In your honest opinion, why did John McCain lose the election in 2008?
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:02:27 PM
And - if he had won, what would he have done differently - what would the economy be like now? how would his presidency have affected foreign policy? how would international or global issues have been handled?

And thinking forward - if the presidential candidate that you will vote for this year is elected, what do you foresee for the next 4 years?

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:03:10 PM
I'll just toss this out there, kinda crazy, but...
Sarah Palin.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:03:47 PM
What do I think? Sarah Palin.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:04:33 PM
Honestly? McCain was old, the media villified Palin, and Obama was black. There was no way Obama was going to lose. None.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:05:41 PM
McCain wouldn't have down stimulus, let the Muslim brotherhood go unchecked, or bailed out industries.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:07:02 PM
Sarah Palin.

And no matter who wins the presidency, I think things will remain pretty much the same. (I don't want them to, but without bridging a divide between the parties I don't see much hope.)
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:07:05 PM
Palin. I probably would have voted McCain if he hadn't had Palin.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:07:50 PM
Absolutely Sarah Palin.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:09:24 PM
Sarah Palin

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:10:19 PM

Palin. I probably would have voted McCain if he hadn't had Palin.


This is me, too. The choice of Palin showed such a complete lack of good judgment that I couldn't possibly vote for McCain.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:10:33 PM
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:11:01 PM
A mix od his age, Sarah Palin and media coverage/image creation and celebrity endorsement of Obama. I can't believe I went there with Obama, but I believe it played a role.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:11:28 PM
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:11:38 PM
Sarah Palin and suspending his campaign to deal with the economic crisis.

It's hard to say what would be different if he had won. The tea party would not exist so the last Congressional elections would have probably gone a different way. Lots of gridlock still.

Don't know what would be different in foreign policy either because I don't know which camp he would have had advising him. We might have been at war in Syria and Iran.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:11:56 PM
McCain himself was old and not very appealing. Add Sarah Palin and it was all downhill from there. Plus Obama had great momentum going into the election. He had quite the following.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:12:17 PM
Sarah Palin.

Not only was she a terribly choice b/c of her own shortcomings as a VP candidate, but it was a visible reminder of his terrible judgment and lack of good vetting by his people.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:13:42 PM
I think McCain lost because he had Sarah Palin as his running mate and because Obama is black.

I think the economy would be better than it is now but it still wouldn't be what it should be. I dont believe the rating would have dropped, though. I believe foreign policy would be much, much different and the USA wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world.

I believe Romney will change the economy around. Very, very slowly, but I think it will happen.
I also think he will get our world reputation back to where it was before Obama mutilated it.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:14:28 PM
"Honestly? McCain was old, the media villified Palin, and Obama was black. There was no way Obama was going to lose. None."

This. Totally.

And for everyone of you who didn't vote for him because of Sarah, there is someone who voted for him because of her. Like me. Who didn't fall for the SNL caricature of her.






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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:14:38 PM
My first thought was Sarah Palin, but I do agree that a lot of people wanted to 'be a part of history' and vote for the first black president. I heard so many people say that.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:16:21 PM
"It's hard to say what would be different if he had won. The tea party would not exist so the last Congressional elections would have probably gone a different way"

This is probably very true.





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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:17:30 PM
Palin and he was a republican. The USA wanted a democrat.

I get upset when ever I think about what could have been... He was someone who had thinking about crossing party lines a lot like Clinton did.

I am a democrat and I voted for McCain. He was the best man for the job IMHO.

I'm still not sure why we don't have Mrs. Clinton in the White House I was all ready to swear in our first female president.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:21:29 PM
I know for me and several of my friends it was almost completely because of Sarah Palin. John McCain isn't a spring chicken. We could easily see him dying in office and then we would all be stuck with her running our country. Throw in his anti abortion stance and there you go.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:27:24 PM

I was voting against President Obama, and not necessarily for McCain, but I would never have voted for a democratic party. I think Biden would be tens times worse than Palin.



And I see that as even more irresponsible...not being able to see past the *party* to the candidate.

However, I should have used the words 'may have'. I may have voted McCain. When I voted for Obama it wasn't to avoid McCain, or even to avoid Palin...it was because he represented more what I believe. But honestly, I liked McCain and at the time I was still fence riding. As it turned out, I ended up liking more Obama more and more and McCain less and less and *part* of that was Palin.

And I sure as hell didn't vote for Obama because he was black and I wanted to make history.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:27:31 PM
Weak candidate, had really no chance against either leading Democrat.

Gov Palin was going to be vilified no matter what she did or didn't do. Same as ANY other VP McCain would have chose.

As to the "Tea Party" that was starting long before 2008, it was more AGAINST the political insiders and power brokers. At the "roots" occupy and tea party have much in common, but very different methods of showing it.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:34:07 PM
I was a supporter of John McCain his first run for the presidency. I think he lost because he pandered to the far right in his party. Sarah Palin was just one part of that. The candidate who ran against Obama was a very different candidate than the one who ran against Bush. I am happy that he seems to have reverted to his old self after the election as I have a lot of respect for him.

I don't think much would be different though. Economically his policies probably would have been similar to Obama's policies, I think he would have possible been more aggressive militarily which I think would have been bad for the country, and we would not have healthcare reform which I think is a good think, but I know many disagree.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:36:13 PM

A mix od his age,

like biden?


mcc wouldn't challenge BO.

BO was black and blacks would vote for him - those who'd never voted before.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:36:16 PM
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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:37:21 PM
Why does it matter? He lost. What can be gained from this?


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:39:37 PM
For me it was:
Palin
His (hopefully former) temper and how that would affect how
he would handle foreign policy
The whole maybe switching parties thing. That really bothered me,
for whatever reason. He *had* the mentality to cross the aisle,
but then he re-affirmed the mantle of his party ... and the impression
I got was he was just another "company man". Funny how I managed
to read so much into his flat voice about it (when it happened), but in
my eyes he sold out and stayed because he was a Republican. I was
really disappointed--I thought his heart wasn't in it at the time.

I did not vote for Obama because he is black.
And I would not vote a woman in *just* because she is a woman.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:40:39 PM
The economy was the reason McCain lost. Historically, we always oust the party in control when the economy is bad. This has happened to both Democrats and Republicans. Palin is a scapegoat. He was losing before he chose her. And like someone else said, for every vote he lost because of her, he probably gained a vote because of her. I know several people that showed up to vote only so they could vote for her.

What would be different? No way to really know. I think more focus would have been on foreign affairs. Obamacare wouldn't exist. But I'm not all convinced that anything would be different in the economy. Maybe a little more consumer and small business confidence.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:41:48 PM
Partly Sarah Palin, partly because many people were fatigued with P. Bush and wanted someone very different.

How would things have been different? I think that we would have had a more aggressive foreign policy.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:43:15 PM

In your honest opinion, why did John McCain lose the election in 2008?


I have tremendous respect for John McCain. I didn't want him as the Republican candidate.

Not because of Sarah Palin, but because he didn't represent me well.




if he had won, what would he have done differently - what would the economy be like now?


McCain immediately turned to Washington when the housing crisis hit. He made it his priority, even though he was heavily campaigning.

He would have focused on the economy, not on passing the massive Obamacare that redirected resources that we.do.not.have to redirect. The recession would have still happened, but we would be out of it by now.




how would his presidency have affected foreign policy?

McCain would not have been as susceptible to believing that terrorism wasn't still a threat.

He would not have announced an end date.

He would not have spiked the football over Bin Laden's death, nor would he have taken credit for it.




how would international or global issues have been handled?

IDK how he would have dealt with the idea of global warming, but he would not have thrown so great an amount at these companies that were already turned down - think Solyndra.





thinking forward - if the presidential candidate that you will vote for this year is elected, what do you foresee for the next 4 years?


I foresee more balance being returned to the US. We are WAY out of balance now.

Health care will still be a major issue, but under good management, we may actually be on our way to a workable solution rather than pushing us all to the brink of financial disaster.

Our military will get the real respect they deserve. There won't be months pass without meetings in person. Foreign heads of state of our ally countries will be treated as our allies.



How's that for a start?






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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:43:23 PM
I will answer the thread title question. I think, personal opinion, that he lost for 2 reasons - first, Sarah Palin. second, Barak Obama - people wanted to be part of that history making event; the first person of color to be our nation's president.

I don't think coming after nearly a decade of Bush/Cheney did him any favors.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:44:27 PM

BO was black and blacks would vote for him - those who'd never voted before.

Of course. We SHOULD encourage a significant portion of Americans not to engage in the democratic process and vote. And heaven forbid they actually become INVOLVED in our system of government because you know you just can't trust those dark-skinned types.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:44:46 PM
I honestly there there were 3 main reasons

1) He chose Sarah Palin as his running mate - a virtual unknown until then - it seemed he was only choosing her to try to get the "women" vote because of Hillary being out of the race. She just wasn't the best choice at that time.

2) As someone else said, I think many African Americans that may not have usually voted were determined to help elect him. I don't mean this to sound racist - I don't mean it that way, honestly but I think that as a race, many saw it as their chance to get a black man elected as president and therefore made sure they turned out to vote, even if they may have never voted before. I also think some people may have voted for him just because he was black without even knowing his platform.

3) I think John McCain's age also worked against him, not that he was incapable of serving at that age but that he may be a higher risk factor health-wise and if something were to happen to him, then Sarah Palin would become president. I think some people also may have been nervous of having a woman as president if that were to occur.

Please don't bash - I was asked for an HONEST opinion.

For the record, I voted for Obama in 2008, I am leaning towards voting for him again but am still undecided at the moment.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:49:23 PM

I think many black people that may not have usually voted were determined to vote so he would be elected. I don't mean this to sound racist - I don't mean it that way, honestly but I think that as a race, many saw it as their chance to get a black man elected as president and therefore made sure they turned out to vote, even if they may have never voted before. I also think some people may have voted for him just because he was black without even knowing his platform.




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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:52:25 PM

Are you Skybar's twin?

Heavens NO - we are so opposite on the political pole that it isn't even funny. If you had kept reading, you will see that I support President Obama, whereas Skybar has obvious distaste for him.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:52:58 PM
FWIW - I don't think that voting for the first black American president because he is black was racist.

I think it was a completely valid reason entirely on it's own.






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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:53:01 PM

In your honest opinion, why did John McCain lose the election in 2008?

Old white man Republican verses young black man (making history) with a vilified in the press former Republican president.



And - if he had won, what would he have done differently - what would the economy be like now? how would his presidency have affected foreign policy? how would international or global issues have been handled?

I don't know if the Democrat majority in the Senate and the House would have been the same, but if it was, we'd see gridlock from them. I think the economy would more likely follow past history and be better now, (not perfect, but better).

If McCain followed Bush's plan like Obama has, we would be out of the Iraq War, but I don't think Al Qaeda would have taken hold like they have now.


And thinking forward - if the presidential candidate that you will vote for this year is elected, what do you foresee for the next 4 years?

Definitely economy better, but I think we're heading toward a double dip recession so it will be bad before it gets better.


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This. Totally.

And for everyone of you who didn't vote for him because of Sarah, there is someone who voted for him because of her. Like me. Who didn't fall for the SNL caricature of her.

I agree.

McCain was getting behind and only started to close the gap and even get ahead when Palin was chosen. If she hadn't been chosen, the margin of loss would have been much bigger.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:54:19 PM
Sarah Palin.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:57:15 PM

And for everyone of you who didn't vote for him because of Sarah, there is someone who voted for him because of her. Like me. Who didn't fall for the SNL caricature of her.


And, there are plenty who wouldn't have voted for him even if Palin wasn't his running mate.

I think it was a mixture of the economy, folks tired of 8 years of a Republican campaign, his age/running mate and the charisma and optimism of the Obama campaign.

The Democratic base was very motivated. Obama appealed to a lot of independents/undecideds and Palin turned a lot of those same voters off.

We wouldn't have the ACA. Sotomayor and Kagen would not be on the Supreme Court.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:00:40 PM
Palin and McCain changed when he ran.




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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:03:17 PM
Palin......when he announced her as his running mate, his fate was sealed.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:05:02 PM
I still wholeheartedly believe McCain played the female card in choosing Palin because of the overnight momentum Obama gained. Had McCain chosen a middle-of the-pack, not too crazy MALE candidate, I think the race would've been incredibly close as I strongly beleive american voters would've eventually voted for an experienced candidate.

BUT...BECAUSE he chose to play the female card...Palin was placed under the microscope and torn apart to shreds.

I see Palin now in DWTS and feel bad for her. I'm sure she's smart and capable of many things, but the media will count on her to continously put her foot in her mouth. Even though she's 'relatively irrelevant' I think the media will always 'keep score' on her.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:07:35 PM

The economy was the reason McCain lost. Historically, we always oust the party in control when the economy is bad. This has happened to both Democrats and Republicans. Palin is a scapegoat. He was losing before he chose her. And like someone else said, for every vote he lost because of her, he probably gained a vote because of her. I know several people that showed up to vote only so they could vote for her.


Good points.


if he had won, what would he have done differently - what would the economy be like now?
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McCain immediately turned to Washington when the housing crisis hit. He made it his priority, even though he was heavily campaigning.

He would have focused on the economy, not on passing the massive Obamacare that redirected resources that we.do.not.have to redirect. The recession would have still happened, but we would be out of it by now.

Although I didn't like McCain doing that (and I think was part of the reason why he lost), it does show that McCain was more focused on the economy then Obama.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:15:46 PM
According to Rasmussen, I was wrong, it wasn't the economy. But so are those blaming it on Palin. They blame it on McCain giving up.

McCain didn't lead until after the GOP convention. Then he lost the lead. But he lost it before Palin's infamous interview with Katie Couric which was the beginning of the real trouncing she got.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:44:01 PM
I remember after the election in '08 there was much to do in the media that Americans were proud to have elected their first African-American president. So, I think it is naive to think that race was not a factor in the election.

Obama was the least qualified candidate of the Democratic line-up. I am still amazed yo this day that Hillary Clinton was not the nominee.




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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:47:16 PM
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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:55:39 PM
Sarah Palin.

I'm really surprised that a lot of you think Obama won because he's black, because where I live, racism is alive and well.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:56:06 PM
I honestly believe that Sarah Palin sealed his fate.

I also think that while the Black vote is constantly referenced, a more valid group to look at was young voters. Obama energized the first time voters like no one had in a very long time. I don't think he has that same following this time around.

Personally, I was supporting Hilary. When Obama got the nomination, I was leaning toward McCain, whom I have always liked. When he nominated Palin, I was intrigued. But the more I saw of her, the less I liked. I went into the voting booth still torn and wanting to vote 3rd party. Afterwards, talking to friends, I found several who had the same experience. Most of them were long term Republicans who had never voted for a Democratic candidate before. Sarah Palin turned all of them off to voting for McCain. I have other friends who did vote for him and liked her, but they were voting for him either way. I do not know a single person who voted for him because they liked her.

In my lunch group at work, two of the women were Black (well, they still are, but only one still works there). One of them despises Obama. She did not vote for him and will not this election. The other one, who is a military spouse and devout Christian, voted for him simply because she did not like McCain. My cousin's husband is Black. He loves Obama and is still a great supporter. All anectodal, but in my experience, the President's popularity among Blacks is not different than it is among whites. Some love him, some hate him, and some tolerate him.

ANd using this logic:


And for everyone of you who didn't vote for him because of Sarah, there is someone who voted for him because of her. Like me. Who didn't fall for the SNL caricature of her.


For all the Blacks who voted for Obama just because he was Black, there were whites who didn't vote for him because he was Black. Some voters can see past skin color.
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