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I think they are a storied, wealthy family that in times past were key players. Today I think they are interesting, spoiled rotten celebs. I'm mildly interested in Kate and William. I admire Queen Elizabeth. She sacrificed and served her country in WWII. However, I think the new generation is akin to Paris Hilton, the Vanderbilts, DuPont's, etc. I read that Prince Charles had 130 people on his staff. WTH? 130???? He seems to be Old money with little connection to his "subjects".
I don't think the monarchy should be cast aside but it seems to become less relevant by the day. | |
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In many ways, I agree. I think that Prince Charles' idea to limit the "family" to the heir and his family is right on.
Prince Andrew and his girls need to be self-supporting, as Princess Anne's children are. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 2:35:12 PM
Meh, Canadians and Brits are always commenting here on issues that have solely to do with the US. I don't see any problem with voicing opinions on what goes on in those countries.
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Nightowl scrapper
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I think as long as the taxpayers of Britain are okay with their royal family, it's none of my business.
They're an institution, a tradition, it's up to their people to say if they are spoiled, out of date, too costly (I've read that they actually cost less than our President, but I digress).
I would not be happy with people from other countries saying we're crazy to leave the President living and working in a drafty 200 year old mansion. I would not be happy with them saying we're complete idiots for allowing people to privately own guns. I would not be happy with them saying we are wasting money on enormous public forests.
The priorities and institutions of one country are not the business of people outside that country, as long as what the first country chooses to do does not directly impact the rest of the world.
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The monarchy is relevant today, as it is attached to our Government.
Canada is a member of the commonwealth and the Governor General is the head of our Government.
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All I know is that when William and Kate visited Calgary the summer before last it was huge ... people camped over night to get tickets to events hoping for just a glimpse of them ... my dd's and I were there to see them at the Stampede Parade!
I think that when it comes to charity work and other philanthropical things they play a visible role ... culturally, they are part of the British heritage and do bring in tourist dollars ...
I think this new generation of Royals is trying to make sure that people see them as normal ... William and Harry are very serious about their military careers ...
It will be interesting to see what the future holds ...
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I think as long as the taxpayers of Britain are okay with their royal family, it's none of my business.
This pretty much sums it up for me.
And I'd say the royals are way more relevant than people like the Kardashians, Snookie, or Honeybooboo. | |
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Not relevant to me at all.....seems the Americans love all that crap when they come over here though, so it brings the money in.
They seem to help sales of papers over here as well and bring in a couple of feel good stories a year, so I suppose that's OK.
The reason that so many of us 'outsiders' comment on what is happening in the US is that it affects us so much. If you can not (or will not) see that, it isn't for me to try to change your ignorance of worldwide affairs, Lauren.
As for things that you feel 'only' affect the US, you are right - I have little interest in (for example) your gun laws, to be honest, because the way in which you deal with those are more likely to fuck you up than fuck me up. | |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 2:53:46 PM
Canada is a member of the commonwealth and the Governor General is the head of our Government.
Technically, our Head of Government is Stephen Harper, our Head of State is Queen Elizabeth II and the Queen's representative is (Governor General) David Lloyd Johnston. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 2:57:53 PM
And yet again we have someone who can't stick to the discussion but feels the need for unprovoked personal attacks. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 2:57:56 PM
As for things that you feel 'only' affect the US, you are right - I have little interest in (for example) your gun laws, to be honest, because the way in which you deal with those are more likely to fuck you up than fuck me up.
US gun laws only affect Canada insofar as the US is a major source of illegal guns here. Otherwise, have at 'er. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 3:07:29 PM
Hardly a personal attack against one who has consistently said she does not care for international affairs which do not directly involve or concern the US,therefore I can only conclude that you are ignorant of those, Lauren.
I do not comment on issues that SOLELY concern the US - you have at it for yourselves and prove to the rest of us once again why you can be both so arrogant and ignorant as to the issues that DIRECTLY affect your OWN society.
Thankfully others, whether or not I agree with them directly, are more able to engage in intelligent debate.
I'm out with you once again. | |
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They are relevant to me and my children because they are part of the rich heritage and history that we are so very proud of here. I see no comparison with so called celebs like the Kardashians at all. They bring a huge amount of tourism and money into my home town, London. I am proud of my Queen and would be very upset if the Royal Family was suddenly taken from us- most of the people I know are proud of the Royal family. My husband and his first wife both worked for the Royal Family at different times, as did my father in law, and they are real people at the end of the day. I think unless you have the long history we have here going back many hundreds of years you couldn't really appreciate what they mean to many British people. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 3:17:23 PM
Does the British Royal Family impact anyone outside of the Commonwealth? Do the practices affect you, or your country?
I care about what other countries do when it has a far-reaching effect. I don't care about traditions of other countries if they don't impact me or humanity in any way.
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Relevant enough to the people that matter, which funnily enough doesn't include you- old pea new name.
I'm waiting for the third thread of the day to pop up anytime now!
You've had a pop at the National Health Service
Now you're having a pop at the Royal Family.........
next???????
ETA to clarify.
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Some British people would probably agree with you but I'm with UkSue. They are popular and relevant to the majority and they evoke huge loyalty and respect and truly, are nothing like the Kardashians!! They are important to our tourist industry as well as working incredibly hard for numerous charities......I for one think we'd be infinitely poorer without them.
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 3:33:21 PM
Hardly a personal attack against one who has consistently said she does not care for international affairs which do not directly involve or concern the US,therefore I can only conclude that you are ignorant of those, Lauren.
And there is the quintessential result of ASSuming. Being against US involvment in foreign matters can in no way be said to be the equivalent of a lack of knowledge about those matters. I think you know that the two are not equivalent and that your comment was indeed meant to be a personal attack. If your response now is to avoid me, then I think that's best. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 4:01:45 PM
Well sticking to the topic:
As an Australian I believe we should become a republic and break away from the Queen being our head of state.
There has been much debate about this over the years and was even a referendum a few years ago over this. The model proposed was very flawed (the reason I believe it did not pass).
I will happily drink a toast to the Queen of England, read the gossip, enjoy the history and pomp that goes with it all. I will not drink a toast to the Queen of Australia.
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 4:21:52 PM
does the royal family actually DO anything besides support charities? just curious. it doesn't seem like they lead or do anything like our president does. I guess my question is do they have any power at all? | |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 4:54:55 PM
They have no relevance to me, but I'm a republican. I realise they are very popular with others and can't deny they are a popular tourist draw. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 5:16:05 PM
I see the British Royal Family as a living historical reality show, which can be used positively or negatively. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 5:27:43 PM
They are relevant to their subjects, and a whole lot more relevant than the pope, another vestige of antiquity.
As long as little girls dream of being Disney Princesses, the Royal Family will be relevant. But I don't agree only the heir should benefit by an accident of birth. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 7:59:06 PM
I don't need to be British to appreciate the Royal Family: the history of what they represent is beyond the individual "occupants" of the respective titles. | |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 8:13:20 PM
As a child of two British immigrants and as a proud Canadian citizen, I can say they are relevant and important to me. Certainly, not everyone feels this way.
I see them as part of a rich history and hardly comparable to Snooki or the Kardashians. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 8:24:48 PM
I think the way you phrased the question was incredibly disrespectful, rude and narrow minded. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 9:22:29 PM
Here's an American who LOVES the British family. I love British literature and history.
I admire England that it managed to find democracy without the bloodshed of France.
I admire Britain for its staggering beauty. Its museums. The fact that Brits have no trouble with dogs everywhere. The fact that Brits can "do" gardening better than anyone else.
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 9:24:27 PM
The food now......oh well, no one is perfect
Oh I don't know. I've made my way through England several times living on meat pies in pubs, fish and chips and scones with clotted cream and jam. Yum. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 9:59:58 PM
At least they try and do some good with their lives, unlike the Kardashians.
I am an American so they ate not relevant to mr at all. But I enjoy a good royals story. |
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| Posted: 1/20/2013 10:19:26 PM
I think the way you phrased the question was incredibly disrespectful, rude and narrow minded.
It is coming from old pea new name aka Sammel, so...
They do not affect me, and my tax dollars do not support them, so I have no say whatsoever.
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 12:10:55 AM
...WAIT A MINUTE WAIT A MINUTE...
Honey Boo Boo is NOT relevant?!!
Dude, you better get your Boo ON!
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 12:20:23 AM
As a US citizen, I find them quite interesting.
I don't pay for their upkeep, though.
So I leave it to their countrymen to determine their relevance.
I find your question quite odd, really. |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 12:34:40 AM
I think like all celebrities, they have the opportunity to use their resources and fame to help others. As an American I can't really comment about much more than that. |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 12:46:57 AM
I don't think they are- their roles aren't what they once were. These days it's about notoriety and wealth. I don't get the hoopla, we are all just people after all |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 1:06:15 AM
British people already threw out hereditary privilege once in their history -- it is called the USA.
Those who liked it stayed in Britain.
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Fraidyscrapper
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 3:43:31 AM
British people already threw out hereditary privilege once in their history -- it is called the USA.
Those who liked it stayed in Britain.
So the discussion already happened.
I don't understand. Are you saying that the rest of the island is consigned to live frozen in the 18th century because they didn't vote with their feet? |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 3:54:06 AM
I think like all celebrities,
Nit picking maybe, but they're not celebrities!
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 4:25:03 AM
Very relevant.
I am Scottish, I want Scotland to be free but that is another story. The Monarchy are not relevant in everyday life but we like them there.
To compare the Kardashians and the Hiltons to our Royal Family is quite insulting.
When I say very relevant, I mean that as a Country we celebrated Queen Elizabeths Diamond Jubilee and the marriage of William and Kate. Some celebrated with street parties but as a whole the country celebrated. Not all people joined in but it was a good time for Britain.
The Royal Family work hard for charities, they have a long history and the younger Royals are nothing like Snookie. All of them have real jobs earning real money.
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 4:40:33 AM
They cost the tax-payer about 70p per year. I don't mind paying that
The Queen wasn't born to the role but she has dedicated her entire life to the job and the fact she is still doing so long past retirement age is something to be proud of IMO.
I would much rather that she represents our country - entertaining heads of state/ world leaders etc - than the Prime Minister.
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Dalai Mama
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 7:50:04 AM
British people already threw out hereditary privilege once in their history -- it is called the USA.
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 7:55:56 AM
While they don't have the political relevance they once had, I do believe they are wonderful for tourism. The only one I can't stand is Prince Charles and I think the Queen will hang on as long as she can so as not to give up the crown to him. He bothers me because he is very much into promoting alternative medicine that has no basis in science.
I think his boys are doing a fine job. I always wonder when they go into the military, are they a pain in the butt? I mean, are they coddled and kept away from dangerous situations or really in the thick of things? I know at the time of WWII the family showed amazing bravery by staying in the city during the bombings. I always admired them for that. | |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 7:57:27 AM
Following her mental collapse where she posted lies and racist comments, Lauren rises from the ashes like the sphinx.
What a sorry bitch. | |
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Sue_Pea
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 8:06:00 AM
I think the way you phrased the question was incredibly disrespectful, rude and narrow minded.
This. Comparing any of the Royals to Paris Hilton? Yikes | |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 8:10:44 AM
British people already threw out hereditary privilege once in their history -- it is called the USA.
Once, huh?
I apologize for my countryman who clearly doesn't know world history like she should. |
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Like the sphinx
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 8:19:13 AM
British people already threw out hereditary privilege once in their history -- it is called the USA.
LOL following which the people of the United States adopted it when a handful of dynastic families took over the banking industry. | |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 8:22:13 AM
Is ANY royal family relevant today? I'm a republican, and very vocal about it, and I'm definitely a minority, so it seems a lot of people still believe royality is important. | |
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| Posted: 1/21/2013 8:27:30 AM
Following her mental collapse where she posted lies and racist comments, Lauren rises from the ashes like the sphinx.
Uh, I think the word you were looking for Oblio is Phoenix. |
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