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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:22:38 AM
AL GORE!!

Gore sells CurrentTV to Al Jazeera

This is comedy gold right here.

Al "Inconvient truth" Gore - who espouses that oil is killing our planet, sells his mediocre failure of a network to the Qatar owned Al Jazeera. Where does Qatar get it's money? OIL!

Says Gore:

The former vice president confirmed the sale Wednesday, saying in a statement that Al-Jazeera shares Current TV's mission "to give voice to those who are not typically heard; to speak truth to power; to provide independent and diverse points of view; and to tell the stories that no one else is telling."


"To give voice to those who are not typically heard"? Okay, Mr Gore...like Gays and women? How are their voices heard in Qatar or anywhere in the Arab world? Can women drive cars without their husbands permission? Can they be seen in public with a man who is not related? Can they show their faces whenever they want to? How about Gays? Can they even exist in Qatar? Iran? Saudi Arabia? What about Christians? are they given a voice in Qatar?

Wow. THIS is who your views are "Most aligned with"? That is staggering.

Oh yes...and this gem...in completing this deal prior to the 1st, Al Gore saved himself millions and millions of dollars by avoiding the tax hike. How patriotic of you, Mr. Gore.

Good night. Hypocrite doesnt' even begin to describe this man. To think that he was a scant 530ish votes away from being POTUS. *SHUDDER*





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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:26:22 AM
Priceless.



To think that he was a scant 530ish votes away from being POTUS. *SHUDDER*
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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:30:35 AM
I heard yesterday that the deal was not signed until after Jan 1 so he will get hit with the increase in taxes--and I say good. The idea that all these liberal companies that donated big to the democratic party were getting special dividends out before the end of the year to avoid the increase the height of hypocracy

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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:34:52 AM
I have never said this before, but I agree with you. I can't stand Glenn Beck but for Current to say they wouldn't sell to him because he wasn't in line with their values, but then sell to Al Jazeera? Um, ok.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 9:45:42 AM
I'm so embarassed to admit that I actually voted for that man.
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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:09:57 AM
Yea... I don't get it either.

If there is ONE thing about Beck that I'm certain about it's his love for this country. You may not agree with his Libertarian ideologies.. Fine. But to say that your ideologies align MORE with Al Jazeera (OBL's go-to network for spewing hatred for the US) than Glenn Beck, that's saying something.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:20:39 AM
Apparently, he doesn't hold himself to the same high standards he has for everyone else. He's a POS

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Posted: 1/4/2013 10:32:04 AM
Al Gore being a hypocrite is nothing new.

I found this about the date the deal was signed:

Mr. Gore and his partners were eager to complete the deal by Dec. 31, lest it be subject to higher tax rates that took effect on Jan. 1, according to several people who insisted on anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. But the deal was not signed until Wednesday.


Al Jazeera Seeks a U.S. Voice Where Gore Failed

I'm glad to hear he will get hit with the higher taxes that I am sure he said needed to be paid. Too bad for him that he didn't get to be a hypocrite in that respect too.





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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:20:28 AM
What's wrong with Al Jazeera? I watched it a lot online during the Arab Spring and they were great. Is it because they're a Middle East-run news channel? That's a ridiculous reason.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:23:22 AM
In the past. Al Jazeera has had uncomfortably close ties with Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. I know they have distanced themselves from that but it's still embedded in the minds of many Americans.

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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:25:27 AM

His hypocrisy has been on display for quite some time, but I agree, this should prove to anyone that he has no moral foundation to his purported concern about the planet other than how rich he can get off of it.



Yep. I refuse to listen to anyone preach about the environment that has the carbon footprint of 10 normal people.

He's also getting rich from carbon credits, which I think may be the biggest rip off of all time.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:30:43 AM

If there is ONE thing about Beck that I'm certain about it's his love for this country. You may not agree with his Libertarian ideologies.. Fine. But to say that your ideologies align MORE with Al Jazeera (OBL's go-to network for spewing hatred for the US) than Glenn Beck, that's saying something.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 11:59:34 AM

I don't know if he jumped on the rich liberal bandwagon of 'make me pay more taxes! I'm not taxed enough!' but if he did, then tried to get the deal through before the tax on the deal would be increased on Jan 1 would also make him a hypocrite.

Bit of a hyjack but a LOT of rich Obama supporters did the same exact thing with the "make me pay more taxes" and then cashed out 2013 dividends in 2012 to pay less: Warren Buffet (Washington Post), Oracle, Costco (who BORROWED $$ to do so). Mind boggling.


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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:43:57 PM
Maybe he did us all a favor - Time Warner and Direct TV will drop Al-Jazeera from its offerings already. Hopefully they won't have much of a following and the other cable providers will follow suit.

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Posted: 1/4/2013 12:47:28 PM
I debated whether or not to even post on this thread....

While I don't disagree that Al Gore is a hypocrite in many ways, I do take issue with many things on this thread...

I currently live in the Middle East, and I assure you that in Qatar (and MANY other Arab countries) women are very much allowed to be seen in public with a man they are not related to, allowed to drive, allowed to attend Christian churches (YES, they do exist here), and we all walk around with our faces showing - and hair, and my arms (I wear short sleeves, skirts, shorts, etc). It really irks me when people paint the entire Middle East with a broad brush, coloring it to be like what they perceive of Saudi Arabia. Some of the customs you speak of are related to religion, and even then dependent on the ideas within each family - many Muslim women choose to be covered fully in public for their own comfort, not because they will be killed or hurt otherwise....and it would not be ok for anyone here to kill gays, or anyone of other faiths.

Have any of you actually watched the Al Jazeera news network? I have, many many many hours of it - I have access to CNN, BBC, SkyNews, MSNBC, Foxnews and I always end up on Al Jazeera for the best coverage of pretty much any event. This is from Wiki:

The original Al Jazeera channel's willingness to broadcast dissenting views, for example on call-in shows, created controversies in the Arab States of the Persian Gulf. The station gained worldwide attention following the outbreak of war in Afghanistan, when it was the only channel to cover the war live, from its office there.[3]

In the 2000s, the network was praised by the Index on Censorship for circumventing censorship and contributing to the free exchange of information in the Arab world, and by the Webby Awards, who nominated it as one of the five best news web sites, along with BBC News, National Geographic and The Smoking Gun. It was also voted by brandchannel.com readers as the fifth most influential global brand behind Apple, Google, Ikea and Starbucks. In 2011 Salon.com noted Al Jazeera's coverage of the 2011 Egyptian protests as superior to that of the American news media, while U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton also opined that the network's news coverage was more informative, and less opinion-driven than American journalism.[4]

I agree with Hillary Clinton's opinion above (and I rarely agree with her).

Al Gore is definitely a hypocrite....but Al Jazeera is not aligned with the devil or terrorists, and all Arabs are not akin to terrorists either! For goodness sake....


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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:37:19 AM
So I woke up this morning and promply put on Al Jazeera (as I do every morning, I'm a bit of a news junkie), and am currently watching a program called Witness: The Lost Love Diaries - it is about JEWISH young loves that were separated during WWII when they learned authorities were coming to take him away to a camp...His diary mysteriously showed up at her home the eve before she was to marry someone else (after the war)....and many years later she was widowed and she has set out with her daughter to try to find her first love. They talk about their journey to escape persecution and stay undetected, etc....it's very compelling.

I assume it will be available on their website for viewing after it has aired, or in the next few days if anyone is interested.

I assure you, if Al Jazeera was so terribly slanted and aligned with Al Qaeda, they would NEVER show a program like this about a Jewish couple, or even address this time in history.



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Posted: 1/5/2013 3:37:51 AM

If there is ONE thing about Beck that I'm certain about it's his love for this country

I agree - there's no doubt on that.

Gore's been scarey for as long as I've heard about him. He and many other dems (and probably some repubs) are very invested in GREEN (watch out Kermit!). They are raking it in hand over fist (with many thx to BO).

I have no doubts he is more aligned with the thinking/values of AJ than Beck.

He uses the carbon FP of many more than just 10 people... maybe you meant that for just 1 of his homes.





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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:33:07 AM
Plus there is the added bonus that Al Jeezra is mid-eastern big oil money. for all his talk about green energy, global warming, and carbon credits- to make the biggest transaction of his life with money from oil is incredibly ironic.



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Posted: 1/5/2013 6:38:42 AM
"I assure you, if Al Jazeera was so terribly slanted and aligned with Al Qaeda, they would NEVER show a program like this about a Jewish couple, or even address this time in history. "
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I don't really care that they bought current or what the do or don't show. I am amazed at the hypocrisy of Gore making millions from an entity that gets all of its money from oil.

As to women's rights etc... Well I am glad that Qatar is more progressive than some in that case. But it is not the norm for the region, is it?





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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:07:43 AM
al jazeera has more journalistic integrity than all commercial media in america combined

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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:24:10 AM

I don't really care that they bought current or what the do or don't show. I am amazed at the hypocrisy of Gore making millions from an entity that gets all of its money from oil.

As to women's rights etc... Well I am glad that Qatar is more progressive than some in that case. But it is not the norm for the region, is it?


Regarding the funding of Al-Jazeera:

From the Washington Post:

Al-Jazeera is closely held and receives some funding from the government of Qatar, a small country on the eastern side of the Arabian Peninsula that gets almost half of its gross domestic product from oil and gas, data compiled by Bloomberg show.

“Under Qatari law, Al Jazeera Media Network is incorporated as a private, non-profit company,” Charlotte Fouch, a spokeswoman, said in an e-mail. “Al Jazeera receives funding from the State of Qatar, much like other publicly funded broadcast networks.”


ALMOST HALF of it's gdp is from oil and gas. This is not ALL it's funding. Yes, I know we could end up splitting hairs here, but there is a distinction. They do not get ALL their funding from oil proceeds. In fact, America is the 3rd largest producer of oil and gas in the world (Qatar is 18th). Now, I am STILL not arguing that Al Gore isn't a hypocrite - we have many valid reasons for an accusation like this from him. I am only disputing the "evils" of Al Jazeera and Middle Eastern countries.
The arguments on this thread were not confined to the oil revenues, but the treatment of women, gays, christians, etc were brought into it as if they go hand in hand (Muslim country=horrible human rights violations) - and to that I am disagreeing vehemently!

Qatar is not alone in it's 'fair and liberal' thinking. Many countries in the region like Lebanon, Jordan, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Turkey (not Arab, but many muslims live there), even Syria (before current turmoil) have Christians and Muslims living relatively peacefully side by side. As a rule, places that treat women like the Taliban have are the exception actually.

I have met Arab men and women from many different countries in the region (ironically, most of them not from the UAE where I am living though, as they represent a minority of the population here). Some Muslim Arabs, some Christian Arabs.... My observations are that women are actually treated fairly well. Yes, many of the laws favor men's rights, as is more related to tribal history than to islam itself. This is the problem with trying to generalize regarding the Middle East - it is all about the different tribes, their related histories and theologies....NOT so much about the Islamic faith itself.

However, I see Muslim women here treated very well. Yes they tend to walk behind their husband (some, not all) and the men will usually be served to eat first, and the women and men still tend to be segregated at many social gatherings (but don't we naturally do that ourselves in the west? I know I don't care to engage in the sports/work/etc discussions that the men seem to have when we are out). Yet, most of them never have to work, they are treated very well by their husbands, have maids, nannys for the children, cooks, drivers, etc... They are even allowed to have opinions about politics, the raising of the children, etc, haha. Another surprise for me when I arrived was how many Arab men I saw out and about with the children (without their wives) - doting on their daughters, playing in the play areas, etc. It warmed my heart. Id say I probably have seen that more than I ever did in North America!



Again, I am not arguing against Al Gore's hypocrisy - I just hate to see misinformation about the Middle East brought into the argument unnecessarily.




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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:31:31 AM

al jazeera has more journalistic integrity than all commercial media in america combined



It seriously leaves a bad taste in my mouth to say this, and I'll be quickly rinsing it out with a glass of wine, lol....but I agree with Oblio - however we need to add pretty much all western news organizations to the mix, not just America - CBC in Canada, as well as Cdn networks, and the BBC all tend to have their own 'slants' to report....

I can honestly say, after having watched all of them (we amazingly have access to so much more international broadcasting here) that Al Jazeera has shown to be the most consistently balanced and non-editorial.




The irony isn't that he made a deal with a Muslim country in the Middle East. It's that he made millions on a documentary proselytizing the evils of oil and the damage it has done to our planet and then turns around and sells his company to a network build off of oil revenue. It just shows he was always only about making money and not really about exposing any real "truths".


I agree, mostly.


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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:37:00 AM

From what I understand, it actually is more the norm in most Middle Eastern countries. There are still a number of countries that restrict women and punish non-Muslims, etc. these tend to be the regions where Sharia Law is more strictly followed. Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc. I know that in many Middle Eastern countries women have more liberties. Perhaps not equal to what other western nations have, but certainly it's not the norm to treat women the way they do in Iran. And Iran is the only nation I know of that has killed gays- maybe there are others with similar laws against homosexuality but I have only heard of killings happening in Iran.


Absolutely!! Although, Iran is not an Arab country, but Persian (semantics in a way, but important to them). I have met so many Iranians here (ironically ALL of them are Christians), and westerners are very welcomed and accepted in Iran by the Iranian people (not by the government, etc though).

Sharia law is actually here in the UAE as well, their family law follows Sharia Law, while their Criminal system follows Egyptian law. (this would be more common in the region).


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Posted: 1/5/2013 9:55:59 AM
TracyZ, thank you for your contributions to this thread!


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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:03:48 AM
Dear TracyZ: You will never ever ever change the minds of the people who respond to this thread. They have never met a Muslim. They have never watch AJ TV. They have their preconceived notions of how these people are horrible.

Just cut your losses. It's not worth it. You are far too intelligent, well written and articulate to get through to them.

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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:12:45 AM
Before Tracy's posts, I was going to jump in with some positive impressions of Al Jazeera, but lacked the requisite courage.

Thanks for your posts, Tracy. I have relatives who have lived in the Middle East, from whom I have heard many of the same things about about Middle Eastern culture. I have also read about how children are treasured and how involved fathers are. My experience with teaching children here (U.S.) of Middle Eastern immigrants also supports this - and what you say about women's place in the family and community, no matter how they dress...or what religion they follow.

(And I'm also not commenting on Al Gore. Instead, I'm just contributing to the hijack. You can't judge the whole region because of particular countries. Just read this message board to see how dissimilar English-speaking countries can be!)

(Oh, and some trivia: Jackie Kennedy always walked two steps behind her husband. Things have changed a lot here in just one generation.)






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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:22:02 AM
Thank you, Tracy Z!

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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:26:37 AM

Dear TracyZ: You will never ever ever change the minds of the people who respond to this thread. They have never met a Muslim. They have never watch AJ TV. They have their preconceived notions of how these people are horrible.

Just cut your losses. It's not worth it. You are far too intelligent, well written and articulate to get through to them.

Sincerely, fellow Pea friend.


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Posted: 1/5/2013 10:53:24 AM
Sorry, I was being parenthetical, so unclear, about Mrs,, Kennedy. I shouldn't have said "always." I didn't mean she walked behind her husband when they were on the beach or at a social occasional or, as you illustrate, the Inauguration.

I am old enough to clearly remember, as a little girl, hearing my mother and her friends arguing about Mrs. Kennnedy's choice to walk behind her husband at (probably more official) events. This was the age of budding feminism and it engendered strong opinions.

It could very well be that it was more of a choice because of what we now know about Mrs. K's shyness.I'll look for photos later, but I'm late to leave the house now. This has piqued my interest in researching what previous First Ladies did.

(Yikes, talk about a hijack. Sorry!)


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Posted: 1/5/2013 12:55:31 PM
Thanks for the kind responses.

After two years living in the Middle East I've learned so much, and I find the culture, history and religion here to be fascinating. The more I learn, the more I realize I have left to learn.

One more little tidbit - many of these GCC countries have not always been big oil producers. Countries like the UAE and Qatar initially relied on pearl diving for revenues. Oil wasn't even discovered in the UAE until around the 1950s!

Now we could have a whole other thread where I could belly ache about many things over here (culturally and legally from an Expat perspective)...but that's another day!

I'm definitely climbing down from my soapbox now though. I appreciate everyone going easy on me as I jumped in here. I usually tread very lightly on this board and try to stay way out of the line of fire. I guess I just felt this time I was in a unique position to offer up some valid insight into some commonly held misconceptions about this region and Muslims.

G'nite!


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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:23:37 PM
TFS, Tracy. It's nice to hear from someone who actually KNOWS something about "that other place." It's pretty cool actually!

Me, I'm all about the food. And the kind people. And the fact that "Islam" actually translates, literally, as "love." Huh.



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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:26:22 PM

And the fact that "Islam" actually translates, literally, as "love."


It actually means "submission" or "surrender."



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Posted: 1/5/2013 7:27:38 PM

And the fact that "Islam" actually translates, literally, as "love."


It actually means "submission" or "surrender."


not according to my friend Umair.



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Posted: 1/6/2013 6:50:08 AM

It actually means "submission" or "surrender."

Yes, this is what I learned (in Hebrew class, actually. lol) -- it's from the same root (or the same root letters? I've forgotten some of those details) as "salam" (peace) and means "voluntarily submitting to God". Or actually, I think it's a noun -- so it would mean "voluntary submission to God". Also related to "shalom" in Hebrew, which means "peace".

Anyway, thanks TracyZ for your contributions to this thread. I learned a lot.



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Posted: 1/6/2013 7:33:37 AM

You will never ever ever change the minds of the people who respond to this thread. They have never met a Muslim. They have never watch AJ TV. They have their preconceived notions of how these people are horrible.


Not quite sure how posting on this thread I said all Muslims are horrible.

I simply agreed Al Gore is a hypocrite by spending his life fighting oil money in quest of a greener planet and then accepting a huge payout from oil money.

For the record I had a group of Muslim friends that, growing up, I would spend time with every summer. I don't recall a single one of them was horrible. One tried to date my sister a few too many times but that was it.

ETA: Please don't jump to the conclusion that because someone disagrees with your opinion that they must hate the people that are somehow related to the opinion. It is simply not true. I do think Al Gore is a bumbling idiot. I don't hate him and by relationship I do not hate Muslims. That is ridiculous.



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Posted: 1/6/2013 7:35:42 AM
Al Jazeera is broadcast here in Canada. It's an interesting perspective on events.

I don't understand the glee from the OP, but it's par for the course for her so I'm not surprised.
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