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Posted 6/15/2013 by Amber Girl in General Scrappin'
 

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Posted: 6/15/2013 8:44:34 PM
Hi peas! I hope I'm not alone in this. Let me hear your story!
If you have a sizable stash and/or a dedicated scrap room, have you come across other people's expectations that you should be making a profit with your art/crafts to justify the space, money and time spent, or accumulated materials?
Lately since I set up my scrap room I've been getting bombarded by such comments from family/relatives/coworkers even(!) Statements such as: "Wow! you have a little scrap store here....you know, so and so does craft shows and sells her work - are you going to do that?. Or...."your art is really good, haven't you found a way to make money doing this?". Mind you these comments are by non-scrapping folks, but still it irritates me nonetheless.
Why, if it's my choosing, can't I just have this stash and make art to feed my soul?
Why is there a double standard with art/crafting vs. say golfing. If my hubby buys a ridiculously expensive titanium golf set should I expect him to go pro and get sponsorship deals to justify that purchase?
Any of you deal with that expectation to make $$$ from this hobby?



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Posted: 6/15/2013 8:54:09 PM
I've encountered that type of sentiment, yes. Not necessarily because of how much stuff I have, but people do often think I should make money/more money with what I do.

I just smile, take it as a compliment, and say that it's actually really hard to make any decent amouont of money in the scrapbooking world unless you are one of the big name scrappers.

I grew up with parents who had their own business and did craft shows/major tradeshows/sold wholesale, and I'm not really interested in making stuff to sell like that.






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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:10:29 PM
I think this is an American cultural thing - like somehow we should be *doing* something productive with our hobbies instead of just enjoying them.

I have a huge stash too - part of the enjoyment for me is just *having*, organizing and looking at my stuff

But, my stash is not out in the open for people to look at, either. I think if I was getting a lot of comments, I'd find a way to put it away so it didn't invite so many unsolicited comments.



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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:13:24 PM
Money corrupts art.






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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:14:27 PM
People think I have a lot but I really don't compared to a lot of others. They don't expect me to make money from it but they do expect me to "help" them make things- in reality they want me to make things for them. They will see some craft project they like and ask me to make it for them.


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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:24:42 PM

I think this is an American cultural thing - like somehow we should be *doing* something productive with our hobbies instead of just enjoying them.


this. I don't have a huge stash, but it's growing and people always comment that it's basically a waste if I'm not making money from it. It's usually from people that are miserable and complain they have have not time for a hobby. It's okay to have a hobby. Enjoy your stash!


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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:30:53 PM
I have never gotten those types of comments, but I don't think that they are meant to be offensive. It sounds to me like its their way of telling you that they thi k you are so talented that people would pay for your work. I think that I would be flattered!

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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:43:19 PM

it's actually really hard to make any decent amouont of money in the scrapbooking world unless you are one of the big name scrappers.


You are a big name scrapper biochemipea! and I have your book to prove it
Perhaps being raised in a craft trade show environment left you disenchanted ?
That's what I'm afraid of happening with my creativity. I sold jewelry, and just when it started getting more business-oriented, I abandoned it to have my kids. I'm afraid if I start getting focused on the commercial aspect of crafting: mass quantity production of cards, invitations, baby books, etc. that this awesome hobby will become work that I dread. Online, I've come across artists for whom that was their demise.


I think this is an American cultural thing

..it's not just American...I'm not american-born so I can speak for my native country...it's a global phenomena. My parents were post-war children and their entire existence was consumed by making ends meet and hard work. Having a hobby for the sake of leisure is a foreign concept - it's just too decadent.


Money corrupts art.

if one makes money doing art they love then it's a win-win combination. However, too often artists begin making that which sells well and lose that creative, unique edge.


It's usually from people that are miserable and complain they have have not time for a hobby.

yep...I noticed that too!

I think that I would be flattered!

Maybe I am too sensitive,... dh says I read too much into these comments.



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Posted: 6/15/2013 9:45:50 PM
I do sell a few cards to coworkers.

But then I have the expectation from others that every holiday, event, etc, they get free cards or I'll make them something for every birthday, going away, baby, life altering changing event, etc.

It's hard to keep that many on hand, and I've found myself saying "No!" more often - and then there's the feeling of guilt that it doesn't mean as much if it isn't hand made, etc etc.

On a team of 15, I'd be making a *free* card every day and not using the materials on something for my own family or close friends.

I'm not a scrapbooking store or a free card shop



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Posted: 6/15/2013 10:39:55 PM
I have had the comment that my scraproom looks like a store, but it was from a child, so I just chuckled

I get a lot of people on YouTube asking me if I could sell my projects to them, I have others ask me to send them supplies, lol.

But I don't want my passion to turn into a job. As soon as deadlines are involved I get a bit anxious.
I want to enjoy my art for a long time.

I have got the comment "I wish I had time for that". I have got that in my craft and even when I have been out tending to my flower beds.
My response "We should all make time for the things we enjoy".
Did not get another comment like that from her, lol.

I just recently retired (I'm 45) and I get many comments from others about how I'm to Young to retire.
Again I just say to them. "You know all those things you wish you had time for...well now I have the time"

Just shake it off and enjoy the things inn your life, no matter if it is scrapbooking, golf, photography. Enjoy it.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 4:32:16 AM
I am so glad I am not the only one who goes through this!

My roommate (a male) constantly comments on how many packages I receive and how much "stuff" I have. I have tried explaining to him that I have kits come at XYZ time every month and that I pick up things online because Michael's doesn't always have the best selection, but he doesn't get it.

He was rebuilding an old Corvette a few months ago, which I think is awesome, but I offered him an analogy after he had a new car part arriving at the door every day. I asked why he didn't just go pick up pieces in a junkyard or stick with the car he had, just like he thought I should just keep all of my photos in albums on Facebook (what?!). It definitely boiled down to what is a "worthy" hobby and what isn't, which is sad and frustrating.

As for people pushing you to make money from it, or doing it for them, this is the bane of my existence when it comes to photography. I am decent. It has always been a hobby, something I liked to do for myself to help clear my head and keep the memories. People would comment that I should sell my work, but I'd shrug it off and that was enough. Nothing aggressive. That changed when I started working with a portrait photographer to shoot her weddings while I was putting myself through nursing school. All of the sudden it was, "Oh, I've got to get you to take some pics of my family! When are you free?" and "How much would it be for you to shoot this event I'm having?" The worst was when they knew I'd already be somewhere so they assumed it'd be no extra trouble to bring my camera along and "snap a few pictures." Truth is, I hated wedding photography because the expectations and deadlines sucked the fun out of it for me (no matter how beautiful the ceremony or love story) and I knew other types of paid photography would probably be the same. People didn't understand that even though I was being paid to do weddings, that didn't mean I wanted to do shoots all of the time. Eventually, I'd agree, but I almost always regretted it. I was forcing myself and in doing so, my work was not up to my standards. It is a very hard spot to be in, not wanting to disappoint friends and family while trying to preserve (or justify) your passion for the hobby and keeping it "just" a hobby.

Sorry this was such a long post. Guess I needed to get this off my chest! lol

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Posted: 6/16/2013 6:24:00 AM
Some hobbies can be expensive, but unlike a hobby such as golf, papers are bought a few at a time, and as such aren't a big expense all at once. You don't expect a golfer to make money from his hobby, so why should I have to make money at it?

Have you looked at the price of greeting cards lately? I make mine, along with gifts to give to people. I don't go on expensive vacations. Do you expect someone who does to offset the cost of their vacation by making money somehow off the vacation?

I make scrapbooks to document our family history in an attractive way, and I enjoy the process. I don't have to try to make money at it, and the fact is, people aren't willing to pay for both materials and the time I spend, so it wouldn't be worth it to me to do that.

Even scrappers have commented on the money I've spent on stamps, because of the size of my collection. The stamps were bought one or two at a time, over a period of more than 25 years. I use them in scrapping as well as for other craft projects. Yet scrappers who don't stamp have sometimes made comments just as rude as what you are hearing regarding your stash.

Why should anyone have to justify anything? If I'm not asking for handouts from someone, or demanding that they justify to me how they spend their money, it's really none of their business how I spend my money.


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Posted: 6/16/2013 7:15:20 AM
My DH teases me all the time and tells me Michaels called and they need to pick up some stuff to replenish their shelves.



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Posted: 6/16/2013 7:21:49 AM
I haven't come across this with my scrapbooking (I never show it to anyone!) but I have with my crochet. I make a lot of Amigurumis and have them dotted all over the apartment, people ask me a lot why aren't I selling them or making them to order? I always say the same thing which is 'money would take the enjoyment of the hobby away for me'. I do it for the pleasure of doing it not because I have to to earn money.


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Posted: 6/16/2013 8:10:59 AM
Statements such as: "Wow! you have a little scrap store here....you know, so and so does craft shows and sells her work - are you going to do that?. Or...."your art is really good, haven't you found a way to make money doing this?". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I've heard similar comments. But I've never interpreted them same way as you are. So perhaps it isn't their expectations but an unconscious feeling on your part that you need to justify your stash.

Wow! you have a little scrap store here>>> I laugh and say, Yes, yes I do have a little store. Makes it easy to shop in the middle of the night when I get an urge to create something.

so does craft shows and sells her work - are you going to do that?. >>> They aren't expecting ME to sell my work. Key word, expecting. But they have experienced one person's decision and curious if I'll do the same. Curiosity, not expectation.

your art is really good, haven't you found a way to make money doing this?" >>>>>>> This one does have an air of expectancy but I think the were really just making conversation. I respond that I haven't looked for a way to make money doing this and I'm not going to look because doing if for money takes the relaxed, on my schedule aspect away. I do this to relax not to be a source of more deadlines to be reached. Everyone has been satisfied with that answer.


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Posted: 6/16/2013 8:50:38 AM
I have a hubby that comments on how much I order and a mom who expects me to create an album whenever she takes pictures, which may not be that often. But its expected. My sister is getting married in July so its expected that I make an album even though I have no supplies for a wedding album and not even done my wedding album.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 10:26:42 AM
I'm afraid if I turn my hobby into a money-making operation it won't be fun anymore - it will be work. I know that isn't the case for a lot of people, but for me, I'm going to continue enjoying my hobby without the pressure that a business would create. I've gotten the "little store" comments, but they aren't meant critically so I don't try to justify my stash. I've helped out a lot of my friends with "papercraft" projects and they've come to appreciate my stash as much as I do!

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Posted: 6/16/2013 11:25:36 AM
That's exactly what I tell people. I do this when I want to do it, and for fun! Making a business out of it takes the fun out of it for me.

Also, I happen to have a PhD in Genetics, so I'll sometimes respond, "Well, I kind of have a lot invested in that science gig..."


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Posted: 6/16/2013 12:58:08 PM
... and that is why I will not show anyone just how big my stash is.

When we moved into our new house my husband and our parents helped us move some of our stuff and "Two Men And A Truck" moved our furniture. But I handcarried almost all of my scrapbook stuff into our new house when I was ALONE. And believe me, some of it was heavy but I didn't want the risk of some people (the in-laws...HAHAHA) seeing just how much scrapbook stuff I do have.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 3:30:39 PM
When I shared my scraproom
I got a few mean comments for fellow scrappers (peas)

I just ignore the negative comments.
I like what I have
I use what I have
I have room for what I have
I can afford what I have
So why should it bother me what others think?

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Posted: 6/16/2013 3:41:50 PM
My Dh does all the time, but I know he is teasing. I don't think the comments are meant to be harmful. People don't have real hobbies these days, so they see the spending and think it is wasteful or should be making you a profit. My mom collects unicorns and my stepdad build model trains, they never question my stash.

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Posted: 6/16/2013 10:59:01 PM
It's kind of strange. When I was actively submitting and getting published, teaching classes and competing in HOF / MM / design teams, I felt more of a need to justify myself than I do now. These days, if someone tells me I have too much time on my hands or too much stuff, it rolls off my back. It's one of the main ways I manage stress and get my "me-time," and no one gets to ruin that for me.


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Posted: 6/16/2013 11:04:33 PM
I WON'T justify to anyone. It's my hobby and sanity break, why should I?
My husband doesn't mind what I spend (within reason) and he pays the bills so why should I care or think I need to justify to someone else about something I love?


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Posted: 6/16/2013 11:51:15 PM

Any of you deal with that expectation to make $$$ from this hobby?

Never!! Not in 12 years of scrapping. I don't think I let bossy people into my life because people just don't say things like that to me.

When I have non-scrappers over - I show it all to them and people always go, "Wow - I am so jealous." or "How fun - I wish I had time to do that." Never anything negative though.

Now my husband has often said, "You are so gifted at art, you should turn that into a business." (he's biased) but only after I have talked about doing so for years and ran a million business ideas by him. He would NEVER have come up with that on his own. I had a huge stash before I thought along that line and he has a studio full of music gear so we're even! (Although that is his full-time job.)

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Posted: 6/17/2013 2:51:51 AM
Like Tracie, I think I just don't let these sorts of people into my life, as I've never had that kind of comment from outsiders. In the beginning, 2004, when I started I had a lot of guilt. I was newly married, 19 years old, and my husband had told me I no longer had to work. I felt that I had to justify my time and my spending of "his" money. Not to him, it was never even suggested by him, but to ME. My parents never raised me to be a slacker, or take things for free, so I felt guilty. If I wanted to quilt, and he went through the trouble of buying me a sewing machine, then I HAD to justify it by making quilts to sell. Of course, that made me miserable about the whole thing. For every quilt I got to enjoy making for me, I told myself I'd have to suffer through making one to sell. And, when they didn't sell, I felt let down in myself.

My mother has told me "you colour so well, why not draw your own stamps and sell them, sell the cards you make with them" but that's only ever said with encouragement. She knows I want to learn to draw, so that would be a stepping stone I guess. I've gotten comments from the other wives (the wives of DH's colleges) about how there's a craft show in town, and wouldn't I like to make cards to sell for that? I politely say that each card is an individual thing, I don't really know how to make them for others. Most people when they see my scrap area, or even my Copics in their travel case, go "wow, that's a lot of stuff" or "that's a lot of pens!" to which I usually respond "yup, and they're the best money can buy!" Of course, when they're seeing these things, they're also seeing me in the process of making something. They can see, right as they're seeing my stuff, that I'm actively using it at all times. I think their comments are more appreciations of my skill vs wanting me to justify my stuff.

A lot of the guilt also went away when, though I had just re-gotten my seasonal job at the local ski resort, my doctor's straight up said "if you can afford not to work, without it causing you serious hardship, it is safer if you do not work". DH also made the point that whenever I have a job I get dangerously sick, to the point where I'm flirting with hospitalization, and just money-wise (ignoring the emotional cost) it is not worth it to him to risk that. He wants me happy, he wants me healthy, and he wants me home. If he's willing to fund that, I've no reason to feel guilty anymore.

The ONLY person that has ever made me feel even the slightest bit bad is a friend of ours, mostly DH's, from work. He's a "real" artist, makes art professionally for the video games that DH programs, has art degrees, teaches at an art college, that kind of thing. He tends to imply that using stamps for my cards instead of learning to draw on my own is somehow "less worthy" or "less creative" than if I drew everything myself. But, I've found "real" artists like that are pretty arrogant, and he's foreign, so I just kind of go with it. I would like to learn to draw, and I do try, but that's not going to stop me colouring images that I enjoy in the meantime!


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Posted: 6/17/2013 6:33:07 AM
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Posted: 6/17/2013 7:07:36 AM
My parents do make comments here and there about making money with this "hobby". My rebuttal is "it would no longer be a hobby".

I am an accountant by day and a scrapbooker by night and I want to keep it that way. Fun and exciting!!


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Posted: 6/17/2013 7:26:56 AM
To Bethies reply of:


When I shared my scraproom
I got a few mean comments for fellow scrappers (peas)

I just ignore the negative comments.
I like what I have
I use what I have
I have room for what I have
I can afford what I have
So why should it bother me what others think?

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I hate to hear that even Peas had something negative to say?? Really?? Or did I just hear that wrong? Because honestly I would take that as a much bigger insult then say if my husband said it. Peas should understand!
Actually my husband is very supportive. He built me a whole room with an amazing peg across one wall, (dressed up and painted, not just stuck on, LOL) And put together endless boxes, and an ikea wall unit. He is very handy like that. I think he supports me so I won't say anything about his hobbies, which believe me, out cost mine by A LOT!
To anyone else who has something to say regarding making money doing it, I just reply, "Nah, that takes the fun out of it, I get to do what I want to do when I want to do it." I'm also not embarrassed by my room. I'm pretty proud of it, so to those that have a problem with it, they don't have to come over! LOL





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Posted: 6/17/2013 8:13:31 AM
"I hate to hear that even Peas had something negative to say?? Really?? Or did I just hear that wrong? Because honestly I would take that as a much bigger insult then say if my husband said it. Peas should understand! "

You heard it right. And, I have a decent stash, but nothing compared to what others have
There are always people and pea-ple that have to be negative and mean
There's nothing anyone can do to change that fact.
So ignoring it is the easiest thing


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Posted: 6/17/2013 8:24:59 AM
Some of the worst comments to me in the past, came from another scrapbooker & I never knew the reason for it. I've since been told by mutual friends it was out of jealously, but I never want to claim anyone is jealous of another person, it's just ridiculous.

I've done craft/art shows for the past 20 years, although rarely have I done many scrapbooking related items. Because of that, I gets tons of comments from others, that they justify my giant stash of supplies, because I do the shows. I just smile & say thanks!

I don't ever feel the need to justify anything to anyone, but I've only learned that in the past few years & wish I would have lived by it sooner!




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Posted: 6/17/2013 8:33:42 AM

You are a big name scrapper biochemipea! and I have your book to prove it
Perhaps being raised in a craft trade show environment left you disenchanted ?
That's what I'm afraid of happening with my creativity. I sold jewelry, and just when it started getting more business-oriented, I abandoned it to have my kids. I'm afraid if I start getting focused on the commercial aspect of crafting: mass quantity production of cards, invitations, baby books, etc. that this awesome hobby will become work that I dread. Online, I've come across artists for whom that was their demise.
You are sweet, Irma! Thanks! I am not a big name, though, and I am totally OK with saying that. I think of the Big Names as the scrappers that we all discuss by their initials...

I do think that when you turn something you LOVE doing as a hobby into something you do for profit and work, then it is likely to become.... work. There's nothing wrong with having something that you love doing that you do just because you love doing it!
Lots of people do what they love for work, and that is fantastic and wonderful. But if you know that turning your hobby into work isn't for you, then there is no shame or guilt in that.






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Posted: 6/17/2013 8:44:55 AM
It really makes me angry that we as women constantly have to justify everything that is not directly connected to our kids/husbands.

I constantly see posts here justifying their stashes, justifying their purchases, even justifying their time to scrapbook! Why do we do this??? It's nobody's business how you spend your time and money. And yet after every post on scrappy spending, for example, there is a disclaimer along the lines of "I don't get haircuts, don't buy fancy clothes, don't go to the movies, don't eat out, don't own a smart phone, so I am ok with spending my money on scrapbooking." I don't need to know all that. I don't care what your reasons are for spending the amount you spend. So why this need to justify?

Same thing with justifying time to scrap. Why do we feel guilty about indulging in something we love at the expense of not dusting the counter just this once? Unless your family is starving and the house is absolutely filthy I don't see why anyone should feel guilty about spending a few hours a week doing what they love. That's not a happy life IMO.

And for the current topic - there is an obvious difference between a hobby and a job. Once your hobby makes money it is now a job, even if a part-time one. To me a point of a hobby is to de-stress from my job. So next time someone says something, remind them of that. And remind them that hobby golf or jogging does not make money either.

We need to stop justifying things and just enjoy. Life is too short to feel guilty about hobbies. Nobody ever said on their deathbed "I wish I dusted the counter more often."


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Posted: 6/17/2013 12:42:43 PM
Makes me angry too that I(or anyone else) should feel they have to justify their stash.

I've worked hard for every piece of paper and embellie I have. I love papercrafting second only to my family. Thankfully I have a very supportive husband.

I get comments mostly from a couple of gals who I scrap with - I attribute it to jealousy


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Posted: 6/17/2013 1:44:41 PM
oh my goodness. I am so glad I read this thread!!! Over the past few months I've made some stuff to sell here and there. My parents brought some valentines and easter things to their Senior center gift shop and I recouped a little money but nothing major. I haven't sent anything over since Easter and after the cards and gifts I made for Mother's and Father's day my mom was all curious and a little upset that I didn't send anything to be sold at the gift shop. She said you could have sold so many. On Friday my mother in law brought me over to a craft consignment shop that just opened in her small town. she thinks I would do well some of my items there and the owner was impressed by some of the samples that I brought. Since then I've almost been in a depression. It's like I'm frozen and can't really think of anything to make to sell at this time of year. Most of the stuff I make to sell is seasonal/ holiday related and is usually a candy box/bag of some kind. All weekend I've been stressing trying to come up w/ stuff I could do for 4th of July to send up when my inlaws come to visit this weekend. For 2 days now I have felt so stressed and I'm like paralyzed. After reading this thread I finally figured it out!!..I don't like being put under pressure to have to produce product!!!! I've started a blog and I post most everything I do on facebook. If someone sees something they like and want to order something that is great. I even say that I will do custom invitations, announcements, gift bags, etc. But if I were to produce enough inventory to do a craft sale or furnish a booth in a store, then it no longer is fun...its a job!!!

Thanks OP for starting this conversation. I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders!!!!...and sorry that this post was so long and drawn out!

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Posted: 6/17/2013 2:05:56 PM

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It really makes me angry that we as women constantly have to justify everything that is not directly connected to our kids/husbands.

I constantly see posts here justifying their stashes, justifying their purchases, even justifying their time to scrapbook! Why do we do this??? It's nobody's business how you spend your time and money. And yet after every post on scrappy spending, for example, there is a disclaimer along the lines of "I don't get haircuts, don't buy fancy clothes, don't go to the movies, don't eat out, don't own a smart phone, so I am ok with spending my money on scrapbooking." I don't need to know all that. I don't care what your reasons are for spending the amount you spend. So why this need to justify?

Same thing with justifying time to scrap. Why do we feel guilty about indulging in something we love at the expense of not dusting the counter just this once? Unless your family is starving and the house is absolutely filthy I don't see why anyone should feel guilty about spending a few hours a week doing what they love. That's not a happy life IMO.

And for the current topic - there is an obvious difference between a hobby and a job. Once your hobby makes money it is now a job, even if a part-time one. To me a point of a hobby is to de-stress from my job. So next time someone says something, remind them of that. And remind them that hobby golf or jogging does not make money either.

We need to stop justifying things and just enjoy. Life is too short to feel guilty about hobbies. Nobody ever said on their deathbed "I wish I dusted the counter more often."



Hear, hear!


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Posted: 6/17/2013 2:45:52 PM
Simply_Lovely: Right on!


When I shared my scraproom
I got a few mean comments for fellow scrappers (peas)

Whaaaat??!!! I'm just gearing up to do my first ever video of my art-craft room, and it's really uncomfortable for me as I don't like hearing myself on audio. To think that someone would shoot you down and leave mean comments when you're trying to share something that makes you excited about your hobby is just disheartening
Well, I hope there'll be more positive than negative comments.



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Posted: 6/17/2013 3:07:19 PM
I agree with Simply_Lovely!!


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Posted: 6/17/2013 4:54:40 PM
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It makes me happy and I don't have to justify my happiness.



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Posted: 6/17/2013 6:55:43 PM
As I was first reading your post, my first thought was "golf!" because it is an expensive hobby. I would imagine that someone who golfs 3 or more times a month, spends quite a bit more than I do in a month on scrapbooking supplies (OK, maybe not this month as I just did a 2P's and a Stampin' Up! order).

So far no one has asked but then people seldom see my space. It is upstairs and is shared with the guest bedroom. So most of my stuff is in the dresser drawers and closets. In fact, almost every storage option in that room and the bathroom are filled with scrapbooking stuff.

It's my house, my money and my time. There is so much I don't spend money on (like a cell phone or cable) that I'm not the least bit concerned. If I make money on my hobby someday, that's great. If not, it is a joy to create and I have these albums full of wonderful memories. Priceless!


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Posted: 6/18/2013 3:14:53 AM
I have worked retail my entire career life and now own a store. It is A LOT of work! I knew a quilter that opened a quilt shop and hated it because she no longer had time to quilt! I agree with everyone here that says hobbies are for our enjoyment and the money and time spent do not need to be justified. I frankly think it's rude to comment on the financial part of someone's hobby~why on earth is it anyone's but the family involved's business?


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Posted: 6/18/2013 3:43:36 AM

It really makes me angry that we as women constantly have to justify everything that is not directly connected to our kids/husbands. I constantly see posts here justifying their stashes, justifying their purchases, even justifying their time to scrapbook! Why do we do this??? It's nobody's business how you spend your time and money.


For me I *know* it comes from being disabled. And, of course, being around super feminist friends who are all "WE CAN BE THE BREADWINNERS! Being a kept woman is so 50s, down with chauvanism!". I don't/can't bring any money into the house, my husband says it's enough that I contribute by having the dishes done when he gets home so he can cook, or doing the laundry and vacuuming occasionally. That's also very 50s. Does it work for us? Yeah, pretty well actually. But I've gotten a lot of crap for it over the years. Then add on how much I spend on crafting (though his hobbies cost more, it's his money) and I built up a lot of guilt. For a long time I thought "if I could just make money doing this, if I could still enjoy it while profiting from it, THAT will prove something!" Not only did I not enjoy trying to sell, but it didn't prove anything to anyone. And who gives a rat's poop what other people think of me, my hobbies, or my marriage!?


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Posted: 6/18/2013 5:24:06 AM
There was a thread recently where a Pea described her stash as being her collection, similar to how others might collect tea pots, books, maps, etc... That really helped me get my mind around my stash and if I was doing enough with it...

I have friends who are photographers who have a few different cameras, but also have a few old, collector camera that they don't ever use but that they have for the enjoyment of having them... Some are on display, some safely tucked in storage... Same with carpenters I know - they have a collection of old tools that aren't there to get used...

That Pea's statement made me realize that collecting is a part of many hobbies, and it seems that only craft type hobbies have the negative hoarding or wasteful connotation attached to having stuff around that isn't regularly used or used up... I have some papers and embellishments, and a stamp or two, that I never plan on using or getting rid of... They have a beauty in their design that makes them their own little work of art, and I have no desire to fit them into one of my projects... I like looking at them in the way I have pictures, artwork, sculpture, and pottery on display...

So I have my tools and working supplies, but I also have those collected items...

Others might not be able to tell which items are supplies and which are collected items, but I know and that's enough... I don't feel bad about my collection of things, and I don't feel bad about my supplies - no person (carpenter, photographer, sports enthusiast, potter, jewellery maker, etc), ever use ALL their supplies... Different projects/events call for different supplies and equipment... Just because you don't use all your supplies on every project doesn't mean the unused items are a waste to have around or that you should be findings ways to make money from them...

No one puts on every piece of sports equipment they own when they go out to play a game... Hockey pads only get put on for hockey... No one expects that you find a way to make money off them when they're sitting there in your basement while you're out playing golf...

Enjoy having what you love around you, and don't be intimidated into thinking you need to make money or in any other way justify what you have to anyone else



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Posted: 6/18/2013 7:08:04 AM
Just tell them you are doing your part to support the economy...and if they are a good American they will do the same
That usually shuts people up!

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Posted: 6/18/2013 7:12:41 AM
Yes, it bothers me a little when my family and friends make comments like that, but I just take them as they're meant - that the card they just received is REALLY nice! And my comment to them is, if you paid me for what that card is worth in materials and time, you couldn't afford me.

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Posted: 6/18/2013 5:22:56 PM
I get that a lot with my photography stuff and I always tell them, it's no longer fun for me if I have to make a living at it. It's work! I enjoy it as a hobby and it wouldn't be a hobby anymore if I expected to make money at it. I put WAY too much pressure on myself to ever enjoy making something for someone else for a profit so why even bother? I'll keep my day job and keep enjoying my hobbies, thank you!


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