Is it cruel to get your cat shaved/groomed in the winter?
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Posted: 11/17/2012 7:52:10 PM
she is an indoor cat and her hair is driving my crazy! I got her shaved in the summer but I feel bad doing it in the winter. Now mind you, I live in CA and our winters are not that crazy.....



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Posted: 11/17/2012 7:53:06 PM
I think it's cruel to shave a cat at any time.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:21:13 PM
Were you not aware of the fact that cats had fur before you got one?


I hate it when people get a pet that they are then not prepared to look after. Don't want to brush it or clean up it's fur? - then don't get a longhaired cat or a cat that sheds. It's not rocket science.
Cats are not meant to be bald and especially not in winter, so don't make it pay for your lack of common sense.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:30:18 PM
Yes. I wouldn't do it.

But... if you have a long haired cat (aka Persian, etc) and you can't brush it on a regular basis, then it's probably better than trying to cut out the mats after the fact.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:39:43 PM
Please don't do it. Most cats prefer warmth. Mine is rolled up into a ball under the blankets in here at 70 degrees.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:49:20 PM
I couldn't/wouldn't do it. I had a long haired Birman who died last year-how I wish he was moulting on my cushions/carpet now


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Posted: 11/17/2012 8:57:49 PM

I hate it when people get a pet that they are then not prepared to look after. Don't want to brush it or clean up it's fur? - then don't get a longhaired cat or a cat that sheds. It's not rocket science.
Cats are not meant to be bald and especially not in winter, so don't make it pay for your lack of common sense.


So are you saying you've never had your hair cut pjaye? People had long hair long ago before there was scissors.


I don't think it's a big deal personally. I had a long haired cat and he LOVED it when he was sheared. He just acted like he felt more comfortable.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:00:46 PM
I assume you have a long haired cat. My groomers that I know will not shave a cat unless it is very matted and they can't remove the mats any other way. Just have the cat groomed (not shaved).



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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:24:48 PM
First of all its FUR and not hair.

Second that is one of the stupidest thing I have ever heard that someone shaves a cat's fur because its driving them crazy. Unbelievable!

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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:28:54 PM
I wouldn't do it.


First of all its FUR and not hair.


What's the difference? I've googled it and several sites say there is no difference.

ETA: I'm not trying to sound snarky. I'm truly wondering.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:31:18 PM
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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:35:21 PM

So are you saying you've never had your hair cut pjaye? People had long hair long ago before there was scissors.

I'll assume this post is serious, even though I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to think these two things are even vaguely the same.

First some basic biology: human hair keeps growing, cat fur does not. Cats have a genetically predetermined length of fur, if you never cut your cat's fur at the end of 10 years it will not be 10 meters long. There is NO reason to shave or cut the fur on a cat unless it has not been properly cared for by it's owner.
As I said above, everyone knows cats shed fur to some degree, and cats with long fur will shed more. If this "drives you crazy" then you should have been smart enough to get a different type of cat.
I also have free choice, I can cut my hair or not, last time I checked with my cat...she wasn't able to tell me what hairstyle she preferred, so it's probably safe to assume she is most comfortable in what nature gave her.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:38:57 PM
I don't think I've ever heard of someone shaving their cat.. Is she matted or just shedding lots? I think if it's just shedding I would brush her daily & hope it improves soon.




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Posted: 11/17/2012 9:52:14 PM
I think as long as you provide her with a warm place to sleep it is fine. IME many long hair cats are more comfortable being shaved especially as they get older and and find grooming more difficult.


Were you not aware of the fact that cats had fur before you got one?


I hate it when people get a pet that they are then not prepared to look after. Don't want to brush it or clean up it's fur? - then don't get a longhaired cat or a cat that sheds. It's not rocket science.


There is fur then there is FUR!!!!! Yes it is better not to get a long hair cat unless you are prepared for the upkeep. However you sometimes get more than you expect.

I for example ended up with a long hair cat without planning to have one. I found her under a neighbors home a tiny frail skeleton. I could hold her in my hand and she had more fleas than hair. My MIL didn't even think she was a cat because she was almost hairless from malnutrition. I brought her home just to give her a chance and so she wouldn't have to die alone. Low and behold she lived and turned into a seriously fluffy cat. I groomed her regularly but her coat took lots of work and as she got older both for my comfort and hers shaving her a few times a year became more practical.

There is also the issue of coat texture with long hair cats. Some cats have a coat that become a tangled mess that is almost impossible to maintain for the average cat owner. There are also cats who would rather chew the flesh off your hand than be brushed.

Personally I don't see how shaving a cat is different than the cuts many people do for their dogs.


My groomers that I know will not shave a cat unless it is very matted and they can't remove the mats any other way. Just have the cat groomed (not shaved).


That is most likely because shaving cats down is not a good bet for many groomers it is a time/profit thing. Cat skin is very thin and they get cuts and razor burn very easily. You have to be pretty skilled and patient to shave a cat properly and elderly cats even more so because their skin becomes like wet tissue paper. There is no rushing or doing a quick job when doing a full shave down on a cat properly. Cats for the most part don't put up with any sort of nonsense and will basically rip the living hell out of you if you don't do things just right. You also have to be extremely careful if you muzzle a cat. Dogs on the other hand for the most part can be controlled with voice and a muzzle does a good job with all but the worst dogs.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:09:47 PM
I don't have a cat but I do have 2 dogs that I recently had shaved because they needed it; it was getting matted and was very dirty. They are far more comfortable but definately cold, so I got my girl a little fleece coat to wear. The boy seems to be fine.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:15:50 PM

I'll assume this post is serious, even though I can't believe anyone is dumb enough to think these two things are even vaguely the same.

First some basic biology: human hair keeps growing, cat fur does not. Cats have a genetically predetermined length of fur, if you never cut your cat's fur at the end of 10 years it will not be 10 meters long. There is NO reason to shave or cut the fur on a cat unless it has not been properly cared for by it's owner.


LOL!

Ok for starters, I was joking around hence the " "

But secondly, that argument is kind of full of holes considering the cat's hair grows back. Kinda like humans do.

Do you all crawl up the ass of people that cut their stupid dogs' hair? How about those people that have their dogs' ears clipped or tails cut off? That seems to be "ok" in peadom?

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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:24:24 PM

Were you not aware of the fact that cats had fur before you got one?


I hate it when people get a pet that they are then not prepared to look after. Don't want to brush it or clean up it's fur? - then don't get a longhaired cat or a cat that sheds. It's not rocket science.
Cats are not meant to be bald and especially not in winter, so don't make it pay for your lack of common sense.


First of all...back the fuck off. I used the wrong word, she doesn't get shaved, she get groomed, crazy cat lady! Geez! The damn cat lives in MY house and if she is doing something that I can get corrected, then I will do it. Maybe your ok with your house being full of hair but I am not....flame away....



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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:28:20 PM
I had my Shih-Tzu groomed all year round. In the winter he'd wear an assortment of sweaters if he got cold though. We tried not to have him cut too short or he'd shiver.









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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:43:09 PM
Oh... and the more I think...
Didn't cats eat mice, lizards, fish, etc before humans domesticated them? Shouldn't we go back to that too?
And we should stop spaying and neutering them since that's something humans came up with too.
OH! And they lived outside before us humans changed their worlds. I declare all cats now shall live outdoors!



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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:50:18 PM
If you have a cat that will allow shaving/grooming, and your not in a cold climate and she is an indoor cat I don't see the big deal.

If it were butt cold where you live, and she was an outdoor/indoor cat and hurt her self and who ever grooms her when it is done that would be a whole nother story.


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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:51:57 PM

First of all...back the fuck off. I used the wrong word, she doesn't get shaved, she get groomed, crazy cat lady! Geez! The damn cat lives in MY house and if she is doing something that I can get corrected, then I will do it. Maybe your ok with your house being full of hair but I am not....flame away....



Then don't have a cat. Its as simple as that.

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Posted: 11/17/2012 10:53:50 PM
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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:07:38 PM

First of all...back the fuck off. I used the wrong word, she doesn't get shaved, she get groomed, crazy cat lady! Geez! The damn cat lives in MY house and if she is doing something that I can get corrected, then I will do it. Maybe your ok with your house being full of hair but I am not....flame away....
Someone needs a serious chill pill. You put it out there on 2Peas, you are going to get opinions you don't like. If you can't handle it, then don't put it out there.

Right now I have four cats (and that is a story for another day). My girl, Dakota, sheds copious amounts of fur all year long. Solution? Groom her, constantly. I have Furminators upstairs and down and she truly loves the experience. Heck, in the summer she even lets me vacuum her!

If you are going to have a pet, any pet, I say you need to learn how to properly take care of that pet, and put the effort into doing it correctly.

Back to grooming the cats I go....


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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:14:04 PM

Then don't have a cat. Its as simple as that.


umm, too late Einstein...I've had her for 8 years now. I also don't like my husbands mustache hairs around the sink....should I get rid of him???!!



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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:17:41 PM

Someone needs a serious chill pill. You put it out there on 2Peas, you are going to get opinions you don't like. If you can't handle it, then don't put it out there.

Right now I have four cats (and that is a story for another day). My girl, Dakota, sheds copious amounts of fur all year long. Solution? Groom her, constantly. I have Furminators upstairs and down and she truly loves the experience. Heck, in the summer she even lets me vacuum her!

If you are going to have a pet, any pet, I say you need to learn how to properly take care of that pet, and put the effort into doing it correctly.

Back to grooming the cats I go....


You see the thing is, I asked a question and I got an ASSumption that I didn't know cats had fur, it's not rocket science and I lack common sense....so really, who needs to chill?



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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:31:05 PM

If you are going to have a pet, any pet, I say you need to learn how to properly take care of that pet, and put the effort into doing it correctly.

Back to grooming the cats I go....


How is having a cat shaved not "correct". I mean it is not the way some people choose to care for their cat but unless the shaving is done in an unsafe manner I don't see the problem. Would you say a person is not properly caring for a Shih Tzu if they choose a teddy bear cut over a full coat? That is just silly.



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Posted: 11/17/2012 11:40:41 PM
Cat's fur is genetically designed to both cool them off in summer, and warm them in winter. By shaving them, you interfere with the natural balance. I don't think any cat should be shaved unless it's medically necessary. Certainly not for its human's comfort.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:41:30 AM
I used to shave my cat two or three times a year. My house is never below 68 degrees and she never seemed uncomfortable. And fyi, I didn't choose a long haired cat, I saved a homeless cat. We're talking about shaving, not declawing, so let's not go overboard.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 4:36:38 AM

But secondly, that argument is kind of full of holes considering the cat's hair grows back. Kinda like humans do.
OMG! (and you are calling others stupid?) it grows back to ONLY the same length and then STOPS. A human's hair keeps growing & growing...I guess that "before scissors / back to the cave-man" argument you seem to favour goes some way to explain your own look.

Do you all crawl up the ass of people that cut their stupid dogs' hair? How about those people that have their dogs' ears clipped or tails cut off? That seems to be "ok" in peadom?
Are you new here?
"Their stupid dog's hair"? That pretty much tells me all I need to know... you aren't an animal lover, but I'll continue anyway.
Yes I do, get a dog/cat that suits your lifestyle, don't get one with long fur if you are too damn lazy to wash and brush it.
Dock ears and tails?...barbaric and has NEVER even been vaguely OK. just like declawing, if you are going to mutilate animals then you shouldn't ever be allowed to own one.
Pets are optional, no-one makes you get one, therefore people should only have one if they are prepared to do the tasks that owning one entails, and that includes cleaning up after them.
I don't know why some people around here think that pets should be maintenance free, the simple truth is they aren't, get a pet rock if you want one that is.

First of all...back the fuck off. I used the wrong word, she doesn't get shaved, she get groomed, crazy cat lady! Geez! The damn cat lives in MY house and if she is doing something that I can get corrected, then I will do it

Yes, that makes it clear who the crazy person is...
I guess there *is* a need to state the obvious, you started a thread, you asked for opinions & you asked if it was cruel. Very immature to start with the "fuck you" because you didn't get the answers you wanted. Grow up.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 5:05:06 AM

Cat's fur is genetically designed to both cool them off in summer, and warm them in winter. By shaving them, you interfere with the natural balance. I don't think any cat should be shaved unless it's medically necessary. Certainly not for its human's comfort.


I agree with this. Can you just brush her more often? I know that it's a pain, but it really helps.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:10:09 AM

Cat's fur is genetically designed to both cool them off in summer, and warm them in winter. By shaving them, you interfere with the natural balance


Dogs hair acts in the exact same way yet it is common and okay to groom them in ways that greatly reduces their hair coat. It is not like the OP is considering taking a pair of rusty kitchen shears to her cat.


I don't know why some people around here think that pets should be maintenance free,


How is taking an animal to be professionally groomed a few times a year equal to maintenance free. The OP got a little twisted up about it but seriously, because a person chooses professional grooming they are now not caring for their animal?

The question the OP asked is if it is "cruel" to have a cat shaved/groomed in the winter. Maybe working with animals for many years and seeing actual cruelty far too often has changed my mindset but I simply can't tell a person grooming an animal in a fashion that suits them is cruel. (this is assuming the grooming is done correctly not in some barbaric fashion)



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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:21:35 AM
To shave or not to shave... that is the question. Whether 'tis nobler of the mind to suffer the unsightliness of a house occupied by a shedding cat, or to jeopardize the arms of the hapless groomer..






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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:21:36 AM
I had a Persian cat who detested being brushed since birth. I tried every day when he was a kitten and he hated. every. minute. of. it. I tried a furminator, combs, brushes, curry combs, you name it. I finally gave up.

So the end result was regular grooming at the groomer which included a hair cut, not unlike many small dogs get on a regular basis. He was unable to keep himself clean when the hair got too long and that was the deciding factor. It was not healthy for him to have dirty fur and/or mats because he couldn't groom himself and he would not allow me to brush him.

He was an indoor cat and had an enclosed fleece kitty hut to sleep in and the house was kept at an even temperature. I would say that since you live in CA and the cat is an indoor cat, its fine.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:29:53 AM
It would be cruel if everyone laughed at her afterwards.



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Posted: 11/18/2012 7:33:08 AM


I would say that since you live in CA and the cat is an indoor cat, its fine.



I'm not seeing how living in CA comes into it. Do you know how cold some people keep their houses in warm climates? Damn, *I* need a fur coat sometimes.



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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:07:20 AM
I live in so cal fairly close to the beach and my cats would freeze to death if I shaved them in winter. But we dint use our heater or fireplace and it's practically freezing in our house. Literally.

If your cats are indoors and you use the heat then I don't see a problem with it


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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:14:05 AM
Those who would shave their cats for their own convenience, would you also get your kid with long, prone-to-tangle hair shaved so that you wouldn't find their long hairs all over the house? Or have to brush their hair daily?


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Those who would shave their cats for their own convenience, would you also get your kid with long, prone-to-tangle hair shaved so that you wouldn't find their long hairs all over the house? Or have to brush their hair daily?



They might not shave them, but yeah, plenty of people give their girls short/'boy' cuts so they don't have to deal with the problem. Some girls do react like cats when getting their hair brushed.



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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:30:03 AM
I have 2 cats. You said you didn't mean "shaved", thankfully. I don't like all the cat hair either so I bush them about once a week. I have a Furminator brush and the cats line up for it. It keeps the hair under control in the house and the cats are happy.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:44:28 AM

I think my cats would be humiliated if I had them shaved. . Cats generally like to groom themselves.


Cats (and dogs) do get embarrassed when all their hair is removed (like if we were running aroud naked).

Having said that...I do get my Shitzu shaved a couple of times/year. Even with regular groomings and cuts, it just gets unmanageable after a while. But he hates it. And I feel terrible afterwards (luckily, it grows back fast).

I had a long-haired, BLACK cat for 18 years. But I never got her groomed at all. She took care of herself very well, and loved to be brushed. Still had a lot of black cat hair everywhere.



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Then don't have a cat. Its as simple as that.


Great answer! So then even MORE cats can be put down or live out their lives in cages in shelters.

I swear, some animal lovers cut off their nose to spite their face. I would think a good home, even shaved, is better than death or living in a cage. There already aren't enough homes for all the cats that need them, and now you all want to knock even more people out of the running for being pet owners. Lord.


I live in so cal fairly close to the beach and my cats would freeze to death if I shaved them in winter. But we dint use our heater or fireplace and it's practically freezing in our house. Literally.


This is a whole different issue. Frankly, shaved or not, I think it's cruel to the animals AND your family to have the house near freezing. I also think you are full of BS because who would keep their house under 50 degrees all winter? And for it to be "literally" near freezing it would need to be that cold.

OP - if you keep your house set at a reasonable heat (70+ degrees), and you're comfortable shaving her in the summer, I don't see a reason why you wouldn't also do it in the winter. I have one friend who has her cat shaved and the cat LOVES it. Seems much more active and happy.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 8:51:21 AM

Those who would shave their cats for their own convenience, would you also get your kid with long, prone-to-tangle hair shaved so that you wouldn't find their long hairs all over the house? Or have to brush their hair daily?


Uh, yeah. DD 2 is terrible with keeping up with her hair and the knots became huge dramatic fights, so she has to keep it chin-length or shorter for now. When she gets older and can reconsider if she will take care of it herself, we will discuss growing it out again.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 9:02:42 AM
We had to shave our cat once. It was a rescue kitten, and we weren't prepared for the type of fur he was growing before it was too late. It got really matted, and we had to take him to the vet and get him shaved. Most likely there was a mix of Persian in him, and that type of fur needs a lot of grooming.

Poor, poor kitty. You could really tell he was embarrassed and uncomfortable. We had to be really careful at keeping him warm. I would never have done that just because cat hair annoyed me.

Here's a photo of the
poor bastard

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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:55:26 AM

That is most likely because shaving cats down is not a good bet for many groomers it is a time/profit thing. Cat skin is very thin and they get cuts and razor burn very easily. You have to be pretty skilled and patient to shave a cat properly and elderly cats even more so because their skin becomes like wet tissue paper.


Your assumption would be incorrect. Each groomer gave the same explanation. It is more time consuming to remove the mats than to shave the cat. Each groomer told me that "they" felt shaving a cat was the easy way out. The only time these groomers I'm referring to have shaved cats is when the cat was neglected by the owner and were completely covered in mats.


First of all...back the fuck off. I used the wrong word, she doesn't get shaved, she gets groomed, crazy cat lady! Geez!


So you didn't get the cat shaved? Then what's the problem? What do you feel bad about? When I have long hair cats they get groomer year round. The only fur/hair removal done is trimming between the toes and around the anus.



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Posted: 11/18/2012 10:58:07 AM

Those who would shave their cats for their own convenience, would you also get your kid with long, prone-to-tangle hair shaved so that you wouldn't find their long hairs all over the house? Or have to brush their hair daily?



People do this all the time. Examples below

*I* was given hair cuts my whole life, I wanted long pretty hair but my Mom didn't want to have to mess with it so I got haircuts.

My DSD Dad ( my DH ) loved long hair and my DSD being 1/2 Asian had a lot of long thick hair that he would not allow her to cut until age 16 the same year she could get her ears pierced and date. How ever at 6 years of age he made her learn to wash, detangle and brush and braid it so he didn't have to mess with it.

My DSD has a DD now who at 2 and 1/2 has waist length hair that her Mom will not cut but rushes through brushing it hurting DGD in the process

My DD had long pretty hair until she was 7 and decided she wanted to try a hair cut, while it was long I brushed her hair every night and braided it for her.

Yea, people do children's hair differently and some might think cruelly but seriously no one is going to have a child or animal taken away for bad parenting over hair/fur no matter how crappy we might think those parenting choices are.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:41:18 AM
When I was little, we had a toy poodle--she went to the groomer and got shaved/groomed. I liked her to have the puppy cut instead of the traditional cuts for poodles because I liked a more shaggy cut, and my mom let me have my way on this. A poodle's hair will grow and grow--no shedding--so they do need to be clipped.

My Sheltie does NOT get shaved or clipped. NOT. Her long hair has a downy undercoat, that keeps her warm in the winter and cool(er) in the summer. It would NOT be good for her to be shaved. Someone I know took their Sheltie to the groomer's for a wash and trim and the groomer SHAVED the dog. The hair never grew back like it was before.

No, I wouldn't, and haven't had Lucy's hair shaved/cut for any reason.


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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:49:49 AM
WTH???????????????...you SHAVE?? your CAT??? a CAT???
I think that's just cruel ANY time!!
WTH?!






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Posted: 11/18/2012 11:53:19 AM

WTH???????????????...you SHAVE?? your CAT??? a CAT???


At least with what I have seen, it isn't "SHAVING" a cat as much as it is using clippers with a low guard on it. The picture that someone else posted of their cat that was shaved was WAY closer shaved than what people I have known have done. The ones I know shave/clip them down so they still have a layer of fur, it's just very short. They are not completely shaved down to their skin.

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Posted: 11/18/2012 12:03:04 PM

WTH???????????????...you SHAVE?? your CAT??? a CAT???
I think that's just cruel ANY time!!
WTH?!




Persians are quite often given lion cuts. They are often unable to really clean themselves because of all the fur. They get really bad hairballs and even with a strict brushing routine and pumpkin and hair ball remedies they still barf quite a bit of hair. Its not so unheard of, and far from cruel.



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Posted: 11/18/2012 2:17:46 PM


You see the thing is, I asked a question and I got an ASSumption that I didn't know cats had fur, it's not rocket science and I lack common sense....so really, who needs to chill? I kinda knew this would happen! This is when 2Peas goes wrong. You ask a question and don't expect Peas to be mean or hateful, and then, BAM, it gets out of control. People could give their opinion (even if it differs with yours ENTIRELY) respectfully.



















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