If you voted for Obama, was it more for fiscal or social reasons?

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:17:37 PM
I am fiscally conservative and voted for Romney. Just making that clear.

I am also a Christian, but tend to go moderate on social issues. I personally am not in favor of abortion, but I wouldn't vote to try to end it either (I believe it is a personal choice). I voted for gay marriage in WA, as I don't think it is my place to determine who marries and who doesn't (I think a lifelong commitment is a good thing for people). I do differ in my opinions from most of my family, who run more conservative (but are not hateful, exclusionary, etc).

My question for people that voted for Obama for social reasons (gay marriage, abortion, etc): would you have considered voting for a Republican had they been moderate socially?


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:21:05 PM
I consider each candidate and pick the one who is the best fit for me and beliefs. This go round it happened to be Obama.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:27:53 PM
I am a Mormon who voted for Obama. I agree with much of what you said about your views. To me, the social issues outweighed the fiscal ones. At one point I thought that I would vote for Romney. I liked his policies from when he was Governor, and I really believe that he saved the Olympics in Utah. But he was so quick to dismiss 1/2 of the country and ran to appease the ultra-conservatives on the social issues, I just could not vote for him. I wanted to like him, I really did.

So yes, if the Republicans would put up a socially moderate candidate, I would vote for them. Unfortunately, I think that the Republican power players will never let that happen.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:28:47 PM
Why does the answer have to be either or?

Personally I felt that President Obama was the best man for the job for both fiscal and social reasons.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:33:43 PM
I voted for Obama for both social and fiscal reasons. I didn't do it because I think he, or the Democratic party, are perfect, but they do come closest to my thinking in both issues.

I may or may not vote for a Republican if the party was seriously, not just making noises during a campaign, more socially moderate, but not just because of that. It would depend on what the social change was, who the candidate was, fiscal programs, and the party platform in general. They have so far to go to get my vote again that I just don't see it happening.







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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:35:00 PM
Both - but mostly social, like 90% more.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:41:50 PM

Why does the answer have to be either or?

Personally I felt that President Obama was the best man for the job for both fiscal and social reasons.


This is me too.

I did not like Romney's fiscal approach; his plans seemed to be mostly what we had seen before that did not do what he said it would. And I do believe that our economy is affected by what's going on in the rest of the world. The recession was more severe than others in recent history, and that takes time to come back from. Things are getting better, slowly. It doesn't show in every part of the country/economy, or for every person looking for a job, but it is happening.

On social issues, Obama is much closer to my viewpoint than Romney.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:46:57 PM
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:47:36 PM
I think you have to define fiscal conservative.

I voted for Obama for social AND fiscal reasons.

If by fiscal conservative you mean trickle down economics, then no, I'd never vote for a Republican candidate. It doesn't work.







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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:50:15 PM
Both but more fiscal. I fundamentally disagree with conservative fiscal policy and think that the 11 year experiment we've had in trickle down tax policy proves that's it a failed theory.



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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:50:56 PM
both...I disagree with the republicans world view and their stand on social issues and their ongoing clueless on science.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:51:58 PM
Both.

And though I normally tend to agree with Democratic candidates, I will (and do) vote for whichever candidate I think is the right fit for my beliefs and qualified to do the job. I voted for a handful of Republicans/Green/Libertarians this past election.

I don't vote straight party and think its lazy to do so. So if the Republicans put up a viable candidate I would definitely consider him (or her).
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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:55:07 PM
I am very conservative fiscally! But there are a few social issues that I agree with Obama on, so those few outweighed the fiscal ones this year. If Romney was a bit more moderate, he would have gotten my vote along with many others, who think like me.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:55:29 PM
Yes.
However, even if the social issues were off the table, I disagree vehemently with the fiscal policies of Romney, as he articulated them, and with the stated fiscal policies of the current GOP leadership.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:55:50 PM
I am another voter, who voted for Obama because I agree with both his fiscal and social viewpoints.

In fact, one of Romney's top economic advisers, Glenn Hubbard wrote an op-ed just days after the election stating, taxes on the wealthy need to be increased.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:55:50 PM
Like many of the other's have said, I voted for President Obama for both fiscal and social reasons. I don't think it's necessarily an either or decision.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:56:06 PM
Both but more for social reasons

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Posted: 11/21/2012 1:56:27 PM

would you have considered voting for a Republican had they been moderate socially?


I can't say that I would have voted for the man; however, I would have taken a closer look had he been more moderate on issues such as abortion, gay rights, and the military/war.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:08:57 PM
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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:30:49 PM
I vote for the president for a couple of reasons: One, he has to be a leader and people (generally I mean other countries) must be able to respect him. Two, he chooses who goes on the Supreme Court.

That's pretty much it. I pick my senators and congressman for fiscal responsibility. Even social, for that matter.

I am fiscally conservative and extremely liberal socially. I would consider voting for a Republican if he or she supported gay marriage, birth control (as in supplying it to anyone who wants it), abortion and the like. I would be very hard pressed to support a candidate otherwise.

For the record, I have voted Republican.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 2:51:01 PM
Both but more because of social.
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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:02:36 PM
I'm a Republican who voted for Obama both times. I really wanted to vote Republican but the candidates presented have been men I couldn't feel comfortable voting for.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:06:55 PM
Both for fiscal and social reasons and simply because he was the better candidate. I'll also honestly say that I'll never vote for a conservative in a National election and it's doubtful I'd vote for one in a local, state election either.






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Posted: 11/21/2012 3:38:13 PM
Thanks for the answers. It doesn't have to be either/or. I was curious if there was a trend (for lack of better word) of people that vote for more social reasons over fiscal reasons.

I personally think that the GOP needs to have more socially moderate candidates to reach a bigger audience that is fiscally conservative, but doesn't like the social stance of the past candidates. I know there are a lot like me, that are fiscally conservative and more moderate on their social criteria (I have firm beliefs for me personally, but I don't believe you can legislate all moral positions).

When trying to decide what should be legislated or not, I ask myself if I would want sharia law to determine what I could or could not do, and what freedoms we would have. Therefore, even if I don't agree with abortion, that doesn't mean that everyone else feels the same. It is a personal decision and responsibility. I understand my opinion differs from a lot of conservative Christians and that's fine. I just think there are even more like me that would vote for fiscal if the social wasn't such an issue.

I can't really ask on FB because most of my friends are more conservative socially than me, so I know who they vote for and why. I needed a bigger mix of Obama voters.

So thanks again for your replies.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 4:12:12 PM
I voted for Obama for both fiscal and social reasons. Both are very important to me and I think he is the right one for our country.


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Posted: 11/21/2012 5:49:52 PM

I fundamentally disagree with conservative fiscal policy and think that the 11 year experiment we've had in trickle down tax policy proves that's it a failed theory.


Totally agree with this!

Also, social issues are a big deal for me too.

When I first was able to vote in the 90's I did look at each side and have voted for Republicans in the past. But right now, I'm sitting next to Kristina and saying I'll never vote GOP at the National level, and very likely not in the Local or State races anytime in the near future.

I fundamentally do not agree with their beliefs on what will make this country better. And I simply can't get over the idea that they want smaller, less intrusive government ... but oh yeah, we want to regulate who can and can't marry, and what a woman can do with her body. How is that smaller and less intrusive??!?!



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Posted: 11/21/2012 6:29:35 PM

Both - but mostly social, like 90% more.




Total ditto.



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Posted: 11/21/2012 6:51:24 PM
I voted for Obama because I fundamentally agree with both his social AND fiscal policies.

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Posted: 11/21/2012 7:18:15 PM
Both - I fundamentally disagree with conservative fiscal policy and think that the 11 year experiment we've had in trickle down tax policy proves that's it a failed theory.

That, and I couldn't get past their 1950's social issues, especially for women. There used to be a lot of Republican's I respected, and could have voted for, but the main party has went so far to the right, that I just can't see me voting for them now.


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Posted: 11/22/2012 3:08:54 AM
I thought the candidates were equally shitty on fiscal issues.

It was a vote entirely for his social policy, plus for a platform that respects the scientific community.



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Posted: 11/22/2012 4:34:40 AM
I voted Romney because I felt he had a better fiscal plan for my interest. I own a construction company and believed that a republican would be more apt to stimulate developers into building and banks I to offering more construction loans.

That being said it was a very difficult decision to make because I am very socially liberal. I also feel that the president has very minimal control over what decisions he can actually make for the country. Because of a divided house and congress, thr president has become more of a figure head. But I was also very concerned about the powers the president still holds such as Supreme Court nominees. I did feel that in this next term there may be a possibility of replacing up to 3 Justices. Another big concern was that the president could take us to was ( ala W style).

I am a firm believer that the republican party needs to return to its political roots and abandon the religious zealots. Politics and religion should not mix in this country. Of you feel so strong about your religious beliefs that you must impose them on others, than move to a country with a religious leader as the head of state.






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I am a firm believer that the republican party needs to return to its political roots and abandon the religious zealots. Politics and religion should not mix in this country. Of you feel so strong about your religious beliefs that you must impose them on others, than move to a country with a religious leader as the head of state.


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Posted: 11/22/2012 6:45:32 AM

I know there are a lot like me, that are fiscally conservative and more moderate on their social criteria


That is a huge fallacy. David Axelrod has wet dreams nightly about the Republican Party splitting in two, ensuring Senate and Presidential wins for Democrats for decades. The extreme right wing in the swing states the liberals are so scared of mostly voted against Romney or stayed home due to his pro choice and Romneycare past.

I'll tell you why it is a fallacy: most Obama voters think this is a normal economy that needs a few more years, and then a few more years after that, and then a decade or two tops after that. Really. Super serious this time.

As the Baby Boomers die off, more and more young voters will adopt the same view and will never experience a booming, pro growth economy. Instead of demanding pro growth policies, they'll demand more and more government spending as they age -- because that will be all they know.

Fiscal conservatism is pretty much DOA in this country -- no one cares about it anymore except it sounds good as a sound byte. Do you honestly think the average Obama voter gives a crap or even understands how they are personally affected each time the US credit rating is downgraded?

It is game over for the GOP for a long, long time -- maybe when it gets so bad that even Democrats are calling for fiscal restraint of their own party members is when a center-right candidate will win a national election.

We're also really, really outnumbered in the ten or so counties that decide who is President for the forseeable future. The only hope for the GOP is if we can successfully keep and retain our dominance at the state level.

Some liberal peas hate when I write posts like this. I have no idea why.

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Kidding - in all seriousness, I agree with both fiscal and social, but mostly social...


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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:32:54 AM

Some liberal peas hate when I write posts like this. I have no idea why.


I don't hate when you write posts like this current one. I just chuckle and think they should be on "politicalfiction.com."

Sure I think fiscal responsibility is important but it is how its done that makes a difference. I think the ideas that the Republicans are offering to fix the economy and cut the debt are outdated. They may have worked a couple of decades ago but not in todays economy.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:37:35 AM

Says the pea who told everyone with babies to stock up on diapers at the end of 2008 because of the imminent collapse of the US dollar. I'll take my prognosticating, economic or otherwise, from someone who less resembles Chicken Little.






Some liberal peas hate when I write posts like this. I have no idea why.

I don't define myself as liberal, but I don't "hate" your posts. I actually find them quite entertaining.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 9:49:27 AM
I voted for Obama because I think he cares for people and will do all he can to help all classes of people .I trust him .I'm not saying I know he can do it because all have to work together to do what is right .I don't care if it is Republican or Democratic .I also think he is good on foreign affairs and I also believe it takes more than 4 years to get done what you want to .There is I am sure when you take office that takes awhile to learn the best way also .


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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:37:01 AM
I'm with those who ask why is it either/or.

I see the issues as going hand in hand. To be socially responsible, one must also be fiscally responsible. The social issues for me were ones that related to equality.

Equal pay for women
Equal treatment of benefits for all individuals regardless of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation
Equal treatment in education and health regardless of income level

Fiscally, I believe that tax rates for individuals and businesses should be fair and equitable, and I didn't see the Republican party or in this case, didn't see the Republican candidate as being in that same frame of mind.

So, yes, both fiscal and social issues were my reasoning. Overall, I felt that Obama's record and platform was that which most closely resembled my own views.


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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:42:14 AM
I mainly voted against Romney.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 11:56:00 AM
I preferred Obama on both fiscal and social issues.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 1:47:12 PM
I voted for our President.

There were many reasons...he is the leader that embodies my values for our society.

I really think the GOP missed the boat on so many levels. It's encouraging to see that some of the GOP have seen this as a reality.

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Posted: 11/23/2012 7:02:33 PM

Do you honestly think the average Obama voter gives a crap or even understands how they are personally affected each time the US credit rating is downgraded?

Wow, condescending much?

I voted for Obama because he actually knows what it is like to not have things handed to you and have to work to get where you want to be.

I voted for Obama because I believe that religion and religious doctrine has no place in deciding what citizens should be able to do in their own home.

I voted for Obama because my best friend is gay and he can't get married and have it recognized in all 50 states.

I voted for Obama because I think the idea that you should eliminate abortion, not help pay for birth control, and then cut funding for children born into poverty, is utterly stupid and out of touch.

So I voted socially with a small touch of economics. I don't like some of the democratic spending, but I believe that until the social issues are resolved, the economic ones are impossible.


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Posted: 11/23/2012 8:57:14 PM
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Posted: 11/24/2012 1:33:26 PM
I voted for Obama because the Republican Party is so off base compared to my beliefs. I could not vote for Romney due to his flip-flopping and disinterest in helping the 47%.

I also am not religious, believe in gay marriage, I am pro-choice, for equal pay for women (duh!) and cannot identify with most republican candidates. I do not believe in tax breaks for the rich, as there has been proof that tax breaks for the rich do not filter into the economy.

I did not vote for the Democratic senator for my state due to the fact that he votes against his party on the major social issues. Might as well vote for the republican candidate in that situation. At least ill know how they are gonna vote then.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 2:15:09 PM

Fiscal conservatism is pretty much DOA in this country -- no one cares about it anymore except it sounds good as a sound byte. Do you honestly think the average Obama voter gives a crap or even understands how they are personally affected each time the US credit rating is downgraded?


Talk about a huge fallacy. You can write what you want, but that doesn't make it true.



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Posted: 11/24/2012 2:17:59 PM
I voted for Obama because I was thinking about the Supreme Court nominations. That said I consider myself to be Moderate with some liberal views and some conservative ones. It literally is an issue-by-issue thing with me.

That being said, I do see myself being able to vote conservative in a national election and if Chris Christie runs in 2016, I could see myself voting for him.

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Posted: 11/24/2012 3:15:33 PM
Social issues/international relationships outweigh fiscal issues for me! I am not looking to be lazy fiscally, however people are much more important to me.


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