs both ways.

I support Obama, I support the bulk of the ACA, but I understand Hobby Lobby's dilemma. Part of me is on their side. But I worry if they win this, it opens the door for any company to decide they suddenly have a religious/moral objection to birth control when really they just want to save money. Or maybe they'll say they are run by Scientologists so don't want to pay for mental health services, when they really just think it's too expensive. How do you control that?


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:03:09 PM

Hey--here's an idea--if you don't want to keep your legs closed-then buy your own birth control! I am sick of everyone thinking they can do what they want to do and have everyone else pay for it. Can't afford birth control-then don't have sex! It is called personal responsibility.


What a completely ignorant, simplistic and sexist view of the uses of birth control. And I don't even feel bad for saying so anymore.


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:03:09 PM

How ignorant. Do you or anyone else here not realize that hundreds of thousands of women take "birth control" hormone medication for reasons other than the fact they "can't keep their legs closed?


What she's really saying is that poor women don't have the right to have sex. Poor men can, because they can't get pregnant. But poor women? Screw them. (Pun not intended)


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:07:24 PM
Oh hell, I'll say it. They should just hire men.


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:09:57 PM

They should not have to chose between their business or their religion.


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:10:54 PM

I think that they will close rather than comply with the mandate, I really do.
Then I hope they close.



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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:12:16 PM
You know my taxes go against things that are against my religious beliefs....death penalty, wars, abortion.....but I don't go around whining and threatening to sue, etc. Not everything is going to go your way in life.



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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:19:48 PM

They should just hire men.
Which begs the question I have now, which is-do they cover vasectomies?


They should not have to chose between their business or their religion.


In this business climate? They absolutely do.


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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:45:12 PM
Really, Erin? I have a feeling that the thousands of people employed by HL don't agree with your cavalier attitude about the company closing.

Let's see...I have a job and no Health insurance coverage for abortion related medical procedures or I have no job. I know I would choose the job, but maybe you're rich and your political viewpoints can take precedence over your need to pay a mortgage or feed your kids.

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Posted: 12/28/2012 5:54:18 PM

They should not have to chose between their business or their religion.


In this business climate? They absolutely do


What??? They are doing just fine in this business climate. Unless by business climate you mean new government mandates.



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