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 benem Yo, that's fifty dollars for a T-shirt. PeaNut 526,154 October 2011 Posts: 5,563 Layouts: 0 Loc: Illinois
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Interesting story.
I think Blaer is a lovely name.
Then again, I tend to dislike kr8tv names for children. Intensely. |
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I guess you can tell I'm American by the fact that I'm astonished this is the very first time, according to the linked article, anyone has challenged the Name Committee in court.
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We were living in Switzerland when our oldest DD was born. We named her Carson. The Swiss authorities refused to issue her a birth certificate, because it was not on the list of approved female names. We had to add an additional middle name to her registration to finally get it through.
We were shocked at the time, but she now has a funny story for life.
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I think I'm glad the US allows parents to choose the name they want although the recent naming of baby hashtag has me a bit disconcerted. In 30 years tweeting will have gone the way of the crank dial phones and few will remember what a hashtag was.
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I wish we had a name registry. Some of the god awful, horrendous names that people slap on their kids here should be illegal. |
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I don't like the idea of government-controlled baby naming AT ALL. But there should be a reasonable way to prevent parents from giving their kids really awful names, like that family who named their children after prominent Nazi figures -- Adolf, et al.
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While I'm surprised by this, I think it's a good thing some countries are bold enough to take a stand on this. I roll my eyes at girls being named last names and all the silly spelling out there. It's not cute. |
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 miominmio BucketHead PeaNut 497,330 January 2011 Posts: 719 Layouts: 0 Loc: Where the polar bears live
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Icelanders are extremely protective about their culture, so it makes sense, I guess. | |
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Hmm... so it never changes? So how long has this list been in affect? I wonder if they ever add or delete names.
Imagine if we only had names like Hildegard and Gertrude and Brunhilda to pick from. Something considered beautiful in 1820 is probably not going to seem so pretty in 2013, KWIM?
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 miominmio BucketHead PeaNut 497,330 January 2011 Posts: 719 Layouts: 0 Loc: Where the polar bears live
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To my knowledge, they only use the old Norse names. | |
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I roll my eyes at girls being named last names and all the silly spelling out there. It's not cute.
But things do change. My name is Ashley and it is commonly accepted as a girl's name today, but when my mom named me, there were almost no other female Ashleys around. (Then a female baby in a soap opera was named Ashley a little while after I was born, so now there are tonnes of Ashleys a few years younger than me). My point is -- what is strange one year, becomes common and accepted later.
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 Annabella Leads a Charmed Life PeaNut 43,843 July 2002 Posts: 42,259 Layouts: 46 Loc: East Coast
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Ashley has been a popular girl name every since I was a child. Maybe it's different in Canada. |
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But there should be a reasonable way to prevent parents from giving their kids really awful names
But who is to say what is beautiful and what is awful? Don't your kids have very creative and unusual names by most standards? I'm not saying they are awful by any means, but just because you consider them to be beautiful doesn't mean that others necessarily would.
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I wouldn't like that at all! I think people should be able to name their child as they wish. I do think a lot of names out there are awful, but not my kid, so not my business.
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Carla, I specified names like the ones used by the family who named all of their kids after Nazi figures, because I do think that some names just shouldn't be used. I wasn't talking about subjective beauty or creativity. I do remember the Nazi-naming family being discussed here at 2Peas a couple of times, and it was wholly agreed upon that the family shouldn't have been "allowed" to name their kids that way.
I am extremely liberal when it comes to naming, but if a name is going to be used to glorify hatred or bigotry or racism, I don't think it should be allowed to be used.
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I think it's a slippery slope when one declares a name "awful" enough not to be used.
I think we can universally agree that naming your kid after a consumer brand, or mutilating a perfectly normal name with Krea'Ytiff spelling is awful.
I'd even go as far as forbidding people from naming kids after inanimate objects not found in nature. So Meadow is fine, Table - not fine |
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 Burning Feather I conceived but I can't see you PeaNut 158,336 July 2004 Posts: 36,206 Layouts: 3 Loc: Ain't no black widow serial killer going to get between me and my man
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I'd even go as far as forbidding people from naming kids after inanimate objects NOT found in nature. So Meadow is fine, Table - not fine
So what about Belle? Your inanimate object (although spelled slighty different) equals my family name.
See? Slippery slope.
I get it. I don't like Kre8tv names either. In fact, I can't even stand when peOplE tYpe LikE tHis, but I really dislike government interference in those types of personal matters even more.
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Belle is French for beautiful, pretty, not ding-dong bell.
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Hi,hi
Since I am Icelandic and the girl in the story is in my family (like almost every one in Iceland since we are only 320.000 ) I would like to correct that the name commity is nothing terrible and if the name of your baby follow Icelandic declension rules this is no trouble. But yes it's not allowed for you to name your baby SATAN.
The story here is that Blær is a men's name but when Björk (the mother ) named her girl no one told here she could not name her girl Blær. So it was long after the baby got the name she was told she had to change the name and ofcourse she refused. This is a lovely name which means breeze but when I declension this word in Icelandic it's a mens word. For you speaking English it's maybe hard to understand since you don't put your nouns in classes like men, women and it´s, like we do in Icelandic. E.g I would in Icelandic say: she the book, hún bókin. I would say :he the car, hann bÃllinn and I would say it the baby, það barnið. I am sorry I am not very good telling you about these rules but it's because of these complicated grammar rules we have this commity. We are very proud of our language and since there are so few on this earth that speak Icelandic we are maybe over protective for our language. But would you not if only 320.000 people spoke English?
One thing I must correct we do not only allow old Norse name.
I hope you can see my Iclandic letters but if not .... I am sorry
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I see now that the Icelandic letters don't show... so sorry.
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I think it's great some countries have rules like this. However, I do think there should be ways to get around it in cases like this one. The list should be fluid - if the name was used for a girl in a famous book, it should be added and if there was a crazy madman with a certain name, their name should be off it.
It's like in France and I think Denmark and other places - they don't just adopt English words for new technologies and inventions, they go back to their language and invent new words. I think that's the best way to go about it. | |
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Thanks Asta - I love hearing about different languages, and especially Nordic cultures... How you explained the gender makes sense... I think Sweden is creating a gender neutral pronoun to 'update' their language... It's interesting to see two different approaches to protecting a language... The naming and genealogy records of Iceland was part of a documentary I saw and it's amazing to see the family tree of a whole country You made me want to get my Iceland travel guides out |
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Hi Asta. Thanks for explaining, that makes sense. I follow what you mean about the language rules. Spanish is the same way - Spanish speakers use gender to reference words in their language - la mapa is feminine, whereas el plato is masculine (indicated by the la in la mapa and the el in el plato). | |
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The list should be fluid - if the name was used for a girl in a famous book, it should be added and if there was a crazy madman with a certain name, their name should be off it.
According to this statement, Bella is a fine name, since it's a fictional character from a popular book. However, Dexter (since there is a fictional serial killer) should be taken off the list. I don't think that is right. Now, if you meant names like Adolf and Hitler to be removed from the list, then yes I agree with you.
Personally, I don't like that the government should have a say in what I name my child. The government is becoming to involved in my life. I say this as a parent who has a child with a "made up" name. However, it's not outrageous. In fact, I know of three other little girls with her name. The parents came up with it the same way we did.
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We used to live in Iceland--my husband is military, and I miss living there it is a beautiful country.
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Thanks Asta. And I get what you are saying.
Carson for example is definitely a BOY name and someone on the thread gave it to a girl. You are saying your government would not allow that. |
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That's the character, Carson McBride, from the movie "Shag." So love that movie!
Carson is certainly a more common boys name, but coincidentally our DD Carson has a friend at her same high school that shares her name as well. So it can't be that uncommon as a girl's name.
Regardless, those were the rules in Switzerland at the time and we respected them. We didn't fight to change them. We abided by them and kept her name and added a second middle name, Leslie, which was on "the list." | |
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I don't like the idea of government-controlled baby naming AT ALL. But there should be a reasonable way to prevent parents from giving their kids really awful names, like that family who named their children after prominent Nazi figures -- Adolf, et al.
That is incredibly rude of you to think that ALL people who name their sons Germanic first names are naming them in honor of Hitler or "The Nazis", some of us do have Germanic heritage and names like Adolf/ Adolph are FAMILY NAMES. I'm also sure you are thinking of the case where the idiots tried to named their children Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun to show their Nazi allegiance and were told they couldn't.
Anyway, I can understand why Iceland and other countries might restrict their "official" name registry because I use to have to navigate the "poor little made up name baby" game as well as idiots who think naming their daughters some masculine name like Maxwell or a last name like Madison is "high class or original" but you go back far enough in the genealogy records and sure enough some jackhole has already done it and a name like Blu Ivy isn't all that original.
Also, I can think of two literary uses of "Blue" as the name of a child and it isn't uncommon when you consider Gone With the Wind where Rhett Butler names his daughter Bonnie Blue Butler and in the old 60s Western series High Chaparral, the youngest son is named Blue also.
But unlike Iceland and the other countries listed, The United States has a rich history of naming our children after Cities, States, Countries, Presidents and all manner of things because we were and always have been a nation of immigrants and sometimes they wanted to name their children for their new country or in memory of the old.
Lastly, from the article it looks like there was an issue that the mother had to petition the State in order to use the name and the Priest that baptized the girl didn't know it either because it had been used in the past as an approved name.
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In a way I like the idea of trying to keep the old Norse traditions. I wish Norway would have had a chance to do the same. In a way I think of Icelanders as the last of the Vikings. They kept the language and a lot of the traditions, and I understand their wish to protect their heritage.
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Thanks Asta for coming on to explain.
I also understand the reasoning is from the government's stance.
It's difficult for those countries that have English only as their language to understand that the main reason is the use of grammatically correct names for their children rather than dictate which creative name you can use. I'm guessing that the list is compiled to make it easier to protect the structure of the language and it's use.
Unlike English,in other languages the noun always has a grammatical gender which is either a He or a She. There is no It.
English as we know it today is a mixture of everyone elses language but was originally a dialect of German origin. I can undertand why individual countries want to protect their original language but this young lady is now caught in the middle of it.
I hope they'll be able to find a solution that's acceptable to both sides. I can't imagine how difficult it would be to have to change your name after 15 years. It would be like changing the identity of a person. I can't imagine identifying my children by any other name than the one given at birth, it just wouldn't be them somehow.
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Dottyscrapper: I thought English was strongly influenced by the old Norse language. After all, the Norman invaders were of Norwegian/Danish origin, not German (although the scandinavian languages are related to German, they certainly are not,nor have they ever been, German dialects). | |
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So what about Belle? Your inanimate object (although spelled slighty different) equals my family name.
Belle is also a short form of Isabelle/Isabella which is perfectly acceptable.
And of course I understand that government interference in naming is not OK, not in this country at least. But it sure would be nice if "Bentley" was only a car brand, not a child's name. And that when someone says their name is "Madison" you know exactly how to spell it instead of asking "is it with 2 y's? 2 i's? an i and y? etc." Basically it's wishful thinking.
And in regards to Adolf, it's a normal, formerly very common, classic German name. Yes, it has been more than tainted by Hitler, but unless you're naming your kid "Adolf Hitler" I don't see the problem. I wouldn't name my kid that, but I would never ban it. |
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Edgy, I did not say that all people using the name Adolf were doing so out of nazi alliance. I was quite clear in what I meant. |
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Dottyscrapper: I thought English was strongly influenced by the old Norse language. After all, the Norman invaders were of Norwegian/Danish origin, not German (although the scandinavian languages are related to German, they certainly are not,nor have they ever been, German dialects
You're right English is strongly influenced by the Norse language as we know the language now but it's evolved over the centuaries.
But way before then it was influenced by the settlers of tribes from what is now North Germany and the Netherlands and Southern Denmark known as the Tutonic Germanic Tribes. They were made up of Angles from Southern Denmark as we know it now, Saxons from Northern Germany as we know it now, some Frisians from what is now the Netherlands and some Frans from what is now France. These countries as we know them now didn't really exist in the 6th centuary when these tribes arrived and there were more Saxons than the others.
The Vikings arrived about 850 or thereabouts and the the Normans in 1066 and then the Danish invasion which wasn't successful.
So over the years it's changed quite a bit from it's original. The influence of the Norse is probably more prevelent to the language today because no-one has invaded us since
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"But it sure would be nice if "Bentley" was only a car brand, not a child's name."
The car company was named after a person... So as soon as someone gives a product a human name, humans should stop being able to use it? There goes Porsche, Mercedes, Adidas, Burt, Furby...
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Dotty: didn't the language change drastically after the Norman invasion? If I'm not entirely mistaken(which I might be, wouldn't be the first time ) around 1200 the scandinavian languages were still so similar with the Norman language (which were the language spoken among the nobility, who were predominately Norman) that a Norwegian king who visited could still understanfd the language. | |
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I saw that article a couple of days ago and part of me thinks that I kind of like that you can't just give your kid some horrible off-beat name (I have seen some really bad names or bad spelling of names) but at the same time I don't think the government should control what you can or cannot name your child. I think the name Blaer is nice and the spelling is okay for that country. I hope she wins her fight and they add the name to the list of "approved names" | |
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I saw a great meme on FB that I can't find now. It said something like, English doesn't borrow from other languages, it follows them into dark alleys, beats them up, and steals everything in their pockets. |
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"But it sure would be nice if "Bentley" was only a car brand, not a child's name."
The car company was named after a person... So as soon as someone gives a product a human name, humans should stop being able to use it? There goes Porsche, Mercedes, Adidas, Burt, Furby...
I see what you're saying, but you're totally missing my point. But then again I had a friend named Corolla, yep like the Toyota. Her mom thought it sounded pretty. My friend was not happy.
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Who decides what is a nice name and what is an awful one? One of my sons has the middle name Joop. He went by this name for a long time. To a Canadian or an American it would seem a ridiculous name and they would all pronounce it wrong. To the Dutch it would be a common name. | |
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I really don't think it counts as a peatlejuice when the poster in question has been a pea for ten years.
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While I feel it is a nice name, I can see how it would be confusing for a language that assigns gender to their nouns. As for an approved list of names, I feel that it is part of their culture, tradition, and government. As for changing a child's name( she is 15 now if I read this correctly), maybe there could be a compromise. Maybe she could use this as her middle name and choose a first name from the approved list.
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Dotty: didn't the language change drastically after the Norman invasion? If I'm not entirely mistaken(which I might be, wouldn't be the first time
Possibly, I'm only going from what I learnt at school, the boring history lessons of that era - Iron age, Romans, Anglo Saxon and the rest Give me the last 200/300 year history any day but I'm not that into it from that long ago !
Saying that though, there are quite a few words from what is classed as Old English used today, although Old English is recorded as being in use pre Anglo Saxon times.
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I live in Denmark, and as mentioned in the article we do have a liste - when we want to name our daughter Nikita, twenty years ago, it wasnt on the list but the church fill in an application and we got a permission to use it - I think it is now on the list, it was updatede a couple a years ago.
I knew a family who wantede to call there daugther "Robin" but at first wasn't allowed because in Denmark its a boys name, but her father was dutch, and there its a girls name, so they were allowed in the end, but choose to name her a very girly name to "Elisabeth", (thats a girls name all over the world I think ) because they knew a woman named Johny (in DK its a boys name) she got very ill and was rushed to the hospital, but the staff "put her aside" because they expectede a man. |
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Hi Asta. Thanks for explaining, that makes sense. I follow what you mean about the language rules. Spanish is the same way - Spanish speakers use gender to reference words in their language - la mapa is feminine, whereas el plato is masculine (indicated by the la in la mapa and the el in el plato).
That would have to be el mapa (map is a masculine word).
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see what you're saying, but you're totally missing my point. But then again I had a friend named Corolla, yep like the Toyota. Her mom thought it sounded pretty. My friend was not happy.
Like I said - wishful thinking.
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