We fuss about Christmas showing up in stores so early, but when did our parents get started?

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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:17:45 PM
I've been behind in my 'Journal Your Christmas' stuff. Not stressed, just behind.

So day 2 asks us to kind of compare how early we remember Christmas themed stuff showing up in stores, music, ads, etc to how it is currently.

I guess I wasn't super aware as a kid because it always seemed to me we never even started Christmas shopping until December. Was there such a thing as Black Friday? When did the Sears Wish Book come out (I miss the sweet fun of the Sears Wish Book!)?



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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:21:42 PM
I remember Thanksgiving being treated with more respect when I was a kid. You didn't see Christmas until after T-Day.



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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:23:54 PM
Not sure about when I was a young child but when I was a teenager in the 80's we always went out of town Thanksgiving weekend and did Christmas shopping.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:30:35 PM
I don't think we put up our tree - always live back then - until mid December, but I could be wrong about that. It just seems to be tied up in my memory with school being out for the holidays. I don't remember anything else a far as shopping or stores go.




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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:33:12 PM
We always did two trees, one artificial (silver...remember those? with a revolving colored light stand shining on it) and a real tree...and I remember mid december. The wish book from Sears came out Decemeber 1st....






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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:39:15 PM

We always did two trees, one artificial (silver...remember those? with a revolving colored light stand shining on it) and a real tree...and I remember mid december. The wish book from Sears came out Decemeber 1st....
we never had a silver tree, but I want one! I saw one in a consignment store one year and told DH that was all I wanted for Christmas. He thought I was joking.

So the Wish Book didn't come out until the 1st? How long did we pore over it? Lol
We're our parents worried about ordering and receiving before Christmas or did they usually pick it up at the Sears store?


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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:41:56 PM
I know I went BF shopping several times with my mom when I was younger. I was born in '72. It would have been when I was 5th grade and up. So, I know Black Friday was around. However, at that time BF started at 7 am, maybe 6. It wasn't these 3 am times or starting on T-giving.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:44:17 PM
Back in the 60s my mom groused about Christmas being out in the stores too early (before Thanksgiving)

Christmas commercials on tv started on Thanksgiving day. I'm pretty sure the sears wish book showed up in September. The vintage ones I find online have a valid through date of August 31st for the following year.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 6:49:42 PM

Christmas commercials on tv started on Thanksgiving day. I'm pretty sure the sears wish book showed up in September. The vintage ones I find online have a valid through date of August 31st for the following year.
I would love to get my hands on a wish book or two. My sisters and I totally marked those babies up.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:17:32 PM
With me sister, my parents continued the tradition my grandparents had to putting the Christmas tree, decorations and presents under the tree Christmas eve after she was in bed. By the time I came along, the tree/decorations went up the weekend after Thanksgiving.

I remember stores not putting up Christmas decorations until after Thanksgiving.



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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:19:53 PM
In the 1960's in New England we did not get our tree until December was in the 20's.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:25:53 PM
We always got our tree the second or third weekend of December. That's still what I do now. I don't remember anything about when stores started putting stuff out, I did not pay attention to dates when I was a kid LOL!

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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:29:05 PM
Sears Wish Books went out in August! No way they would have spent that much time and money putting together a catalog that would only get the be viewed for 2 weeks before items had to be shipped!

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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:35:56 PM
When I was growing up, in the 60's, we were the second family in our little town to put up our Christmas tree, on December 12th, which was my father's birthday.

Now, if we waited until the 12th, we'd be about the last family in town!


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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:46:07 PM
I remember well our silver tree and loved it--my Dad still has it and until the last couple of years would put it on their screened porch--he just hasn't had that "spirit" since my Mom's been gone--but anyway--Dillard's has a silver tinsel tree this year and when I saw it I new I had to have it--it is in my dining room all decorated with vintage style ornaments--I love it and thought it was a deal at $65.00.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:51:35 PM
My mom was (is) a crazy Christmas shopper and would pretty much start the day after Christmas for the next year. She had a huge closet where things were hidden and I don't ever remember her being stressed by Christmas. We always had our trees and decorations up the day after Thanksgiving no matter what, even the year she had the twins on Halloween!



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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:54:52 PM
Do artificial trees have something to do with this? Perhaps it is easier for things to get moving earlier when the biological process of decay does not constrain.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 7:56:03 PM
Growing up, the weekend after Thanksgiving, the wreaths would go on the front doors, and my dad or uncle would put the lights on my grandmother's bushes for her. my mom would start getting some decorations out, but the tree never went up until the weekend before christmas. And it came down just after new years.

even now, we don't put our tree up until the weekend before, this year, if it is nice I might try to get it out on the 16th and put the lights on it so dd can decorate when she gets home later in the week.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 8:01:53 PM
I always thought the Macy's T'Day Parade was the official start to Christmas shopping way back then. So it must be that it started on the day after Thanksgiving. I believe the parade started in the early twenties.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 8:18:11 PM
Christmas shopping was done by my mom with her sisters, early in the month, an all day thing. Dad went out a couple days later, often with mom while my aunt or a neighbor babysat us.

Always after Thanksgiving, always.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:10:28 PM
And don't forget store hours were not like how they are now, but somehow my mom got everything done between December 1st and December 24th.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:25:30 PM
The little town I'm from started a tradition in the very early early 80s of lighting and decorating the town before T-Day. The day after T-Day they "cut the ribbon" so to speak and lite everything up. So as far as my life is concerned Christmas began the day after Thanksgiving.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:35:48 PM
I feel like the Sears Wish Book came out early because we celebrated fall Holy Days (in September/October) and I remember looking at the Wish Book before the Holy Days.




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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:38:00 PM
LOL! I'll bet I remeber the Sears wish book coming out on December 1st, because my mom probably HID it form us 4 kids!! OMG! I am totally calling her on it now! HaHA!!!!!!


I'm pretty sure the sears wish book showed up in September. The vintage ones I find online have a valid through date of August 31st for the following year.






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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:04:38 PM
I can pretty much pinpoint it for me. Every year where ever we lived (moved A LOT) we would go to my grandma's for Thanksgiving. My mom and my aunt's would go shopping on Friday. I never heard the term Black Friday (or didn't notice it) but that was their day to shop and us kids/cousins would play all day. This would be in the 1970s



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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:12:33 PM
The wish book cane out around the beginning of school in September.
I couldn't wait for that thing every year


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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:15:12 AM
I have no idea when Christmas things were out in the stores. I'm pretty sure it was cold and snowy by the time Christmas things were out. My mom wasn't much into Christmas. She wouldn't usually get our Christmas tree until they were pretty much picked over and discounted. And she would often take it down like the day after Christmas. If we were lucky she might take it down New Year's Day. Always before I was tired of it. She wasn't much for Christmas shopping, although there were presents. Once when I was maybe 4 or 5 years old we went out as a family to do Christmas shopping. That is the only time I remember doing so. I'm sure it must have been pretty late in the season.

Back then the streets were decorated and the stores played Christmas carols piped outside. I remember going shopping with her then, but if we were Christmas shopping I do not remember it as that.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:33:52 AM
My parents and grandparents are all from different parts of Europe.
Therefore when I was a child they followed those traditions - which was that the tree goes up on Christmas Eve, stays up for the "12 days of Christmas" and then gets taken down.
Christmas Eve is the start of the festivities.

I prefer that way of doing things...but I don't have my own children, so I really don't have to worry about it!

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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:37:50 AM
We used to go to a local Thanksgiving parade -- not sure if it was Tday or the weekend after -- and the last float in the parade always was Santa. This was in the late 60s/early 70s.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 6:00:54 AM
I don't remember the timing; just that my mom did most of her shopping through the Sears and JCPenney catalogs. My sister and I pored over the Wish Book for weeks!

My mom remembers her parents doing the custom of putting up the tree Christmas Eve and it being a 'surprise' Christmas morning. I love the idea in concept but there's no way it would work for us.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:19:47 AM
Mom was a real scrooge around Christmas. The tree would go up a couple weeks before and she would complain the whole time. Same thing for shopping.

We make a season out of the whole fall/thankful/Christmas season and wind it together into one "thankful" event. No complaining about a tree, no complaining about lights, no complaining about glitter... we do slip a little with the neighbors tacky blow up decorations but that's another thing...Shopping is done early and we stay relaxed.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:50:45 AM

When I was growing up, in the 60's, we were the second family in our little town to put up our Christmas tree, on December 12th, which was my father's birthday.

Now, if we waited until the 12th, we'd be about the last family in town!


Total side note: my birthday is also the 12th. Had to get a new tree this year, and was willing to wait to get the one I really want delivered, so it will be arriving on the 11th and will be put up on the 12th!

Normally, I do the December 1st decorating of the tree/house date.

Totally miss the Sears Wish Book. Wow. Those were the days. And we never had the tree up or gifts bought before Thanksgiving when I was growing up. Some years I remember it being after my birthday. For several years our tree was an artificial white one. Not flocked, SOLID white. LOL! I loved that thing.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:13:39 AM
We always started Christmasstuff after Thanksgiving. I guess I didn't pay attention that much. Seems like we focused on Thanksgiving, enjoyed that and then focused on Christmas.

I know the weekend of Thanksgiving we spent a lot of time together with extended family.

My family always decorated the house either the Sat/Sunday of Thanksgiving weekend or the next weekend after that. My grandparents put their tree up around the same time.

Seems like we did one big shopping trip on a Saturday or Sunday between Thanksgiving and Christmas for everyone on our list, and then we were done with all the running around. We usually wrapped a few presents every night after that until it was done. We also did some baking between Thanksgiving and Christmas, as a family, on a Sunday.

I remember Christmas stuff going up in stores after Thanksgiving and then it slipped to after Halloween and now in some cases its July. But to me, some of that makes sense. For example, if you are planning to do anything crafty for the holiday, I can understand why the big box craft stores putting stuff out so you have time to make things.

I think we occasionally did day-after-Thanksgiving shopping but I don't recall it being early in the day or people stampeding each other the way some people do now.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:22:11 AM
I was a child in the '80s and a teen in the '90s. We started Christmas on Thanksgiving night when all the relatives left. My brother and I would go down to the basement and haul out the tree, ornaments and lights and start decorating the minute they left.

And yes, Black Friday was a "thing" in the '80s and '90s too, though it wasn't called "Black Friday" yet (I don't think that happened until sometime in the 2000s)...it was just referred to as the "Biggest shopping day of the year" and the local news would live broadcast from the malls.

My mom would typically take us kids out on "Black Friday" for shopping during the afternoon. Then, later at night, her and our neighbor would go out and shop til the wee hours of the morning (I remember the stores being open really late on Black Friday night.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:37:09 AM
My mom worked for a company that gave you your birthday off. Hers was Dec. 15th, so when we came home from school that day, the tree was up and the whole house was decorated. Usually she had done some baking too.

When I think back on it, she must have worked like a dog that day!



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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:21:17 AM

My mom worked for a company that gave you your birthday off. Hers was Dec. 15th, so when we came home from school that day, the tree was up and the whole house was decorated. Usually she had done some baking too.

When I think back on it, she must have worked like a dog that day!
That's cool and yes, she probably did work her tail off! Lol

I was looking at some images of the old Sears Wish Books. Really brought back memories. I remember circling a ventriloquist dummy more than once, but never getting it. They freaked my mom out.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:27:14 AM
When I was a kid (70's and 80's) we didn't start Christmas until the Advent calendar came out on December 1st...

We didn't get a tree (live) until the middle of December and it stayed up until January 6th.

I don't ever remember shopping on "Black Friday." We did exchange Christmas lists and/or drew names with relatives on Thanksgiving because we saw them that day but the day after Thanksgiving was "Thanksgiving 2" where we stayed home and cooked our own Thanksgiving dinner. Most of the decorating and shopping happened after school got out for vacation.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:44:14 AM
We didn't shop until the Christmas Club checks came out, but I don't know when that was.

I think they are out earlier these days.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:48:36 PM
It was closer to Christmas when we put up a real tree back in the 50's.. sometimes it was Christmas Eve..(tho I don't remember why... probably because the trees would have been 1/2 price! lol).. I don't remember Christmas ever "hi-jacking" Thanksgiving... let alone Halloween!.. Thanksgiving was our favorite holiday..since my mother asked that my older siblings try and be home for it.. and stay home with your children on Christmas...as she thought Christmas is for the kids...

It was definitely one holiday at a time at my house..but I do remember searching for those treasure (and finding some) that my mother got from Jordan Marsh (where she worked in the doll dept)!!!!

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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:48:38 PM
Thanksgiving was the start of the season. Our tree (live) went up the Sunday before Christmas. The tree came down after new year's and as late as Jan 6th. We did get the 'wish book' before school started. I don't remember the adults shopping way back then. As a young teen I started shopping all year long and wrapped early too. I used all kinds of boxes for items, my family learned not to believe what the box said.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:59:04 PM
My childhood tree always went up two weeks before Christmas and my Dad complained that that was too early! I do remember that Mom and Dad would always go out and Christmas shop on one weekend that we would stay with our Grandparents. I would shop for my school friends gifts the weekend before school let out for Christmas.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 2:06:06 PM
My birthday is the 4th. The tree never went up any earlier until the weekend after my birthday. And I think that was only because I would bug everyone about it, until we could put it up. LOL!

But I have a distinct memory of putting up the tree while watching the Christmas episode of Good Times. (Where they put on a talent show at the cab company, or something like that.) So, that had to be more middle of December, I would think?

As far as shopping, we were big layaway people back then, so I'm sure most stuff was bought (at least the big "Santa" stuff) in probably early November.






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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:41:16 AM
I remember as a child that we always drove by a big park in town to see santa and his reindeer the day it was lit up. I'm thinking it was Thanksgiving night. I am 60 and my Mom is 79. I'm going to have to ask her. I also remember her telling us it would do no good for us to look at the Sears Wish Book because if we had to look at it to figure out what we wanted we didn't know what we wanted anyway. lol. I said that to my grandson when he called recently. He's 8 and I asked him what he wanted for Christmas. His answer was.."I haven't looked so I don't know yet". We do become our Mothers. We didn't get big toys often but we never woke up to toys Christmas morning. We'd go to bed and about the time we were all asleep my Dad would wake us up to tell us Santa had come. He got so much fun out of Christmas and did until he died. My Mom enjoyed it and does still but she
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Posted: 12/8/2012 12:44:56 AM
We had a silver tree when I was growing up, we also had the rotating 4 color wheel. I loved that tree. We moved from our home in Columbus (ohio) to a rural area when I was ten (1969) and after a couple years we got an artificial green tree. My sister and I continued to put the silver tree up in our bedroom, lol.

My mom didn't like the mess of a real tree so we never had one. We always decorated the house and had many traditions, but our trees would not go up until 2 weeks before christmas and then come down on new years day. I always remember growing up that christmas did not start until after christmas. The first time anyone saw anything relating to Santa was at the end of the Macy's parade when Santa appeared in his sleigh!

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Posted: 12/8/2012 4:38:22 AM

somehow my mom got everything done between December 1st and December 24th.


I think it was easier in the day when we didn't try to make things so elaborate/involved and many women didn't work outside the home.



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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:29:02 AM
I think it was easier in the day when we didn't try to make things so elaborate/involved and many women didn't work outside the home.
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I think that is part of it. Mom was able to take care of a lot of the shopping, organizing, planning, cleaning during the school day.

But I think a bigger part is all of these memories are from a child's perspective. There is a lack of awareness of what the adults where thinking. Most of today's kids are equally unaware of mom starting to stress over Christmas plans/budgeting earlier than the day your house puts up the Christmas tree.

The memories your kids have will be of Christmas season starting when you put up the tree. They aren't going to realize you started stressing about budgeting back in August, or craft stores put out stuff in July or any of the "too early" stuff adults notice because it induces a level of stress to the adults.


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