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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:05:09 PM
OMG okay I was hoping it was minor but wow. He used it ALL and was so arrogant when denying it. I would throw out A Live Strong bracelet if I had one!


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:08:38 PM
He may have started Live strong, but it isn't all about him now. I wouldn't punish the charity because of him.


Also, while it was not a good or honest idea it does seem it was pretty rampant during that time. Again I wouldn't punish Live Strong.


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:10:32 PM
Just the idea of what was behind those words. Mimic Lance's life and it was clearly a well doped one.


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:16:20 PM
OML and acting all smug because last time he doped was 2005? WTH!


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:18:05 PM
I really hate liars. I think he should be fined for all the investigation costs, etc.

I'm so disappointed because up until a few months ago I really thought it was just a witch hunt. I believed in him.


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:37:44 PM
I have to say it, I like that he isn't throwing his teammates under the bus.



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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:39:49 PM
I won't watch it, so spoil it-did he admit he doped, doped, doped?


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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:39:57 PM

I have to say it, I like that he isn't throwing his teammates under the bus.




Are there any left for him to throw under the bus? I think that most of them have been caught and confessed, and Lance claimed they were all lying.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 8:46:24 PM
Full admission.

And he is only discussing himself. Not talking about anyone else.


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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:08:24 PM
doped, doped, doped and then some!!!


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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:11:29 PM
Good. I wouldn't take it out on the charity either, but wouldn't give him the time of day either. Did he not swear under oath somewhere that he did not take any? As for others in that sport, I'm also tired of hearing everyone else did it also. So what? What happened to personal responsibility. Reminds me of when my girls were little saying "well, Suzie's Mom lets her." Tough.


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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:21:43 PM
Much that the cycling community suspected he is acknowledging. No doubt in my mind he is still lying about all that he did. I do and will always love LiveStrong. I loved watching him race. I hate most how he hurt people.

He has to live with that.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:23:45 PM
So disappointing. Glad Sheryl Crow dumped him.
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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:45:05 PM
yes he admitted it but he also admitted that he was a bully, arrogant and out of control. he didn't rat on anybody or throw anybody under the bus. I found him humble and likeable...for a change.



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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:46:43 PM
Does the Mighty Opes give him hell? She went off on the guy who wrote "A Million Little Pieces"- I hope she tears Lance Armstrong a new one too.

Or did she let him off easy because he's rich and famous and better connected?

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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:54:19 PM
There's a bike store here where he used to buy his bikes. The place is a shrine to Lance, the man. The owner has been saying he was assured by Lance personally he'd never doped. I believe he also said he'd known him since he was very young. If so, that is sad.

I'm pretty sure doping was rampant during those times. I was really hoping it would have been a case of the cancer drugs had caused a different results in the test.

I admire him for finally telling the truth, but it seems its only because he wants to compete again.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 9:56:23 PM
And Armstrong sued the Sunday Tomes for libel.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:07:53 PM
He sued a whole lot of people for libel. I believe the only reason he is telling his story now is because the statute of limitations has passed for his evidence under oath in 2005. I think he's realised that he's now cornered. Arrogant pr!ck.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:26:33 PM

I admire him for finally telling the truth


REALLY??? He's lied and lied and lied to everyone and now because it is SO obvious that he lied and now telling the truth you admire that?? I can see forgiving someone but admiring someone who under oath said he didn't dope. I guess I don't understand that way of thinking. Everyone has their own opinion, but I think Lance Armstrong is a liar, full of himself, smug, arrogant asshole that took away medals/prizes from other people competing against him who were not doing drugs. Oh poor Lance Armstrong.. what about the guy who came in 2nd legally, he will never get the fame Lance did.

I don't get that at all.




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Posted: 1/17/2013 10:47:17 PM
he is only telling the truth now in hopes that his lifetime ban will be reduced to a couple of years. If that happens he will be able to compete in triathlons and marathons.

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Posted: 1/17/2013 11:32:29 PM
I really wasn't surprised by any of his admissions. Sadly, I always assume anyone who is dominant in their sport for any length of time probably has 'help' to stay that way--look at all of the cyclists, runners/sprinters, professional athletes from many sports who have been caught/admitted to using banned substances . . .

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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:10:54 AM
I read he is only confessing because he wants to be 'forgiven' so he can pursue his new sport, triathlons. Many in that sport are horrified he wants to participate alongside them and I don't blame them. To confess now after all the arrogant denials, and calling other people who outed him liars- he is not someone I would want in my sport.

I honestly think that any doping in any sport should be a life time ban, and I am irritated that the Olympics allow people who have been found to take drugs to compete after a period of time. We have a British athlete who we banned but he was able to appeal and participate in the Olympics despite our ban- he should never have competed again in my opinion, because who knows whether there is a permanent advantage left over from previous drug use?

Maybe a true life- time ban would discourage anyone tempted to go down the cheating route.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:17:57 AM
I feel sorry for his children, and his ex wife.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:47:27 AM
Lame, self justifying confession to boot. "I only ..." "And not very much ..."

They can take back his medals but can they give back the winning moments he may have stolen from other deserving athletes?



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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:51:50 AM
You're quite a few years too late with your spoiler. It's amazing that anyone still believed any little thing he said.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 5:55:31 AM
he didn't rat on anybody or throw anybody under the bus.

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Is there anybody left he hasn't already done that to? I haven't seen the interview yet b/c I'm out of town, but I got the gist of it.

Unless he was coming on there to say that he couldn't bear the hurt & pain he's caused for so many other people and he needed to apologize to clear his conscious, I don't have much use or sympathy for his apology. Of course that isn't why he did it. He's an arrogant, narcissistic liar, only admitting it in hopes he gains something from it - the ability to compete again.

Livestrong has done lovely work, and I'm happy for that. But their founder doesn't have an ounce of integrity left, as far as I'm concerned. He lied to personal friends, he sued people, he fired employees, and he ruined people's lives and careers with his disgusting lies & arrogance.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 6:09:35 AM

I read he is only confessing because he wants to be 'forgiven' so he can pursue his new sport, triathlons.



Somehow I don't buy that as the reason he confessed. For one thing, he's pretty much past the age for serious competition. For another, what athlete would want to be associated with him? No, there's another reason he's doing this, and it will be a self centered one...maybe he wants to write a tell all book, have a movie made, I don't know, but whatever it is, will be all about Lance and money. I think that's all Lance cares about...himself, and money.

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I read some really interesting comments from a British road cyclist earlier this week. The part in bold I particularly liked/appreciated:

Beijing road race Olympic champion Nicole Cooke has attacked drug cheats in her sport after announcing her retirement from professional cycling.

Cooke, 29, said she had come under pressure to take performance-enhancing drugs during her career.

The Welsh cyclist also claimed she had been "robbed" by cheats.

But she added: "I am very happy with my career. I have many happy memories over what's been a life's work."

Announcing her retirement on Monday she said: "I am now 29 so that's 17 years of my life I have enjoyed and now I am bringing to a close. I won every race and more than I dreamt I could win.

You cannot believe how happy I am being able to stand here with my dreams fulfilled."

She said: "Every scandal on the men's side has caused sponsors to leave on the women's side. With such thin budgets, the losses have a greater relative impact on what survives.

I have had days where temptation to start onto the slippery slope was brought in front of me. In my [first] Tour de France, when I was 19, as the race went on my strength left me.

I was invited into a team camper and asked what 'medicines' I would like to take to help me and was reminded that the team had certain expectations of me during the race and I was not living up to them.

I said I would do my best until I had to drop out of the race, but I was not taking anything.

I do despair that the sport will never clean itself up when rewards of stealing are greater than riding clean. If that remains the case, the temptation for those with no morals will always be too great.

I have been robbed by drugs cheats, but am fortunate. I am here with more in my basket than the 12-year-old dreamed of.

But for many people out there who do ride clean - people with morals - many of these people have had to leave the sport with nothing after a lifetime of hard work, some going through horrific financial turmoil."

Cooke said: "When Lance cries on Oprah later this week and she passes him the tissue, spare a thought for all those genuine people who walked away with no rewards - just shattered dreams. Each one of them is worth a thousand Lances.


I have ridden through the time of Lance and all of the dreadful tragedy that the abuses surrounding him have brought to my sport.

I have faced up to the temptations but have always remained true to the 12-year-old inside me.

Yes I have suffered as a result, in many ways, but so what? I am not alone, I am one representative of that group, those who do it right.

I have ridden through some of the darkest days of the sport in terms of corruption by the cheats and liars.

I cannot change the era or time that I am born into. I am very proud that I have ridden true to myself and placed my morals beyond a need to win. I have ridden clean throughout my career in a sport so tainted.

I look forward to the exciting next chapter of my life and thank everyone for supporting me during the last one."




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Posted: 1/18/2013 6:19:52 AM
As Oprah said, fame magnifies who you really are. He is a prick and fame made him a bigger prick.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:32:24 AM
What he said last night wasn't a surprise, but I think I understand why he lied and did what he did. Not saying it's right, not saying he had the right to do what he did, but I think I get the motivation.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:34:18 AM
I think he's trying to cash in on "everyone loves a redemption story."

The problem is, he hasn't redeemed himself in any way. His confession is self serving to put it mildly.

Fine Lance, you came clean. You will never be allowed to compete in any sport again.

Now go away. There are other cancer charities who need money that weren't founded on lies.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:50:06 AM

I think this article pretty much nails it on why he went on Oprah.

Life of Armstrong Over As He Knows It



Devastated by his new reality, one that prevents him from competing in sanctioned triathlons and marathons for the rest of his life, Armstrong wanted a quick fix. He wanted to take care of his latest and greatest problem the way he has handled every other issue in his career: by getting rid of it.



But as Armstrong, the cancer survivor and seven-time Tour de France winner, is now painfully realizing, everything has changed in his life. The man who used to control everything now controls nothing.

The U.S. Anti-Doping Agency is in charge of Armstrong's life now, a turn of events that Armstrong must find especially cruel, even as most of the rest of us find it absolutely fitting.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:51:44 AM

Now go away. There are other cancer charities who need money that weren't founded on lies.
So all the good that his charity has done is nullifed because of his actions outside the charity?

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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:53:53 AM


I couldn't help but recall this thread.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:54:48 AM
The thing in the interview that irritated me the most was when she asked him if he considered what he did as cheating and he said "no, I wasn't cheating"

Well...Lance if you didn't consider it cheating, why did you feel the need to hide it and lie about it all those years? Of course you knew it was cheating.

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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:58:45 AM
I couldn't get past the idea that he thinks that testosterone shouldn't have been banned for him because he was short a testicle. <SMH>


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Posted: 1/18/2013 7:59:36 AM

What he said last night wasn't a surprise, but I think I understand why he lied and did what he did. Not saying it's right, not saying he had the right to do what he did, but I think I get the motivation.


Ego, power, wanting to win at all costs, money, fame....I'm sure I missed a few other reasons?

The thing is, he is/was a gifted athlete. He was competitive and capable of winning without the doping, I'm sure. He's the not the first or the last to do this. For me, it's not so much about what he DID, but his reaction when he got caught.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:25:28 AM
Can someone explain medically what advantage the doping gave him?




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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:27:56 AM
I really hope that from now on no legitimate sport ever allows him to compete. This is one time that I believe the lifetime ban is appropriate.

Cheater.



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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:33:22 AM
I hope for his family's sake he CAN become a better person. That will not happen over night.
I am surprised that so many people are mad that he seemed so arrogant and smug in the interview I feel he was just being himself. I'm not sure how people wanted him to act? If he had been crying people would have said it was all an act. How did you want him to act?
Don't get me wrong, I DON'T like Lance! I think he is not a nice person, but I do believe people can change. I also believe in forgiveness.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:38:27 AM
This is not news. Only that he is finally admitting it. He has always been superbly arrogant, as well.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:38:58 AM
Denda, I think this article is interesting, especially the part about confession by Oprah. Maybe years from now people won't feel so used by a man they once admired, but for now I don't think Lance should be trying to lay the groundwork for any comebacks.



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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:39:46 AM

he is only telling the truth now in hopes that his lifetime ban will be reduced to a couple of years. If that happens he will be able to compete in triathlons and marathons.
I do believe that this is why he came out and admitted to doping. And to me, that makes his apology empty and meaningless. And could he have picked a more wussy way to come clean?!?


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Posted: 1/18/2013 8:40:38 AM

Cooke said: "When Lance cries on Oprah later this week and she passes him the tissue, spare a thought for all those genuine people who walked away with no rewards - just shattered dreams. Each one of them is worth a thousand Lances.
And this bears repeating!


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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:09:02 AM

but I think Lance Armstrong is a liar, full of himself, smug, arrogant asshole that took away medals/prizes from other people competing against him who were not doing drugs.


I don't think they were many competitors that *weren't* doping. Pretty much none of the "known" racers were clean. It really evens the playing field among those trying to gain advantage over the the same field!

I've always admired Lance for his relentless dedication and probably was one of the last hold out believers that it was a witch hunt. I am deeply saddened by the whole thing. I HATE lying passionately. I've always thought him to be arrogant and 'difficult' but always figured any one who would do vehemently and bullishly deny something would have a shred of dignity and truth...I guess not


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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:18:06 AM

but I think Lance Armstrong is a liar, full of himself, smug, arrogant asshole that took away medals/prizes from other people competing against him who were not doing drugs.


I don't think they were many competitors that *weren't* doping. Pretty much none of the "known" racers were clean. It really evens the playing field among those trying to gain advantage over the the same field!



I would think there would have been someone not doping that maybe could have at least the chance to win is what I was saying. That's who I feel bad for, the honest racer(s)...



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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:24:32 AM
I never liked him even before all of this. He was always so arrogant. Can't say I'm surprised in the least.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:33:13 AM

I don't think they were many competitors that *weren't* doping. Pretty much none of the "known" racers were clean. It really evens the playing field among those trying to gain advantage over the the same field!
If even one competitor was not doping, the 'even the playing field' argument is moot.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 9:44:41 AM
A lot of people got rich, himself included, on a name built on lies and cheating. There are too many actually decent people running good charities to donate a cent to Livestrong. If you don't think money goes into an individual's pocket simply because it is a charity you are woefully misinformed. Or deluded.


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Posted: 1/18/2013 10:20:26 AM
So, of course I watched the interview since my DH and I are avid cyclist and are/were huge Lance fans. We both weren't shocked by what we heard, but a bit let down as we like to believe the good in people.


Everyone has their own opinion, but I think Lance Armstrong is a liar, full of himself, smug, arrogant asshole that took away medals/prizes from other people competing against him who were not doing drugs. Oh poor Lance Armstrong.. what about the guy who came in 2nd legally, he will never get the fame Lance did.


I actually don't believe his doping made any difference to the outcomes of others. Nearly everyone in that era was doping, whether they were caught or not. So to say someone else would have gotten it had he not doped, I doubt it. I think the playing field was fairly even back then. That's why they won't be naming a winner for the 7 Tour de France wins that Lance was stripped on, because if they did, they would have to retrospectively test all the riders and I'm sure the 50th place person would then be the winner. Yes, there was probably very amatuer riders who didn't dope, but they really had no chance in winning the race even if the big wigs weren't doping.


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