Man killed bus driver and holding 5 year old boy hostage in bunker
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:52:43 AM
Hostage situation in Dothan, AL?



This little boy is still being held hostage. I can't imagine what he and his parents, family, and friends are feeling. Praying that this man will release him unharmed.

Boy still being held this morning

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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:59:18 AM
I read this earlier and was wondering if it was a custody issue. Now, after reading this particular article, it just seems like another person with violent and mental health issues.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:01:19 AM
Has anybody heard if he knows the boy?


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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:05:04 AM
From what I've read, he does not know the boy. He just went on the bus and asked for two children between 6 and 8 and when the bus driver refused, he killed the bus driver and took this boy. This child is also autistic.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 8:06:01 AM
Oh no, I hope he doesn't hurt the little boy.



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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:23:29 AM
Oh, crud, I'm 15 miles from Dothan, less from Midland City and had no idea. Watched Law & Order all evening instead of catching the news.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:37:25 AM
It is absolutely heartbreaking. I heard about it this morning and cannot imagine what his family is going through!



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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:44:58 AM
OMG! One of my friends is from Dothan and this little boy is the nephew of one of her friends. I had no idea until I saw a FB update that she posted.

Many many prayers for Ethan.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:47:44 AM
Dale County schools are closed today. I sure hope for a good outcome. For the child. Not for the man who took him.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:48:18 AM
OMG. Prayers and good thoughts for the family of that slain driver and the poor scared little boy.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:34:26 AM
Schools here have been closed for the remainder of the week and our CofC has put out a request for food to be donated to the emergency crews who have been on the scene since mid day Tuesday.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:39:05 AM
I just don't understand why they don't tear gas the bunker, unless he has it booby trapped or something.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:42:48 AM
I've been wondering the same thing. He may have a metal door they can't easily penetrate.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:47:22 PM
I've been watching this story on the news and hoping for a good outcome for the little boy. I saw an interview with one of the students on the bus. She mentioned that the man was a nearby neighbor, and she also said that the bus driver was shot multiple times after resisting the demands of the shooter. I can't imagine how scary it was for those students.

After they aired that story they were talking about a 5yo girl that was walked right out of her school by her 'mom.' The woman was not her mom. They have this woman on video walking out with the girl. The girl was found the next day in a local park abused. Unbelievable! You just shake your head and wonder wth is wrong with people?


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Posted: 1/30/2013 12:57:37 PM
This is so awful.

Praying for the bus driver's family and Ethan. I have no idea how my youngest would have coped in that situation.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:27:21 PM
The situation was still ongoing at 6 pm.

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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:21:32 PM
He is still being held.

I'm about 2 hours from Midland City and everyone here is on high alert. Not because we are afraid of something happening, but because we just can't wait to hear that this sweet boy is released.

They were able to get his medication to him along with coloring books and crayons. The suspect also talked to the boy's parents and told them he has not been harmed.

I just can't imagine what the police and this boy's parents are going through. There are so many things they could do if there were not a child involved!



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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:22:12 PM
Prays for that boy and his family. How absolutely terrifying.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 9:23:27 PM
Insane - I hope they get Ethan back unharmed and soon. How horrible for that little boy. Did the man want something in return for the boy or just the boy. There are so many sick people out there.


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Posted: 1/30/2013 10:07:10 PM
I've been following this story since last night and was hoping and praying for the little boys safe return before now. I can't imagine how the parents were able to hold up while talking with the kidnapper.

I'm also wondering if this "bunker" is more than a storm shelter. The fact that he has a six month supply of good and patrols his property at night makes me wonder.

I don't mean to sound negative about people who stock pile, I have a close friend who has at least a 2 year supply of food and I'm not worried about her mental state at all, but she's also not patrolling around her house at 2 am!


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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:22:03 AM
At 7 am Thursday, nothing much has changed. He's allowed the boy to receive additional medication and talks with negotiators through a PVC pipe. It's been rumered that he told them he has both his house and the bunker wired. Which would answer the question of why nothing has been put down the pipe to render them unconsious.

He's been arrested multiple times in various Alabama jurisdictions and in Texas.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:36:41 AM
This story freaks me out. My son has autism, takes medication, and always sits by the driver. He has a very set routine at bedtime. I can't even imagine what his parents are going through.

I know statistically this is so rare but it hits a little close to home.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:53:23 AM
Has he said what he hopes to accompish?? Has he made any demands?
I can't imagine what those parents are going through.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:36:49 AM
He has a history of violance and is very paranoid. He threatened a neighbor and they filed charges that he was supposed to appear in court for yesterday, the 30th. He took the boy on Tuesday to use as leverage to get out of the court apperance.

To do this means his mind is not functioning right, in that kidnapping charges are worse than the threatening ones. If I were the neighbor I'd have immediately requested that my charges against him be dropped to get the child out safely.

He's a dangerous man if what I've heard about him is correct. I don't know how 'good' the negotiators are that are working with him.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:46:24 AM
So sad and prayers for the little boy. I have family near Dothan and go down to that area quite a bit.
I hope he is released quickly.
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Posted: 1/31/2013 9:55:51 AM
Those poor parents ... and the family of the bus driver.

It is ridiculous that we as a society have to stand by and wait
until people like this guy finally "snap". From all the reporting,
he has had a violent temper and done bizarre things.
And yet nothing can be done except to wait and watch him.
Now the driver, the boy, his family, all the other kids on the bus
are forever changed by this known whacko.



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Posted: 1/31/2013 10:45:03 PM
I can't believe he's still being held. Prayers of safety and peace for this precious child and prayers of peace and comfort for his parents and loved ones. Prayers of wisdom for the negotiators and law enforcement and for local parents who are having to answer hard questions from their children.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 6:39:15 AM
CNN 7:40EST Feb. 1....Still being held in bunker




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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:03:48 AM
Since Tuesday and the news coverage is spotty. Heaven forbid we cut into that endless coverage of the brothers coaching in the Superbowl or Ray Lewis.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 7:08:55 AM
Some link off the Google homepage said the old guy
talked to the bus driver on Monday. Then Tuesday am,
the bus driver gave the old guy eggs and marmalade
as a thank you for keeping the bus turnaround clear (?).
And the old guy gave the items to his neighbor saying
he didn't want them.
Then Tuesday afternoon

That poor little boy. He must be so confused and
uncomfortable.

I know they can't risk it, but this just sucks.

ETA LE probably feels the guy has access to tv/media,
so they don't want to give out much info.

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Some link off the Google homepage said the old guy
talked to the bus driver on Monday. Then Tuesday am,
the bus driver gave the old guy eggs and marmalade
as a thank you for keeping the bus turnaround clear (?).


For some reason that makes me sadder.

I watch CNN and local news. I find it sad that the bus driver, now deceased, is given little coverage. I understand that when a child is involved it's more "newsworthy" for some people but regardless an innocent person lost their life here already.

There was another school shooting yesterday and no breaking news?

I find it chilling that we seem to have so quickly reached a point where if it's not Sandy Hook-esque, the news isn't quite as "breaking" as it used to be?




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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:34:25 AM
I haven't commented but have been reading about this story every day. I seriously cannot believe he's still stuck in the bunker with the man who he watched murder his bus driver. This poor child.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:40:50 AM
No he does not know the boy.

I have been watching this story. My hearts break for the boy/family.

He is scum! I cannot believe he can do this to this poor baby!



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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:01:49 PM

old guy talked to the bus driver on Monday. Then Tuesday am,
the bus driver gave the old guy eggs and marmalade
as a thank you for keeping the bus turnaround clear (?).
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For some reason that makes me sadder.




Me too. For the eggs to be a gift, they must have been homegrown, and I would bet the marmalade was home-made too. So extra sad for a loving gift like that to be tossed aside and re-paid with being shot to death defending a child. That plus, let's face it, you only give home-made gifts like that to some one you like, as a gesture of that love.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:16:10 PM
I think as someone posted above that they are keeping a low profile for now. The bus driver is not forgotten at all. The school shooting in Atlanta is being covered here in the NY/NJ metropolitan area.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 12:23:18 PM
Horrifying. Prayers for the little boy and his family.



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I watch CNN and local news. I find it sad that the bus driver, now deceased, is given little coverage. I understand that when a child is involved it's more "newsworthy" for some people but regardless an innocent person lost their life here already.


ITA but not so different than this thread really. Over 40 posts and the bus driver is mentioned in what maybe 6? As someone who has a family member who drives a school bus I can tell you that there are few (if any) school bus drivers that would not risk their own lives to protect your children. Remember that the next time your bus is late and at Christmas time when you're out buying something for your hairdresser, don't forget the school bus driver that transports your most treasured possession safely every day. Off soapbox now.


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Posted: 2/1/2013 1:27:23 PM
I hope the negotiators can talk some sense into him and he lets that poor child go.

I am a rotten person, because I hope he lets that baby go and then shoots himself. Good riddance.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:39:48 PM
I don't think the bus driver has been forgotten at all. CNN has a very nice tribute story about him as a hero.
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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:40:26 PM

The bus driver is not forgotten at all.


Although not a competition, and certainly not one any of us would want to win, I knew Victoria Soto's name by the close of the day she was murdered, I watch CNN throughout the day every day and yet have not heard this man's name. I can find it, yes, but it has not been in the media with the hero label one would expect.

ETA: so glad to stand corrected with latest link posted of the CNN story from earlier today. He deserves to be remembered. May his family find comfort and peace.




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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:51:59 PM
I hope this dear little boy is rescued soon.


He is the definition of a hero to me.
Me too. Hero is a word that's way overused these days. Running around a football field or making mega millions playing soccer doesn't make you a hero.

Firefighters, ambo's, police, miltary and the everyday folks who do things like this driver are the real hero's of this world, and they mostly go unsung.



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Posted: 2/1/2013 2:58:26 PM
I keep praying for this little boy.

I wish they would get this SOAB!! Pisses me off!




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This thread is so interesting to me.

One of the things I've been really, really concerned about...

This guy was about to appear in court on charges that he shot at a neighbor. He shot into the neighbor's car because he didn't like the marks that the guy's car was leaving on a dirt road that they shared, that the guy (the shooter) maintained. The shooting happened with a 6mo old baby in the car.

He apparently killed another neighbor's dog with a lead pipe and bragged about it. He was a Vietnam vet who told people he had PTSD. He apparently had been digging that bunker in his yard for months. Now, I know -- hey, it's your yard, dude, do what you want. But seriously? It's not a wacky idea to build a bunker in your yard? It doesn't even warrant having someone screen him for, I don't know -- paranoid delusions?

WHY can't we do something to keep guns out of the hands of people like this? The man should never have had a gun. And, for GOD'S SAKE, a new and better understanding of the COSTS TO OUR SOCIETY of UNTREATED MENTAL ILLNESS is absolutely necessary. Adam Lanza needed help and didn't get it, either. (Again -- not saying Lanza was mentally ill -- it's that we do not have an understanding of how people's minds work, and it is SO EASY to overlook them and ignore their needs.)


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Readsomething I agree with you in hindsight but the problem is that if it was too easy to commit people it would be abused by too many to gain custodial or financial gain. Basically our own untrustworthy human nature works against us.

I do feel animal cruelty should be taken more seriously. It's often the first step in increasingly antisocial behavior - as we see here



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I know there are issues surrounding it. But dang -- there are too many cases where, if anyone HAD acted on something SO OBVIOUS -- building a bunker in your yard? beating an animal to death? shooting at a neighbor? -- the violence could be stopped.

We're TOO cautious, IMO. "Ohhhhh, he's just a little WEIRD," we say. Meanwhile, if we ask ourselves: Would it frighten me to be alone with this person? and we say HELL YEAH I'D BE SCARED (and we only say it to ourselves) ... that's a serious problem.

I honestly thought Sandy Hook would be the case that put a new spotlight on things like this. But now I'm not so sure. It's frustrating as hell. Mental illness is, in so many cases, TREATABLE. And one of the symptoms is that often, a person who is mentally ill is CONVINCED THEY ARE NOT. (Most cancer patients realize they have cancer, you know?) So mental illness is treated just like physical illness -- the person is allowed to have a choice. I think that that is not cool, when the person is out in society, having delusions, has access to weapons ...



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So mental illness is treated just like physical illness -- the person is allowed to have a choice. I think that that is not cool, when the person is out in society ..


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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:23:46 PM
He did beat the dog to death with a lead pipe but since animal cruelty laws are so soft he wasn't convicted for anything regarding that act. Personally I think he should have been beaten to death with a lead pipe for what he did.

Building a shelter on your own property is legal and should stay legal in my opinion, but I understand what you are saying about red flags.

I wholeheartedly agree with you about keeping guns out of the hands of people like this man. A good step would be making a background check mandatory for every gun purchase.

I disagree with you about mental illness. Mentally ill people have rights and one of them is to take their medication or not, unless they are in a Mental Hospital where they do have to take it. Do we want a government that forces people to take medication?

I think a better solution would be to make more resources and funding available for mental health. This man should have been treated for his PTSD years ago. Maybe he was. Obviously though it wasn't treated well enough. If he had been treated for the PTSD and had ongoing mental health treatment as needed, hopefully it would have prevented this tragedy. If his name had been on a national data base because of his mental illness and we had background checks on all gun purchases he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun in the first place.

Between changing gun control laws (background checks) and vastly increasing our mental health resources in this country I think we would see less of these horribly, violent acts.

After Sandy Hook one of the propositions was to take the stigma out of mental illness. All I've read since then though is the opposite. People want to round up the mentally ill and throw away the key.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:09:13 PM
All I can say is that this is so sad. I pray that the young child is released soon. The man who kidnapped him sounds like he has a whole lot of problems.

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Posted: 2/2/2013 7:47:19 AM
Clint Van Zandt (sp) on NBC is being very reserved about this.
He usually speaks quite frankly about criminals, but he has been
all "it was a mistake, everyone makes mistakes" and basically talking
TO Dykes (sp).

I think LE has Clint helping, because they figure the guy gets the basic
tv channels in the bunker.

They need to get this boy out
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