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Posted: 11/15/2012 11:44:48 AM
Several post mortems from the Republicans have said that they expected to win. This surprises me because so many polls had a consistent advantage for Obama. Four years ago it was pretty much accepted that Obama would win and while I was a bit worried, I trusted the polls and felt that Obama would win again.

So Republican Peas, were you surprised that Romney didn't win? Paul Ryan says they thought they would win. In a way I think the Republicans were taken advantage of by the super PACS, Karl Rove, et al, who kept telling them they would win if they only gave them more millions to spend. Wonder how much those guys skimmed off in management fees. Politics has become a business -- maybe the Republican party has been Bain-ed?

BTW, has anyone seen the list of the most accurate polls. Gallup and Rasmussen are way down on it. Like 20 out of the top 25.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:04:00 PM
Taking the bait.

Yes, I did. I thought the polls had the turnout model incorrect. I thought it would be more 2010 than 2008. I wasn't alone. So yes, completely surprised. Plus, I couldn't believe that people would vote for this guy again. Could. Not. Believe.

Make of it what you will.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:16:44 PM
Thanks for posting, Athena.

Do you usually watch conservative media and read their blogs? Or do you also read the New York Times, WashPost, and watch mainstream media? Do you think the right wing media pushed you to believe Romney would win? We were seeing lines out the doors during early voting in Ohio so I was heartened by that.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:19:37 PM
No I wasn't surprised. I didn't think the ticket was strong enough to keep the centerist republicans from voting elsewhere.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:20:19 PM
I'm not a Republican, but I was quote sure he wouldn't win based on him simply being anyone but Obama. You don't win on that platform. Ask John Kerry. It doesn't inspire undecided people to vote for your candidate.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:25:50 PM
Initially no. Then after the first debate, I thought there was a good chance. However, once it was clear that Hurricane Sandy was going to take place, I was sure that event would be either the make it or break it for President Obama. It was his chance to step up and be seen as Presidential in the days leading directly up to an election - Romney of course did not have that same visibility (and admittedly risk/responsibility).

I do wonder if the people in the area impacted feel like there has been the same level of Federal attention paid to them after the election as there was in the days prior to it. (I'm not saying there is or isn't because to be completely honest, I've been out of touch with almost all television, radio, and social media for the past few weeks due to a lightening strike at our house the week before we moved, a week of moving, and then trying to get things set up and connected here. This is the first day that I've had both television and computer in weeks beyond what I could stream on my limited data plan on my phone)


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:30:22 PM
BF, I was listening to local radio the other day. Caller after caller talked about the quick, efficient response they have received from FEMA. Almost every caller began with, "I'm no fan of the government, but..." So I would say yes, people still feel responded to.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:35:06 PM
I voted for Obama and all along I was confident he would win, but in the last few days I really started to worry that Romney would pull it out.

Probably because of the economy, and I was thinking the Republicans would have a better turnout and the Democrats, especially the young ones, would slack and not turn out.

So, it was a nailbiter in our house for sure.

Later, I read more about Nate Silver and stuff and realized I should have trusted the polls; they are pretty scientific.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:37:45 PM
I wasn't positive he would win, but I really thought he had an excellent shot.

I never once thought it was a slam dunk for Obama, and it wasn't.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:37:47 PM
I didn't vote for Romney, but I honestly thought he had a fair chance to win. As did everyone I know including some very leftist liberals. First debate solidified this opinion, third debate made us less sure. But either way I could not tell one way or the other until the election results were actually in.


I do wonder if the people in the area impacted feel like there has been the same level of Federal attention paid to them after the election as there was in the days prior to it.


Well Obama is in Staten Island today to survey the devastation, FEMA is everywhere as is the National Guard. So we don't feel left out after the election at all.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:38:14 PM
BF, I have to disagree with you a little bit. The area Sandy hit is mostly liberal anyway, so Obama was more than likely already getting that vote. Besides voting in NJ was at an all time low this year because people were unable to get out and vote.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:44:14 PM
I don't think Sandy had anything to do with it and think it's an easy excuse to use for why Obama won. I think Katrina showed our President and FEMA what to do for next time and that's why help was given so fast and organized better. Katrina was the practice run for Sandy in government response. They've had 7 years to get better procedures in order ro respond to natural disasters. They looked at how Bush was critiqued and had a game plan in order should Obama ever end up in the same situation. It wasn't done for the elections, it's just more knowledge on how to be better prepared to deal with such a magniture of a situation.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:53:09 PM

Yes, I did. I thought the polls had the turnout model incorrect. I thought it would be more 2010 than 2008. I wasn't alone. So yes, completely surprised. Plus, I couldn't believe that people would vote for this guy again. Could. Not. Believe.

Make of it what you will.


I totally agree with this!


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Posted: 11/15/2012 12:57:26 PM
No, the Republicans have no desire to embrace all Americans and it shows. People live their lives according to their emotions, not just the facts, and they vote this way. Many Democrats are just as conservative as many Republicans are or even more so, however, they rather be poor in a political party who openly courts and need them than be rich in a party who dispises and excludes them. I knew when they got rid of Michael Steele as RNC chairman after his success in 2010 it was Game Over!.







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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:06:14 PM
No, I really didn't think that Romney would win. I held out hope...especially after the first debate but never really believed that he could win against Obama.

I listen to both sides of the media and would hear conflicting poll numbers and statitics every day. And even though I do think that the media is biased, I always thought their poll numbers made more sense.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:16:30 PM
I surprised you're surprised

What separated the popular vote ... 3%? Obviously we are a country divided right down the middle so it truly could've gone either way.

I think if certain things at the end had played out differently (Benghazi, Sandy response, etc)., we Conservatives could be the ones acting like sore winners right now



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:24:44 PM
I thought Romney had a good shot following the first debate and the closer to the election, I felt even more so.

MachineObama proved otherwise.

on topic somewhat.....I found this blog post online about the election results that was well written and thought out. It's written from a republican christian perspective.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:25:04 PM

Yes, I did. I thought the polls had the turnout model incorrect. I thought it would be more 2010 than 2008. I wasn't alone. So yes, completely surprised. Plus, I couldn't believe that people would vote for this guy again. Could. Not. Believe.

Make of it what you will.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:29:42 PM
Before the debates I thought he didn't have a chance at all of winning. After the debates and the days leading to the election I really did think he had a decent chance at winning, better than he ever had before, but I still kinda thought Obama would win.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:30:09 PM
As soon as I heard Mitt was running, I thought it was not the time..I wanted to see him as President, but timing is everything.... I never thought Obama would lose... but I held out hope

and I just read the controversial Romney article in our local paper about how/why he thinks Obama won... and I think he it the nail right on the head.. and all the political pundits on Sunday morning news programs agree. Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it.. and as much as I like President Obama as a person.. I think Mitt more capable of improving our economy with job growth and common sense approach to the deficit..

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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:40:24 PM

and I just read the controversial Romney article in our local paper about how/why he thinks Obama won


Do you mean the "gifts" conversation he had with his fund raisers?

What do you call the promised tax cut, EPA cuts, ACA cuts -- aren't those gifts to his constituency? What do you think of the "banned" government study that says that tax cuts to the rich do not benefit the economy to the extent that other programs benefit it? Or do you just not believe in reality.

"gifts" to the Democratic constituencies are just the same as "gifts" to the Republican constituencies. Except we know that money given to poor people will be spent and turn over in the economy many, many times. Gifts to the wealthy are more likely to be pocketed and not spent on tangible goods.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:42:34 PM

I didn't vote for Romney, but I honestly thought he had a fair chance to win. As did everyone I know including some very leftist liberals. First debate solidified this opinion, third debate made us less sure. But either way I could not tell one way or the other until the election results were actually in.



I could have written this exactly.


and I just read the controversial Romney article in our local paper about how/why he thinks Obama won... and I think he it the nail right on the head.. and all the political pundits on Sunday morning news programs agree. Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society .. we can't afford it.. and as much as I like President Obama as a person.. I think Mitt more capable of improving our economy with job growth and common sense approach to the deficit..


You are an a$$hole! Being "Hispanic and minorities" = an entitlement society! Pull your head out of your a$$ and you might find that not all "Hispanic and minorities" want something especially an old white guy and his sheep telling me I'm trash!

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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:46:01 PM
I'm practically quoting the Sunday morning new pundits..you know.. from Meet the Press .. etc..

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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:49:02 PM
I didn't have a strong opinion as to who would win, but I guessed it would be Obama as he seems to represent the vocal segment of the population. However, in no way was it anything close to a landslide. I find it interesting that people keep calling it a definitive victory when clearly it is not (3% of popular vote does not definitive make). If the voter fraud had been addressed, I'm not so sure he would have won at all. However, I do think that the emphasis on Romney's religious affiliation was hurting him for a lot of evangelical Christians. I don't think the Republicans were able to get a winning candidate this time around.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:50:59 PM

Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it..


And that statement right there is EXACTLY why Republicans find themselves in the predicament they are in.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 1:56:58 PM
I voted for Romney but never felt he had a chance.

I told my daughter months ago I would be shocked if he won.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:02:06 PM
I thought there was a strong enough backlash against Obama for Romney to have a chance. He did very well in the debates.

I think the storm settled everything in the end. I remember from my childhood an election where a candidate was in the lead a big storm hit and the president was reelected.

Perhaps they should change when elections are. A lot of big storms are in November oct.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:03:46 PM

I just read the controversial Romney article in our local paper about how/why he thinks Obama won


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:05:23 PM

And that statement right there is EXACTLY why Republicans find themselves in the predicament they are in


Totally! And are they strategizing now ways to "fake it" with "the Hispanics and minorities"?

That's why the secret video of the rich-people fund-raiser (with the 47% quote, etc.) raised so many hackles. Behind closed doors, there just doesn't seem to be a lot of genuine compassion. I know that's a generalization, but to me it does seem like a lot of the Republican base and leadership is really out-of-touch with the lower, struggling [ETA: socioeconomic, not racial] classes.

Plus, I know quite a few conservative minorities.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:06:45 PM

I'm practically quoting the Sunday morning new pundits..you know.. from Meet the Press .. etc..


Nancie52 you may want to stop while you're behind

Not a Republican, but I never thought Romney would win. I had quite a few laughs reading posts by Athena, Back to peality, Jenny, etc. The guy was a train wreck right from the beginning.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:09:05 PM

Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it..





And that statement right there is EXACTLY why Republicans find themselves in the predicament they are in.


Amen!







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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:09:44 PM

you may want to stop while you're behind


not from where I sit... and I always "consider the source."...


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:11:19 PM

not from where I sit... and I always "consider the source."...



Nancie you asked me why I voted for Obama in another thread. May I ask why you voted for Romney?


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:12:42 PM
Yes, I expected Romney to win. All the polls I saw had them neck and neck or either of them ahead 1-2 points. I honestly did not think America would reelect such an ineffective leader. His favorabity level has been consists fly low and he has been a bad president.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:15:32 PM
For what it is worth I don't watch fox news, but mainly get info from a wide variety of on line news sources. If I watch tv news, usually CNN or abc news. Still shocked that Obama won, just can't wrap my head around it.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:16:57 PM

Do you usually watch conservative media and read their blogs?

Yes.

Or do you also read the New York Times, WashPost, and watch mainstream media?

No "or". It's an "and".

Wide variety of sources is my motto: Right, Left, and Center.


Do you think the right wing media pushed you to believe Romney would win?

Pushed me? No. Most things I read on the Right were very skeptical of a Romney win until after that first debate.

I didn't believe the Left Wing Media pushing Obama's win would be successful. I was wrong.



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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:19:43 PM

BF, I have to disagree with you a little bit. The area Sandy hit is mostly liberal anyway, so Obama was more than likely already getting that vote


I won't speak for NJ, but Staten Island and Long Island are notoriously conservative areas that continuously vote Republican. But considering that NY as a whole is a blue state it didn't matter. NY has not been a swing state for a longggg time, if at all.




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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:23:09 PM
I was hoping he'd win, yes. I know that polls aren't always accurate, so they mean almost nothing to me.

I was hoping people would lay aside the social issues and pay attention to the economy to determine their vote. Somehow those same Democrats who just a few years ago were chanting, "it's the economy, stupid!" as their war cry didn't want the voting people to think about the huge deficit, taxes, unemployment, etc during this election. Interesting, huh?


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:27:51 PM

I couldn't believe that people would vote for this guy again. Could. Not. Believe.
That's how I felt after Bush was re-elected.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:28:56 PM

I won't speak for NJ, but Staten Island and Long Island are notoriously conservative areas that continuously vote Republican. But considering that NY as a whole is a blue state it didn't matter. NY has not been a swing state for a longggg time, if at all.


Yes, I agree. I'm originally from LI. I was referring to the states as a whole.

Regardless, at least in NJ, both the Republicans and the Democrats have handled Sandy very well.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:29:33 PM
Yes, you may.

I voted for someone whose philosophy about getting people back to work and fixing the economy I happen to agree with, I think his experience proved his ability. I support a "smaller government"... I am a registered Independent and have voted both parties in the past (and I was considering Pres Obama the 1st time around) .. and altho, I typically lean towards the right... I do support gun control, and a women's right to choose.. but they are not the most important issue to me right now. I live in a VERY DIVERSE city, which wasn't always the case, but we made the decision to stay, raise a family here, and work in the public schools. and from where I see things,, yes.. I am supporting a very lazy society... "entitlement" seems to be the battle cry.....that's the way we see it here.. and I hope to God.. that I'm wrong.. and I think only time will tell.. and my kids and grand kids don't have to pay for our mistakes..

that's all for now.. thank you!



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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:32:15 PM
The important thing with Obama stepping up during the storm is Obama being seen by all voters Blue and red to have stepped up.

It was a loose loose situationist for the Romney camp. If Romney had continued campaigning he would have been seen as a jerk and voted against.

When Romney did the honorable thing stepped back he lost media coverage to the president who was being presidential doing the correct things and saying the correct things.

It is not the only reason why the Romney camp did not win, but it is a a factor.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:34:30 PM

Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it..




And that statement right there is EXACTLY why Republicans find themselves in the predicament they are in.


I'm sorry but those types of comments ARE exactly why the Republican party has to change it's views on the minority population, or they will never win another presidential election again.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:44:39 PM

It was a loose loose situationist for the Romney camp.


Lose/lose situation?


My prediction was that Romney would win the popular vote, but Obama would win the electoral college.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:50:09 PM

and I just read the controversial Romney article in our local paper about how/why he thinks Obama won... and I think he it the nail right on the head.. and all the political pundits on Sunday morning news programs agree. Republicans have to find a way to embrace the Hispanic and minorities... but you see,, it's against our philosophy to just have an entitlement society.. we can't afford it.. and as much as I like President Obama as a person.. I think Mitt more capable of improving our economy with job growth and common sense approach to the deficit..


You keep throwing around the word "entitlements". Would you be a little bit more specific by what you mean when you say "entitlements"?

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Posted: 11/15/2012 2:52:56 PM
I want to preface this by saying I'm a registered Republican...

I think the GOP has no one to blame for this loss but themselves. They need to get out of the 1960s and move forward into the 21st century. Women and minorities aren't going to stand behind someone who won't stand behind them.
Drop the Roe v. Wade issue - it will never be overturned so there's no use in continue debating it.
Stop fighting same-sex marriage. In twenty years, the thought of banning same-sex marriage will be as antiquated as not allowing women or blacks to vote.

While there are many, many other issues - those are the predominate reasons I've heard people say when asked why they didn't vote for Romney. Those are the issues young, liberal Americans care about and (in my opinion) they were going to vote for Obama no matter how bad the economy or no matter how many trillions he added to our national debt. Having other Republicans make their moronic statements about legitimate rape only added more fuel to the anti-Romney fire.

Going in, I had no guess who would win. After the first debate, I thought Romney would take it - but that lasted for about a week and then I went right back to being unsure.

The Republican party needs some fresh blood with new ideas. I don't know who'll be the candidate in 2016 - but I don't want it to be him. :/


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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:01:12 PM
As to the OP, I was not a Romney supporter, however during the last week prior to the election even liberal news shows were giving convincing speeches to the fact that Romney was in fact winning the election.

Like Morning Joe, did during that whole week. It was all Romney's ahead, is such and such poll, so I can understand how Romney voter's were shocked to learn that Romney was in fact not in the lead. Truthfully even when I heard polls that said President Obama was ahead, I had heard some many saying Romney was ahead that I didn't know which one to believe.

If conservative news sources would have been my only sources of news, I KNOW I would have thought Romney was winning, because despite some polls to the contrary the news was definitely leaning towards Romney on all those stations. For example they would show huge Romney crowds, and then talk about how only a few showed up to see President Obama, which we clearly know now was not exactly the truth.


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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:11:34 PM

Lose/lose situation?


My prediction was that Romney would win the popular vote, but Obama would win the electoral college.


Sandy was loose-loose for Romney.

For example here, a mayor was going to be elected out had a lot of reasons to leave all justified. Then an earthquake hit he was re-elected. The popular vote which had been against him swung back to him because he showed leadership in a time of crisis and could give continuity during a time of crisis.

Same behavioral patterns different scale.

For Romney to have won the election after Sandy he would have had to be leading by a much bigger margin after the debates.

This is why I said it was a factor not the deciding factor. It would be interesting to know how many undecided voters were won over by Obama's handing of sandy.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:39:29 PM
I am a registered Democrat, but I thought Romney had a pretty good chance to win. I was not thrilled with Obama as my candidate. I was one of those undecided voters right up until the end because I didn't like either candidate. My degree is in poli sci and way back when, I actually worked on a campaign or two. Here's my take on this election:

I thought Benghazi would be the end for Obama. It was the topic that incited a lot of anger at the second debate. But then the third debate came around and Romney totally dropped the ball on the issue. I fully believe that there had to be a reason why he didn't hammer it, but I may be way off base.

Romney was hurt by people like Aken and Murdoch (and I know I am probably spelling their names wrong). Their comments were assinine and they pissed women off. Then, being told that being pissed off meant you were just a stupid sheep, just pissed them off more. I have one liberal friend who occasionally posts nasty things on FB, but not much. I never get weird emails from my liberal friends. On a daily basis, I get ridiculous emails from conservatives and have people posting on FB that liberals are all lazy, stupid, etc. Oh, and my favorite, anyone who votes for a democrat deserves to die. You can't win by alienating people.

Women and young people voted in greater numbers this election and they were the ignored voters by the Republican party. I think they were too busy going after the Evangelical vote and those voters stayed home. They were never going to vote for Obama but in the end, I don't think Romney was conservative enough for them. I was totally shocked that Obama won all of the swing states, but I believe that the moderates held their noses and voted for him over Romney.

I also agree with Sam. I think it is ridiculous that Romney staffers are blaming Chris Christie for speaking positively about Obama. NY and NJ were always going to vote Democrat. Eastern PA was going to vote that way too.

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Posted: 11/15/2012 3:59:44 PM
I agree with Tamhugh that Romney's moderation cost him a lot of votes.

Rhonda mentioned that Republicans need to update their positions but if they do it according to her suggestion, they won't be republicans anymore and they'd lose a ton of votes. Those issues are huge to a considerable population. Stop being conservative morally and all you have left is something closer to libertarian. I am surprised that the Libertarians haven't grown in popularity.

I'm also saddened to see how often a conservative perspective on social issues gets misrepresented. I'm so tired of being called a hater simply because I'm a WASP and a Republican. Hate doesn't characterize my life in any way shape or form. Republicans do want to see all citizens be successful. We simply differ in the way in which we believe that can happen. And I have to ask, as social programs increase, are those taking advantage of them increasing in their acquisition of wealth or not?

We've seen an awful lot of giving to people because we see they are in need but are we giving them handouts or a hand up so that they no longer need to depend on a social program? Republicans favor helping disadvantaged people find a way to become self-sustaining and I fail to see how that is equivalent to hating.


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