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wookiemouse
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I have used the LOM system since 2009, and I have found it to work wonderfully for many aspects. However - I am finding that photos are going in to the storage binders and NOT coming out!
I have at least figured out the problem - it lies in my process. I am able to scrap quickly, efficiently and happily when I have a sketch and photos printed to the correct size in one zip top bag, so all I have to do is grab papers and embellies and go. I have completed several trip albums like this - I take ALL the pictures from the trip, divide them into layouts, find a good sketch, resize/print the photos and bag them. Then each bag goes in order in a page protector in a binder, along with memorabilia, journaling, and accents I had in mind for that page, and the binder goes on a shelf until I'm ready to start work on that album. With my current LOM binder system...I'm lazy! It's just a hassle to think about pulling out pictures, finding a sketch, resizing and printing, only for ONE layout. I seem to be avoiding it like the plague.
So I started thinking...why not do what I do for my travel albums for my single page layouts as well? Order isn't an issue, since they'll be going into my LOM albums. But I could pull pictures for layouts from my storage binders, find a sketch, resize and reprint the pics, bag it, and put it in a page protector (with memorabilia, if applicable) in a 3-ring binder that's just for my LOM albums. They'd be ready to go whenever I was!
Sounds good, except the inner Stacy Julian is screaming at me "BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD!!! Do NOT take pictures out of the storage binders and group them into a "to be scrapped" pile!!!" SJ knows her stuff, has been scrapping for a long time, and obviously has some reason why she says this. I cannot remember why, tho. And that is what is stopping me from moving forward. Maybe she speaks from experience and I would be making a huge mistake by creating another system?
Anyways, has anyone ever created a separate storage system for "layouts to do"? I would keep the LOM storage binders to use for my most recently printed pics, since I don't think I'd replenish my layout binder maybe 3-4 times a year (I don't do a ton of single page layouts, I mostly do PL and theme albums). Did it work for you? Thoughts?
Stacy
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In Focus
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 | Posted: 2/19/2012 2:33:26 PM
I have a "work binder" of planned layouts and layouts in progress. Because I prefer layouts with a variety of print sizes, this is the only way it works for me. I can't just wait until I am ready to scrap to decide on the photos. I have to allow for sending them off to a lab to be printed! Once they are printed, they can't go into a storage binder because they are all different sizes. My "storage binder" is Lightroom on my Mac, lol. |
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Kris74
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| Posted: 2/19/2012 2:41:59 PM
The way I look at SJ's LOM system is simple. It's a springboard to get your pictures organized, but you need it to fit how YOU scrap. So maybe uiet that inner Stacy of your with some chocolate and go about changing your organization 
I actually think your idea is genius!!! I go to crops several times a year. Some for a couple of hours, some overnighters. What I've been finding is I'm hating dragging my heavy storage binders along, especially if I only want to do a few pages out of that particular album.
So, in the past year or so, I've discovered that I'm waaaaay more productive when I have complete page kits (including pictures and sketches). I'm actually taking pictures OUT of my storage albums and adding them to my page kits. I bring postit notes and extra photo envelopes with me as well so I can "add" the extra pictures to my category drawers or giveaway piles. I don't bother with cold storage.
For an overnighter, I find I will bring 30 or so page kits as well as my newest batch of pictures (or storage clabum if they've made it in already  ) and I have extra pictures just in case I get through all of my page kits.
I still do use my storage albums, as I do scrap at home quite a bit as well, and that's what works for me. But for you, the opposite would work just as well. Mainly theme/page kits, with the occasional storage album. Maybe don't loose ALL of your storage albums ... maybe just take the pictures out for your "theme" albums, page kit them up and see how it works for you.
Good luck - like I said, the system is only as good as it works for you. You shouldn't be changing your scrapping system to suit the organization ... that would never work. |
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cori in wa
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 | Posted: 2/19/2012 2:44:25 PM
SJ is the first to admit that her system is a guideline. It SHOULD be tweaked to fit what works for YOU!
So make those pages-to-go kits. If it gets more pages scrapped and works for you then it does what it is designed to do! | |
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scoobers
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SJ knows her stuff, has been scrapping for a long time, and obviously has some reason why she says this.
I'm not going to win a popularity contest with what I'm going to say, but here goes.
Stacy Julian is a salesman. She's in the business to make money. Her system works for her and because she's a "name" in scrapbooking everyone listens to her. I feel the same about Becky Higgins and the Project 365. They are getting RICH off of people who think that because a scrapbook "name" does it, that for some weird reason everyone should follow.
Personally I think that if you do the system that Stacy promotes, years from now when your gone, your family is going to be looking for pictures from their 5th birthday and won't be able to find them. And they're going to be saying what was mom smoking when she filed these away?
I'm a strong advocate that you should print your pictures as if you aren't a scrapbooker and put them in albums. If you want to scrap some, pull those out and scrap them. Yeah, you might have to reshuffle pics to fill back up the holes (or not) but if you stop scrapping, then your pictures aren't a screwed up mess. Folks can still get the albums out and look for a particular picture in time.
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bostonmum
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| Posted: 2/19/2012 3:25:28 PM
I agree with the others who think you should change things up to meet your needs!
I tried using the storage albums and stopped the first week. What works for me is a photo box with dividers that separate each event or grouping of future LO pictures. I get inspired flipping through the pictures that way. But just because that is what works for me doesn't mean it would work for anyone else. As Kris74 mentioned, I don't do the cold storage either. I have a category box (CM) and anything not scrapped, shared with others, or categorized gets pitched.
I honestly was inspired by Stacy Julian's LOM system. However, adjusting the system and changing up how I use the parts of it that work for me and how I think has made it invaluable! I believe that like a great sketch, LOM can be followed to the letter or used as a tool and a starting point to inspire you. It seems to me that you are finding the best way for you to scrap successfully and that's terrific!
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Scrappinnut01
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I don't do the LOM system so I can't really say anything about that, BUT I love your way of printing off your pictures the sizes you want, finding a sketch and then filing it all in a bag. What an a-ha moment for me! LOL
I tend to wait until I'm ready for a crop or something, then it takes me forever to get things together. Doing them as I get the pictures would be so much easier for me. I know this didn't help you with your problem, but your post sure helped me out. Thanks so much!! | |
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pennyscraps
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| Posted: 2/19/2012 3:42:17 PM
SJ actually has a portion in her LOM for pages in progress. It's in one of the weeks where she talks about extras. Ring a bell??
She shows us these plastic envelopes and she puts photos in there with paper and has a little O-ring tag on it. Does this sound familiar? I didn't implement this step my first time around, but second time around I did order the plastic envelopes and use them to store what you are suggesting. But, then I decided 2 gallon ziplocs were cheaper/easier.
All that to say, she DOES what you are suggesting, and I do it, too. I say anything that helps you scrap more easily works! The storage binders are the "first place" a real photo lives, but there are many phases in between the SB's and a finished layout in an album. |
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BedsandBorders
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 | Posted: 2/19/2012 3:44:28 PM
I totally agree with Scrappinnut01.
wookiemouse, you have a system for getting travel layouts done that is very inspirational. So I think if you want to revise your way of getting ready to scrap other photos. I think you should just try it for a while....
And change back if things back up. | |
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TracieClaiborne
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 | Posted: 2/19/2012 3:47:02 PM
Gotta chime in and defend my girl, Stacy J. (one of my heroes in life). She originally started teaching the Library of Memories class because SO MANY people asked how she did her own system that she decided she needed to teach others what works for her. She even wrote the book that followed "The Big Picture" because there was such an interest in how her own system worked.
I believe she would be the first to say that you do whatever works for you and makes you most productive. Her ideas are, as others have said, a guideline for how she does things and what has worked for her. To be creative daily, to get your story told - those are her main goals for all of us. She is in the business of scrapbooking but she is genuine in her love for the process and the end result. | |
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stace3
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 | Posted: 2/19/2012 7:47:48 PM
It sounds like this method really works for you. I'd go ahead and switch it if I were you. I've made tweaks to my LOM system to suit my purposes. | |
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(By The Sea)
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 | Posted: 2/20/2012 12:21:18 AM
Nope, you're not. You're making a system that serves as a great jumping off point work better for you. That's the point of things like LOM and PL and stuff like that - it's a starting point.
I've been using a form of LOM for a while now - and I am constantly tweaking it. Some of it works for me, some of it doesn't.
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Beriuqam
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| Posted: 2/20/2012 1:03:44 AM
I agree with others that think it's a great idea. I think I may use your system, but I have to tweak it a bit. I have to limit the total number of pages that I have in-process because otherwise it would just be a bunch of unfinished pages!
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Fionna51
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 9:40:24 AM
I'm just getting started on LOM and appreciate the discussion.
One thing that I have found is that no matter what you do and what paradigm drives your scrapbooking, it has to work for you. So tweak what you need to tweak. I've seen folks blend PL and LOM together and that seems to be opposite ends of the spectrum! | |
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Paperclips29
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 11:06:56 AM
I think you need to use what works for you.
Personally, I love my storage binders and category drawers. I scrap so much more as a result. Then again, I can't scrap from a kit. I've tried. I have a hard time with sketches, too.
If you find that scrapping from a kit works for you, then do it! That doesn't mean you can't keep your storage binders... it depends on your process.
Tweak your system to how you scrapbook. |
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Claysmama
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 | Posted: 2/7/2013 12:19:13 PM
Reading your post reminded me of how I used to scrap before digital cameras. I allowed a ton of room in my album that just had empty protectors and when I would get my prints developed, I would sit down and pick through them and dump whatever really made me happy into a protector spread. Then, I would attack my stash and also throw in whatever inspired me.
I have never been so productive in my life! Hence my love/hate with the digital photo world...it gives me permission to photoshop to make things as perfect as can be...and NOTHING ever gets printed. Sigh.
All that is to say..DO whatever gets you scrapping. You have your own perfect method...let it flow!
(I will take my own advice here...I vow to hit the contrast button and then just print...no agonizing about sizes or filters and so on....maybe I should make a goal of having 10 filled protectors by the weekend???)
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ca angel
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 12:28:48 PM
I am always in the camp of "I'm special" . Meaning that just because everyone else is doing it one way doesn't mean that is going to work for me (cuz I'm special  ). I tweak everything to work for ME!
My process is similar to what you described. You can see some photos in my gallery. I print a contact sheet with photos for each LO. Find a sketch, make cropping notations. Then crop my photos with PSE before sending them off to be printed. I do this for 10-15 lo at a time. The sketch, contact sheet, photos, papers, embellies, etc all go in a page protector and into my To Do box. When i'm ready to scrap I grab a kit and get to work. Once they are all gone I start all over. Works for me!
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ncstamper
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 1:18:05 PM
In the most recent FPF class, Stacy shared that she is moving more towards only printing 3 star photos. If she needs supporting photos when she goes to scrap those, she often prints from home.
I like making page kits, too. Shimelle has a video about her process for that. I tend to insert them in the album the page will go in. Do what works for you as long as it helps you to keep telling your stories. | |
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sarahsjb
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 1:49:59 PM
Wookiemouse -
I find myself feeling fairly similar to you, and have been doing LOM since 2009 as well. I have been printing some of my supporting pictures right away at 3x4 knowing I won't want them as the focal points, etc, then they go into the storage binder as a stack next to the likely focal points pics to go with them.
I also have a process in steps - which results similar to what you are describing, I pull pictures, put them into a 5x7 CM fan pocket photo holder, with about 10 pockets - which I use for the pics grouped into layouts, I stick a note in on them if there is one I want to reprint or resize.. then later I do the journaling, drop that into the same pocket, and then at another time I turn them into kits with the paper and embellies in large zip lock bags.
So any given time I have things in all 3 of those states - and about 10-25 kits made up and 10-20 pages in the planning stage in my photo holder.. It works for me, and sounds like something similar to what you are thinking..
I say give it a try, don't stop the binders yet until you know it's working for you, but give it a go for several months first!
Sorry for the long response, I was feeling your pain on it! |
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nikomoon14
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 2:39:02 PM
What? I thought that is what the binders are for! 
I stored all my un scraped pictures in binders and that is were I'm pulling the from.
Now I'm confused...oh well! It's working for me  .
I have to say: I agree with so many of the posters in so many things that should be contradicting .
But my thought is I don't care if stacey is making along with BH or not. For me is the most making sense approach to a scrappers photo storage. I started her process in december I'm not even half way done. But sitting down and gathering my photos has inspired me a LOT. So stacey, , becky, shimelle...Angelina Jolee...I don't care who you are if you have a better idea and you can affordably (meaning less than 20.00) share it with me call me... |
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AnissaScraps
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 2:46:16 PM
What? I thought that is what the binders are for!
I stored all my un scraped pictures in binders and that is were I'm pulling the from.
Now I'm confused...oh well! It's working for me
Me too... I use my binders(3 up photo books) to pull photos to scrapbook.Sometimes I will move the pictures around to fill up the spaces that I pull from but sometimes I just leave an empty space. My family knows that if there is a phot missing in those books that I've scrapbooked it. |
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tammyd119
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 2:58:38 PM
I'm going to chime in and say YES you should change the system to make it work best for you!
I never did the storage binder step.  I KNOW. I hadn't even made it through the whole system when I skipped that step, but I knew they would never work for me. I have always worked from page kits and I didn't want to change that up. When I get my photos printed, I'll go through them and divide them up into pages I want to scrapbook. They go into page protectors with paper and sketches or inspiration and when I have time to scrapbook, I grab a kit, find the embellishments and get to work.
That has always worked for me and I was afraid to mess with it. I do have category drawers for photos I want to age, extras or things I eventually decide not to scrapbook right away. I just skipped the binder thing all together. BUT I also don't print hundreds and hundreds of photos. I just print what I want to scrapbook in the next few months. I can always go back in history and print something I missed if I need to.
I'll say it again...do what works for you! |
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rune2484
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 | Posted: 2/7/2013 3:48:37 PM
Stacy Julian is a salesman. She's in the business to make money. Her system works for her and because she's a "name" in scrapbooking everyone listens to her. I feel the same about Becky Higgins and the Project 365. They are getting RICH off of people who think that because a scrapbook "name" does it, that for some weird reason everyone should follow.
I guess I don't understand what the problem is here? What you've described is the ENTIRE hobby industry. We live in a world where capitalism is the name of the game, it isn't like Stacy Julian, Becky Higgins, (et all) have been selling us a defective product. They came up with a new idea and put it out there into a competitive market and have come out on top. I don't think bad of them for being successful, or for using their established name to further that success.
Personally I think that if you do the system that Stacy promotes, years from now when your gone, your family is going to be looking for pictures from their 5th birthday and won't be able to find them. And they're going to be saying what was mom smoking when she filed these away?
Yea, I don't get that vibe at all from the system. I think when I am long gone and my daughter is looking for her 5th birthday photos she will either look in her section of the scrapbook or (more likely given the digital age we are in) go straight to the March 2010 file on the computer. Both are logical places for anybody to look, regardless if they are in the loop with my system or not.
I'm a strong advocate that you should print your pictures as if you aren't a scrapbooker and put them in albums. If you want to scrap some, pull those out and scrap them. Yeah, you might have to reshuffle pics to fill back up the holes (or not) but if you stop scrapping, then your pictures aren't a screwed up mess. Folks can still get the albums out and look for a particular picture in time.
I completely agree with this point. It just so happens that my storage binders serve that particular purpose.
Now, not to say the LOM is the end-all of organizational systems, but for some of us it really does "click" - and this is coming from someone who had NO IDEA who Stacy Julian was when I was first introduced to LOM. Different strokes for different folks
Also, back to the OP. wookiemouse, I definitely encourage you to tweak it to fit your style. For me, I tend to pull 3-5 pages worth of photos I'm excited to scrap from my binders at one time, and the work my way through the pile before going back for the next round. | |
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jen1021
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 4:00:56 PM
I have to agree with several other posters. Make the system work for you. I promise SJ won't hunt you down and take away all your pretty paper for tweaking her system! |
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wookiemouse
PeaFixture
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 4:15:21 PM
I was wondering why I was receiving notifications....holy cow people, this thread is a year old!!!!
Anyways, I guess I can update! I did try the system as mentioned, pulling out photos to scrap. Did not work well for me. I found that I was still going back to the storage binders to flip through them. Another problem lies in the fact that I am not doing many single page layouts anymore, mostly PL and theme albums. Sooo...not to say it was a complete fail, it still has promise, but not when I'm on a tight scrapping schedule like I am now.
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strbrygrmp
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 4:20:58 PM
If it works for YOU then do it. I put mine in the binders BUT if I am going to any away retreats or crops I match pics to sketches with paper and have those for working on. It really is what's best for you and your style. If you can't personalize it and make it your own then nothing will get done. | |
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rune2484
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 4:32:42 PM
LOL I didn't even realize how old this thread was | |
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ncstamper
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 7:07:16 PM
I missed that this was an old thread, too.
Still enjoyed the discussion. | |
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jen1021
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 7:55:46 PM
I missed how old this was either! |
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stampartiste
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 8:24:00 PM
I did notice how old the original post was, but I thought it was great timing popping back up again today! LOM (Finding Photo Freedom) started up again today -- I'm taking it as an alumna -- but I'm also working my way through Shimelle's archived Cover to Cover class. So I loved reading Stacy's post and the responses she received. Any system does have to work for you, and not the other way around. |
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