Is this really "doing my kid's homework"?

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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:45:45 PM
My twins had to write an autobiography of an inanimate object for a school project. My son opted to do his alone, my daughter paired herself up with a friend from her class. The teacher's description was that he was tired of the children's books available for him to read to his 3 yr old at home so he wants something with pictures, preferred to be drawings, as well as easy to understand text explaining how something was conceived, created, used, then recycled.

My daughter and her friend worked on the project at our house for 4 hours yesterday. Lots of drawing, coloring, cutting and pasting. My son worked about 3 hours, and used mostly computer located images and cut and pasted in to a word document. At the end of the day, both projects were completed, but needed to be bound in some way to be handed in to the class on Tuesday (tomorrow). I only had one folder with the prongs, and it was being recycled so it wasn't in pristine condition. I offered to take the projects to work with me today so I could use the comb binding machine.

At work today, I was punching the pages and about to bind them (on my lunch hour might I add) and one of the gals from the office was passing by, looked over my shoulder and said how wrong I was to be doing their homework for them. I showed her the projects, she read through each of them, including the handout from the teacher explaining the requirements. No where in the requirements did it specify how to complete the project- folder, staple, bind, etc...

I disagree with her - I didn't to "the work", I simply put the pages together.

So, what's the opinion here (I'm beginning to second guess myself!)




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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:49:02 PM
no. and tell the busybody to mind her own business.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:49:35 PM
I wouldn't consider that doing their homework. That's stretching it!

That said, it bothers me a bit that the teacher is requiring a project from the kids where he is keeping it in the end for his own personal purposes. I think it's a great project idea though.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:50:03 PM
No, I don't consider that "doing your kid's homework". Your coworker is wrong.





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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:50:28 PM
No, that's not doing their homework. And it's none of her business either.




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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:50:44 PM
They did their homework.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:51:12 PM

No, I don't think that you did the homework of either of your children. What you did is similar to taking a project to Kinkos and having it bound. That doesn't mean that Kinkos did the work. They simply bound the pages into a book.

I think that your co-worker (I'll assume that she's well intentioned) just needs to mind her own business.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:51:29 PM
What? No. Perfectly reasonable way to help your child, regardless of age. That sort of help from parents is expected at our schools.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:53:04 PM
Would FedEx Kinko's be equally guilty if you paid them to do it?

An employer would never reprimand an employee for having a report bound by a professional company. He would never accuse an employee of using FedEx to do the report.

It the guidelines had stated that the creativity of the cover was important and being graded, then yes, that could cross a line. But they're being graded on content, not presentation. Just my opinion.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:55:22 PM
I think it is great that you are helping your kids by giving them a nice binding on their book. They are being graded on the story and pictures, not the binding.

Too many people in this world are worried about what everyone else is doing and judging them for it.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 1:57:10 PM
No... that is just helping. I help my kids. They have done most of the grunt work or what I consider the learning part. Sometimes I have helped cut letter (for a poster board) but they have done the pasting or whatever. There is nothing wrong with a 'little' help from a parent as long as they are not 'doing' the work.



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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:03:33 PM
Hmmm....seems like she needs to take a ride on her broom.

That is so not doing their homework. They did the assignment!




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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:05:16 PM
No. My niece just finished her Science Day project, that requires a project board. I allow her to use my scrapbooking supplies, that doesn't mean I did any of the work.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:16:36 PM
What a busy body. No, that is not doing anyone's work. Ridiculous. They didn't require them to be bound, you chose to do it. Who cares?



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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:18:41 PM
My opinion is you're fine and that your coworker is exceedingly patient if you really went over each project with her.

Either you have an exceedingly abrasive co-worker - or she was kidding.



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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:18:46 PM

Personally, I think it's wrong for the teacher to keep the projects for personal use. It would be one thing if she told the kids she was going to keep a copy for her 3yo to enjoy, and made her own copy before handing back the projects. But this bothers me


I must be reading it completely differently. It was just the concept for the assignment.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 2:40:49 PM
No, they did the work. You just added the finishing touches.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:15:40 PM


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Personally, I think it's wrong for the teacher to keep the projects for personal use. It would be one thing if she told the kids she was going to keep a copy for her 3yo to enjoy, and made her own copy before handing back the projects. But this bothers me
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I must be reading it completely differently. It was just the concept for the assignment.




I agree with Batya (not surprising--I do about 90% of the time LOL). I used to give my students similar projects, and telling them that I needed something to read to my little ones at home (or for my neighbor's kids, my nephews, etc.) is simply giving them a purpose for their writing and a better definition of the audience for which they are writing. I seriously doubt the teacher is going to keep them for his/her own use. At the same time, I think it would be awesome if the teacher actually DID read them to his/her children before returning them and let studetns hear their reactions. If I did that with a project, I might even make little notes on the rubric i.e. "A and E really loved your pictures of _____." or "A and E laughed when ______."

Just telling them to keep it simple isn't as effective as giving them a specific goal of writing for the teacher's children.

As for the OP's original question: no, I don't think you are doing their work for them, and as a teacher it would not have bothered me to see what was obviously the child's work turned in with a "professional" finish. It wouldn't have impactedt he grade either positively or negatively b/c I graded projects with a rubric that didn't give much weight to the final appearance.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:28:29 PM
No, she's being ridiculous/rude!

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:31:47 PM
No.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:33:14 PM
No, I don't think it's a big deal. They worked hard on their books and made them themselves.



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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:35:58 PM
I don't think you can call that doing their homework for them.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:38:55 PM
I don't think you did your kid's work. Sometimes my DD wants to use my Cricut for a project. She'll choose the images and press the buttons to cut what she needs, but I am with her to load the mat correctly and help peel the paper off the mat so it doesn't tear. I don't feel that I'm cheating for her or doing her work in any way. I'm just helping her use a tool to make her project better. In your case, the tool needed was at your workplace. Not a big deal.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:41:51 PM

That is so not doing their homework.

this ^^^

and tell the busybody to mind her own business.
and this ^^^



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Posted: 2/4/2013 3:55:39 PM

I agree with Batya (not surprising--I do about 90% of the time LOL). I used to give my students similar projects, and telling them that I needed something to read to my little ones at home (or for my neighbor's kids, my nephews, etc.) is simply giving them a purpose for their writing and a better definition of the audience for which they are writing. I seriously doubt the teacher is going to keep them for his/her own use.


^^ what I was thinking ^^



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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:17:47 PM
I don't think you are wrong, however my parents would never have done that. They took us to Kinkos and we had to have it bound ourselves.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:30:53 PM
I was a teacher for over 35 years......... all grade levels k-12........ what you did was fine..... the kids completed their own work! I would have loved to have some of my parents care enough to bind a project......... and take the time to proofread and help their kids with the final touches ~ to be involved at any level with their children's homework......



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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:33:11 PM
Binding their homework together isn't doing their homework - nothing wrong with what you did.

Your co-worker needs to mind her own bees-wax

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Posted: 2/4/2013 4:43:07 PM
Unless binding was a part of the rubric, its not. Your coworker is completely wrong.


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Posted: 2/4/2013 5:45:05 PM
I don't think that binding their work constitutes "doing their homework."

A lot of projects that my kids have gotten over the years have involved things that aren't particularly educational. As long as THEY do the educational part of it (the research, the drawings, etc.), I have no problem helping with binding, gluing, and other "busy work" aspects of a project that have nothing to do with what is being taught. This is especially true for projects on unreasonable time frames where my kids are up in the middle of the night trying to finish them. If my kids have had a long time to finish a project and procrastinated, however, I would NOT help because part of what a long term project is teaching is time and project management.

I'd ignore the busybody at your office.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:10:29 PM
I think your coworker needs to mind her own business.

Binding the projects your children completed on their own is worlds away from doing their homework for them.
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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:11:10 PM
No, I don't consider that doing their homework. What you are doing is teaching them the concept of presentation. Because the product "looks better", the teacher will be more likely to think highly of their project.

It's the same concept as teaching your children layout design and color theory as they are doing a science fair or social studies project. You spend the time with them on the first project, teaching them the theory and why something looks good in one place and not the other, teaching them which colors go together. You make them cut things out straight, and line them up properly, sometimes 3 or 4 times, so that the board doesn't look like it was sneezed out. The next time they have a project, it's amazing how much they remember - they approach the project with a game plan and all you have to do is purchase the supplies.

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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:23:00 PM
No. That's not doing the work for them.
Possibly stealing from your employer
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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:26:58 PM
maybe what she really wanted to say was why are you using company resources on your kids homework

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Posted: 2/4/2013 6:27:33 PM

No. That's not doing the work for them.
Possibly stealing from your employer
But not doing the kids work


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Posted: 2/4/2013 7:21:48 PM
To me that would be no different than stapling the papers together for them. Your coworker needs a life.


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Posted: 2/5/2013 7:24:15 AM
Thank you all for your responses. The teacher is the same one that send home a note the night before open house saying he would not be attending because it was opening day for deer hunting and he'd be out of town.... has not been my favorite teacher to say the least.

Some further clarifications:

He is keeping the originals, if he so chooses. As a history project, I'm not even sure how this project ties into anything they've been recently learning, which sorta irritates me as well. Our High School campus has three high schools, and I think because our High School is ahead of the other two "in the book" that this is a time killing project to wait for the other two to catch up.

We do have permission to utilize company supplies for personal use, with the stipulation that it is done after our real work is completed, or we come in on our day off to use whatever we need. I actually had the clear covers and back covers at home- I just didn't have any prong folders left that were in good condition. Both kids wanted to just staple to corner and turn it in- nothing in the rubric specified it had to be in a folder or cover, or snything specific. When my found the box of covers on the shelf, it was his idea to use them- I simply offered to take them to work and use the comb binding machine to punch and bind them. (In the grand scheme of things, the cost of the two combs which were company owned were pennies so I don't think we'll go bankrupt anytime soon!! LOL!)

My coworker is in her early 20's, newly engaged, with no kids. She seemed to have an honest interest in the content of the projects which is why I thumbed through the booklets with her briefly. Her mom is an out of state teacher so I think she was naturally curious maybe? Dunno-

I will continue to support my kids in school. I value their education, and feel it's important for them to be the ones doing the work. The "busy work" such as I felt the comb binding was won't make or break them in their future careers in my opinion. I always offer to help but I tend to do so in a guidance manner and I don't hand out answers or do the work for them.

I feel better knowing the general consensus is that I didn't do anything that most other people would do.

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Posted: 2/5/2013 8:04:34 AM
No. Not at all.

As for a history lesson in their project...everything has a history. By the time an inanimate object is disposed of, his has a history. If I were concerned how this project relates to history, I would ask my children HOW their project relates.

Social history is very important to our overall understanding of ourselves.

I would be interested in what they chose to turn in. I always loved this kind of assignment for our children.

We often played a game in the car about how an object got to market...i.e. stop sign...we had to shout out all the jobs it took for that sign to be at that corner...back to the ore for the metal, the dye for paint, etc. It helped them understand the world around them and often led to discussions about the changes through history of certain objects we all take for granted.

Sounds like a fun assignment...but I'm a geek and my children in their 30s still call me that.


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Posted: 2/5/2013 10:13:05 AM
Your kids did the work themselves. You just helped bind it. I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Posted: 2/5/2013 12:32:40 PM
I vote that you are fine. However, I would inquire from the teacher if you were wrong in his eyes to do the binding.
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