I don't understand why kids are allowed back in school with nits!

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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:03:40 PM
Can't the nits hatch? The shampoo does not effect the nits right? Just kills the live bugs, right?


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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:42:39 PM
Resultz kills both.

Nits can be hatched; be dead inside, or be viable inside. Many different meanings. The glue can hold them on the shaft for years


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Posted: 12/6/2012 9:57:21 PM
I kind of see the argument. Lice are not deadly, nits in theory aren't yet lice, and it is bad for kids to miss school.

However, my oldest has waist-length curly hair, and when she got lice, I spent two days at literally eight hours a day combing her hair out, and still ended up having to go to a professional to get it all out. Hundreds of dollars. It was horrid. I now put gel in her hair and make her wear it up to school. If they are going to let in kids with nits, I kind of feel like there needs to be a slush fund for delousing.

ETA: a lot of lice are now resistant to the chemical products.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:27:58 PM
I have a friend who is a health clerk and we discussed this at a girls night one night. She said the nits can hatch, but if some of these kids were kept out for nits they would be out for weeks at a time. It does suck that the nits can hatch, but she said she can usually tell if a family is really trying to get a handle on the lice or if they are just sending the kids to school.


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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:32:52 PM
We were told by TPTB at our school that lice, while "gross," are more an annoyance than a true threat to one's health. They don't carry diseases or anything.

They used to send kids home if they found a nit, but I don't think they do anymore, as long as the child is under treatment...

Now, where's my tea tree oil? *shiver*

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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:37:14 PM
I clicked on this thread to find out what "nits" are and now my head is itchy. *pours some brain bleach*




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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:45:35 PM
The schools I worked in didn't let kids come back with nits. The same kids seemed to get it over and over again though whether the nits were gone or not. I think some parents didn't understand de-lousing the whole house.



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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:46:15 PM
They don't send kids home for lice here anymore, just let people know there is an outbreak. The reasoning is they don't actually hurt you, and unless a kid shares am hat or something they won't jump off the kids head, and they take weeks to get rid of, and kids just can't miss that much school.

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Posted: 12/6/2012 10:55:38 PM
I think it's financial. Public schools only get funding for children who are *in* school. A nit-free policy wreaks havok with ADA funding and the schools are desperate.



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Posted: 12/6/2012 11:03:06 PM
At our school, you have to be lice and nit free. A hatched casing is not considered a nit. It is very easy to miss live lice and not seeing any does not mean someone is lice free.

I support this policy. I am not aware of any children missing weeks of school because of head lice or their educations being compromised. The most I have seen a child out with is a few days.

It's true that head lice are not a health hazard. But they can still cause discomfort for those who have them, and can require a great deal of time and sometimes some expense to deal with. And while the lice themselves are not a hazard, resultant scratching can cause sores or infections.

So I still believe that those who are potential carriers have a responsibility to not deliberately come to a public place where there is a chance their interactions with others will then spread the problem. And I support schools wanting to help ensure that other children are not knowingly put at additional risk by identified carriers.

And if it forces some parents to be more vigilant about dealing with the issue, and helps their child(ren) get relief more quickly, all the better. Having head lice is uncomfortable and irritating and not something any child should have to just deal with, just because it is not an immediate health concern.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 5:29:01 AM
"Resultz kills both.

Nits can be hatched; be dead inside, or be viable inside. Many different meanings. The glue can hold them on the shaft for years"


The above information is incorrect. My daughter just went through a bout of lice/nits with my granddaughter. She had her to the doctor for the second time. I was at the daycare when she picked up my granddaughter and the director was stating the same thing, that you cannot tell if the nits are alive or dead. Her doctor stated there is no such thing as "dead" nits. If they are on the hair shaft, they can hatch at any time.

I don't know how they cann hold onto the hairshaft for years, because my granddaughter was checked until they were all gone.

My daughter had to be diligent and go thru my granddaughter's hair every night and every am for like two to three weeks. They are buggers to kill in the winter months.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 5:37:02 AM
you have to be nit free to return to school here, they check the kids before letting them go back to class.. when my daughter had em it took HOURS per day working on just getting nits out,it was awful but I am glad they have a strict policy

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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:17:09 AM
OMG--my head is itching just reading this!

I thought kids had to be nit free to return to school. We thankfully never had an outbreak in any class my boys had, but I would swear that when it happened in another class the infected kid had to stay home until they were nit free. It was a big hullaballo because it happened near the state test times.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:02:25 AM
In our district the kids cannot come to school until all nits are gone.
They have to be checked in the health office before they're allowed back to class.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:10:25 AM
If the "nit" is more than 1/4 inch from the scalp, it is not viable and is probably an empty shell, also known as casings.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:11:11 AM

I think it's financial. Public schools only get funding for children who are *in* school. A nit-free policy wreaks havok with ADA funding and the schools are desperate.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 9:13:25 AM
Can we discuss the ways that tea tree oil is used to combat lice? My DDs have had two episodes already this year and I don't think the chemical stuff is doing anything anymore.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:18:32 AM

Can we discuss the ways that tea tree oil is used to combat lice? My DDs have had two episodes already this year and I don't think the chemical stuff is doing anything anymore.


I am not sure if tea tree oil combats the lice, but I think it prevents them. Tea tree oil shampoo/cond are very minty and tingly and if I remember right, the lice don't like the smell or something of it. My girls have had lice twice over the last couple years so it's all I use now!


They don't send kids home for lice here anymore, just let people know there is an outbreak. The reasoning is they don't actually hurt you, and unless a kid shares am hat or something they won't jump off the kids head, and they take weeks to get rid of, and kids just can't miss that much school.


And this is my thinking as well. It took forever to get all the nits out of my dd's hair the first time we had lice. just when I thought I got them all, a few more would pop up. Because her teacher didn't do anything about the infestation I think kids were re-infecting each other.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:32:40 AM

I support this policy. I am not aware of any children missing weeks of school because of head lice or their educations being compromised. The most I have seen a child out with is a few days.



Well I had a little girl in my kindergarten who missed over 50% of the year due to lice. And yes I called CPS more than once. Some parents just aren't willing to do the work it takes to get lice free.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 10:52:32 AM
Only one of my children has had headlice, and it was prior to the silicone treatment being available. I refuse to put chemicals on my kids hair and just used the wet-combing method that is very popular her.. It took about 2 weeks until he was fully clear. However the child who everyone believed had infected the other children never got treated, so the potential for re infection was there in any case. I carried on tooth combing his hair every day and still do, and he never caught them again: the truth is that regular tooth combing not only removes the blighters,but often it damages any lice present and once they are damaged they are unlikely to lay any eggs.

When I was health visiting I used to encourage all the families to toothcomb regularly, at least every other day, and the incidence of head lice dropped dramatically in 3 schools afterwe did a lot of health ed to the parents and showed them how to properly wet comb, using conditioner and parting the hair methodically.

There is no policy to exclude children with head lice or nits in any of the schools locally here.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:09:13 AM
Thankfully, our school has a no-nits policy. And, if a child in a grade has lice a letter goes out to the parents of every other child in the grade - no identifying information, just, 'a student in your child's grade has been diagnosed'. It is the same letter we get with strep. I lice-comb my kids every time we get one of those letters.


Well I had a little girl in my kindergarten who missed over 50% of the year due to lice. And yes I called CPS more than once. Some parents just aren't willing to do the work it takes to get lice free.


And their unwillingness to do the work should no become my problem. Sorry to sound like a bitch, but each of my three kids have gotten lice in the last few years. In one case, we were the source of the class outbreak after my son came home from camp and we didn't realize he had brought the little buggers home with him. Yes, it is a major pain in the ass to comb through their hair, often for days on end, and to bag up every pillow, blanket and stuffed animal in the house, but it goes with the parental territory.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:10:04 AM
I just talked my school nurse about this last week. The CDC or State Health Dept (can't remember which she said) has relaxed their rules on children being in school with nits and lice but left it up the discretion of the school to decide where we draw the line. Our school says a few nits here and there are ok, but she refuses kids with live lice. It's not deadly but the grossness factor is not something she's willing to subject the kids to.
When my kids and this same nurse were at the public school we had a student in DS12's class that had lice for 4 months. The mom was treating the hair on the one child but not the other 2 kids and the furniture, bedding, stuffed toys, etc. The mom had no idea she needed to treat the furnishings. The nurse finally had to personally go over there and show the mom how to treat the house.

As soon as we get confirmation thee is lice at school I stop washing my kids hair and we use coconut oil to keep the nits from sticking. Knock on wood, we have never had lice in our house.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:17:40 AM
I just went through this hell.

Last Wednesday I discovered my 9 year old had lice and bad, how I didn't know, she wasn't itching etc... she had a rash on the back of her neck but she had scarlet fever, which causes a rash. So I just didn't know.

I went out got RID. A robi comb which I highly highly reccomend, it's pricey but it kills the live lice by zapping them.
My process in getting rid of the lice

I cleaned everything, vaccumed, bagged, sprayed 3 cans of lice disinfectant over everything.

I combed my DD's hair 2 times a day times 2 hours each from Wed when she got it through Sunday. One night I smeared mayo all over her head, put her head in a shower cap and left it in there for 8 hours then washed and combed out with vinegar.

I don't need to retreat because the robi comb will get anything should it hatch but I think we got it all. I was dedicated 12 hours a day from Wed-Sunday getting it all out....

here is what upset me. My DD was out for a week due to lice and scarlet fever. When she could return that following Monday, I took her to the nurse to have her check her head just to make sure she didn't see anything. The nurse wasn't there! for 2 days and they let DD go back. My thinking is, she should be cleared to come back.

I now make her wear her hair up in a ponytail at school from now on. I never want to go through this hell again!

ETA: Oh and my daughter has white blonde hair. The lice were easy to see but the nits ugh








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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:25:21 AM
Kids here aren't allowed in school with nits (that I know of). How does putting their hair up combat the issue?

Dang it, now my head is itching like crazy!


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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:25:52 AM
I also made my DD wear a shower cap the entire time we were treating so as not to spread to the other kids in the house. Knock on wood, no one else has gotten it but sadly me and I only had a few.








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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:36:30 AM
This is getting me itching at the thought. Nits are a major nightmare for us as myself, ds's dad and ds all have dreads and, when he was younger, the school constantly had them going round. Mainly from kids with larger families as they were just getting passed back and forth.

After spending a fortune on chemical nit treatments that don't always work I tried the old remedy of neem oil and it is FANTASTIC!!!!

I made a spray up with cheap vodka, neem oil, tea tree oil and lavender oil and sprayed all of our hair with it and the little buggers never went near us again.

You can also buy neem oil conditioner which makes the hair really shiny and they don't like that either.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:45:49 AM
Wth?
I would be "pea livid" if I found out our school knowingly let kids with any form of lice attend school!
I have with with school nurse about dds vision - I'm going to ask.
This makes no sense to subject other children. None. The child with lice can do independent study work until cleared - rather than infect others and their families - causing them to miss school/work and medical expenses.:

Eta to add that me, my mediate family -parents, siblings, and my own children have been lucky enough to never have lice. I have only known of 1 incident at their school over the years - and praying we never go through this. I'm itchy and sleeved out just thinking about it


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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:37:35 PM

Wth?
I would be "pea livid" if I found out our school knowingly let kids with any form of lice attend school!



Whoa, easy Tiger. If the "nit" is more than 1/4 inch from the scalp, it is not a nit, it is a casing. There is a difference between a live nit and an empty egg case.

Here is a 9 page pdf right from the American Academy of Pediatrics.

AAP article on head lice

On page 641-642, read the section about "Criteria for return to school".

and here is the position paper of the National Assn for School Nurses regarding "no nit" policies.

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"It is the position of the National Association of School Nurses that the management of pediculosis (infestation by head lice) should not disrupt the educational process. No disease is associated with head lice, and in-school transmission is considered to be rare. When transmission occurs, it is generally found among younger-age children with increased head-to-head contact (Frankowski & Bocchini, 2010). "

and

"In 2007, international guidelines established for effective control of head lice infestations reinforced that policies that required a student to be free of nits to attend school, known as 'no nit' policies, were based on misinformation rather than objective science and were therefore unjust and should be discontinued (Mumcuoglu et. al., 2007).

The CDC (2010) cites the following reasons to discontinue 'no nit' policies in school:

--Many nits are more than 1/4 inch from the scalp. Such nits are usually not viable and unlikely to hatch to become crawling lice, or may in fact be empty shells, also known as casings.

--Nits are cemented to hair shafts and unlikely to be transferred successfully to other people.

--The burden of unnecessary absenteeism to the students, families and communities far outweighs the risks associated with head lice.

--Misdiagnosis of nits is very common during nit checks conducted by nonmedical personnel. "



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Posted: 12/7/2012 12:50:18 PM
As a parent, that would make me angry too!


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Posted: 12/7/2012 1:15:46 PM
The 2 times I dealt with lice we successfully used olive oil to treat the girls. Both had long thick hair at the time too.

First I sat out on our deck with a pair of tiny craft scissors and went through the hair a tiny section at a time. I cut off each piece that had a nit. My thinking was why try to pull it off when they have plenty of hair and this ensures the nit is gone. Took about an hour.

Then we saturated the hair in olive oil (make it totally wet) and covered the head for a few hours (ideally overnight if the kid can stand it). Meanwhile we bagged all stuffed animals and they lived in the garage for 2 weeks (in FL where it's 100 degrees in the garage). Wash all bedding too and vac well.

Then I went through the oiled hair section by section with the nit comb in case I missed any in step one (despite my effort I did find a few).

I washed the oil out of the hair (added a bit of Dawn to normal shampoo) and blew the hair DRY!

I still wasn't satisfied and refused to waste time on this again so as a last resort after the blow dry we played beauty shop and I flat ironed the hair tiny section by tiny section. I figured if there was anything left behind I was going to fry it.

I did these steps on each of my girls who both have had lice once, 2 years apart and both times I was done after that day of time and small amount of money invested. Bonus is it's chemical free (have an asthmatic who can't be exposed to RID anyway).

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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:40:28 PM

--Nits are cemented to hair shafts and unlikely to be transferred successfully to other people.


It is not the transference of the 'nits' that is the issue. It is the fact that a viable nit (and if there is one, there are likely going to be more) once hatched, becomes a nymph and then an adult louse capable of procreating.

It is easy to tell the difference between a nit and a casing. A casing is whitish and dry. An unhatched nit is shiny looking, and when set against something like a white tissue or piece of paper, you can see the unhatched louse inside as a black speck.

I have no problems with a policy that allows for casings in the hair. But a potentially viable nit, that is most likely going to hatch and become an adult louse...which is then transferable...should not be allowed.

Setting aside the consequences to other students, the individual child deserves not to have to deal with head lice and to have nits removed from their hair. Even if it is thought that 'maybe' the nits are not viable (because the possibility is that they might be).

As for the child who was out of school for half the year, at least at that point it would indicate that there might be a bigger problem, and that social services might need to be involved. Or at the bare minimum that family might be able to access some kind of health unit services.

Is it really better to have that poor child in school, infested with head lice all of the time? What a terrible, uncomfortable thing. How well are they are going to be able to concentrate and how much learning are they going to do when they are constantly distracted by lice moving all over their scalp?

Head lice is most likely going to be caught where there are large groups of (especially young) children congregating and in an atmosphere where their heads are likely to touch on occasion. To say that school is not a likely venue for transference makes no sense to me. It is one of the 'prime' locations where children contract head lice.


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