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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:31:00 PM
We have two cats (I refer to them as my "babies". They're both rescue kitties. One is 3.5 years old and the other is 2.5 years old. They're pretty great kitties. They get along as though they're siblings. They rarely do damage and they're loving, loyal and sweet... except for one recent problem:

We changed our brand of litter ONE TIME and one of the cats was making a habit of leaving us a little "present" right outside of the litterbox. We didn't know if they were kicking it out of the box or what was actually going on. We promptly switched litter brands back to the old one, cleaned out their box, etc....... I scrubbed the floor and sprayed Lysol, hoping they wouldn't get used to some scent there on the floor and want to do it again. Well, one of them is STILL doing it, two months later!!!!!! I caught her doing it--I actually caught her patting the floor as though she was burying it. Why the heck would she do that??????? Their litterbox is always clean--I scoop it at least 2 times a day. Any advice????









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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:35:04 PM
The box too small?

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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:35:05 PM
The box too small?

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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:36:29 PM
Nope, it's the biggest box and the kitties are on the small side. It has enough litter in it and it's clean. I don't know if my girl kitty is mad or if there's something wrong with her.









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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:39:46 PM
Put aluminum foil over the spot?

We had a litter issue like that, but it resolved when we switched back to Tidy Cats.




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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:46:28 PM
Ahh, good idea, Pridemom. I'll try that! Thanks.









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Posted: 1/26/2013 1:57:03 PM
There should be one littler box for each cat.. Of course I did that but they only used one! lol
I will say the Lysol is what made my cat mad though. He wouldn't go back in the box until I scrubbed the floor with water and vinegar a few times. In my case I don't think it was related but I will tell you I found out soon after that my cat has asthma.

Hmmm. I think I gave you two possible answers then shot them down myself.. oh well, I hope you find and answer soon. I know it is frustrating.


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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:33:50 PM
Jan, thanks. I didn't try the vinegar on the floor. I won't use Lysol anymore though, just in case they have asthma! Thanks for the tips.









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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:39:36 PM
are they regular-height boxes with an open top?? I hsve two cats (and two boxes) and I have to use the taller-sided boxes, with lids on. Without the lids, one of my cats squats so close to the edge of the box that the pee sometimes dribbles over the edge onto the floor.

In addition to vinegar, there's a product for pet accidents called Nature's Miracle that's good for taking out pet smells, too.






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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:43:11 PM
Jennifer: Nope, it's the tall one with a cover. I guess we should be getting an additional box now that they're getting bigger/older (they're still only 8 & 9 lbs). It's not pee that she's doing outside the box--it's poo. I was dismayed when I caught her trying to dig the ground around it, as tho she lost her mind.









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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:46:51 PM
Cats are just assholes! I have my Front door blocked by a litter box because my li'l a-hole decided he wanted to pee by the front door. I tried the tinfoil too, and being true to his new name (li'l a-hole) he peed on the tinfoil. Good luck! I have met very few people who have successfully corrected this type of behavior.

ETA: natures miracle doesn't work. The best thing that I found is Anti-icky poo. I got it off Amazon. The Feliway spray doesn't work either! The feliway collar seemed to work for my cat, but it's only good for a month before they go back to old habits. Again, good luck.



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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:52:08 PM
Crimson- I tried the natures Miracle too but he avoided the entire area after. I read it helps to discourage them from "going" there again. I don't know if that means there is something I attractive to them or just that it completely gets the smell out. Can you tell me?


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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:54:12 PM
scorPEAo: That's what I'm thinking too--that it's a behaviorial thing too. I'm trying to figure it out. Usually they're very well behaved and they get enough activity and attention, but our other kitty DEMANDS much more cuddle time. He makes the rules with her and lets her know when she's "allowed" to even come into our bedroom. Maybe she's lashing out.










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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:55:43 PM
Aww cats are a-holes but I love them all! Lol I was told the trick is to find and remove the reason for the behavior. My cat and I are completely alike when it comes to that as the offensive thing isn't always visible to anyone else!


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Posted: 1/26/2013 2:56:59 PM
Jan: That's what I'm looking for also--to get the smell completely out, so that she won't do it again out of habit. I can't have that room or any portion of it blocked off, as their litter is in there and their food is also in that room, but I need to get any scent of her poo out from the floor area so she doesn't do it again. What product would help??









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Posted: 1/26/2013 3:21:01 PM
I had a cat that would not do scoop litter.

My mother had a cat that would not share a box.



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Posted: 1/26/2013 4:42:43 PM
You need to soak with an enzyme cleaner like Natures Miracle. The problem I had is he didn't want to go in the area AT ALL. I live in a very small 1 bedroom apartment so the only place I have (I hate the idea of the litter box in the bathroom) is one of the closets in my bedroom. Luckily it is recessed and I was able to have the carppet laid away from the door by about 2 feet and still have it look good. He would go on the tile and not on the carpet luckily bit when I used the N.M. he started using the carpet and not going anywhere near the tile. I cleaned with the vinegar and hot water (I thought a steam mop would be good for back there) and he was okay again.
I'm sorry to say I think you need to try a few things. Maybe Nartures Miricle to get the enzymes to work then vinegar like I did? Two things that made litter much easier for me was change his food (crap in crap out) so I switched to Pet Fresh. it is chilled with no preservatives so no stinky poop any more and out put is smaller because his body uses more of it.
Also I got the Breeze system littler box. It uses larger pellets and pee pads you toss every few days. It is easier for me to keep clean so that makes him happy. I know my way won't work for everyone but it did for me. Trial and error.


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Posted: 1/26/2013 8:40:55 PM
writermom: If they didn't use scoop litter, then what did they use?

Jan: Luckily I sectioned off 1/2 of our laundry room (it's a pretty big room for a 2 bedroom apartment!) and their litter and food stuff are all in there, so it's nice. The room is tiled and she's been just "going" on the tile floor there. I cleaned and used my steam mop a few times but she's continuing to do that once a night. I swear, it's gotta be b/c she's mad that her brother blocks her from spending time with us! I'm gonna try to spend more time with her and see if that works. Thanks for the advice!!









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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:27:40 PM
I would get two litter boxes. You can use vinegar to clean the area where the cat went. Where are your litter boxes? I have mine tucked away in a closet. Maybe they don't like where the box is?


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Posted: 1/26/2013 10:47:00 PM
I bet it is that she's pissed at you! Cats are little assholes...I cats though.



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Have you tried moving the litter box to another area? Then she won't have a habit of going just outside the box cause it is in a new area. If that works you could wait a month or two and then return the box to its original place.

I have two BIG cats as in one is around 15 lbs and the other 12 pounds and they share the litter box. I did not know they were supposed to have one each.

We do not use scoop litter, but litter that has to be completely changed out every week. They are fine with that. (My daughter says I am mean making them use the same litter for a week without scooping. But the litter dries their turds out so much that it doesn't take long to be kind of dessicated and non smelly at all.)

Anyway, whenever I move their litter box, or we have gone visiting with them, they don't have any trouble finding it or remembering where it is.

I would not jump to the conclusion that she is trying to get back at you for some reason. to me, the fact that she is trying to "cover" her turds means she is wanting still to hide it and not make a "statement" with it.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 1:15:00 AM
I've read that if a cat has a bad experience, like a painful BM, in a litterbox and then they either accidentally or intentionally have a BM outside the box and it's not painful they start associating the litterbox with pain and the floor/wherever with no pain... They suggested using a really shallow, big litterbox, empty, and placing it where the cat was going - so next to the litterbox (keep that set up as normal)... If the cat uses that okay a few times then place a piece of newspaper in it, if that goes okay then a sprinkle of litter on top, then add more etc until it's the same as the normal litterbox... Just gradual changes until it's 'normal'... They had a whole part about moving the litterboxes too but if she's already doing it so close you probably won't need that... Maybe that sort of thing will help with this too...

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:44:31 AM
You've got some good advice here already but I wanted to add maybe trying the litter with attractant in it for a while would help.

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Our older cat (now deceased) pooped beside the box rather than in it for the last five years of her life. We tried everything that has been suggested here and then some. The vet said it was behavioral and unlikely to change, and she was right. I came home from work every day for five years and picked up the poop off the floor. Damn cat.

We miss her, though. She was a snugglebug.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:21:46 AM
Thanks, Peas! I'm always amazed at the information Peas have. This is the BEST place to ask questions and have so many people who have already gone thru something similar.

I tried spending more one-on-one time with her yesterday, and she didn't to the poo thing. I'm not sure if it's a coincidence. I'll see what happens from here. Cats are a little quirky, but I always thought that ours reminded me much more of dogs (except for this!). I'll try ALL of the alternate ideas if she does it again today! Thanks!!









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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:19:20 PM

writermom: If they didn't use scoop litter, then what did they use?


Clay litter. I use the kind where the whole box is dumped out and replaced with fresh litter.

I hate scoop litter. I prefer a complete clean out and have it down to maybe 3 minutes tops.

I use a large lidded box. Pop off the top, lift entire thing into an open trash bag, dump, quickly seal bag, spray box with Lysol, line with one clean section of newsprint (optional) and dump in a fresh batch of litter (Tidy Cat is preferred

We've had two cats sneezy and congested and switching to clay from clumping/scoop really helped.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 12:25:00 PM
are you sure it's not a medical problem?


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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:26:44 PM
Carolyn: Pretty sure it's not medical thusfar. Everything else is FINE with her. But if it keeps up and I can't find a solution, or if she's acting the slightest bit "off", I'd run to a vet. Thanks!

The clay litter sounds do-able, but I'm wondering about the stink. I like to clean it as soon as I know they went in there!









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Posted: 1/27/2013 2:56:46 PM
Check out the box I use. The Breeze. I think it is Tidy Cat. It uses big coley pellets, 99% dust free. I scoop the poop out daily and every few days change the pee pad. Most people have no idea I have a cat. No smell and he is a fraudulent cat so hides under the quilt when someone is here. Not sure why he doesn't go somewhere else.. You see a 15lb lump in my bed when he's there! Lol


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Posted: 1/27/2013 4:01:25 PM
I'll check it out. Thanks. That would probably help me too, as I have asthma & COPD and I wear a mask when I scoop or change the litter.

That's adorable about the cat hiding. They're too cute, aren't they? I swear, my black kitty is so human-like, that it's scary!! He's like a baby. He demands so much of my attention and he's so loving. I adore them.









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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:10:49 PM
Re: clay litter and smell I pride myself on having a "I had no idea you had a cat" home. I change the litter every few days.

The one I like best is a scented litter and as strange as this sounds I like how it smells when I change the box.

Yesterday leaving our home one of DD's friends told me my house smelled so good



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:28:13 PM

Cats are just assholes! I have my Front door blocked by a litter box because my li'l a-hole decided he wanted to pee by the front door. I tried the tinfoil too, and being true to his new name (li'l a-hole) he peed on the tinfoil. Good luck! I have met very few people who have successfully corrected this type of behavior.



I once saw an episode of a cat program where the owners were dealing with something very similar. Turned out that another male cat had sprayed outside the door and the indoor cat was trying to mark his territory. The owners had no idea another cat had been on their porch but since a cat's nose is sooo much more sensitive than ours he could smell it (this surprised me because it's a pretty distinctive smell but it took a black light to detect the problem). Once they cleaned their porch really well he stopped peeing on the floor inside. Might be worth a try if it means you can get rid of the litter box at the front door.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:37:42 PM
Yeah, I think mine started because of a stray cat. The offending stray has been rehomed, but I'm terrified to move the litter box. I did start a few weeks ago slowly moving the box away from the door. It's no longer blocking the door, but it's still at the front door. The good news is my cat hasn't gone outside the box yet. Fingers crossed!



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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:32:42 PM
Ours can't be due to a stray cat. Our cats are indoor kitties and the porch is screened in. BUT, we both noticed a distinct odor on the female cat in question at different times. Could it be that a female cat could spray?? I don't even have any idea. She certainly has cause to be pissed off every now and then, with her brother making the rules!








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