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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:27:01 PM
My nephew is 19 and is such a sweet, wonderful, easy going caring young man. He started getting involved in drugs and it has turned ugly. Hard drugs such as meth etc. Our whole family is devastated. He keeps telling us he wants to change and does not want this life etc. My Sister could not have him around the house anymore because she has three small children at home and it was affecting them too much.
We had found him an religious based outreach program and he only lasted three days and he left with no car... just a blanket & pillow.
There is more to the story but I have to get my kiddos to bed and cannot type this fast enough.

He does have Add and I really believe he has bipolar or other mental disability. I am sickened for him and my sister. He is now homeless and he says he is going to live on a mountain and read the bible

How would we go about getting a "hold". Can we even get one? Anyone have experience with this? Where would you start?

I have to get my kids to bed but will check this in a little while. Thanks for your help!1



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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:30:07 PM
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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:31:23 PM
Depending on where he lives, often that hold only comes about if he is a danger to himself or others.

Would he go into rehab voluntarily??? He could be in the middle of a breakdown but if he is safe, not sure what you can do.

One of my BFF's step brother has mental illness issues and has not been heard or seen in a couple years. He is safe and not a danger to himself or others but chooses to not be seen/heard.

I hope you or someone can get him some help.



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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:32:54 PM
Has he ever even hinted at suicide?


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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:38:28 PM
I'm sorry this is going on for your family. Is he currently a danger to himself or others?



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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:45:49 PM
An involuntary hold is placed when it is determined that the person may be a danger to themselves. Talk of suicide, ending it...

It sounds like your nephew needs rehab. Perhaps the religious based one wasn't his cup of tea.

IF you do have reason to think that he is suicidal, then you call police and they may or may not transport him to a hospital who may or may not put him on a 72 hour hold.


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Posted: 11/11/2013 8:59:28 PM
He is not a danger to anyone. He makes friends with everyone he meets and he has no anger issues whatsoever. But he is insecure and very trusting of people. I don't think he has indicated suicide but he is acting very differently on drugs... Hyper, loud, talking about the bible. He said he saw the devil emerge from his friend etc.

So worried about him!


It sounds like your nephew needs rehab. Perhaps the religious based one wasn't his cup of tea.


I agree with this entirely but don't know what our options are. They are not financially able to pay for rehab etc. They recently paid off a debt to someone that threatened his life...

They are in Ca. I live in the midwest so this is hard to get the info so far away.



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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:25:41 PM
If he isn't a danger to himself or others there isn't much you can do. You could try to do a family intervention. He has to be sick and tired of being sick and tired. He may not want to be like this but the drugs have such a strong hold on his mind and body. He has to be ready and willing to get better. If he commits a crime due to his drug use then the courts could force him into rehab. But even then he has to hit bottom and be willing to make a change.




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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:33:20 PM
That's hard. Meth is an evil drug. All drugs are evil but this one seems to be even worse than most. I know with my ex fiance he did meth with his girlfriend after me. I got a call from a hospital where he was held on a 51/50. He called me when they released him and he wanted to come stay with me. I didn't let him. I know he did end up going through treatment and as far as I know he is clean now. I don't talk to him anymore though. They held him in the hospital because of the hallucinations the meth had caused. He did mention some things about devils too. I will pray for your nephew. I would look into state programs there. I know it's really hard to get into them though.

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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:39:12 PM
Thanks everyone reading the posts and gathering info!



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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:42:50 PM

That's hard. Meth is an evil drug. All drugs are evil but this one seems to be even worse than most. I know with my ex fiance he did meth with his girlfriend after me. I got a call from a hospital where he was held on a 51/50. He called me when they released him and he wanted to come stay with me. I didn't let him. I know he did end up going through treatment and as far as I know he is clean now. I don't talk to him anymore though. They held him in the hospital because of the hallucinations the meth had caused. He did mention some things about devils too. I will pray for your nephew. I would look into state programs there. I know it's really hard to get into them though.


Thanks for sharing. He is such a great kid. It is a SHOCK to the whole family.



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Posted: 11/11/2013 9:48:39 PM
unless he is willing to go voluntarily, calling the police is the only way for a 72 hour hold....sorry your family is going through this.


ETA: If you can get him to go to the hospital, a doctor can pink slip him for a 72 hour hold.


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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:40:45 PM
Psychiatric holds vary from state to state. You need to find out what the requirements are for the state that he is in. I would call a local drug treatment center or narcotics anonymous, they should be able to give you some information.

In FL, you cannot be baker acted (psychiatric hold) unless you are threatening suicide or are deemed a danger to others. It sounds like your nephew doesn't fit in either of those categories. Unfortunately since he is an adult, there isn't much you or your family can do to force him into treatment. He has to voluntarily check himself in and sadly the really good programs are super expensive.

Definitely a tough situation.

Good Luck!!




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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:41:42 PM
This is a struggle. Depending on where they live, they can all human services in the county they reside in and ask about the civil commitment process. Generally if he's over dosed or unable to respond, and taken to a hospital, a doctor may start the process.

But, I can tell you that it's getting harder and harder to get a civil commitment for chemical dependency. At least in my state of MN. Budget cuts mean that there isn't staff to screen people and less money to treat them. The county I work for is experiencing a heroin explosion. And unless someone has overdosed requiring hospital stay, even the doctors are unwilling to hold them.



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Posted: 11/11/2013 10:53:47 PM
in CA, I think he can be held on a 5150, but only for 72 hrs.

We know someone who may have been on Meth and other drugs..mental illness..and struggled for years to get clean and sober. it turned out that he didn't make it.

so sad, but it's a reality.
You have every reason to be worried and scared, especially with Meth.

has he said things that are vaguely suicidal? that is common.

it's really important to get the family on board with help and resources.

so sorry the kid you knew as sweet and easy going has changed ..it's the drugs I think, but if he hasn't been evaluated with bipolar yet, a complete eval needs to be done.

so so sorry. that's really hard.

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Posted: 11/11/2013 11:02:42 PM
Sorry you and your family are going through this. Unfortunately you can force all the "holds" and treatment on him that you like, however, unless HE has hit rock bottom and HE is committed to becoming sober, I doubt any of it will stick.

It's hard to watch a loved one go through it and just let them fall, but ultimately it's usually the only thing that is effective.

Prayers to you and your family.


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Posted: 11/12/2013 12:05:35 AM
I'm very sorry. Your nephew is in the grip of one of the worst drug addictions there is. The relapse rate for meth is about 90%. A member of my family is addicted and his drug addiction has destroyed many lives.

As others have said, if your nephew is not a danger to himself or others there is no way to hold him. If he isn't interested in rehab there is no point in trying to get him in one. He won't change until and unless he is willing.

The county may offer services or may be able to hook him up, but again, he has to want to participate.


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