Looking for a shichon--can anyone recommend a good breeder...?

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Posted 10/6/2012 by misshair in NSBR Board
 

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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:09:13 PM
I know a gal looking for a shichon and she is looking at an online website that seems questionable. This will be her first dog ever, so I want it to be a good experience.

If you own a shichon and loved your breeder and had no problems or know of a reputable breeder, please post or peamail me the info..thanks!! (she lives in Maryland is willing to drive up to 300 miles or have it shipped..). I am so over googling and trying the AKC websites and searching online. Hoping to find a highly recommended breeder!!

Thanks!!




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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:11:01 PM
Oh gosh....I don't think this will turn out the way you're hoping.


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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:19:54 PM
You are NOT going to find an AKC website for that



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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:21:10 PM

I am so over googling and trying the AKC websites and searching online.


Probably your first mistake is looking for a mixed breed dog on the AKC website.


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Posted: 10/6/2012 9:29:29 PM
The dog you are looking for is not an AKC recognized breed, so you will not find any reputable breeder. It is just a mixed breed dog. Nothing wrong with getting a mixed breed, but don't confuse it with a legitimate breed.







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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:02:02 PM
Those are the cutest freakin' dogs ever. That's all I have to add.


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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:23:02 PM
How cute are they!

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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:25:04 PM
Our vet advised us NOT to pay huge prices for a mutt. We have had pound puppies and pet quality purebreeds. He told us to pay $50 to $75 for mixed breeds. Be very careful.....

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Posted: 10/6/2012 10:55:12 PM
We found ours through Petfinder.com at a big city no-kill shelter. We didn't care that she was one of the new, trendy "breeds." I just fell in love with her when I saw her face and her big brown eyes melted my heart. Her survival story was amazing.

For the record, her "fee" was a little over one hundred dollars. (Best money that I ever spent in my life.)

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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:02:52 AM
I have a feeling the answers you are getting aren't very helpful to you because not only is your friend clueless, you aren't very educated in this area either.

Shih tzu dogs are an AKC breed. Bichons are an AKC breed. But the mix of the two is considered a mutt. It is not a recognized breed by the AKC.

People who are reputable breeders are concerned about the quality of animal they produce. They do NOT mix registered breeds. And they do not breed their "pet quality" animals. In fact they will insist their pet quality babies get sterilized at the appropriate age.

By default, that means any one with a registered shih tzu and a registered bichon they are breeding is not going to be a reputable breeder. Period. They may be nice people. But they are not reputable breeders. They are running a back yard puppy mill. If their parent animals aren't registered with the AKC then the likelyhood they are healthy genetically sound animals deteriorates even more.

I won't get into the puppy mill conversation. If your friend has her heart set on a shih tzu/bichon mix then looking for a reputable breeder is a moot point. There isn't one.


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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:04:52 AM

Shih tzu dogs are an AKC breed. Bichons are an AKC breed. But the mix of the two is considered a mutt. It is not a recognized breed by the AKC.

People who are reputable breeders are concerned about the quality of animal they produce. They do NOT mix registered breeds. And they do not breed their "pet quality" animals. In fact they will insist their pet quality babies get sterilized at the appropriate age.

By default, that means any one with a registered shih tzu and a registered bichon they are breeding is not going to be a reputable breeder. Period. They may be nice people. But they are not reputable breeders. They are running a back yard puppy mill. If their parent animals aren't registered with the AKC then the likelyhood they are healthy genetically sound animals deteriorates even more.

I won't get into the puppy mill conversation. If your friend has her heart set on a shih tzu/bichon mix then looking for a reputable breeder is a moot point. There isn't one.


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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:37:54 AM
I think the best thing your friend can do is figure out what is important to her in a dog. Size,health,temperament,exercise needs,grooming requirements, ect? Then look for a dog that meets those requirements at a local shelter or with a rescue group.

If your friend is just dead set on finding a breeder I would make sure she personally interviews the breeder. Find out what medical care and screenings the parents have had. You don't want a dog with known health issues or one who is not current on vaccines as either of the parents. Make sure the puppies have been seen and vaccinated by a vet not simply given shots and dewormed at home. See where the puppies actually live and spend some time with them as well as the parents or at least the mother. See if they seem healthy and well cared for.

I always recommend using a shelter or rescue group over a breeder but the honest truth is some areas are plagued by rescue groups with ridiculous guidelines. Some places certain types of dogs seldom if ever come up for adoption and when they do the fees are sometimes outrageous.

I know when I was looking for a dog I wanted a certain breed. It took me over a year of checking local shelters and rescues almost daily to find one. Many people do not have that sort of patience and I can understand that so you just have to be smart about using a breeder. Breeders are not evil people selling sick a defective puppies just make your life awful. Most of the time they are people who want to make a little money in an easy way and the money is about all they really care about. So as a buyer you have to understand that and plan accordingly.

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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:45:49 AM
Everything Voltagain said.

Crossing two dogs and using a part of the name of each one doesn't make it a "breed".
People who do that to make cute fluffy puppies trying to make a quick buck, will never be "reputable breeders" She also won't get a direct Bichon Frise / Shih Tzu cross, no doubt she'll get a multi-generation coss...in other words a mutt.

She should spend her time picking between either of the two breeds and then finding a reputable breeder. Doing that includes a visit to the breeder, meeting the parents of the dog, checking out the conditions they are kept in, finding out if they have any genetic issues and if so, making sure both parents have been tested for those.
Then the time and effort and money will be well spent and she'll have the best chance of getting a happy and healthy puppy.

Or go to the local shelter and find a fluffy little dog that someone else bought on impulse and then decided to get rid of. There's lots of those and they make great pets too.

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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:50:06 AM
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Posted: 10/7/2012 7:46:47 AM
And, if she is still set on a shichon, I just googled it (because i had no clue what it was) and lots of sources came up.


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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:28:51 AM
I agree about checking your local shelters. We rescued a "shi-chi" from a shelter (shih tzu/chihuahua mix) and she is such a cute and great little dog. We just told our local shelter we wanted a lap dog, and they contacted a bunch of other shelters and then let us know when another shelter had some available.

Even if they aren't pure bred, they can still make wonderful little pets! Good luck in your search.









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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:37:46 AM
The real problem is that with any mixed breed like this you don't know what characteristics of each breed you might end up with. You can't predict how the breeds are going to mix.

Labradoodles, for example, are often touted as being hypoallergenic dogs that don't shed. But that's only if they get significantly more of their poodle parent and not their Labrador parent. It's a crapshoot.

I have nothing against mixed breeds - in fact, I think they can be some of the sweetest, most loving dogs out there. But I am against breeding them on purpose.

AKC breeds and reputable breeders work to bring out the best breed traits and won't breed inferior dogs so as not to pass on qualities that are less than what the breed standard has been determined to be. And if they do have a dog that is out of breed standard or for example has bad hips or is deaf, they will make sure that dog is neutered or spayed so that it doesn't breed (which is by far preferable to the previous method of euthanizing them).

And yes, those puppies are darling. But they aren't all going to look alike. Some will be more Bichon. Some will be more Shih Tzu. Some will be a cute mixture of both and some will be a less than cute mixture of both.


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Posted: 10/7/2012 8:55:01 AM
My dd has shichon. Not sure she knows the number of the person she got him from. But he has stole our hearts. She's had him 3 1/2 years and is the most precious lil guy. SPOILED rotten but precious as can be.

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