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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:38:52 PM
OMG!!!! I did NOT see that one coming!!!!!



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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:42:11 PM
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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:43:45 PM
I knew, but I'm still typing through big crocodile tears.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:43:48 PM
I knew because I've already seen the episode...but it didn't stop the tears...


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:45:08 PM
Not on here yet.(West coast) Now I'm really intrigued as to what happened this week.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:45:57 PM
WHOA. Shit just got real up in the Abbey.


I knew, but I'm still typing through big crocodile tears.


Psst... The term "crocodile tears" refers to fake crying...

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:49:19 PM
I kind of hate this episode


(and I agree, crocodile tears = fake crying)




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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:50:29 PM
I'm all verklempt even though I saw this episode on the web and then I almost burst out laughing reading SockMonkey's post.

Bad SockMonkey!





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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:54:30 PM
Stupid stupid stupid show.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:54:46 PM
I have tears in my eyes and I am furious at the doctors who both stood there and did nothing!







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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:57:09 PM
Knew it was coming but I was still riveted to the tv.....

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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:57:41 PM
My husband I are upset. I didn't see that coming. I'm going to have a hard time sleeping tonight.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 8:58:23 PM

I have tears in my eyes and I am furious at the doctors who both stood there and did nothing!


Really, there wasn't anything to be done at that point. The medical expertise and access to care at that time would have made it impossible to save her at that point. There was no life flight in the 1920s English countryside!

Cora is PISSED.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:01:42 PM
I knew that the character was leaving this season so I figured but it was still really sad. I'd say life if going to be pretty tough on Lord Grantham in the future--Cora will never forgive him.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:04:22 PM
I'm pissed at Lord Grantham too. Poor Tom. What is going to happen to him?


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:09:27 PM
Wow. So hoped it for a different outcome! waaaaaahhhhh



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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:21:20 PM
Lord Grantham is living in a different era and everything tonight made that clear. He's not managing his estate and he forced his management on his family to the worst end. Cora is right. Freeze him out. Either move up to the 20th century or move in with Granny!

And honest to goodness gracious, that Bates thing is just getting more and more stupid.

On the whole, we should have Called the Midwife!


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:21:21 PM
With all the super uptight Ps on here..I'd post spoilers in your header...even though no one has actually SAID what happened...I mean..you can sort of get the drift...






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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:25:35 PM
I'm tired of the Bates in jail storyline. Let him out!


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:28:51 PM
Wow. What an episode. I had a feeling that something like that was going to happen.

My prediction for the next few episodes....Mary and Matthew are drifting apart, and he has been so kind to Edith and interested in her writing. I think the writing is on the wall.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:29:33 PM
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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:33:29 PM
OMG! I did, and I just bawled. Did not see it coming.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 9:58:06 PM

My prediction for the next few episodes....Mary and Matthew are drifting apart, and he has been so kind to Edith and interested in her writing. I think the writing is on the wall.

I've seen them all and...not even close!

I didn't want it to happen, but as soon as she mentioned the headache I knew it was going to.

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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:02:19 PM
I watched this season online and I was when this happened!
I think I saw season 3 DVD on sale at Target this week for $25.



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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:04:18 PM
That's why I try to avoid spoilers. Wasn't expecting that! Although my DH is trying to convince me to buy the remaining episodes I love the week long anticipation. The season is so short anyhow I want to stretch out the deliciousness of it all!

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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:21:14 PM
I was totally shocked. I had a feeling the other doctor was right but didn't think they'd actually kill her off.

I think they all deserve some kind of award for the death scene, though. That was one of the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever seen on a screen. And then in the servants' hall when they got the news ... their faces. Just heartbreaking.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:22:41 PM
Horrible and amazing!!


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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:26:50 PM
Thanks, pjaye! I'm glad to be wrong.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:42:45 PM
I know what happens with Matthew and Mary. I accidentally saw it at the Downton Abbey wiki. Warning-if you look at it, it is full of spoilers.

As for tonight's episode, I didn't not expect that but I had a feeling Dr. Clarkson was right.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 10:47:06 PM
I knew it was coming and still cried like I lost someone I knew.

And this...

I think they all deserve some kind of award for the death scene, though. That was one of the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever seen on a screen. And then in the servants' hall when they got the news ... their faces. Just heartbreaking.


The entire scene was heart wrenching. The right emotions out of every character. I honestly don't know that it could have been done better. And this may sound morbid, but it was nice to see someone die who doesn't look all pink and pretty. I've worked in medicine for 22 years and it's nice to see them get it right. Not many times that happens. Sorry, just one of my pet peeves.


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Posted: 1/27/2013 11:04:43 PM
Interesting that the two physicians espoused the "at the time" two differing views on the treatment.

Found this (for all those that want the background details)

Treatment

At the end of the 19th century and into the beginning of the 20th century, two very diverse approaches were used in the treatment of eclampsia. According to Chesley, physicians in Germany and the Netherlands advocated for aggressive management (e.g., prompt abdominal or vaginal cesarean section), but the associated maternal mortality rates were extremely high. As a result, a more conservative management gained popularity and was widely used up until the 1930's (Chesley, 1978; Chesley, 1984). Physician pioneers of this conservative method included Tweedy of Dublin and Stroganoff of Russia (Speert, 1958).

Tweedy's rationale for conservative management (as cited in Speert, 1958) was rooted in the belief that hastening of labor and delivery increased the occurrence of convulsions through the induction of reflex stimulation. Physicians were to abstain from vaginal examinations, abdominal palpation, massage of the kidneys, cold blasts of air, and the dilatation of the cervix in an effort to mitigate the risk of reflex stimulation. In contrast, his management plan revolved around patient sedation and included large doses of morphine. However, if a patient went into labor, he believed that the application of forceps was permissible given that the os would safely permit their application (Speert).

Because convulsions disrupted the functions of the heart, lungs, kidneys, and liver, Stroganoff'd main objective was to eliminate convulsions (Speert, 1958). He treated the eclampsia, ignored the pregnancy, and waited for natural onset of labor. All examinations and treatments were performed under light anesthesia and sensory stimuli were reduced by keeping the patient's room dark and quiet (Chesley, 1984). Morphine and chloral hydrate were administered to keep patients sedated and to decrease frequency of convulsions. To restore respiratory function, oxygen was administered. To restore cardiac function, digitalis was administered if the pulse was found to be rapid and weak after a seizure (Chesley, 1984; Speert). Labor was to progress naturally and once a woman's cervix had dilated to six centimeters, the membranes were artificially ruptured (Chesley, 1984).

In addition to the diverse approaches to manage preeclampsia-eclampsia in the 20th century, the use of magnesium sulfate was introduced. Although a mainstay of current treatment, it was not until 1906 that Horn first used magnesium sulfate to manage preeclampsia-eclampsia (Chesley, 1984). During the 1920's the parenteral use of magnesium sulfate in the treatment of preeclampsia-eclampsia was popularized by Lazard and Dorsett (Chesley, 1984), for Dr. Lazard's work (as cited in Gabbe, 1996) demonstrated that treatment with intravenous magnesium sulfate was both efficacious and safe.

Since the 1960's few alterations have been made in the management of preeclampsia. Such consistency can be observed by studying the obstetrical textbooks used to educate students within the healthcare fields. Routine prenatal care (e.g., routine blood pressure measurement, urinalysis, maternal weight) remained a hallmark surveillance method since early signs and symptoms of preeclampsia may not be readily recognized by pregnant women. Once diagnosed with preeclampsia, management consistently included hospitalization, frequent blood pressure measurement and weighing, urinalysis, bed rest, fetal surveillance, and assessment of maternal headache, blurry vision, and epigastric pain. With fulminating preeclampsia or the development of eclampsia, magnesium sulfate and antihypertensives were administered over the later part of the 20th century to prophylactically prevent or manage convulsions and acute hypertension, respectively. Ultimately, the decision to proceed with a vaginal delivery or cesarean section depended on a myriad of factors, including gestational age, condition of the cervix, and maternal and fetal condition (Eastman & Hellman, 1966; Hibbard, 1988; Pritchard & MacDonald, 1976).
From NIH Public Access, A Historical Overview of Preeclampsia-Eclampsia.


It is not really true that once seizures started there was nothing left to do... current treatments which include the use of magnesium sulfate STARTED in the early 1920s. But back in 1920, before the use of magnesium sulfate was publicized, many women died in or shortly after childbirth. Two of my Great-grandmothers did, when my grandparents were small children.



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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:31:54 AM
Very surprised! I cried! Lady Grantham was perfect! So very well done! The acting was just brilliant & the scene was staged wonderfully with them all in the room, except for Granny.
So happy that the cast won the ensemble SAG award this evening - very well deserved!

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Posted: 1/28/2013 12:54:16 AM
That was very sad.
I hope the baby is ok.
I agree - well acted, and congrats on the SAG award.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:04:10 AM

I have tears in my eyes and I am furious at the doctors who both stood there and did nothing!

What, you expected them to employ medical procedures that hadn't been invented yet??


. With all the super uptight Ps on here..I'd post spoilers in your header...even though no one has actually SAID what happened...I mean..you can sort of get the drift...

Super uptight?
Don't worry, I learned my lesson last week and waited till after I watched to open any threads.


I think I saw season 3 DVD on sale at Target this week for $25.

Probably not. It goes on sale this Tuesday and the price is (EDITED: my apologies, I was wrong about the price ... amazon.com is charging $25 for DVD, $30 for blu-ray). It's still not supposed to be available until Tuesday.

I'll be watching the rest of the season on Tuesday night and then I don't care what kind of spoilers you guys post.


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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:04:59 AM
I'm also wondering why Mary has to be so bitchy with Edith. It seems that Edith wants to be close/move on but Mary shuts her down...repeatedly. Why?


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Posted: 1/28/2013 2:11:10 AM
Jili I don't think you will be very happy with the outcome. Your way sounds much better!


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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:00:43 AM
Nope Target has the 3rd season DVD for $25, $29 for BlueRay starting Tuesday. It's in their weekly ad. Best Buy has it for $29 with $5 off if you bring in a used movie. My DH is insisting we buy it but the weekly wait is good. Builds up scenarios in my mind.

Thanks for the back story on the medical field. Interesting. Still think the docs should have at least tried to do something since often when someone is dying that is what medical people have to do to help the family--let them think they did everything.

The whole "must be stoic" thing is grating on my nerves. Fall apart for goodness sake! Really loved Granny just about losing it as she was walking into the library, saw her shaking, thought she was going to fall--then the veil goes over her hat and her "image face" appears. LOVE the acting on this show, can't say that enough.

Even felt sorry for Thomas at least he cried openly.

Haven't mentioned the sneaky way Ms O'Brien is getting back at Thomas. Totally ROFL with that smirk she had. Do feel bad for James though being stuck in the middle of it.

Also loved the scene in the kitchen with Ms Patmore watching the new footman fix the sauce. Would be fun to see him take over cooking. Daisy sure won't like that!

As for Edith and Mary, yes Mary is quite the hateful one but I do like her honesty. Lots of turmoil in the past with Edith, doubt it'll change over night.

Thinking the lack of baby is what is drifting Mary and Matthew apart and for the comment someone made about Matthew and Edith--hmmm, interesting. Could be that Mary and Edith start getting closer then they have another rift (if you know for sure don't say anything, I'd rather speculate).



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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:09:37 AM
Get this one. We were having dinner last night with some friends from England and of course were talking about the show. I said that we were on Season 3, Episode 3 and I needed to get home to watch. English friend, while discussing the show with me, completely spoiled the events that happened last night! Ack! I just about died! He was horrified, of course, didn't realize that I hadn't seen it yet (got his episodes mixed up). So, last night I spent an evening with a bunch of Englishmen and a spoiled show. It was sad, but not as shocking as it would have been.

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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:11:28 AM

I think they all deserve some kind of award for the death scene, though. That was one of the most heartbreaking scenes I've ever seen on a screen. And then in the servants' hall when they got the news ... their faces. Just heartbreaking.


So true. They all looked so helpless. Very well done.

And the scene between Mary and Edith the next morning saying goodbye to Sybil-- Mary never ceases to amaze me with her bluntness. OMG!


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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:13:51 AM
did not see it coming..


Why cant Lady Mary bury the ax with Edith already and be a grown up sister?


I don't know what shocked me more, Sybil's demise or Mary's brutal response to Edith at that particular moment..!! wow.. talk about blunt!!..

Free Bates already...


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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:16:49 AM
I already saw it and I too, cried again. Heartbreaking!

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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:39:47 AM
As I reached for the tissues, I told DH the actors were really good and then big ol' tears. And then all over again when everyone downstairs found out.

It annoyed me that they kept cutting to the prison to scenes with Bates in the middle of it all. And I really like Bates.



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Posted: 1/28/2013 6:56:43 AM
No, did not see that coming AT ALL! Wow, that was so sad. I about lost it. Very well done on the part of the actors.

The Bates thing is driving me a little batty, get it over with already. My question is what is up with the guys in the prison? Wouldn't they want to get him out of there so they can go on with their business?

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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:42:25 AM
**THIS POST INCLUDES SPOILERS SO IF YOU HAVEN'T YET WATCHED EPISODE 3, PLEASE DON'T READ ANY FURTHER**




When the argument ensued between the doctors about Sybill's condition and continued with the family, I suspected that Dr. Clarkson was right. But I still didn't expect it would go as far as it did. I think the reaction of the downstairs staff got to me more than the family's reaction... I don't know why. Maybe it's because they were all so fond of her and she had been so kind to so many of them. It especially got to me when Mrs. Patmore recounted the time during the war when Sybill was anxious to learn to cook but didn't do a very good job of it. I will definitely miss her character on the show.

Instead of finding the Bates story line intriguing, I find myself getting impatient with it. I suppose they had to pair Bates with probably the most vindictive con in the prison to add drama to the series, but I really wish they would get past all this and bring him back to Downton. I have a feeling Lord Grantham is going to need a sympathetic ear and someone to lean on in the upcoming episodes.

Because they lost their sister, I hope Mary and Edith get closer. I'm to the point where I'd like to see them supporting each other... I also get the feeling that Matthew is anxious to start a family but Mary is not. That will be the catalyst to rock their marriage boat but I hope that Edith isn't involved in it at all, as was suggested above. Edith needs something solid and sure and I'm hoping the newspaper column provides that for her. Her character has been on the back burner long enough.

Does anyone know how many more episodes there are until the season ends? I will hate to see it end as it will be difficult to wait another year for the next season.



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Posted: 1/28/2013 7:56:12 AM
"I didn't want it to happen, but as soon as she mentioned the headache I knew it was going to."

I did, too. They did a good job with getting the symptoms in there. I had preeclampsia, so dh and I were schooled on things to watch for.




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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:08:17 AM
POTENTIAL SPOILER BELOW!









Having suffered pre-eclampsia with both my pregnancies, this episode reminded me once again how damn lucky I was to survive and have two healthy children when all was said and done.

Brilliant writing, amazing acting, superb episode. Bravo Downton Abbey!


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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:23:44 AM

The whole "must be stoic" thing is grating on my nerves. Fall apart for goodness sake!


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Posted: 1/28/2013 8:39:27 AM
The acting was just incredible. Maggie Smith outdid herself in that brief 30 second scene. I was in awe of how much emotion she could convey in just her body language.

I thought for sure that it was Mrs Hughes that died this season. Guess I was wrong!


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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:51:44 AM
I also knew as soon as she mentioned the headache, and I agree - amazing acting. I hope the baby is raised Catholic, that the wishes of Sybill are honored.


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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:54:26 AM
If you are all shocked by that episode, you have an even bigger shock coming in the Christmas special!! Just sayin', lol!


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