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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:20:03 PM
Mother of slain Navy Seal that Romney is speaking about in his speeches is angry that he is using her sons death as part of his political agenda.

The attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya became a major issue on the campaign trail and the mother of a Navy Seal killed in the violence is voicing her anger that Mitt Romney is speaking about her son on the campaign trail.

I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former navy seal. I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former navy seals killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart, Romney said to a crowd on the campaign trail.

Glen Doherty was one of four Americans killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate.
Romney met Doherty at a Christmas party.

7News spoke with Doherty's mother.

"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama, said Barbara Doherty, Glen's mother.

There was no response from the Romney camp



LINK

More Information: According to a close friend of Dohertys',


Meanwhile, a friend of Dohertys' told a Seattle radio station Doherty remembered Romney repeatedly introducing himself at the Christmas party.

"He said it was pathetic and comical to have the same person come up to you within only a half hour, have this person reintroduce himself to you, having absolutely no idea whatsoever that he just did this 20 minutes ago, and did not even recognize Glen Elf Ellefsen told the Ron & Don Show.

"Honestly, it does make me sick, Ellefsen added. "Glen would definitely not approve of it. He probably wouldn't do much about it. He probably wouldn't say a whole lot about it. I think Glen would feel, more than anything, almost embarrassed for Romney. I think he would feel pity for him.
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Another Update-as of this afternoon:

Mitt Romney will stop mentioning a former Navy SEAL killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last month in his campaign speeches, according to aides, after the mans mother said the GOP presidential candidate should stop invoking her sons name.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:42:23 PM
I heard this story on the news this morning. If Rommey was asked to stop talking about her son's death then he most certainly should stop. The same would be for Obama if the shoe were on the other foot.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:52:17 PM

I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former navy seal. I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former navy seals killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart, Romney said to a crowd on the campaign trail.



So there is nothing in his comment that was a lie or hurtful, right?

I don't see how saying you have met some remarkable people and that some of them were navy seals is offensive. I don't see the offense at saying that you were sad to hear that they were killed either.

Now if he had defamed the former seal, that would be a different thing. Even if he just said that he didn't trust former navy seals.

Has his mother asked that her son not be mentioned? Was he mentioned again after that? The fact that he was killed is public record and current news. Commenting on current events is not inappropriate.





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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:55:03 PM

So there is nothing in his comment that was a lie or hurtful, right?


Irrelevant. If his mother has asked that he not mention him in his campaign speeches then that should be respected.







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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:55:42 PM
I don't understand how he's a former navy seal if he was acting as a seal during the attack? Or is he former because he's deceased?

Either way his comment is pointless. It's like me saying I met someone once who died at some historical tragedy. I don't know the person, it sounds like I'm trying to attach myself someone to this event that really didn't affect me personally.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:56:36 PM
There is a little back story here...I've tried to find a link but haven't been able to yet.

SHortly after this SEAL's death, Romney and Obama seemed to be going back and forth, and (again, wish I had links or could remember exact text) but I believe Romney made some comments trying to place blame on the Obama administration. It was at that time origially that this mother said she didn't want her son's death to be politicized during this campaign.

So now a few weeks later, Romney makes this speech and turns on the fake tears talking about her son again. I've never seen the mom on the news but I've seen the sister several times and basically the family are not blaming the military or the government and want their son's/brother's memory to be of his service to the country as it was what he was passionate about and wanted to do. There was nothing political in this guy's motivations to become a Navy Seal, he wanted to serve his country and he loved doing it.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:57:43 PM
She ought to be outraged that the request for more security was denied and that is why her son is dead.



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Posted: 10/10/2012 1:58:48 PM
I too don't think that there was anything at all wrong with what Romney said nor do I see how it "degrades" the President, however, if the mother of the deceased has asked that he not be included, Romney should honor her request.

And as of 2:40pm, the Romney campaign has confirmed that they in fact will honor that request.


[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.


Now if the Obama campaign would honor the request of Sesame Street to refrain from politicizing Big Bird...which last I heard, the Obama campaign had no intention of stopping.

ETA: I see Christine's back story and it does make more sense to me that this mother is now asking (again) for Romney to stop.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:00:05 PM

Irrelevant. If his mother has asked that he not mention him in his campaign speeches then that should be respected.


True. We agree there, but there was no mention in that article that she had asked that he not be mentioned.

I read that a few posts down, and if that is the case, he should not be mentioned out of respect for his survivors. A few more posts down, I see that this is indeed the case. He will not be mentioned out of respect for his family. Case closed. Current events can be mentioned and you can mention if you met and respected someone. You can even mention if you are sorry to hear of their death. Nothing wrong with that and the fact that they have announced they will drop all mention of her son out of respect for her, only makes me feel more positive about Romney.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:04:32 PM
I don't blame her for being upset considering the circumstances under which her son died. I would be pissed at and wouldn't trust anyone even remotely involved in our government if my loved one was killed in a similar fashion.

I was disgusted with the televised ceremony performed when they brought their remains home. Had it been my husband/child in one of those coffins, I would have told the state department to pound sand. They left those men unprotected and then want to use their death for political gain. No simply no.

To me these men died as heroes and deserved much better when alive than what they got.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:25:15 PM
I certainly agree with Dock!

and from when I started reading this post I had no doubts that MR would stop telling that story as soon as he knew the family wanted him to.

and I agree about Big Bird - and BOs people had no idea they'd need permission to USE BB's likeness in an ad? I don't credit them with such stupidity. They just knew that they'd get a lot of air play before receiving notice to stop.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:29:50 PM
I don't blame her one bit. Her son's death should not be used as political fodder. I also don't think the deaths of these people should have been used as political fodder either.

Tiffany Owens - mother of Marcelas Owens who witnessed Obama signing the ACA

Joe Soptic's wife who died of stage 4 cancer - blame Mitt

Trayvon Martin blame conservatives

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:35:10 PM

Irrelevant. If his mother has asked that he not mention him in his campaign speeches then that should be respected.


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I'm not sure why Obama is being brought into this discussion...I guess any chance certain Peas get to slam the President, they take it, whether it's warranted or not.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:45:51 PM
If Mrs. Doherty would prefer that her son not be mentioned "to degrade Obama" then she can contact the Romney campaign and make the request.

Speaking to a media outlet is calling more attention to it than it would have had in the fast moving news cycle. Tomorrow, we will be talking about the vice- presidential debate.

But I agree with some of the other sentiment expressed here. There seems to be mounting evidence that the Obama administration did not do it's job in making sure her son and others in Libya were safe. Misplaced outrage.



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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:54:41 PM
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.


so where is the blame to be put?? no new taxes for anything...and the consequences pile up.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 2:59:54 PM

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.


so where is the blame to be put?? no new taxes for anything...and the consequences pile up.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:34:25 PM

So there is nothing in his comment that was a lie or hurtful, right?


If Romney introduced himself to this man multiple times because he had no idea who the guy was, then he wasn't so remarkable, now was he? Hence, it's a lie.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:39:54 PM
And here I was hoping that your "more info added" would include the following




[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.



I'm exactly 0.0000000% shocked that the only interest you have in this story is to malign Mitt Romney.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:49:05 PM

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.


so where is the blame to be put?? no new taxes for anything...and the consequences pile up.


Yes indeedy! Sometimes actions do have unexpected consequences. It's too bad House Republicans didn't think that one through.





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Posted: 10/10/2012 3:57:36 PM

And here I was hoping that your "more info added" would include the following

[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.

I'm exactly 0.0000000% shocked that the only interest you have in this story is to malign Mitt Romney.


ITA, especially since the last line in the OP's original post said there was no comment from the Romney camp. They made a comment but she decided not to post that since it didn't slam Romney.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:03:22 PM

And here I was hoping that your "more info added" would include the following



[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.
that information had already been posted on here. You posted it, so you know that. There was no doubt that he would stop using it. To not do so would have been foolish. Although Romney did, once again, try to use a tragedy for political gain. The new information shows that he, at one time, shook Glenn's hand...and he didn't even remember him enough to keep from trying to introduce himself a second time...20 minutes later. No wonder Dohertys family and friends are upset.

Oh, and if anyone did not see the update about Romney's Campaign no longer using this, they will see it if they follow the link that you posted. Oh wait, you didn't post a link.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:03:49 PM

[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:03:50 PM

[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:03:50 PM

[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:03:57 PM

[UPDATED: 2:40 p.m. ET] Mitt Romney's campaign told ABC News it would stop citing the meeting with Glen Doherty.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:07:39 PM

ITA, especially since the last line in the OP's original post said there was no comment from the Romney camp. They made a comment but she decided not to post that since it didn't slam Romney.
Feel free to post a link and quote the comment. It is an open thread.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:14:15 PM

Feel free to post a link and quote the comment. It is an open thread.

Your original post, meaning before you added additional information. but if you would like me to quote it I can.

Mother of slain Navy Seal that Romney is speaking about in his speeches is angry that he is using her sons death as part of his political agenda.

The attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya became a major issue on the campaign trail and the mother of a Navy Seal killed in the violence is voicing her anger that Mitt Romney is speaking about her son on the campaign trail.

I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former navy seal. I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former navy seals killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart, Romney said to a crowd on the campaign trail.

Glen Doherty was one of four Americans killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate.
Romney met Doherty at a Christmas party.

7News spoke with Doherty's mother.

"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama, said Barbara Doherty, Glen's mother.

There was no response from the Romney camp



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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:15:10 PM

If Romney introduced himself to this man multiple times because he had no idea who the guy was, then he wasn't so remarkable, now was he? Hence, it's a lie.


Ummm, you did notice that section was added later, after I left my comment, right?




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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:17:48 PM

Yes indeedy! Sometimes actions do have unexpected consequences. It's too bad House Republicans didn't think that one through.


And yet the state department found the necessary discretionary funds after the terrorist attack on 9/11/12 to produce and air a PSA to condemn the anti muslim film.



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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:25:22 PM

Feel free to post a link and quote the comment. It is an open thread.

Your original post, meaning before you added additional information. but if you would like me to quote it I can.
Mother of slain Navy Seal that Romney is speaking about in his speeches is angry that he is using her sons death as part of his political agenda.

The attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya became a major issue on the campaign trail and the mother of a Navy Seal killed in the violence is voicing her anger that Mitt Romney is speaking about her son on the campaign trail.

I met some remarkable people, one of whom was a former navy seal. I just learned a few days ago that he was one of the two former navy seals killed in Benghazi. It broke my heart, Romney said to a crowd on the campaign trail.

Glen Doherty was one of four Americans killed in the September 11 attack on the U.S. consulate.
Romney met Doherty at a Christmas party.

7News spoke with Doherty's mother.

"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama, said Barbara Doherty, Glen's mother.

There was no response from the Romney camp


ITA, especially since the last line in the OP's original post said there was no comment from the Romney camp. They made a comment but she decided not to post that since it didn't slam Romney.





how sweet of you to quote the OP. However, since the OP is already on here, perhaps I meant for you to post the comment from the Romney Camp, because, neither of the links that I had posted had anything yet about Romney making a comment. Sorry you are having trouble understanding.





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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:38:12 PM

how sweet of you to quote the OP. However, since the OP is already on here, perhaps I meant for you to post the comment from the Romney Camp, because, neither of the links that I had posted had anything yet about Romney making a comment. Sorry you are having trouble understanding.

Somebody already has quoted the Romney response several times. The whole point of my initial comment, in case you are having trouble understanding, is that you changed the title to include "more info added." A couple of us were just saying we hoped you would have actually added that the Romney camp won't use his name anymore instead of something else derogatory about Romney. But I suppose that is asking too much.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:42:06 PM

Somebody already has quoted the Romney response several times. The whole point of my initial comment, in case you are having trouble understanding, is that you changed the title to include "more info added." A couple of us were just saying we hoped you would have actually added that the Romney camp won't use his name anymore instead of something else derogatory about Romney. But I suppose that is asking too much.
Still waiting for a link on the Romney Campaign comment. Do you have one? You know, Pea rules and all. Nothing counts without a link to back it up.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:45:43 PM
Waiting for the link? Google fingers broken?

I didn't post it but it took a nano second to find the update

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/10/us-usa-campaign-romney-seal-idUSBRE8991JW20121010



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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:49:12 PM
Since your computer must block positive Romney updates, here ya go


Mitt Romney will stop mentioning a former Navy SEAL killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last month in his campaign speeches, according to aides, after the man's mother said the GOP presidential candidate should stop invoking her son's name.


Of course there's also this nice comment too


Glen Doherty's sister, Kate Quigley, had a different take on Romney's words. "It was nice what he said," she told she told WCVB. “Being an American hero is bipartisan."


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ETA: I'm trying to fix all those doodly marks!


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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:12:19 PM

Since your computer must block positive Romney updates, here ya go

Mitt Romney will stop mentioning a former Navy SEAL killed in the attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Libya last month in his campaign speeches, according to aides, after the man's mother said the GOP presidential candidate should stop invoking her son's name.


Of course there's also this nice comment too

Glen Doherty's sister, Kate Quigley, had a different take on Romney's words. "It was nice what he said," she told she told WCVB. Being an American hero is bipartisan."


link

ETA: I'm trying to fix all those doodly marks!

Thanks for the link. I will add it to the OP. Seems that the memory Romney has of the meeting is way different that the memory that the friend of Glen Doherty, that was at the same party, had. Sounds to me like Romney had a research team gather some information for him.

Having fun trying to remove those doodly marks. Not a fun project at all. I hate that part of posting quotes from other sites. Sometimes I think that they recreate on their own as you are removing them. Kind of like pulling a grey hair out and two more growing in it place.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:19:55 PM

Seems that the memory Romney has of the meeting is way different that the memory that the friend of Glen Doherty had. Sounds to me like Romney had a research team gather some information for him.


Or the friend could be lying or misremember. Sheesh, how about no speculation either way to be fair? Have you heard the whole story of how they met that night? It's a really funny, self-deprecating story.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:20:54 PM

Having fun trying to remove those doodly marks. Not a fun project at all. I hate that part of posting quotes from other sites. Sometimes I think that they recreate on their own as you are removing them. Kind of like pulling a grey hair out and two more growing in it place.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:21:04 PM
Thanks for adding lovetodigi. sorry if I've been a bit testy in my posts, I'm blaming it on perimenopause and whiny, bickering kids.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:30:01 PM
I thought it was nice that Romney mentioned this soldier and I think it is nice that he is following the mother's wishes that he stop. The sister seemed to have appreciated that Romney focused on someone other than the poor ambassador. Move along now--problem has been taken care of.
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Posted: 10/10/2012 5:33:10 PM

Thanks for adding lovetodigi. sorry if I've been a bit testy in my posts, I'm blaming it on perimenopause and whiny, bickering kids.
You're welcome and no problem. We all have those times.




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Posted: 10/10/2012 9:46:55 PM
I'm glad he stopped referring to the slain warrior.

What I find much more troubling is the interview with Sean Smith's mother.

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Not to say Romney wasn't responsible for his references, but Obama clearly and repeatedly lied to another mother. To me, his actions are deplorable.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 10:43:51 PM

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) acknowledged on Wednesday that House Republicans had consciously voted to reduce the funds allocated to the State Department for embassy security since winning the majority in 2010.




Oh sweet.

So first Chaffetz votes to deny the State dept. more funds for security. Then Chaffetz calls for hearings to put the officials involved on the carpet for not having adequate security?

I'm following these hearings with great interest. I'm glad it is being investigated and hope all relevant information is brought out fully. Although it must be very, very tough for the families to hear.



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Posted: 10/10/2012 10:48:17 PM
Yes, it's tough to hear about the inadequate resources, denied requests for help, and the lies the President and his staff and proxies spun in the wake of four American deaths in a deadly, pre-planned terrorist attack.



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Posted: 10/10/2012 11:00:54 PM
Romney has agreed to stop talking about it. The end.

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Posted: 10/10/2012 11:04:16 PM

Yes, it's tough to hear about the inadequate resources, denied requests for help




i completely agree.

I would hate to think something like the level of security available to Americans in Benghazi was determined by a congress with a stated goal of opposing the administration at every vote.

That indeed, would be very disheartening and jarring for the family members to hear.

Are you watching the hearings? I have been watching them today. There is obviously a lot of classified information which cannot be aired in the public domain. So I'm not sure how this is going to be managed in the public domain.


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Posted: 10/10/2012 11:17:40 PM
Yes, I was watching today.

It's horrible. The whole thing is horrible.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 2:46:40 AM

Are you watching the hearings? I have been watching them today.

I was too. Good, hard questioning. We need the answers.



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Posted: 10/11/2012 6:42:59 AM
"So first Chaffetz votes to deny the State dept. more funds for security. Then Chaffetz calls for hearings to put the officials involved on the carpet for not having adequate security? "
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Havent followed the hearings yet,... But My first thought is...since when has the Obama administration actually let a lack of funds stop them from doing anything? Since when have they followed a budget? So why did they choose this as their first attempt at being fiscally responsible?
And budget or no, cuts or not, when threats are real and danger imminent like it seems it was, you do what you need to do to protect lives. Lack of money is just a red herring, way to shift focus from the weeks of lies coming out of the white house, onto the big bad republican boogeyman.





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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:06:30 AM

Lack of money is just a red herring,


A big blood-red herring.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 7:52:12 AM
If they didn't have enough money for security they should have gotten our people out of there. Instead they left them knowing that they were vulnerable? Bastards!


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