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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:17:03 PM
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I am completely traumatized....seriously. We did NOT need to know that things were eating Lexi.

I think they went too far. Drinking airplane fuel? Ok. Drinking pee? Ok. BEARS AND WOLVES AND WHATEVER EATING LEXI????


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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:19:03 PM
And what exactly was wrong with Mark?



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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:24:38 PM
I'm watching it right now (DVR'd) it. I'm only about 15-20 minutes in. Best line so far was when Bailey referred to Lost (tv). She said something about about going on vacation to a tropical island and being attacked by a polar bear. Chief had no idea what she was talking about and she said "you gotta watch more tv"

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:50:19 PM
I am more upset that Mark didn't get to see his daughter. I loved that Bailey was bringing everyone else their babies. That's what I would want, to see my baby immediately.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:54:27 PM
I agree with the comment about Mark. All I could think was Rhabdomyolysis .

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:05:21 PM
I was totally confused about Mark in particular. Last week we saw them pull the plug so I thought they brought him in that way and he just never recovered. Tonight I see differently, but when they said he was acting like someone before dying (forgot the term) - I didn't get it. So what was wrong with him?


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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:25:06 PM
They called it a "surge" it's the calm before a storm. It really is seen a lot in patients that are dying. I personally think it's God giving them a second chance to make things right. As for what was wrong with Mark, I'm thinking Shonda wants us to think it was a broken heart.

Totally blew me away what Arizona told Alex!

Not seeing any of the Meredith that we saw in last week's episode so you know there has to be something dark ahead for her.

Bailey bringing the baby to the hospital for Meredith and Derek was sweet but what happened to her between the time she was in the hospital to see Meredith and the plane ride home and who had her the whole time the parents were missing?

Thought it was sweet of Jackson to go get Mark's baby too.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:36:32 PM
Is the whole season going to go back in time?


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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:06:01 AM
I'm not sure what I think of this season so far...I hate the back and forth thing that is happening so far with both episodes. It's hard to follow.

I agree with the comment that we did NOT need to know that about Lexi, either. I could have imagined it, but I didn't need to hear it.

I don't know...I'm not sure I'm going to keep watching this season. I haven't liked either of the first two episodes.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:06:48 AM
Last season I said I was done with the show but I stuck it out. Now I am torn again.

I did not need to know about animals eating Lexi. That was not needed in my opinion.

Not sure I am liking the whole back in time thing either. I thought I was missing something because last week Mark was dead and now alive.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:11:05 AM
I'm too attached to the characters not to watch, but man, this season is just so dark and tense so far. I get that Shonda Rhimes loves to burn it all down and rebuild. It's tough to watch...though I will keep watching, carnivorous animals and all.

I loved watching Owen with Cristina. He's just so good.

Oh, and I totally agree -- it was heartbreaking that Mark didn't get to see his daughter one last time.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 4:21:14 AM
Broke my heart that Avery did not get the baby to Mark in time.

I have personally seen the surge. No clue of what exactly he was dying of. Interesting that he kept continually coding.

The thing with Lexi shocked me to the core. I do, think it was necessary in order to show what is wrong with Cristina. She is so strong, that is why she managed to stay awake, caring for her friends. But seeing things like that, and pushing yourself so far and long and going without sleep like that would really do a number on you.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:23:35 AM
What the hell took Avery so long???? LOL

It still all seems disjointed to me. We don't know how they were found, or what exactly was wrong with Mark, etc.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:37:44 AM
Something else I thought of after I went to bed,

what happened to the pilots? Didn't see any body bags there for them

and why on earth would six surgeons be on the same plane anyway? Don't remember where they were going but I was thinking it was for a transplant, sure don't need that many surgeons!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:43:03 AM

nd why on earth would six surgeons be on the same plane anyway? Don't remember where they were going but I was thinking it was for a transplant, sure don't need that many surgeons!


It was a surgery on conjoined twins. So they needed them all for the various "specialties". Pediatrics (Arizona), Plastics (Mark), Neuro (Derek), Cardiac (Christina), General stuff (Meredith)...not sure why Lexi was there LOL! (So she could die!) Which, to me, would mean Arizona would go over Alex anyway. She was more experienced.

I read an article that said initially Lexi was supposed to die at the hospital in some stupid way like falling and hitting her head. But then she wouldn't have had the good-bye scene with Mark, etc. and we wouldn't have had her EATEN!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:00:32 AM

The thing with Lexi shocked me to the core. I do, think it was necessary in order to show what is wrong with Cristina. She is so strong, that is why she managed to stay awake, caring for her friends. But seeing things like that, and pushing yourself so far and long and going without sleep like that would really do a number on you.

ITA.

The back and forth got a little confusing for me this episode. But I still enjoyed it.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:00:45 AM
Yeah, I know all about "surge." We saw it with my dad about three weeks before he died. Thinking he was all better, and wanting the doctors to do more surgery on his tumors, when in actuality, there was nothing left to do.

I'm like Fevvers, I'm too attached to the characters to completely stop watching, but I think Shonda has done just about everything she can do to them. I think it's time to be done.






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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:09:18 AM
I didn't like how Christina went from barely conscious and not able to get out of the tub to then packing up her car and moving. It was really jumpy- maybe they are going to show more stuff as the season goes on. I don't think I'll like that.

We had no idea of how long Mark was really "sick". They showed them being flown back, then in some other hospital, then at Seattle Grace. So Mark was alive that whole time, but then when they got home he crashed? I got the feeling that it was over a couple days.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:37:36 AM
I loved everything about it.

Mark-When she was talking about being in the woods she said he kept dying and she kept bringing him back. Then Cali said at the hospital that it was like he was just giving up. I really think he did just die of a broken heart. I mean, he was badly injured, but the broken heart (lack of will) is what kept him from recovering.

Animals eating Lexi. I thought that was pretty realistic. Dark, sure, but I think the point was that the experience was so traumatic.

I still don't know why Christina was going to Minnesota. Didn't she have other offers?

Arizona saying that to Alex--I think she's just gone round the bend. Even Cali told owen she wasn't 'Arizona.' I think she was also "traumatized." This helped me with last weeks episode. When they showed her at the very end last week I didn't think her rage/defeated attitude about losing her leg fit with her character. After seeing last week, I see how she was totally traumatized, already not herself, then losing the leg just pushed her over.

I AM surprised Alex didn't go to Hopkins. Seems like of all of them he'd be the one that most needed and was able to just cut the cord and run.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:45:30 AM
I'm thinking the thing with Lexi getting eaten was to show just how far pushed over the edge Christina was. She is really tough with not much emotion and it needed to be something completely shocking to shut her down.

I still don't get that Mark died of broken heart. If he didn't have his little girl, I might believe it. I think having his dd would give him something to live for.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 7:52:24 AM
I agree that it was necessary to know what awful things happened out there, including the animals eating Lexie. I thought they'd do more filming out there to show what happened. Glad they didn't actually show the animal eating Lexie though.

I wanted to see how everyone back in Seattle found out about the crash. Maybe they'll flash back to that in another episode.

I just read something from Shonda that said that Callie and Arizona will be sexy and fun again this season. I think it's awesome how she shows the worst of life and how people can recover and get through it. Burn it down and build it back up.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:06:28 AM
Last week, they said Mark was terminal. They must have found something after he made it to a hospital, like cancer or something. Where was his daughter and granddaughter? I thought it was weird that they weren't there during the last 30 days.

Wasn't Christina going to the Mayo Clinic? The main one is in Rochester, MN.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:35:04 AM

We had no idea of how long Mark was really "sick". They showed them being flown back, then in some other hospital, then at Seattle Grace. So Mark was alive that whole time, but then when they got home he crashed?


If I remember correctly from last week, 4 months had passed between the time of the accident and when he died, and he was unconscious for the last 30 days.
They were at another hospital immediately after being found and were flown back to Seattle Grace a few days later.

I need to watch last season's finale to refresh my memory on Mark's condition. I remember Mer & Christina trying to save him but I can't recall why.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:35:16 AM
UGHHH this episode was just as bad as last week. It really didn't clear too much up. I wish they would have started in the begining & gone thru the events, I HATE these flash backs.

I think they are trying to make this like a lost / or revenge with the flash backs.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:35:53 AM
I agree that this episode, like last week's, was choppy again. Flashbacks within flashbacks, etc. Dislike!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:48:13 AM

I still don't know why Christina was going to Minnesota. Didn't she have other offers?


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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:51:43 AM

The thing with Lexi shocked me to the core. I do, think it was necessary in order to show what is wrong with Cristina. She is so strong, that is why she managed to stay awake, caring for her friends. But seeing things like that, and pushing yourself so far and long and going without sleep like that would really do a number on you.


I agree. I'm also glad that Addison got a call from Derek in this week's PP episode about Mark, because one of my first thoughts was 'well wouldn't Addison want to know?'

I really thought the whole story would be explained, but I didn't get any answers to be honest. The Mark illness was bizarre - never really got what happened to him. I thought he was just unconscious from the time they brought him back from the crash scene.

Things are just not flowing right, and I don't think the writers even know what happened to be honest and are just hopping around until they come up with something.

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Posted: 10/5/2012 10:57:41 AM
I'm so glad I just didn't "miss" what was wrong. I got the surge thing, but I had no idea he was even conscious when he got back. I just assumed he was in a coma the whole time. So since he wasn't, I thought I had missed a diagnosis somewhere of what he died from.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 11:07:54 AM
I'll be one of the lone dissenters. I like how it jumps around, it leaves you feeling disjointed, and all of these injuries, and the healing time, and emotions you go through as the patient, and the person holding the patient's hand, is also very disjointed. I think Shonda Rhimes was going for the disjointed feeling.

ETA: The Lexi comment by Christina, I think it needed to be said to get a feel for what happened, I am just grateful they did not show it, and hope they do not in the future.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:03:12 PM
Okay - loved it all. But I have one bone to pick - I know, its TV. I come from a family of orthopedic surgeons, back several generations. Correct me if I am wrong, but Callie, an ortho surgeon, is NOT a hand specialist, if I recall. Orthopedists will generally not touch hands, unless they have trained in that as a specialty. If you have a hand issue that needs surgery, you only go to a hand-trained ortho surgeon and that surgeon never does anything but hands.

Also, if I understood what was going on with the special doctor Derek and Callie met with, he was a Neuro surgeon? If there is a neuro issue with an orthopedic issue, the ortho will usually refer you to the neuro. Orthos don't do neuro surgery. My husband needed back surgery. My uncle, the ortho, said that he recommended that my husband go the neuro route and see a neuro surgeon. Orthos deal with bones, not nerves.

Now, I realize it was to make good TV but it sort of bugged me.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 12:45:34 PM
Callie doing a nerve graph bugged me too. A lot. It didn't make any sense to have an Ortho doing something a Neuro should have been doing.

While I would like an official diagnosis for Mark and why he died, I'm okay with how it played out. I'm also sort of happy that they opted not to show too much time in the forest. More screaming, more scary and traumatic stuff that we didn't necessarily need to see to get the effect. Sad about the Lexi thing, but it makes sense reality wise. I would expect that in that situation in real life, that animals really would eat dead people. I'm wondering what happened to the Pilot? Maybe they kept him at the other hospital? I thought they only transferred the Seattle Grace people to get them home.

I have to admit I have had my fill of time jumping. I'm hoping this was the last of it. I'm sort of sick of it in all the tv shows lately. It's overused.



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Posted: 10/5/2012 1:15:14 PM
I turned it off in the middle as I just wasn't that interested, but could someone spoil what Arizona said?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:17:16 PM

I turned it off in the middle as I just wasn't that interested, but could someone spoil what Arizona said?


Alex went to Arizona's room and told her he was feeling very guilty because he should have been on the plane instead of her.

She went off on him and said he should feel guilty and that it was wrong that someone like him was left unaffected while a good person like her with a wife and child was the one left suffering.
She said a lot more but that's the gist of it - she was pretty brutal.

By the end they had sort of made up though.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 2:22:08 PM
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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:17:10 PM

Okay - loved it all. But I have one bone to pick - I know, its TV. I come from a family of orthopedic surgeons, back several generations. Correct me if I am wrong, but Callie, an ortho surgeon, is NOT a hand specialist, if I recall. Orthopedists will generally not touch hands, unless they have trained in that as a specialty. If you have a hand issue that needs surgery, you only go to a hand-trained ortho surgeon and that surgeon never does anything but hands.

Also, if I understood what was going on with the special doctor Derek and Callie met with, he was a Neuro surgeon? If there is a neuro issue with an orthopedic issue, the ortho will usually refer you to the neuro. Orthos don't do neuro surgery. My husband needed back surgery. My uncle, the ortho, said that he recommended that my husband go the neuro route and see a neuro surgeon. Orthos deal with bones, not nerves.



Ortho surgeons will do hands, mine does. They did bring in a specialist but he told them he could give him something like 80% return of function, Callie wanted to do something different that "might" give him full use. Derek chose her to do it. What ticked me off was them coming in to tell her Arizona was coding in the middle of Derek's surgery and then her being allowed to stay in the surgery!


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Posted: 10/5/2012 5:37:11 PM
Remember back at the crash site, they yelled at Mark for not helping. Then they found out that he received massive chest damage from the crash and was barely able to breath. I would think that he had major internal injuries. What we don't know is if he had any surgeries to fix things during the 3 months. It might get explained, but who know?

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Posted: 10/5/2012 6:21:03 PM
All the jumpy and back and forth flashbacks make it difficult to watch and drives me crazy, but I think the director is trying to show the general feel in the character's lives. It's a crossroads. They are having to decide whether to stay at Seattle Grace, or leave. Everything is in upheaval, and nothing is clear anymore. I'm sure that we've all had periods of time like that in our own lives.


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Posted: 10/5/2012 9:32:32 PM
Am I the only one who feels sorry for Alex?


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Posted: 10/7/2012 11:36:24 AM
I loved it!

I also loved the reference to Lost seeing that there are all the flashbacks.



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Posted: 10/7/2012 4:23:41 PM
I LOVE Alex. I know most people had enough of Izzy, but I lived them together, and I loved that it brought out the good man in him. I get annoyed in these phases where he's banging anything that moves, but I'm aching to see that good man brought out again by the love of a good woman.

I am grateful for the flashback format. If we went right back to the crash site where we left off, I'm sure I would have had a stroke some time in the first 15 minutes. It was too intense. This way, by the time they were telling us what happened during the gap, we already knew who lived and who didn't. I needed that-I really couldn't take another shocker.

So sad Mark didn't get to see Sophia, that sucked. I can see why, it's not like anyone can walk into a daycare and leave with a kid, even if they know who you are you have to authorized to get that kid. Still, totally sucked.

I love Owen. Love love him. I know he effed up, but he just loves her SO MUCH, and is so devoted to her even when it's so hard, except that one mistake. She has to forgive him, she just has to.
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