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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:00:57 PM
First, let me state that I don't believe the tragedy at Sandy Hook was a government plot to take guns away from people.

I believe that a mentally ill person was responsible for killing 27 people plus himself of his own free will.

With that said, I'm confused! I love to read all the conspiracy theories about different events as I find them fascinating. I don't believe them but I find myself just fascinated with them.

I don't understand this one, though.

I've read stuff online (and 1 of my FB friends is forever posting the latest "gotcha" that proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Obama was behind the shooting) stating basically that the whole shooting was the work of the government as a way to pass gun control laws.

Ive seen it said that Adam Lanza was a government operative, or that he wasn't really involved at all.

Ive seen it said that there was nobody killed that day and the so called victims were put in the witness protection program.

Ive seen it said that the government has hired 'crisis actors' to act as grieving families. In fact, one article I read said that one of the mothers that was being played by an actor is the same female attorney that is defending the shooter from the Batman theater shooting in Colorado.

There have also been questions raised about the weapon used to kill the victims at the school. The police have said a long gun was in the car he used to drive there, but the medical examiner (or coroner, I don't recall which) said all the victims were killed with the long gun.

Also, the media reported a man who was in the woods behind the school that was arrested but then no more reporting was done about that.

Again, I don't believe these things are true, but I am curious about the man from the woods and the discrepancy about the weapon used to kill the victims.

Does anyone have any more information about those 2 points?

And, why in the world would people believe this was all a sham? And that so many people would just go along with it? Wouldn't the entire town have to be in on it for it to work?

Its just such a foreign concept to me!



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:02:33 PM

And, why in the world would people believe this was all a sham? And that so many people would just go along with it? Wouldn't the entire town have to be in on it for it to work?
I think a conspiracy theory requisite is that it not appear logical to normal people.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:04:17 PM

I think a conspiracy theory requisite is that it not appear logical to normal people.


I guess so!



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:07:20 PM
I think sometimes it just allows people to attach hope elsewhere... that the events could not have possibly taken place



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:25:08 PM
Wasn't it Bush that had 911 happen? or was it Clinton?

I know we have a lot of disturbed people in this country (and world) but really that many people would allow this crap to happen and no one stop it? It really makes me sad that people would think this. I saw something on FB the other day how these kids aren't really dead and it never really happened.

It saddens me deeply to think of what these families are going thru because of this tradegy

I am scared for my children and grandchildren

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:27:52 PM

There have also been questions raised about the weapon used to kill the victims at the school. The police have said a long gun was in the car he used to drive there, but the medical examiner (or coroner, I don't recall which) said all the victims were killed with the long gun.

Also, the media reported a man who was in the woods behind the school that was

#1 It makes me sick people believe this. #2 It makes me sick that the answers to these two questions were so lightly reported a lot of people don't know the answers.
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eta- the "makes me sick" wasn't directly to you Amanda. It was in general. I have de-friended about a dozen people on FB because of this.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:27:58 PM
These conspiracy theories are the ultimate slap in the face to the people of Newtown, and beyond disrespectful to the families.
My blood boils when I hear of them.

The mother of one of my daughter's friends says it was all a hoax and they were all actors.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:29:07 PM
Considering that I'm friends with people who are friends with or related to some of these grieving parents, that's the one that drives me crazy. They're all in on it? The friends, the relatives? Everyone is acting?




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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:37:37 PM
I think the whole thing is repugnant. When you can suspend disbelief so much and then you say you want the right to own a gun? These are the people I fear.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:43:05 PM

I think the whole thing is repugnant. When you can suspend disbelief so much and then you say you want the right to own a gun? These are the people I fear.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:56:22 PM

With that said, I'm confused! I love to read all the conspiracy theories about different events as I find them fascinating. I don't believe them but I find myself just fascinated with them.



I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:59:44 PM

I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.


This.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:02:08 PM

I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.


ITA.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:10:41 PM
I get it, I find the minds that can come up with this crap very interesting. What makes them tick and how they get seemingly normal people to buy into there crazy ness. To think that all those that died are just in witness protection, yeah like that would ever happen, yet people are believing this

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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:15:42 PM
You can't make sense out of irrationality. I think the conspiracy theorists are not only irrational, but way over on the crazy side. It scares the hell out of me that they're the ones with the guns!



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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:20:44 PM
Here is a good article:
Salon article. If you search youtube, there are some good debuking videos as well.

I got into it on FB with someone. I rarely do that, but this one just pisses me off so much. The guy who posted it backed down (he always does when confronted), but one of his friends would NOT be rational at all.

He called me a Kool-Aid drinker and a sheep; meanwhile, he believes everything the conspiracy video says.

Sick people out there I tell ya.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:25:31 PM
I feel sick about the fact that these poor families, who have already endured so much, now have to put up with a bunch of crazies who deny their loss. These people are as bad as the Westboro Baptist Church nutters.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:39:18 PM
I think the people who start these "theories" look for uneducated people who will believe anything ... Kind of like cult leaders. I noticed that the people posting on Facebook all had horrible spelling and grammar. Not to mention they were just regurgitating the crap that's all over the internet ... Not coming up with their own ideas. I finally had to stop reading the Facebook memorials because I couldn't help myself but to argue with them. It's truly disgusting. Emily Parker's page had to be removed because it was so awful.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:08:36 AM
I wonder if the people who think this is all staged have ever been on a movie set or to Hollywood to see a production. I have read these conspiracy theories (on this and other events) and I guess I find it interesting that people really invest their time and thoughts in this.

I have to think too that the media and news feeds into this. We see so many far fetched movies and tv shows full of violence and conspiracy. The news stations are so quick to report about things that they leave out certain facts or details, details that the views think their deserve to know. In return, that makes people wonder and then fill in the holes with their own thoughts. We are so conditioned by the shows we see that we want a full explanation. Maybe if you don't watch a lot of drama tv series or action type movies it would be hard to understand.

Of course, it's human nature too. I will admit, I would be interested to know more about the shooter and his mom. What makes something like this happen. How did the planning happen, how didn't more close family and friends know he was a ticking timebomb. What did the dad & brother know? I am sure others might not want to know anything about it, but I just wonder what happens to make some snap and so something so terrible.

There is so much distrust in our government and leaders. I guess people don't want to believe that a regular person could be this evil and it must be the government

It is sad for the victims' families who are probably struggling to move on everyday to try and understand why this would happen at this particular school and to their loved ones.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:11:39 AM

I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.


Exactly.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 9:21:35 AM
I thought I heard one gun was a shotgun and the other an assault rifle. An AR style gun with high round capacity like officers have in most police cars. There were so many stories coming out in the news every few minutes that day on the net. We followed it online at work. It was unreal how the stories changed in minutes between different news websites. Another problem we have...everyone wants the first story but information is so scattered and not correct during a crisis.

I agree. Conspiracy theorists are just as nuts as their stories.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:50:34 AM

I don't think the administration was behind the tragedy.

I hope everyone reading this is clear on that.

I do think it's being used in an opportunistic way to pressure legislation that has been desired by anti-gun activists for a long time.

High emotion as someone mentioned on a thread yesterday, doesn't usually create the sensible legislation that thoughtful reflection does.


Very well said!


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Posted: 1/23/2013 10:59:36 AM
This along with the Holocaust, Twin Towers, and landing on the moon are all either invented by or done by the government....Yeah Right....what a bunch of idiots.


I also think that the media in their frenzy to get information out without verifying it helps feed this sort of thing when they have to backtrack and change the story later. The media has shown themselves to be not at all trustworthy even on simple matters, and folks are going to tend wonder what they're hiding this time.


I agree in their rush to make the news, they don't always have the facts right away. Sometimes it takes several days for the info to be released. when misinfo comes out it only fuels the fires.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:04:23 AM

I find it fascinating that there wasn't this rush to have Biden chair a forum and magically come up with 23 EO's and demands for fast legislative action when a congresswoman was shot, and, most especially, last summer when 12 people died in a theater, followed shortly by 6 people killed in their house of worship. They couldnt be bothered to have this frenzy of activity and debate on gun control during a presidential re-election campaign, but the first shooting after the election is demanding immediate action. I have to wonder if I'm not the only one who has noticed this, and if that is helping feed the conspiracy theories as well.

Or perhaps that there were 20 of our most innocent civilians involved. I think the public stood up like never before and pressured the administration to do something.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:06:35 AM
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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:06:51 AM
Thoughtful reflection has been going on for a long time by many people. It just so happens that we think people will listen after something like this happens so we have to jump on it otherwise it will fall to the bottom of the priority list.

High emotion is what critics say when they want to ignore the fact that people have been focusing on this unheard for a long, long time. This is not emotion. This is facts, laws, outcomes. Hardly emotion. That is nothing but an insult to people who have long-held deep seated principles.

Unless emotion drives people to their feelings about abortion and the like.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 11:12:36 AM

Or perhaps that there were 20 of our most innocent civilians involved. I think the public stood up like never before and pressured the administration to do something.


ITA.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:02:54 PM

Or perhaps that there were 20 of our most innocent civilians involved. I think the public stood up like never before and pressured the administration to do something.


I was taking so long to type someone had to go say something smart in the meantime. And then I saw who it was. Of course.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:12:55 PM

I also think that the media in their frenzy to get information out without verifying it helps feed this sort of thing when they have to backtrack and change the story later. The media has shown themselves to be not at all trustworthy even on simple matters, and folks are going to tend wonder what they're hiding this time.



Absolutely but I blame the public as well. If they don't hear eveything right away they get pissed, wonder why it is taking so long, what are they hiding, etc. So it goes both ways. They can't win sometimes.



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Posted: 1/23/2013 12:36:43 PM
I'm also with Tina. What a weird comment to make, Nightowl. This shooting is different than the others. This is the first time during Obama's presidency twenty 6-7 year olds were butchered in their classrooms.


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I find it fascinating that there wasn't this rush to have Biden chair a forum and magically come up with 23 EO's and demands for fast legislative action when a congresswoman was shot, and, most especially, last summer when 12 people died in a theater, followed shortly by 6 people killed in their house of worship. They couldnt be bothered to have this frenzy of activity and debate on gun control during a presidential re-election campaign, but the first shooting after the election is demanding immediate action. I have to wonder if I'm not the only one who has noticed this, and if that is helping feed the conspiracy theories as well.



I remember a lot of publicity, anger, and outrage after Gabby Giffords and the others were shot. Also after the Aurora shooting. I believe that the outrage and anger is cumulative, and boiled over after Sandy Hook. I find nothing surprising about that.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:09:34 PM
I know someone who is pretty severely mentally ill and totally believes in Sandy Hook conspiracies. I'm not saying all who do are mentally ill, but sometimes that is a factor. It's kind of sad really.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:25:12 PM

I think that's offensive in light of the little girl who was killed when Rep. Giffords was shot (8 years old), and the little girl who was killed in the Aurora theater (6 years old).
I could just as easily say that that is offensive in light of the >150 children that were shot completely outside of the spotlight.

The difference between the tragedy at Sandy Hook and the tragedies that take place over and over throughout the year is the magnitude. That's not offensive. It's just a fact.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:41:18 PM
But Nightowl, I do agree with you.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:52:36 PM
I guess what I mean is that, while I understand how Sandy Hook is different just by virtue of scale, it shouldn't have taken the shooting of twenty kids at one time to spark outrage when kids are being similarly killed all the time.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 1:55:03 PM
I don't think that anybody is happy about the timing. I don't think that anybody is happy about the shooting death of any person, be they 6 or 66. I think that many people have wanted stricter gun control laws for a long, long time. Unfortunately, the magnitude of this latest tragedy inspired many of those people to stand up and say, "Enough." And for whatever reason, the administration chose this time to listen.

The death of twenty kindergarteners at a time is shocking, regardless of who you are. This particular shock moved people to action like past attacks did not. It's a damn shame that it took this long.

And you know what, I'm not going to be pissed off or look for reasons behind why the administration didn't act before.Because now they are. Finally. And maybe now we can head off the further massacre of our people.

But you go on and call me offensive and try to put words in my mouth if that's what makes you feel superior. The fact is that none of us want to see more children die. None of us wants random gun violence in our schools, our churches, in our movie theaters, in our urban areas, or in our backyards. If now is the time to finally work toward eradicating gun violence in our country, then let's finally get it done. Enough already.


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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:00:28 PM

I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.
ITA. It mystifies me that anyone would enjoy reading this garbage.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:06:30 PM

I remember a lot of publicity, anger, and outrage after Gabby Giffords and the others were shot. Also after the Aurora shooting. I believe that the outrage and anger is cumulative, and boiled over after Sandy Hook. I find nothing surprising about that.


^^^THIS^^^

I know for me, personally, the outrage was building with each one of these incidents, probably starting with Columbine. Sandy Hook just pushed me off the cliff, and I think that's true of a HUGE number of people. It's not unusual for the Nation to come together and demand action when there's a straw, like Sandy Hook, that breaks the back of a large portion of citizenry.

It's also fed by social media and 24 hr news channels. Interestingly enough, I think the pro-gun segment had a lot to do with it too. When people took to the internet to express their grief and horror, they were met with pro-gun people posting stupid pictures, and equally stupid 'You'll never take my guns' rhetoric.

Then folks noticed that the NRA couldn't even bring itself to make a statement of ANY kind, let alone say they were as saddened and horrified just like the rest of the Nation. The least they could have done was make themselves look vaguely human.

Between the NRA's silent, and the social media morons, it just furthered my resolve to speak up and say 'No more. Not now, not ever. ENOUGH"

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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:13:12 PM

And you know what, I'm not going to be pissed off or look for reasons behind why the administration didn't act before.Because now they are. Finally. And maybe now we can head off the further massacre of our people.





I agree with you. But I also have no problem with agreeing with NOS that the inaction in the past has been political. But the shame in that in my mind is fairly and squarely on the shoulders of the ever mighty gun lobby.

I believe it took the horror of Sandy Hook to galvanize public opinion to the extent that politicians could take advantage of the new climate. It is only when the people speak out in numbers that politicians are able to start breaking out of the kind of stranglehold the gun lobby has. Polling on the need for gun control measures have swung tremendously in the wake of Sandy Hook. Some will call that opportunistic, but that is what politicians do so it should come as no surprise.






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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:40:30 PM
No one understands why she enjoys reading this stuff? I'm going to go out on a limb, and say I'm sure she isn't having a party and clapping her hands and thinks, wow, this is awesome! I'd gather she finds it fascinating, just like I found it fascinating to read about Hitler, or I find it fascinating to read some of the complete 12 page bullshit threads on this message board that are beyond crazy. Crazy is interesting. One of the main reasons I read this message board is because I find it fascinating some of the crud people think or believe. It just so happens the OP is reading what crazy people think about this tragedy.

why does it need to be looked down upon like she is some sort of deviant for reading conspiracy theories about the shooting?

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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:51:24 PM

I guess I have trouble understanding why you would love reading about conspiracy theories that bring so much pain to people who have already been through so much.

There is nothing to understand because they are not true. It's all made up crap. Sick..all of it.

ITA. It mystifies me that anyone would enjoy reading this garbage.


On some level you must understand the interest or you wouldn't even read this board, much less have opened this thread.

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Posted: 1/23/2013 2:51:35 PM

No one understands why she enjoys reading this stuff? I'm going to go out on a limb, and say I'm sure she isn't having a party and clapping her hands and thinks, wow, this is awesome! I'd gather she finds it fascinating, just like I found it fascinating to read about Hitler, or I find it fascinating to read some of the complete 12 page bullshit threads on this message board that are beyond crazy. Crazy is interesting.


Exactly! Why do people read or study about history, war, etc... because it is of interest. What huge event in history hasn't there been a conspiracy theory about.


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