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megmc
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Does that mean that somebody who doesn't work and who gets govt. handouts has to go to work one day a week? | |
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BuckeyeSandy
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I like that!
ETA: if the criminal fraud could be eliminated, much of the mess would be too.
We are supporting several family members that need it, and yes, they are looking, and there is not much out there. |
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biochemipea
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 2:51:27 PM
I bet MOST of those people receiving assistance would actually really love to have jobs.
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I agree with you Ashley about those who receive unemployment; but I think those receiving other public assistance should be required to work to help out the government services. |
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Shevy
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Actually I have clients who are on public assistance who would love to work also. But they don't have the support or the tools to do so.
Generalizing in any terms means you're putting down the people who are trying. And it sucks.
ETA. This is a hot button issue for me since my husband has struggled with unemployment. Please, don't think that the always talked about single mom with 2 kids claiming 12 to get more money or the man who can work but just doesn't want to so he lives high on the hog with unemployment. They are not typical. They are the bad ones that everyone talks about while the majority who use it as intended, do so under the radar. |
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IleneTell
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I agree with you Ashley about those who receive unemployment; but I think those receiving other public assistance should be required to work to help out the government services.
Most people who receive government assistance (such as social security/disability), receive it because they have been determined to be unable to work due to their illness/disability. |
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Mrs_Tyler
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Yes, generalizing does suck and not everyone collecting welfare checks or social security are doing so by choice. But I do know several acquaintances who absolutely could be working but don't because they'd lose their welfare check. For those people who can, but don't, I say the OP's idea sounds perfectly rational.
ETA: Ilenetell, there are so many cases of Social Security fraud it is disheartening and discouraging. The people I know who are not of retirement age collecting from Social Security are admittedly milking the system. One I know hasn't worked a day in her life and her goal is to keep it that way. So it pisses me off to no end when she posts political crap on FB about how the rich aren't paying enough in taxes. I'm sure you can understand why that kind of person, and knowing others who are similar, can leave some of us feeling used and frustrated. | |
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~*kristina*~
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I bet MOST of those people receiving assistance would actually really love to have jobs.
I agree. |
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Shevy
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 3:50:38 PM
I'm sure you can understand why that kind of person, and knowing others who are similar, can leave some of us feeling used and frustrated.
Mrs T, please, understand that those of us on the other side of it are also frustrated. I've poosted about this before. About seeing my husband working his ass off to get a job and how demeaning it can be. How we had to listen to people talk about how he's getting a free ride and how it must be so cushy.
I get it. Most people who pay taxes want them to go someplace deserving. It's the figuring out how each person determines deserving that puts a wrinkle in the statement. And I get it that people are furtrated about the cuts. I am too because I work for a government agency. But the flip comments don't help. The person who is abusing the system doesn't hear them and if they did, they likely don't care. And to address the OP's comment: sure. let's put them to work, doing the jobs that are going to be cut. how much do you want to spend education and training them so they can do it?
Please, all I'm asking of anyone here is to think about the generalization when you speak to a group of people. You're likely generalizing about someone in that group. And you don't know pain until you've seen the tears in the eyes of your 6 foot strong husband after someone makes a comment and he's spent the day being turned down by employer after employer. It hurts for me having to see it and for him having to personally live it. |
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megmc
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 4:01:11 PM
What really really really got to me is a person I know , who is a system abuser, is spouting off on how Govt. workers here are going to use the sequestration to get three day weekends every week.
Um No they are not, because of public outcry govt workers must take WEDS or Thursdays off no Fridays or Mondays.
and why do you actually care if govt employees get Fridays off, you don't work.
So I apologize for generalizing....just a little PO'd at the whole losing 200 hours of pay. | |
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renee_elp
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Sorry about the loss of pay ...
This whole situation stinks.
I wish the budget cutters would do an exercise to really search out the fraud and get that out of our government programs (aka entitlements) that everyone is taking a swipe at.
I remember my husband telling me that retired military had expiration dates on their ID cards for just that reason ... had to show up every couple of years as proof of life, because their dependents wouldn't do the right thing and report their death.
There should be "proof of need" for all these systems ... surely the frauds would get tripped up eventually. | |
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shecallsmenana
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 4:22:12 PM
Ilene Tell I wish that were the truth and in many cases it is but I know too many people who have found a loop hole and are able to get something for nothing. I have a family member that is 50 years old very capable of working but hurt her shoulder and was able to get "temp" medicaid and disability had her surgery and "may" need another surgery in a year so she'll wait to be eligible for medicare and permanent disability. This woman has used and abused the system because of her laziness. I asked her why she doesn't get a job and work for a year to be eligible for medical insurance. Her answer was why would I work when I get $1,200 a month in disability and at the end of the year be eligible for medicare and never have to work and get all my medical without having to pay all the deductions and copays she'd have to pay with a real job.
I think there are way too many flaws in the system and there should be ways to not allow this to happen.
Same as the welfare, food stamp and WIC programs that get abused daily.
Too many people work too damn hard to allow this nonsense to continue happening. We are allowing drug addicts to get money for drugs and alcohol | |
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 4:37:54 PM
Mrs T, please, understand that those of us on the other side of it are also frustrated.
I absolutely do understand. Remember that I am a part if "those on the other side" all the time when trying to get much needed resources for some of my students and their family. I have family who have been denied help while raising his four kids while his ex, mother of those kids, gets handouts when she isn't in custody of those kids- section 8 housing while he and the 4 kids were homeless for over a month and were told it could be a year before housing would be available for his family. My sister is a therapist whose clients are on a spectrum between truly needy and unable to get needs met all the way to absolutely lazy and unwilling to work to improve anything about their situation. I took this specific thread OP as venting frustration about those on the end of the spectrum that can but refuse. | |
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angievp
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 5:00:06 PM
Does that mean that somebody who doesn't work and who gets govt. handouts has to go to work one day a week?
 As a taxpayer, I'd rather give money to a human being who may not necessarily need it than pay for 2k dollar toilets. The stereotypes regarding welfare recipients never cease to astound me.
As a person who is facing furlough (our agency is pushing it back as much as possible), it would never occur to me to think this.
The better question would be, in my mind, should ANY government employee who is lazy be fired? I see government employees of all types sitting on their asses and essentially just showing up to collect a paycheck. Isn't that a form of welfare? How about we fire shitty government employees before we go after welfare recipients?
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Mrs_Tyler
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 5:02:14 PM
How about we fire shitty government employees before we go after welfare recipients?
I know, how about we do both! Let's fire shitty and lazy government employees AND clean up our welfare system.
ETA:
ETA: In my mind, the "shitty government employees" include Congress.
I agree with you there...
As much crap as people give Michele Bachmann, she actually introduced a bill to cut congress' paycheck if they can't do their job. It's moves like that that keep me from thinking she's the nutter others try to make her out to be. | |
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froggy one
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Well I guess I am one of those shitty government employees. Gee so is my hubby. My DH has made and worked on some major projects that have supported our military. If this furlough goes through he will loose about $800.00 per month. That doesn't include my loss of pay. |
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Mrs_Tyler
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 5:38:38 PM
Please read carefully. Nobody said all government employees are shitty. I'm technically a government employee too. | |
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smartypants_dani
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Froggy, I don't think she was saying that ALL government employees are shitty, she was just saying that the ones who ARE shitty should be fired....
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Sharl
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 6:29:42 PM
Actually that isn't necessarily true about govt workers are only allowed to take off Wednesday or Thursday. On my base, the Base Commander is leaving it up to the individual work sections and so where I am, as I am the only civilian in my section, I can still take my Mondays. (I already have 3-day weekends because I work 4 10-hour days.)
How other agencies/bases work it out will probably be left up to them also. |
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Sharl
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| Posted: 3/1/2013 6:34:13 PM
And as for people on unemployment, I don't look at that as a handout.
But public assistance......I do think if they're able to work, then they should be made to do the jobs that there is no money for. They can be helped with child care, but they should still have to work. You can bet they're still going to get their full checks, and not have 20% taken out. And that's all I'm going o say about this because its a sore subject with me because of all the bleeding hearts who support them. |
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