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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:04:11 PM
Tina mentioned on my other thread that she didn't see people favoring a ban of guns.

It seems to me that many do, in fact, favor an outright ban.

So, I thought I'd ask.


I favor regulation. Stringent regulation.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:05:24 PM
I am absolutely in favor of regulation, depending on what the regulations are.

There have been some proposals that I would be on board with.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:06:47 PM
I favour regulation. Honestly, the only reason I don't support a full-out ban is because it's hard to take down a moose with a bow and arrow and it's too expensive to do it with a car.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:07:12 PM
Just like you: Stringent regulation.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:07:26 PM
Jo, what are Canada's laws with respect to gun ownership?





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:07:27 PM
Oh awesome, I'm an inspiration today.

I'm in favor of regulation.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:09:28 PM
I'm about 40% strict regulation, and 60% outright banning (besides law enforcement and military personnel).


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:11:28 PM
Strict and enforced regulation. I don't know what it would involve, specifically, but I think buying a gun shouldn't be easy. There should regulations in place about what types of guns people can buy. And there should be checks to ensure unstable and/or violent people can't acquire or continue ownership of guns.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:13:25 PM
I think buying a gun should be a pain in the ass. I think maintaining ownership of a gun should be a pain in the ass.

People who want them will work for them.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:17:18 PM
The sad thing is, Lauren, I couldn't even tell you. Guns play such a small part in my life (and the lives of those around me), that I don't honestly pay much attention to what the actual regulations are.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:18:33 PM
Kristen, should it be anymore of a pain in the ass than owning a car?





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:19:01 PM
Strict regulation, strictly enforced

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:20:47 PM

should it be anymore of a pain in the ass than owning a car?
I think so, because the main purpose of a gun is to harm or kill. Whether it is animals or humans, hunting, self-dense, or murder. Vehicular deaths might be common, but a car's purpose isn't to harm or kill.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:20:55 PM
Yes.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:22:27 PM
I don't know that I agree with that. I'll need to think about it.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:22:45 PM
Strict regulation and my husband and I have talked about this quite a bit lately.

We think it's time for those who have guns and inadvertently let their children and adult children gain access, to be held accountable for what ever happens to the public.

You better damn well keep your guns locked up safely and get your kids mental health help or lose everything if something happens.
The parents should be held liable if their child takes a gun to school and does nothing more with it even.

Clip size needs to be regulated, owners need to do a better job of securing them and we need to have better mental health screening in order to obtain firearms. I'd also love to see schools given better funding to help screen and get help to those children who are bullied. Strict anti-bully programs also need to be put into place.

FTR we both own firearms, one of us has a conceal/carry and we also use them for hunting and skeet/trap shooting.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:23:01 PM
Reasonable, but strong, regulation and enforcement. Not opposed to gun ownership, but as someone else said, it shouldn't be as simple as sashaying into a gun show and walking out with an arsenal a third world terrorist would be proud to own.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:23:36 PM
I'm good with regulations. Somewhere there's a middle ground, it doesn't have to be all or nothing.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:23:41 PM
Like Kristen said, as usual I agree, very stringent regulation. Personally an outward ban would suit me fine but I know how people love their guns in this country and know that wouldnt work, but we need to do something different.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:23:49 PM
Strict enforcement of tough regulations.






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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:25:04 PM
Okay, google is my friend. I just found this re. Canadian gun ownership:

Individuals who wish to possess or acquire firearms in Canada must have a valid possession-acquisition, or possession-only, licence (PAL/POL); either of these licences allows the licensee to purchase ammunition. The PAL is distributed exclusively by the RCMP and is generally obtained in the following three steps:

1.Safety training: To be eligible to receive a PAL, all applicants must successfully complete the Canadian Firearms Safety Course (CFSC) for a non-restricted licence, and the Canadian Restricted Firearms Safety Course (CRFSC) for a restricted licence; the non-restricted class is a prerequisite to the restricted licence. The RCMP publishes information on the locations and availability of these courses.

2.Applying for a licence: Currently only one type of licence is available to new applicants, the possession-acquisition licence (PAL). People can request a PAL by filling out Form CAFC 921.

3.Security screening: Background checks and investigations are performed. All applicants are screened, and a mandatory 28-day waiting period is imposed on first-time applicants, but response time may be longer.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:25:51 PM

We think it's time for those who have guns and inadvertently let their children and adult children gain access, to be held accountable for what ever happens to the public.


Now this I wholeheartedly agree with. Gun Carelessness should be severely punished.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:26:08 PM
I think some stricter background checks are in order. But keep in mind that in one of the recent cases someone else bought the shooter his guns. I believe I should have the right to own guns.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:27:14 PM
Strict regulation and enforcement. I'm a liberal who is surrounded by liberals and I don't think I know one person who supports a total ban on gun ownership.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:27:26 PM
Strict regulation.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:27:47 PM
That sounds like a good start, Jo.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:30:18 PM

Gun violence is far too serious an issue for politicians to be passing meaningless laws that do nothing but make people feel like something is being done when the net effect of those laws is either non existent, or worse, leads to more crime and citizens unable to defend themselves.


Having gotten the full TSA patdown treatment last week because my underwire bra set off the metal detector, I couldn't agree more. The regulations have to be meaningful and enforceable otherwise it's all an illusion of safety and meaningless.





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I think buying a gun should be a pain in the ass. I think maintaining ownership of a gun should be a pain in the ass.

People who want them will work for them



This would work for me.

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- I am in favor of the Federal, state, and local governments along with the mental health system ensuring that pertinent information is passed accordingly during background checks for gun purchases - juvenile records, felony records, misdemeanor records, and severe mental health diagnosis.

- I am in favor of having ALL gun purchasers go through a background check closing the gun show loophole.

- If there is ANY indication that a member of the family or a resident of the family has a mental incapacity living in the home and would have access to any firearms, something would need to be done to insure that person could not access the weapon. I don't know how to make this happen without violating a person's right to privacy, but this is something that must be addressed considering recent events.

- I am in favor of all gun purchasers go through safety training and range testing for the type of weapon they want to purchase in order to show proficiency in using it.

- I am in favor of those citizens who want to carry a concealed weapon be able to do so after training and range qualification of 80%. Re-certification happens every year or every other year for citizens. This qualification percentage is higher than most LEO agencies (LEOs have a 70% proficiency).

- I am still on the fence about private gun sales. They need some type of background check/controls to ensure they do not fall into the wrong hands. I do not have any suggestions right now on how to make that happen.

- I am in favor of the federal government clearly defining what an assault weapon is based on mechanics - not cosmetics.

- Get rid of No Gun Zones for the time being. The last few highly visible public shootings have all happened in NGZ areas.

- I am in favor that those who want to legislate guns must sit through a two day course than includes instruction on how the gun works, taking it apart, cleaning it, putting it back together, and shooting it. If you are going to legislate it, you need to understand how it operates.

- Start tracking the number of reports when private citizens use a gun to stop a crime from being committed. Right now this information is not tracked by any agency. LEOs do not track this information because a crime was not committed. We can't have good gun control if we don't have a clear understanding of what benefit they are providing.

What should NOT be limited:
- Magazines and the number of rounds they hold
- Ammunition purchases
- Number of guns owned
- Telling people how they should store their guns

This is not an inclusive list.

Can others provide more detail on what they consider "stringent" regulation than "pain in the ass"? (Sorry KiKi)

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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:33:19 PM
Lauren, I think that is just the beginning. Restricted firearms are also registered and I know that there are laws concerning where ammunition is stored, etc.

And that's the most I've learned about gun laws here ever.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:55:47 PM

I'm about 40% strict regulation, and 60% outright banning (besides law enforcement and military personnel).


Yup to the same. And severe consequences to those who endanger others who mishandle guns.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 2:57:31 PM
I support strict regulation and enforcement.


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Can others provide more detail on what they consider "stringent" regulation than "pain in the ass"? (Sorry KiKi)


This made me laugh

I actually like your solutions! I will be the first to admit that I know very very little about guns. What I do know is that I'm tired of hearing about shootings (mass or otherwise), and I'm at wit's end.

My little guy (see siggy pic) has had a series of "Possum Picnics" at school where he and his classmates hide in their cubbies and remain - I quote - "very quiet just in case a bad stranger comes to our school to hurt us". I'm heartbroken just typing that. He shouldn't have to worry about that!! And my husband and I shouldn't have to spend our evening reassuring him that he'll be ok. Especially when I don't even know that it's the truth.

So while I'm not sure if I'd want a complete gun ban yet, I'm definitely open to REAL solutions.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:03:27 PM
I'd like to see fairly strict regulation. I think outright banning goes too far, and clearly what we have now isn't working.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:03:58 PM

My little guy (see siggy pic) has had a series of "Possum Picnics" at school where he and his classmates hide in their cubbies and remain - I quote - "very quiet just in case a bad stranger comes to our school to hurt us".


That made my stomach drop. No child should have to worry about being safe at school





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That made my stomach drop. No child should have to worry about being safe at school


And what makes it worse (if it could be worse) is that we live in Delaware. I'd say we're in pretty much the safest area we can provide for our family aside from living in a bubble.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:14:46 PM

Strict regulation and my husband and I have talked about this quite a bit lately.

We think it's time for those who have guns and inadvertently let their children and adult children gain access, to be held accountable for what ever happens to the public.

You better damn well keep your guns locked up safely and get your kids mental health help or lose everything if something happens.
The parents should be held liable if their child takes a gun to school and does nothing more with it even.

Clip size needs to be regulated, owners need to do a better job of securing them and we need to have better mental health screening in order to obtain firearms. I'd also love to see schools given better funding to help screen and get help to those children who are bullied. Strict anti-bully programs also need to be put into place.

FTR we both own firearms, one of us has a conceal/carry and we also use them for hunting and skeet/trap shooting.

ITA with that^ and I'd also like to see a limit on the number of guns you own, one person doesn't need 10 assault rifles to go deer hunting. I also think that personal gun sales should have to be routed through a gun store or police station to insure that they are not selling to someone who has been previously banned from owning a gun, along with stopping the gun show loop holes. If a fee has to be added to the sale price of that gun for that background check then so be it.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:19:22 PM
Strict regulations and strict enforcement. I also feel that parents/gun owners should be held liable if their special snowflake/friend/relative/etc. gets ahold of their gun 'out of curiosity' and accidentally or purposely kills someone. For example, had Adam not killed his mother, I think she should have been held liable for his rampage because she was not a responsible gun owner, IMO...


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:22:49 PM
I'm a conservative, but I'd be ok with an outright ban if we could get rid of ALL guns which isn't going to happen.

I really don't know what the answers are. I do not like guns though.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:31:00 PM
I'm for strict regulation and enforcement. As liberal as I am, and as much as I hate guns, even I don't think an all out ban makes sense.


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Kristen, should it be anymore of a pain in the ass than owning a car?
Well, I'm not Kristen, but I suggest that owning a gun should be at least as much of a pain in the ass as owning and operating a car.

Cars have to be registered, and so should guns.

Anyone operating a car must prove that s/he is capable of operating it safely, and so should anyone "operating" a gun.

A car owner must carry insurance to pay for any damages caused by the negligent use of the car, and so should gun owners.

Cars must have certain safety equipment that keep passengers from being injured. Guns should have safety equipment that keep them from accidentally injuring someone--a working safety, trigger locks, etc. Cars must be inspected for safety on a regular basis in most states. Guns should be, too--that way those "illegal modifications" wouldn't be allowed to continue. It also puts the burden on the gun owner to continue to keep the gun in a condition that keeps it from being a hazard (i.e. it hasn't been "misplaced" or resold without being re-registered, it still has trigger locks, the safety works, etc.)

A licensed driver who abuses the driving privilege (i.e. reckless driving, drunk driving, etc.) can lose the license. Gun owners who behave recklessly should also lose their right to carry. Drunk and disorderly while in possession of a gun? One year suspension, even if you didn't pull the weapon. If you can't stay sober while carrying, you should lose the right to carry. That doesn't mean you lose the right to own the gun any more than the person who loses a license loses the right to own a car. You just can't carry it off your own property.

Licensed drivers who develop conditions that affect the ability to safely operate a car can be required to undergo testing to make sure they can still drive (i.e. poor eyesight, seizures, limited mobility, etc.). Gun owners who develop conditions that might have prevented them from getting a gun in the first place should face similar "retesting" or loss of privileges. So if a gun owner passed the background check at the time he bought a gun but has engaged in behavior since that would have caused him to fail, he should lose the gun. As with vehicles, this would require someone to be "reported"; I'm not suggesting that the government randomly pick people to get a new backgound check.

Licensed drivers and car owners must renew the license and registration periodically. These fees usually help pay for the "infrastructure and enforcement" that supports use of the vehicles. Gun owners should have to do this as well. It wouldn't necessarily have to be as often as the yearly vehicle registration, but there should be some way to confirm that the registration is up to date and that appropriate insurance is being carried by the gun owner.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:32:42 PM
Even if there wasn't a Constitutional problem, banning would lead to a black market..just like it did during prohibition and these days with drugs.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:35:13 PM
Regulation.

I think there should be background checks (required at gun dealerships, but currently circumvented here at gun shows), and mandatory gun eduction courses and training, and testing to make sure that they learned what they needed to.

We don't just let people buy a car and start driving it, they have to have instruction and pass written and driving exams in order to drive. And they have to repeat those tests when their license expires. Why would that be unreasonable for gun ownership?

I also think that all guns should be registered, just as cars are.

I also think that health care providers should be required to report to the DMV when they feel a patient is no longer physically (whether temporarily or permanently) able to safely drive, and should be required to report to whatever bureau that would keep track of gun ownership when they feel a patient is no longer mentally sound (whether temporarily or permanently) enough to possess a gun.


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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:36:59 PM
I favor caring for and treating the mentally ill. I think it is less the guns fault and more the person holding it. I also believe regulation is important. Living in Chicago with some of the toughest guns laws in the country and the highest murder rate- I don't think banning them will change anything.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:39:59 PM
For Texas, I agree with this almost completely. These are realistic points. Other states need to make their own regulations.


- I am in favor of the Federal, state, and local governments along with the mental health system ensuring that pertinent information is passed accordingly during background checks for gun purchases - juvenile records, felony records, misdemeanor records, and severe mental health diagnosis.

- I am in favor of having ALL gun purchasers go through a background check closing the gun show loophole.

- If there is ANY indication that a member of the family or a resident of the family home would have access to any firearms, something would need to be done to insure that person could not access the weapon. I don't know how to make this happen without violating a person's right to privacy, but this is something that must be addressed considering recent events.
I'm for locking up weapons and for removal of firearms from a home where a felon resides. This is already pretty much the law in Texas, btw.

In order to convict a felon for possession of a firearm in this state, the Texas Fourteenth Court of Appeals in Powell v. State held the prosecution must first that the defendant is a convicted felon who, within five years of his release from prison or community supervision, knowingly and voluntarily possessed a firearm. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in Brown v. State said the State may fulfill this burden, either with direct or circumstantial evidence, by establishing an affirmative link between the defendant and the firearm. The Powell court said the following circumstantial evidence may include but is not limited to factors such as the firearm was (1) in a vehicle driven by the defendant, (2) in a place owned by the defendant, (3) conveniently accessible to the defendant, (4) in plain view or (5) found in an enclosed space.


- I am in favor of all gun purchasers go through safety training and range testing for the type of weapon they want to purchase in order to show proficiency in using it. Completely agree with training.

- I am in favor of those citizens who want to carry a concealed weapon be able to do so after training and range qualification of 80%. Re-certification happens every year or every other year for citizens. This qualification percentage is higher than most LEO agencies (LEOs have a 70% proficiency).

- I am still on the fence about private gun sales. They need some type of background check/controls to ensure they do not fall into the wrong hands. I do not have any suggestions right now on how to make that happen.

- I am in favor of the federal government clearly defining what an assault weapon is based on mechanics - not cosmetics.

- Get rid of No Gun Zones for the time being. The last few highly visible public shootings have all happened in NGZ areas.
I think No Gun Zones are advertising safe-to-shoot zones for those who are bent on creating a tally of victims. I find the signs to give parents especially an extremely false sense of security and they have bothered me since the very first sign I saw in the 1990's. Not surprisingly, they have become places of preference.

- I am in favor that those who want to legislate guns must sit through a two day course than includes instruction on how the gun works, taking it apart, cleaning it, putting it back together, and shooting it. If you are going to legislate it, you need to understand how it operates. Here here!

- Start tracking the number of reports when private citizens use a gun to stop a crime from being committed. Right now this information is not tracked by any agency. LEOs do not track this information because a crime was not committed. We can't have good gun control if we don't have a clear understanding of what benefit they are providing.

What should NOT be limited:
- Magazines and the number of rounds they hold
- Ammunition purchases
- Number of guns owned
- Telling people how they should store their guns

This is not an inclusive list.


I don't know how to change what's required for private gun sales either.

Limiting the number of rounds allowed is completely misleading. Ammo comes in boxes of multiple rounds, and it is common to go through quite a lot of ammo target shooting for practice. I don't know how that could be changed.








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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:41:22 PM
I am a Republican, and very conservative when it comes to taxes and spending. I would love to say a ban if we could get guns away from everyone. I know that isn't possible though.

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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:49:19 PM

Lauren, I think that is just the beginning. Restricted firearms are also registered and I know that there are laws concerning where ammunition is stored, etc.

And that's the most I've learned about gun laws here ever.


Jo, the gun registry was scrapped. You do not need to register your firearms. A lot of people did not register them. A lot of the guns that did get registered were only because of private sale.

There are laws about storing guns and ammunition. Ammo stored separately from guns. Don't ask me the rest off hand. I think guns have to be locked away. I don't own an FAC, hubby is the hunter.
I really should get it though.

Oh, and the restricted license is for the ability to own hand guns. I do know people that own them and shoot them in ranges.
We aren't allowed to carry concealed handguns.

I'm very comfortable with our laws here.

There are a LOT of guns here in Canada, but most people see guns as a utilitarian purpose, not a "I need it for protection from other people" purpose. That's coming from the prairies, the conservative west. Mind you, a few years ago, some guy shot some other guy in the leg that was stealing his quad, so there is a rare exception.


Well Peas, I believe this thread has gone Thrusday.
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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:57:04 PM
I think there needs to be federal guidelines across the board for gun ownership. Background checks for every single gun sale, gun education for every owner, I would love registration as well of all guns, some sory of mental background/evaluation. I want it to be harder to get a concealed carry license and again federally ruled. No open carry. That is it for now.

See, even I am not for a ban. Very few are here it seems.



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Posted: 1/22/2013 3:58:45 PM
I'm heartened to see that, Scrappower.

Experience has shown that outright bans do little other than to make criminals rich.





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Posted: 1/22/2013 4:01:24 PM
Most of the thing brought up here are already in place here in MA. The only thing I don't like here is that there is too much power given to city police chiefs. And there is no rhyme or reason. One city can say yes while another can say no. In fact my DH is having this problem, our city chief of police said my DH would probably be turned down here (he had a DUI when he was 17, he's 45 now). My DH is the city's locksmith and has many of the keys to the police station, yet our chief is a no guns no way guy so he uses any excuse to say no. We already know this wont be an issue if we go to the next town over
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