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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:13:58 AM
So was anyone else kind of "weirded out" by Sheldon suggesting that he spank Amy to "punish her" for deceiving him?

First of all, I thought it was a funny story line that Amy kept acting sick because she enjoyed having Sheldon take care of her. And Sheldon showed that he did care about her, even if she did have to invoke their written agreement to get him to help out at first.

But the whole "you lied to me and must be punished" idea, followed by physical punishment is just too much like a domestic abuse situation to be funny to me. I know they were making it seem absurd, but the idea that he punished her because he somehow had the "right" to do it didn't sit well with me. And then to have Amy "enjoy" the spanking . . . ewww!

I LOVE the BBT most of the time, but I absolutely HATE the sexual weirdness they inject into the Sheldon/Amy storyline.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:19:33 AM
I didn't even take that angle to it. Actually, I had to read your post a couple times and think of the kicker to really see it your way.

It was more of a 'this is what my dad did about lying so it must be the only punishment' thing. You know how black and white the character is. There's no other way than the way he knows.

And of course, it fits the whole obsession with sex thing that Amy has. Any time he can somewhat emulate what a real boyfriend does, she takes advantage. I love the "sexual weirdness" as you call it, because they make his character so oblivious to what's happening. And I love that she just runs with it. I think that's what makes that character pairing work. It would be pretty boring by now if they kept doing the same thing as they did when they first introduced her into the series.

Dunno. I was laughing through the credits at the scene.

ETA: Not to mention, the Sheldon character isn't portrayed as violent. He plays violent video games but in his "real life", the character has never really shown a violent streak. An evil, mind-game streak... definitely. Physically violent? I can't think of one. I'm not sure it's in the character's nature.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:19:47 AM
Yep, I totally agree with you! I hope they don't turn an excellent show into a "2 and a half men" or "Two Broke Girls" copy. Aren't they all made by the same producers?

Enjoyed the rest of the storylines though. Especially Howard's interaction with his new father-in-law! And Bernadette's mom reminds me of someone...who??




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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:22:30 AM
Well, considering that Sheldon related it to what he learned from his father, no. If he had come up with it on his own, a little.

Amy Farrah Fowler is so wild about Sheldon and he is so 'arms length' that I think any touch from him is exciting to her.

And let's face it, plenty of people use spanking in one form or another in their sex lives.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:55:09 AM

Enjoyed the rest of the storylines though. Especially Howard's interaction with his new father-in-law! And Bernadette's mom reminds me of someone...who??


Bernadette's mother reminded me of Amy's mother on Everybody Loves Raymond.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 7:56:28 AM
I didn't really like that storyline, but not because of abuse. Abuse never entered my mind.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:13:16 AM

I LOVE the BBT most of the time, but I absolutely HATE the sexual weirdness they inject into the Sheldon/Amy storyline.


But it wouldn't be Sheldon and Amy if it wasn't WEIRD, especially the sex part!

I didn't make any sort of connection to domestic abuse, knowing the characters. That's not to say in any other show, with any other characters, that it couldn't go that way ....

It definitely wasn't one of my favorite episodes, though. Just so-so.

After last week's episode over the whole parking spot drama, it was kind of just ho-hum.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:26:21 AM

Bernadette's mother reminded me of Amy's mother on Everybody Loves Raymond.
Yes! That's who!! Thanks! It was bugging me! LOL!




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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:39:00 AM
I agree with Grinning Cat. And I thought his speech to her about how he cared for her was very sweet!

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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:39:24 AM
I agree -- excluding the domestic abuse consideration -- I thought it was too derivative of the 50 Shades/SM angle. I'm tired of Amy's weird sexual response to Penny and Sheldon. It diminishes the show and my previous interest is lagging. Which is too bad because all the other stuff in that episode was funny -- the boys gagging about the fish, etc.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:45:55 AM

I hope they don't turn an excellent show into a "2 and a half men"


Me, too. I used to love this show. The first two seasons were the best of any show I've seen. Really outstanding. But Sheldon and Amy are getting ridiculous and more than that, it gives me the heebie jeebies (or the jeebie jeebies, as Raj says!).

I loved Penny showing the boys about fishing and I thought it great to hear their sad dad tales. I really, really liked Howard's interaction with his FIL - it was the funniest I've ever seen Howard, but the Shamy stuff is just OTT.

I do not want/need to know that stuff.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 8:58:24 AM
I think the show has always had a funny sexual overtone. I mean, Raj and Howard, Leonard's Mom and Sheldon, Sheldon and his Mom issues, Leonard and his Mom issues, Howard and his Mom issues, Penny and her Daddy issues (and all her boyfriends), Amy and her obsession with Penny, etc. etc.

I mean, why would we think that the brainiacs, and those on the spectrum, would have any less issues in their perception of their sexuality? I also think it was a bit of a 50 Shades thing. Poor Sheldon, with his inability to properly process the relationships in his life does really weird stuff with the relationships that were the closest to him. Look at his interactions with his Mom?

Anyway, I enjoyed lasts night episode overall. I think they're taking us deeper into the characters because frankly, the show has been on the air long enough and we know a lot about Sheldon. This is a new area to explore.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:27:12 AM
Last weeks was way better!!

It was more this

Amy Farrah Fowler is so wild about Sheldon and he is so 'arms length' that I think any touch from him is exciting to her.


she's trying to get affection wherever she can get!





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Posted: 12/7/2012 11:37:28 AM
Honestly, op, I think comparing adult spanking to physical abuse is beyond ridiculous.

Spanking is so common it's not even "naughty" anymore.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 2:50:16 PM
Myshelly, it wasn't the "spanking" itself. It was the very serious statement that "you lied to me so you must be punished". Like that is okay.

It's okay to tell a S/O that you are upset that she lied, that you no longer trust her, that if it happens again you'll have to rethink the relationship, that you feel used, etc. It is NOT okay for one partner to believe that he has the right to "discipline" the other partner, no matter how badly s/he behaved.

I could have bought it if Sheldon had said, "This is a violation of our relationship agreement. Now we have to figure out a consequence", because that would be more in line with his personality. The whole "punishment or discipline" angle with respect to another adult is what bothered me the most.

As for the spanking, I realize many people are into it. I just think it is a bit "icky" for an 8:00 show. There are a lot of kids who watch this (mine included, but only after I have watched it and let it remain on the DVR--sometimes they get deleted for inappropriate content), and it is shown at very early times in reruns. I don't see where this adds anything to the show. The rest of the show was very funny, as it usually is, and my girls would have enjoyed it. I just don't feel the need to explain "adult spanking for sexual gratification" to my 13 year olds.

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Posted: 12/7/2012 2:53:39 PM

As for the spanking, I realize many people are into it. I just think it is a bit "icky" for an 8:00 show. There are a lot of kids who watch this (mine included, but only after I have watched it and let it remain on the DVR--sometimes they get deleted for inappropriate content), and it is shown at very early times in reruns. I don't see where this adds anything to the show. The rest of the show was very funny, as it usually is, and my girls would have enjoyed it. I just don't feel the need to explain "adult spanking for sexual gratification" to my 13 year olds.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:00:49 PM
Unless they are very naive I'm pretty sure your 13 yr olds already get it.

And BBT has never been marketed as a kids' show. I don't see how this could be offensive to anyone.




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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:02:17 PM
Uh, the spanking scene was a little awkward, I admit. But mostly because I know my son watches the show and I kept thinking about him watching that scene.

But the connection between the scene and abuse? That didn't even cross my mind a little bit.

It's part of their characters and if you think about it is representative of both of them.

Amy has always been a horny little thing...she even made passes at Penny early on.

And Sheldon grew up in a disciplined home with a hardcore religious mom.

I thought the scene made perfect humorous, if not a bit uncomfortable, sense.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:09:48 PM
People spank each other in sexual situations is pretty common place. I don't think anyone I know would think of that as "abuse". What makes it funny is how clueless Sheldon is.

They are totally amping up to a Sheldon/Amy sexual relationship - I suspect it will be at least a year before that happens, and sheldon will be drunk. LOL.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:18:07 PM
I agree the spanking didn't do anything for me, but I did love the way that Sheldon was being so caring, and cracked up about the Vapo-Rub.



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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:19:51 PM
DH and I thought it was funny and we would never watch 2 1/2 men so I think it has a long way to go. Now if each week they did something like this then maybe not going to be good. I loved Penny showing Howard how to fish. That was cute.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:22:16 PM
I was cracking up during that scene. And the first thing that came to mind is FIFTY SHADES OF SHELDON! lmao


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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:24:13 PM

And BBT has never been marketed as a kids' show. I don't see how this could be offensive to anyone.

I don't care if it is marketed as a kids' show or not. It is shown in prime time on network TV. Kids ARE going to watch. When the show first came on, it was very kid friendly--not exactly G, but nothing that made you wince if your kids were in the room.

We have always DVR'd it because it does occassionally cross a line that isn't appropriate. Lately, that has happened more and more frequently.


But the connection between the scene and abuse? That didn't even cross my mind a little bit.
So you would be okay with any other adult couple on TV having this discussion about discipline? Amy may be "wild" about Sheldon, but she is also extremely intelligent and has managed to make her way through life as an independent woman up until this point. I don't care if they are "funny" characters, it really bothers me that this independent, intelligent woman would let her hormones control her to the point that she is going to let Sheldon punish her for lying. It's like she will do anything to get his attention to the point of letting him be in total control of the relationship.

I love Sheldon, but he is self-absorbed and selfish. When Amy first asked him to take care of her, he didn't want to and admitted the only reason the illness clause was in the relationship agreement was so that she could take care of him, not the other way around. He came back later, though, and said he would care for her because it was in the agreement and because he was fond of her (or something like that). I thought that was touching. And if they had kept his reaction to her lies as a "breach of the contract" issue, I think it would have been funny.

If you have ever known anyone in an abusive relationship, you know that the "punishment" aspect of those relationships is pretty ugly. One adult in the relationship should never be "superior" to the other and therefore in a positition to hand out punishments. A very good friend of mine has a husband who will "punish" her for spending too much money on herself. He takes away her "allowance" for a couple of weeks if she buys something without his permission. The sad thing is, she doesn't see anything wrong with this and thinks she deserves it. I have seen her agonize over a $2 purchase because she is afraid of what her DH will think. And for the record, he makes six figures, so it isn't like they have to watch all their pennies. I find it all so sad.

To each his own in the humor department, though. I found last night's episode to be funny except for this part. Maybe it just hits a little too close to home.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:28:07 PM
Amy cracks me up and I thought her lying to get attention and get touched was hysterical. I never went anywhere near abuse. Sheldon is so black and white and so asexual that I don't think he knows that people could get turned on my spanking - he was simply going by what he knows.

The show has always had sexual content - Penny and Leonard, Howard and anything that moved, Raj when he was drunk...

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Posted: 12/7/2012 3:32:28 PM

Bernadette's mother reminded me of Amy's mother on Everybody Loves Raymond.
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Posted: 12/7/2012 4:12:05 PM
I didn't pick up on any abuse/dominance undertones but maybe I missed it... I remember Sheldon saying something to the effect that when he was a child and did something wrong he'd get spanked as punishment... I guess I interpreted that to mean that his suggestion about spanking was because he was taking on the nurturing role (caring for Amy when she was sick) and continued in the role (as he knew it, as it was done to him) when it came time to discipline/punish her... He said something about the punishment needing to fit the crime to explain why he thought spanking was the correct consequence... I guess if I over think it, I could see the issue of corporal punishment - but I don't think there was enough there to say that it was being promoted or sensationalised... I really took it as a one off situation between two people who are known for their different interpretations and views of social issues... If it became a theme to their relationship I might take more notice or be bothered by it... I'm still more creeped out by all the 'self love' Howard participated in for all those years - soaped up in the bathtub with a washcloth, the robot arm stuck to him...lol

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Posted: 12/7/2012 4:15:07 PM
I thought it was hilarious. The whole Sheldon is just so clueless kind of thing.


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Posted: 12/7/2012 4:21:11 PM

I don't care if it is marketed as a kids' show or not. It is shown in prime time on network TV. Kids ARE going to watch. When the show first came on, it was very kid friendly




I'm just so tired of this argument. Prime time tv doesn't have to be completely clean just bc your kids might see it. It's an adult show. Kids ARE going to watch it IF you let them. If you don't think it's appropriate then don't let them. The rest of the world doesn't have to be kid proof.

They might catch onto a little sexual suggestion <ohthehorrors>


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Posted: 12/7/2012 5:03:42 PM

In the pilot episode they are first seen at a sperm bank and Sheldon tells Penny (I think) that for fun they "masturbate for money". That was the first episode ever, so I don't think it is or ever was a show to let your kids watch.


EXACTLY.

Not to mention the fact that Howard makes sexual jokes in every single episode.

And there have been sex scenes between Leonard and Penny/Leonard and his other girlfriends.




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Posted: 12/7/2012 6:15:27 PM
Here's a thought... monitor the television your kids watch.


And Sheldon grew up in a disciplined home with a hardcore religious mom.


That is it- playing up the storyline of very conservative, southern, religious parenting. I think I like Sheldon's mom so much because she reminds me of my own Mom. Racial cluelessness and everything!



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Posted: 12/7/2012 6:23:49 PM

So you would be okay with any other adult couple on TV having this discussion about discipline? Amy may be "wild" about Sheldon, but she is also extremely intelligent and has managed to make her way through life as an independent woman up until this point. I don't care if they are "funny" characters, it really bothers me that this independent, intelligent woman would let her hormones control her to the point that she is going to let Sheldon punish her for lying. It's like she will do anything to get his attention to the point of letting him be in total control of the relationship.



I think you need to step back a little bit and relax. Or stop watching the show.
You're seriously overthinking it. It's just a comedy, about a bunch of socially awkward people that are really just like the rest of us... which is what makes it funny.


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I think you need to step back a little bit and relax. Or stop watching the show.
You're seriously overthinking it. It's just a comedy, about a bunch of socially awkward people that are really just like the rest of us... which is what makes it funny.

I agree with this. I thought it was very funny and not at all suggestive of abuse or true violence. Also loved Penny teaching the boys how to clean a fish, and Howard and his FIL sort of coming to an understanding at the end.

It's definitely time for the characters to move on and grow up a bit.

And I wouldn't want to let younger kids watch this show. There is implied sex or outright sexual activity in virtually every episode. I'd be too embarrassed if I had to explain it all to an 11YO. High school kids should be fine with it.


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Posted: 12/8/2012 6:11:12 AM

Myshelly, it wasn't the "spanking" itself. It was the very serious statement that "you lied to me so you must be punished". Like that is okay.

It's okay to tell a S/O that you are upset that she lied, that you no longer trust her, that if it happens again you'll have to rethink the relationship, that you feel used, etc. It is NOT okay for one partner to believe that he has the right to "discipline" the other partner, no matter how badly s/he behaved.

I could have bought it if Sheldon had said, "This is a violation of our relationship agreement. Now we have to figure out a consequence", because that would be more in line with his personality. The whole "punishment or discipline" angle with respect to another adult is what bothered me the most
You are really over thinking it and I think you need to stop watching the show because it's never been a squeaking clean show. As other have mentioned, IT STARTED IN A SPERM BANK, for crying out loud. How did you explain that to your kids?

And you obviously missed the line that Sheldon said where his father said there was only one punishment for lying, and that was spanking. So he had no choice, it was the only option.

And no matter how "independent" or "intelligent" you may think Amy is, she's a girl with a boyfriend who is clueless. Sure, she's going to let him spank her, it's obviously a turn on. And he doesn't get that. And that is funny shit. Really funny shit.

But I go back to what I started this with, I think you need to stop watching the show if you're getting that kind of reaction and you think it should be clean for kids to watch. It's not a kids show. It's never been a kids show. It never will be a kids show. Adult story lines have been a part of the show since day one (again, they started in a sperm bank and Howard was a horndog from the first time we met him). So to say that the first couple of seasons of Big Bang were cleaner and okay for kids is not even close to accurate.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 7:26:59 AM
Nope, I wasn't weirded out at all. In fact, I never had a notion that it was anything other than Sheldon saying that's what he thought the punishment was for lying and Amy enjoying the "punishment". You are way over reading into the show.

And I completely disagree that this show is for kids at all. For the numerous reason everyone else has so kindly pointed out, it's not meant for kids at all.


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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:05:53 AM
This show is definitely not a kids show. I have never let my youngest watch it. Every show has some kind of sexual innuendo or overtones.

I think way too much is being read into last weeks episode. I just don't think that hard when I am watching BBT

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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:22:25 AM
I loved it. Like others have said, it was just so Sheldon. I never related it to abuse in any way. It was mildly uncomfortable watching him spank her but I was laughing so hard I had tears rolling...she acted that scene so well!


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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:31:32 AM
OP, I think you're reaching. I don't get the fascination with taking a TV show, especially a comedy, and trying to make it some far more than what it is. It's a *TV* show for Pete's sake. Not 60 minutes or a PBS show like Frontline. It's meant to entertain, not wax poetic about life in general.

The episode was funny. I adore Amy Farrah Fowler. I hope they don't change a darn thing.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:32:18 AM
I thought it was hilarious. Mayim Balik is great as AFF.


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Posted: 12/8/2012 8:53:45 AM
I, too, think too much is being made of the spanking. Men on the sports field spank each other, men pop their wives rear in a teasing manner. There are films from the 50's that have spanking....look at McClintock and Kiss Me Kate posters.

Like others, I think the entire scene was a combination of Sheldon's simplistic thinking and Amy's desire just to be touched by Sheldon. That's what made it funny. I think it's silly for grown men to pat each other on the butt on the football field, but I'm don't make anything of it...nor do I make anything of this, other than it was funny.

And if my DH suggested spanking...he would be sleeping by himself in a hotel room...not even our couch. LOL


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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:25:33 AM

And let's face it, plenty of people use spanking in one form or another in their sex lives.



Spanking is so common it's not even "naughty" anymore.



I just don't feel the need to explain "adult spanking for sexual gratification" to my 13 year olds.

****Unless they are very naive I'm pretty sure your 13 yr olds already get it.****



Color me naive. WOW.. I must live under a rock.
The only spanking my children know is when they
get in trouble. And I honestly still think spanking
in the bedroom is naughty, and in conversation
would invoke me to blush. I can't imagine it's as
common as you all think.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:46:25 AM
Ya, this one was weird and I was a little uncomfortable watching it with my 14yo

They went too far


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Posted: 12/8/2012 9:58:54 AM
I didn't see the episode, but I bet it was just a joke.

This isn't what you are asking, I am rambling here, but I will say that I think it's wrong that society acts like it's ok for women to hit men (even jokingly) yet not for men to hit women (jokingly). I don't like double standards, so I would say it's just as wrong for women to hit men as for men to hit women. I have three girls and they know that they do not hit boys (or girls).

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Posted: 12/8/2012 2:53:53 PM
I was in tears during this episode! Sheldon and Amy's relationship makes me laugh...he is just so clueless!

I think it is an absolute stretch to try to equate his actions to abuse, especially if you look at his upbringing and her constant desire for any kind of sexual behavior.

And there is absolutely no way that TBBT is a kids show. I don't think there has been one episode that hasn't had a sexual innuendo.

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Posted: 12/8/2012 5:29:35 PM
I thought the whole episode was hilarious! The vaporub thing was so, so funny...but the look on Amy's face when she realized Sheldon was going to spank her had me laughing hysterically. DH and I have been saying that if Sheldon does ever "engage in coitus", the show will have to end because his head will explode.


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