Why does is seem like every single child needs braces these days?

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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:18:18 PM
I swear that nearly every child in my son's class needs braces, including him. When I was younger, we had a handful of kids who needed them. Now it's odd if you're told you don't.

Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this, but at $5,000-$7,000 a pop doesn't it seem odd that so many are told they need them? My son needs them for an over-bite. His teeth are perfectly straight, beautiful. But, we were told, this overbite will start really affecting him down the road when he's in his 40's! That's seriously what he said, lol.

Sigh...I'm probably thinking too hard about it.









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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:21:11 PM
I don't know. I wonder if kids then needed them and they weren't getting them. Seems DD doesn't need them. But DS had to have them in two phases and believe me when I tell you he needed them. He had a crossbite and exactly the same teeth as my DH. DH who also should have had them done as a kid, but didn't. I'm looking at the teeth my DS could have grown up to have.

I definitely see your point. Just not valid in our case.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:26:51 PM
I don't know. 3 of the 4 kids in my family needed them, and that was back in the '60s. Only 1 of my 2 kids really needed them (in the '90s) but my DD ended up getting them anyway, to correct a small gap between her front teeth that didn't bother the dentist but bothered DD.

I agree with Batya, that probably a lot of kids who could have benefited from them in past generations just didn't get them.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:28:56 PM
I think in the past there were a lot of kids who needed them but didn't get them (you just need to look at some adults' teeth now). However, I do think it can go too far the other way, in that kids who really don't need them get them.

I think that everyone is looking for perfection these days. You just have to look in the popularity of tooth whitening. Only movie stars got it in my day.

Now, if there's a physical reason a kid needs braces, that's totally different. My oldest DS started treatment at 9 or 10. He had an overbite so bad that his bottom jaw wasn't growing properly and his top teeth were wearing away the enamel on the bottom teeth. He had two phases of braces, and is now down to a retainer at night.

Youngest DS got his braces last year. He has really big teeth in a small mouth, and an overbite as well (not as bad as big brother's). I'm hoping his treatment will be shorter.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:43:32 PM
Here in the UK children can get basic dentistry on the NHS.They have to be pretty bad to get braces however. The rules were tightened up further a couple of years ago. My oldest son has very crooked teeth but the orthodontist said that alone would not have entitled him: only the fact that he has quite a severe over-bite entitled him to free treatment.My dauhter is the only person in our whole family (both sides) to have absolutely beautiful, straight teeth follwoing orthodontic treatment on the NHS.If I had to pay for the treatment, I'm afraid I couldn't have paid for it.
I think sometimes teeth can look nicer just a little 'un perfect', mine are not perfect but reasonably straight: if I had been facing the removal of 4 teeth to undergo orthodontic treatment at a child I would most certainly have said no.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:45:01 PM
My brother and I both had braces growing so thats 100% of kids in my family. I seem to recall most of my friends getting them. Both of my kids will get them (one next week) and I've seen their bite pics and its obvious even to my untrained eye that they need them. I'm guessing that in the past, more people needed them than those that actually got them.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:50:50 PM
I think they are being put on too young. My dd is 8. She has only lost about 8 baby teeth. Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 12:50:54 PM
All the kids in my family (me, my brother and sister) needed braces. Virtually all my friends had them at some point as well. My dad even wore them back in the 50s!

My older daughter just had a palate expander put in, in preparation for braces 2 years down the road (she really needs them - her bite isn't too bad, but her teeth are very crowded and some adult teeth have come in well behind the main tooth line because there is no room).

I don't know if there were fewer kids that needed them back then, or if it's just that it's something that more parents are willing to pay for now in this age of double income families. I think straight teeth and a nice smile are really important and worth paying for.

ETA: kelleykreates, the reason they have them seen younger these days is because they can put in an expander at a younger age rather than having to pull teeth to make room when they're older. My dd is 9. She won't get braces until she's 11 or older, depending on when her baby teeth come out, but the expander goes in now. If I can prevent her from having teeth pulled, I will.



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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:01:29 PM
I think the dentists and ortho's are in on it together. Our dentist wanted dd to go and see the ortho for a gap in her two front teeth. We didn't take her, because we knew they would stick braces on her at a silly age of 8-9 years old. She is now almost 16 and her teeth are coming together and she still doesn't have all her molars in, so it would seem that when they do come in, the teeth will move together more.

This is how it was for dh and I. Neither of us had braces, both of us had gaps and by 18 we both had perfectly straight teeth.

My ds, had to have braces, and the Herbst (sp?) appliance. He had an underbite and one front tooth heading west and one heading east. His teeth still aren't perfect, even after 7k worth of braces, and permanent retainers on the back of his teeth.

Nine out of ten kids we know have/had braces now. I had two friends with braces when I was a kid, and they had horrible teeth, so there was an obvious need.

I don't have any idea what changed in oral health but there sure is a market for braces.

ETA: When my dd went to the dentist in July he made a comment on how "beautifully" her teeth were coming together. Imagine that! LOL!


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:02:51 PM

I think they are being put on too young. My dd is 8. She has only lost about 8 baby teeth. Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.


Thirty-five years ago when I was a just 8, I started seeing an orthodontist too. My dentist recommended I go for a consult. It was years later before I actually got braces on. My twins have been seeing an orthodontist since they were 9 and one has a palate expander now at age 10 and is getting braces next week. The way the orthodontist explained it to me, if we take advantage of his growing spurts now, we can move the teeth a lot easier then when his growth has slowed down. And conversely, the longer we wait and the more his overbite gets developed, the more it will take to move the teeth in the future. And by putting a palate expander in now, we can hopefully avoid permanent teeth getting veered off course.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:05:46 PM
B/c dentists and orthos make a lot of money from them?

I have an acquaintance whose father is a dentist, you should hear some of the things she says about people, "I hope so&so decides to have my Dad fix her teeth, he'll tell her she needs braces and it will be big bucks for us." This girl is well into her 20s and old enough to know better.

We are blessed in that we have a wonderful, honest dentist, but I've had and heard of a lot of crooked ones too.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:09:05 PM


My friend was told last week that her son did not need braces from an ortho, as he only has a very minor repair. But she is having him get them. The ortho knocked $2000. off.

As far as the whole palate expander. I had two different orthos tell me, at different times, that my two ds's needed a palate expander. I took them elsewhere, the orthos we used said they didn't need them, and their teeth are beautiful. Youngest ds gets them off on Thursday!!

Several people I know, who started their kids at 8-9 yo. with treatment had to repeat the treatment. Silly to start that young.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:10:51 PM
because Orthodontists make a buttload of money, and more insurance companies are kicking in... so why wouldn't they say your kid needs braces?

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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:14:14 PM
I've known a lot of adults who have gotten braces because they didn't in their youth. I've also seen a lot of adults with jacked up teeth.

My middle child is destined for braces as his front teeth have come in at about a 45 degree angle. He's 9 and has already seen an Ortho. For now he's just watching his teeth and making recommendations about extractions and spacers, which the dentist does. We haven't had to pay anything out to the Ortho for that service. Ds is a slow tooth loser and has only lost 8 teeth so far, 4 of which had to be extracted to make room for adult teeth to come in.

My oldest had spacers put in years ago and his teeth have come in very nicely. We are hoping we have missed the braces train for him. He's 12 now and has almost all his adult teeth in place. Straight and more or less where they are supposed to be.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:16:19 PM
Wow, you all have a really low opinion of the orthodontists, don't you? Seems they're right above used car salesmen on the money grubbing con men list.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:24:23 PM
My sister is the only one out of 3 kids that needed braces.

I have 5 kids and we know for sure that 2 of them need braces.


I think they are being put on too young. My dd is 8. She has only lost about 8 baby teeth. Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.
My dd is only 8 as well and we took her to the orthodontist already. She has a very small, narrow palate, crooked teeth, and big teeth...which is leaving no room for more teeth to grow in. You can tell a lot by x-rays and just because all the baby teeth aren't out yet, or adult teeth not in yet, there is still a lot they can tell about how those teeth will come in and any issues they may have. My dd had 3 baby pulled last week and is getting a palate expander on the top and bottom in a few weeks.

Waiting until she is older is not a good option. They want to do this now while she is still growing. If the palate expanders do their job, she may not have to have extra work done later as she will have the room she needs for her adult teeth to grow in.

I think of it like this: if she had an arm or leg that growing wrong, we'd do what ever we needed to correct it..we wouldn't wait until she was older to see if it fixed itself. The same way with her teeth. Her jaw is not growing right, so we are fixing it. Why would you not at least have a consultation with an orthodontist if that is what your dentist is telling you to do?


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:42:24 PM
What really bothers me about the whole braces thing is that they have them on 2 to 3 times!
I think that is ridiculous.

We've waited until all of the baby teeth are out before treatment was started.


Also to the above poster my DH had horrible teeth and his parents never took care of him. He had them as an adult and has lovely teeth. I'm so glad he did and so is he. He would never smile fully. All of our children have my DH small mouth so they will all be getting braces. Just after their baby teeth come out.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:47:26 PM
I am so happy to see this question come up as I have been wondering the exact same thing! It seems like all of my dd's friends have made appointments or have been told they need to see an ortho.

When I was growing up, only one of my friends had braces. It was not the norm to have them in the 70's where I lived.

I can understand the argument that things are easier to fix when they are younger. In our situation, our dentist said she should have 2 of her bottom baby teeth pulled as there isn't enough room for the adult teeth coming in next to these baby teeth. As a result, they're coming in a little crooked.




I think they are being put on too young. My dd is 8. She has only lost about 8 baby teeth. Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.


This is our exact situation!








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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:53:25 PM
We have two children - one needed braces and one did not. But, then I did not, and Dh did.

I'd say it was rare to not have braces even when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:53:50 PM
I had bottom braces and headgear as a child. My parents divorced before I could get my top braces so I never did. I'm the only child that had braces. For my family I think it was a combination of finances and need. I had the worst teeth and I was the oldest.

Now it seems like people all want a perfect smile instead of a smile with any imperfection. Our 11 yr old will probably need braces as her eye teeth are pretty crooked. But both of her dentists (one moved) have said to wait a while


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Posted: 8/3/2010 1:55:14 PM
My daughter's orthodontist is performing freaking miracles on her teeth. She's actually missing three permanent teeth - they just weren't there. A few of her friends have braces and they all needed them. She got them at the end of 6th grade and will have them the summer after 8th grade. Seriously worth every penny. I have always had straight teeth and my husband really should have had braces as a kid. I think a lot of people of my generation probably needed braces, but didn't get them. I'm guessing that daughter #2 will need them too. I am very thankful that fixing my daughter's teeth was something we could easily afford.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 2:03:28 PM
I started ortho treatment 18 months (or so) ago. I wish my parents had done it when i was a teen instead of paying for it myself when I was in my 20s. All those horribly debilitating headaches I've had could have been avoided. I had an overbite and a v shaped (instead of horseshoe shaped) top teeth. It meant my bottom teeth didn't go forward enough which meant my jaw muscle were stressed constantly which meant horrid headaches.

Honestly? my teeth didn't look horrid. There was one eye tooth that was up too high but that was about it or so I thought. The health issues I've had because of my teeth not being in the correct spot are awful though!


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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:03:27 PM
Because we're freakin' obsessed with perfect teeth, perfect eyes, perfect skin, perfect bodies. Who freakin' cares?!?

I was told I needed braces when I was about 12. My parents told me they couldn't afford something that was largely cosmetic. I was given a choice between contacts (I hated my glasses) or braces. I opted for contacts.

Why can't crooked teeth be a part of your character? Mine are not perfect. I do need some work but I'm not gonna get braces.



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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:18:18 PM
Weston A. Price, DDS, dentist turned anthropologist and author, believed that "no one needed braces in societies consuming traditional foods."




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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:26:07 PM

My dd is 8. She has only lost about 8 baby teeth. Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.
I have 8 yo twins who are having an ortho consult next week. They both have a couple of baby teeth left in the top row. One child has an overbite, the other child has tongue-thrust. Our pediatric dentist has been on us for well over a year to get them evaluated, so I feel like I'm a bit behind.

FWIW, my sister had braces, but I didn't.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:34:13 PM
I understand that ppl want perfect teeth/smiles. However, there are more and more super young kids getting them now, and I have heard stories of ppl having to do another round of braces with their children when they are older because they had them done too young. I do get that many of the kids actually need them, but I also think some orthos/dentists will basically look for any reason to justify recommending them.

I know I'm over thinking the entire deal, but when I have to pay $6000 out of pocket I'm going think pretty hard about it. Spending money makes me cranky sometimes, lol.

Now that you mention it, when I was younger I'm sure it was only the families that could afford to have them that got them, and many went without when they needed them. It makes me wonder how so many seem to afford them these days?









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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:35:43 PM

I think in the past there were a lot of kids who needed them but didn't get them (you just need to look at some adults' teeth now).


I agree. My parents were told it was optional, but once my wisdom teeth came in they became much worse. I am planning on getting braces in the future, but wish I would have done it when I was younger. My kids' teeth aren't horrible, but we're having theirs done so they won't have to deal with it later (my son is getting his put on in two days).


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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:47:04 PM

It makes me wonder how so many seem to afford them these days?
Between my dental insurance and my husband's, we have more than half of the (projected) expense covered. We can also use one of our pre-tax reimbursement plans to cover the out of pocket.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:52:57 PM

It makes me wonder how so many seem to afford them these days?


Our dental insurance has pretty good orthodontic coverage.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 3:55:41 PM
Both of my ds had gaps as babies and oldest ds still has braces on and youngest ds will def. need braces.

I have beautiful teeth, so did my brother.....DH has ok teeth minor crooked but not enough for braces..... but dang if both kids don't need them. Bad gaps........ I will have invested a min. of probably 15,000 for just orthodontist work on my kids......YIKES




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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:04:12 PM
I along with my three brothers all had braces. My older two brothers and I all had 4 adult teeth pulled because there was no room for the teeth. My younger brother had the jaw expander (it was just being used about that time). I had braces on twice, first in 5th grade. I could have kept them on 6-8th grade, but nothing was happening so they took them off and then I got them back on from 8th-summer before soph year.

We never went to Disney as kids because every time there was a plan a new kid needed braces. I am forever thankful that my parents chose straight teeth over Disney.

I think because of all I went through for my teeth, they are the first thing I notice on someone. If I see someone with crooked teeth I always wonder why their parents did not get them braces. I guess some people just could not afford it.

My oldest two boys will definitely need braces, not sure about the youngest. The oldest will be a pretty simple treatment plan, whereas the middle will involve an expander and possible two courses of braces. Fortunately for my kids we will be able to afford Disney and braces, but that is a chunk of change!


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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:05:03 PM
My DD is almost 12 and we are consulting orthodontists now. We have seen two and off to see one more.

Our dentist wanted to wait until all her baby teeth fell out. Now she does have one baby tooth, but it may have to be extracted (impacted). Her appt. is for a couple weeks, but she is trying to get it to wiggle, unsuccessfully.

My husband and his brother had braces. My DD, the oldest, has beautiful teeth both orthodontists have said, except for an overbite. It is so bad that one of her front teeth, when resting, peeks out onto her lip. She calls it her snaggletooth, but I can clearly see it bothers her.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:27:03 PM

Our dentist already suggested I take her to the orthodontist. I asked how she could tell at this early stage, she's still got a lot of baby teeth left and 2 of her adult teeth haven't even started to come in yet. I think not.


My daughter had a pallet expander and headgear at age 7. She's now 10 and just got braces in June (she's lost all her baby teeth). So far the change in the shape/function of her mouth is unbelievable. When I look at pictures when she first started and now - it's amazing. Starting treatment earlier many times means treatment will be shorter (the younger the more bendable). I told my daughter she will be lucky because her braces will be coming off when many of her friends are getting them - she'll be done before middle school.

I do love our orthodontist. Our dentist felt that my son (then 14yo) needed braces. I took him to the orthodontist and he said no, braces would just be cosmetic for him and he has really nice teeth already. For my daughter, our estimate was $4,300. When it came time to put the braces on and pay, the charges were $600 less. If our orthodontist wanted to rip us off he could have said nothing and stuck with the estimate - that's what we were prepared to pay and wouldn't have known the difference.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:29:33 PM

It makes me wonder how so many seem to afford them these days?
0% interest payment plan. My ortho treatment was $7250 and insurance didn't cover a penny. I didn't want to do it but dh insisted that I needed to do it for my health. So we made payments, I have almost pretty teeth and no more headaches. I say almost pretty teeth because treatment isn't done yet.

Some people have really good insurance though that does cover cost of braces or at least part of the cost of it. Other people save up and pay cash.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:32:04 PM
Wow. We have a lot of experts on this thread!


Several people I know, who started their kids at 8-9 yo. with treatment had to repeat the treatment. Silly to start that young.


It's not silly. It's a deliberate two phase treatment.

And we don't have any dental insurance. It's all OOP for us.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:32:45 PM

It makes me wonder how so many seem to afford them these days?


My oldest dd will be getting braces about the time my car is paid off; the younger, about the time DH's is. We'll just be trading one payment for another.



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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:46:38 PM
My suspicion is that kids who needed them didn't get them in the past. I see a lot of adults wearing braces these days, not for crooked teeth but for bad bites (which can cause grinding and breaking of teeth and other bad things). I had braces, as did 4 of my 5 siblings (and the 5th one should have had them). DH didn't have braces, but he has crooked teeth and wishes he'd had them as a kid. D16 had braces for 3 years - she needed them in a big way. D14 doesn't have braces and doesn't need them. Her teeth aren't absolutely perfect, but her bite is. The jury is out on D10, because she doesn't have all her permanent teeth yet. the pediatric dentist is keeping an eye on her bite. I suspect she'll need them, but at least she didn't need any early work done. There are certainly kids at my DDs' schools who have not had braces, but I'd say at least 75%, probably more, have had them.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:58:56 PM

It's not silly. It's a deliberate two phase treatment.


I have known a few people that this is true for, but I also know some who were told that if they did the treatments when the kids were young, they wouldn't have to have braces in the tough middle/high school years and they did have to have them redone. My niece is in this situation now. She is almost 14 and they are being told they will have to "re-do" her treatment.

My parents were very lax on dental care. All three of us should have had braces but none of us did. DH and both of his siblings did have them. Currently, of all the older grandkids, my two had braces and my niece is on round 2. The 3 nephews did not need them. It will be interesting to see if the younger ones will need them when they are older. I never thought our older DS would need them because his teeth looked fine, but he did have an overbite. With younger DS, it was always pretty clear that he would need them and his teeth look great now.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 4:59:15 PM
My oldest has nice, straight teeth, so she's in the clear according to her dentist. My second oldest had an extra upper tooth that pushed all the others out of alignment, so he definitely has orthodontia in his future.

My mom had mine done when I was 17, when she finally had insurance to cover it. Though I'm grateful now that she did it, I started college with braces. Yuck. Then I wore a retainer for several years. We have the insurance to help cover whatever my kids will need.







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Posted: 8/3/2010 5:05:09 PM
The cynic in me says its because orthodontists are good at convincing parents into doing things that may not always be necessary? I think many children have "good enough" teeth, but heaven forbid that they don't have perfect teeth! Must fix that! This does NOT include those with malformations in the mouth and jaw.

Again, that's my cynic view on the subject. I can't bring myself to believe that ALL these kids I see with braces are truly need them.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 5:07:42 PM

I have known a few people that this is true for, but I also know some who were told that if they did the treatments when the kids were young, they wouldn't have to have braces in the tough middle/high school years and they did have to have them redone. My niece is in this situation now. She is almost 14 and they are being told they will have to "re-do" her treatment.


I have never heard that. In fact, for those I know who get braces, either it's a two phase plan or the one time teenage procedure. And I can't think of that many kids in braces, regardless. Maybe it's regional.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 5:18:21 PM
The cost of our daughter's braces is $4700. Dental insurance covered about $700. We were able to use a flexible spending account to take off close to $1000. I make a payment of $177 each month. I think I have five more payments before they are paid for.

As far as this being cosmetic, it's not like we are getting our daughter a nose job. You could have stuck a pencil in the gap between her front teeth. She had all sorts of other goofy teeth in there as well. Sure we could have said it brought character to her face, but I'm sorry I can't do that to her when I can afford to fix this. Even if her teeth were just moderately crooked, i would have fixed them.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 5:24:12 PM


Several people I know, who started their kids at 8-9 yo. with treatment had to repeat the treatment. Silly to start that young.


It's not silly. It's a deliberate two phase treatment.


Exactly.... dd's front adult teeth were in and they were all messed up and kids were calling her names.... rather than wait on this and endure the wrath of middle school kids, we decided to handle her orthodontics in two phases - front adult teeth first, and the rest later when all the adult teeth were in. I'm happy with the outcome... dd is 18 and her teeth are fine. We have not had to have them redone.

Also, I really needed ortho as a child, but parents did not have the money or insurance coverage. My dh has a benefits pkg that paid a huge chunk of dd's ortho...so we went for it.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 5:47:48 PM

My nephew has had braces twice. They were told to do them young, & he'd be good to go. Unfortunately, he just had them put on again, & will have them another couple of year's.

I waited a little longer to get my DD's braces, it's what felt right to me after researching.

She was lucky, only had them for 10 months in 6th grade.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 6:56:04 PM
3 of my 4 kids needed/will need them.

My oldest DD's front 2 top teeth came in with a large gap in the center and one of the teeth was slightly sticking forward. She had to have her...is it called a frenulum? cut in an effort to help the teeth push together, but it didn't work. So she wound up with braces. She also had to have an appliance that pushed her tongue back because apparently she naturally pushes forward on her teeth, causing them to move forward.

My second DD's teeth are slightly crooked but only just barely and certainly not enough to need braces. She actually has a beautiful smile and really doesn't need them.

My third DD was sooo close to being like DD #2, but then one of her front teeth grew in behind the others so it will have to be straightened out/brought forward.

My son has the same gap going on that my oldest had, so I know we're looking at braces in his future.



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Posted: 8/3/2010 7:03:58 PM
Well I'm one of those adults in their 40s (almost 50) That got braces and right now would like to get them again. When my wisdom teeth were removed a few years ago EVERYTHING shifted once more.

One friend about 10 years older, never had braces and has had serious TMJ stuff, looking at her smile you would wonder why? But the upper and lower jaws aren't matching and she's had several surgeries over the last two decades. Their son had some similar bone structure and was in braces. He's nearly 30 now and NO TMJ issues at all.

ETA: I was 3 when all of my dental stuff started, I had a congenital trouble with my teeth, it is remarkable that I have them at all.


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Posted: 8/3/2010 7:10:26 PM
my sister just got them today! i think the needed them for her overbite. her teeth are pretty straight but once they all move in it will be crowded and she needs them to straighten out. or thats what i think she needs them for. i think 8 is way to young, aren't they suppose to wait till all their baby teeth have fallen out? luckily for me, all i needed was a retainer!





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Posted: 8/3/2010 7:15:07 PM
I think I probably should have had braces as a kid but it just wasn't affordable to us. Back then, if your teeth were crooked, they just pulled a couple to make room.

I trust my dentist - he's excellent. And also a personal friend. So when he referred us to an ortho when our DD was around 9, we went. We did annual checkups for 3 years that didn't cost us a cent - they were just monitoring and measuring her overbite. She's still in this holding pattern of free checkups. When DS was referred also last year, we went to the ortho, received his treatment recommendation, and went back to our regular dentist to have his opinion. Upon his approval, we went ahead with the palate expander. I don't think our ortho is recommending stuff that's not required - and if he was, I certainly wouldn't be shelling out a penny until I had a second opinion from someone I had a longer and trusted professional relationship with.

We went ahead with DS's expander as it was only $400 out of pocket and the rest was covered by insurance. DD needs an expander and full blown braces, so we're waiting until I can sign up for my extended dental next month then it will be 100% covered - half by DH's existing plan, the other half by mine. Her need for braces is totally obvious, no question about it.

But if you don't have dental insurance, or only partial insurance, orthos put patients on payment plans over the lifespan of the braces, which can be a couple years.

Tanya, what does your regular dentist say about the need for braces for your DS?


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Posted: 8/3/2010 9:13:52 PM

I think in the past there were a lot of kids who needed them but didn't get them (you just need to look at some adults' teeth now). However, I do think it can go too far the other way, in that kids who really don't need them get them.



I agree. If you look at my DH's teeth, you can see that he should have had braces. His teeth are so crammed together in the front, that a few are even crooked now.

On the other hand, I was offered the suggestion to gert braces over and over again as a kid due to having a Lauren Hutton/David Letterman smile. I used to jam pretzel sticks in between my 2 front teeth as a kid.

But my teeth were in great shape. I got my very first cavity after DS #1 was born....at age 29. I blame him.

Let's face it...it's hard to get stuff stuck between your teeth when they are so far apart.

So, DH wishes he had had them, and I'm fine with my choice not to have them. (And yes, my parents let me choose, since at the time, the dentist pretty much told them it was cosmetic.)

However, DS has really tightly packed teeth like DH, so his dentist warned us ages ago that he'll likely need them, and I think she's completely right.

Maybe DS #2 will be the kid able floss his teeth with 2x4s like me.

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Posted: 8/3/2010 9:20:43 PM
Oh, and for me the gap is absolutely hereditary. So, I could easily guess as a kid that the gap wouldn't be closing on its own one day. All I needed to do was look at my Dad, uncle, great grandfather, etc. to see the pattern.

I never got wisdom teeth, so I have a ton of room in the back of my mouth, so with my luck, my teeth may shift in the other direction and that darn gap may actually grow!
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