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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:05:54 AM
NRA list

Really, what is the point of doing this? Personally, I would be proud to be on this list and proud of all those on the list.






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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:12:10 AM
Well that is clearly a group of left-wing, elitist, liberal organizations determined to dismantle and rescind our God-given Constitutional rights and lead this country down the road to socialism.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:14:04 AM
If anything, it looks bad for the NRA to have some of those organizations (like the American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, American Bar Association, etc.) be anti-gun. Not sure how they benefit from publicizing this.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:17:00 AM
If you needed further evidence that the leadership of the NRA is pushing it to become a fringe organization...



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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:18:46 AM

Do you have a problem with this? other organizations put out lists of organizations and businesses opposed to their pov all the time. They are just letting their members know who supports the other side. Just like, say, a LGBT group might put out a list of companies and organizations that oppose their goals.


Yes I do with every moral fiber of my being.





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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:21:31 AM
When you gain thousands of members per day, you aren't fringe.

Didn't you all get the memo that the gun ban bill died in committee?

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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:30:48 AM

When you gain thousands of members per day, you aren't fringe.


You keep telling yourself that. When the teachers, the principals, the counselors, the doctors, the surgeons, the pediatricians, the nurses, the psychiatrists, the Methodists, the Jews, the Mennonites, the Lutherans, the Catholics, the Unitarians, the UCC, the Episcopalians, the Womens' Clubs and the YWCA are all on your "enemies" list, you've got problems.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:32:25 AM

When you gain thousands of members per day, you aren't fringe.


The NRA is to guns what PETA is to animals. Fringe lunatics.

That's a pretty good list to be on, I'd think those organizations would be proud to be listed.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:43:41 AM
They are definitely moving further and further into the fringe. Sad. And just because an org backs gun control legislation doesn't make them ANTI-gun. But I guess it is only black and white in the NRAs mind.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 8:49:41 AM

Do you have a problem with this? other organizations put out lists of organizations and businesses opposed to their pov all the time.


Did you read the list? It's the name of every organization that has come out for any kind of handgun control. If you were a public figure you would be on that list. It's not based in rational thought, it's based in if "you aren't with us you're against us" thought.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:02:39 AM
I agree with Nightowl, as usual.

My husband is a lifetime member and we get their publications every month or so. I see nothing about the organization that would make them fall under the label "fringe lunatics."

Every organization that the left doesn't like gets labeled "extremist" or "fringe" sooner or later, and the NRA is no different.


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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:10:43 AM

My husband is a lifetime member and we get their publications every month or so. I see nothing about the organization that would make them fall under the label "fringe lunatics."


This was my father, he had been a lifetime member for over 40 years. But he called and cancelled his membership. For him they are being way too extreme now. This list just solidifies it in his mind. LaPierres speech was what made him quit.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:25:33 AM
I can't imagine there are too many lists out there that include Sylvester Stallone, Billy Crystal, Dweezil Zappa and Maya Angelou all on the same list.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 9:27:01 AM

Every organization that the left doesn't like gets labeled "extremist" or "fringe" sooner or later, and the NRA is no different.
Sorry Jodster, but I disagree with this sweeping generalization.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:03:36 AM
Okay, then let me rephrase. The NRA isn't a fringe organization, they are a lunatic organization. Better? Either way, they are worth nothing more than contempt and ridicule... like their counterpart PETA.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:04:50 AM

92 - 7 percent for background checks for all gun buyers with support for universal background checks 91 - 8 percent among voters in a household with a gun.

Voters support 52 - 43 percent stricter nationwide gun-control laws.

Attitudes on other gun-control issues are:
56 - 39 percent support for a ban on the sale of assault weapons, with voters in gun households opposing a ban 52 - 44 percent;
56 - 40 percent support for a ban on the sale of high capacity magazines holding more than 10 rounds, with voters in gun households opposed 52 - 45 percent


Same poll. Now tell me which of those positions are in alignment with the NRA's current positions (as articulated by its leadership) and what is considered "mainstream?"



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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:35:57 AM
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And here is yet another story from John Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health/Science Daily that says more Americans want tigher controls on guns among other measures.

I don't know but it seems what the majority of Americans want goes against what the NRA wants.

As to the list on the NRA website. Pretty mainstream which can't be good for the NRA. If they haven't already I would like the NRA to post a list of the corporations etc that support their views on gun control. That might be interesting.

I'm not sure I would call the NRA a fringe group but they sure are a paranoid bunch.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 10:54:34 AM
FTR I am not calling every member of the NRA themselves being on the "fringe". But I do feel the organization has done some very questionable things lately and they are pushing their agenda too far and it seems that even their members think that as well. That is what I am talking about.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:04:41 AM
The NRA is becoming it's own worst enemy, just like the Republican party has become. Let them make their blacklists, when you read the lists they've compiled, it just makes them look horrible.

Sadly, if they tried to compile a list like that and of that magnitude, that were PRO-NRA, it would be a scary read indeed.


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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:15:19 AM
I can't imagine there are too many lists out there that include Sylvester Stallone, Billy Crystal, Dweezil Zappa and Maya Angelou
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The only list I can think of is:

"Celebrities with a Y or Z in their name"

Other than that... I got nuthin'

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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:17:56 AM

So you did you also feel Team Obama's enemy list - link made him look horrible?


That was posted here when it happened and I and many others thought it was a bad idea and didn't agree with it.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:18:48 AM

It's problematic when a serious matter involving constitutional rights is discussed without listening and respecting the views of people who don't agree with you.



The same could be said about the NRA and their views. Where is the NRA's honest discussion of what can be done reslove the problem? Silly me after Sandy Hook I had actually thought they would come out with some responsible solutions. Comments like "the only way to deal with bad men with guns is with good men with guns" and putting guards in schools is not my idea of responsible comments or solutions on any level.

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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:28:56 AM
The issue isn't that they have a list, the issue is WHO is on the list.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 11:39:42 AM
I would be proud to be on that list.


The NRA is becoming it's own worst enemy, just like the Republican party has become. Let them make their blacklists, when you read the lists they've compiled, it just makes them look horrible.

Sadly, if they tried to compile a list like that and of that magnitude, that were PRO-NRA, it would be a scary read indeed.


I agree Stephi.





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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:15:00 PM

Labeling a group of people with an epithet like fringe implies that they are a bunch of folks with whom no thinking person would agree, certainly not more than a very small fraction of the population. And I think that labeling the NRA "fringe" or "paranoid" is trying to imply that their positions and opinions should not be taken seriously.

It's problematic when a serious matter involving constitutional rights is discussed without listening and respecting the views of people who don't agree with you.
Well said, Nightowl.



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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:19:06 PM

I have no doubt there are plenty of wonderful and upstanding people and organizations that have concerns about protecting gun rights in some form. And some who haven't said one way or the other.



let's look at the ones who have come out in support and compare shall we? Why don't you start comparing how those lists stack up?


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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:26:19 PM

I have no doubt there are plenty of wonderful and upstanding people and organizations that have concerns about protecting gun rights in some form. And some who haven't said one way or the other.


let's look at the ones who have come out in support and compare shall we? Why don't you start comparing how those lists stack up?


Yea, I'd like to see that comparison list too Stephi. It would be very interesting.






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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:42:33 PM

And I think that labeling the NRA "fringe" or "paranoid" is trying to imply that their positions and opinions should not be taken seriously.


That is exactly what I was implying, there was no "trying" about it. As far as I'm concerned, these days what the NRA adds to the national conversation on gun issues is about as useful as what Carrot Top does with his performance art.



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Posted: 2/8/2013 9:30:49 AM
Proud to be a member of an organization on that list.


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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:12:46 AM

Their viewpoints not being your idea of solutions is not the same as your accusation of them not having an honest discussion. You refuse to listen and understand their viewpoint, and accuse them of not having solutions because you don't like the solutions they have. It makes it very difficult to have a rational discussion with you.



Actually the NRA has not had an honest discussion about gun control in years. Everything that has been suggested they have always responded by saying no.

It is a fact that there are too many guns in the United States and on the streets. Guns are following into the hands of the wrong people and innocent people continue to get killed.

This would have been a perfect time for the NRA to step up to the plate and suggest sensible gun control that both sides could live with. Take a leadership role in stopping gun deaths. But instead they just keep saying no. Well people finally want change and the NRA can either be part of the solution or continue to be part of the problem.


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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:24:28 AM

The NRA is to guns what PETA is to animals. Fringe lunatics.

As a gun owner and long time vegetarian who supports animal rights, I AGREE!!!

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Posted: 2/8/2013 10:28:42 AM

What do you mean by that? That nice people and organizations have the opinion that gun control laws are needed? So? The value in the list is in people defining what those people and organizations are asking for.

I have no doubt there are plenty of wonderful and upstanding people and organizations that have concerns about protecting gun rights in some form. And some who haven't said one way or the other.

I suspect at least some of the celebrities on the list have the viewpoint "no one should have a gun except the people I hire to protect me". Is that a reasonable approach to gun control for the country? That would be an example of a position open to discussion once we understand what each person or organization is advocating.


What do I mean by that? Well, exactly what I already said in the beginning of this thread. Let me make it even more clear: if you draw a clear line in the sand, and you put yourself on one side and everyone on that list on the other side....well, it can only look bad for you.

And by the "other side", I don't mean the celebrities who like to espouse personal opinions. I'm talking about organizations like the ones I mentioned earlier: American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, American Bar Association, etc.

And I also like how Sarah stated it, and I will quote her since it also helps to answer your question of what I mean:


When the teachers, the principals, the counselors, the doctors, the surgeons, the pediatricians, the nurses, the psychiatrists, the Methodists, the Jews, the Mennonites, the Lutherans, the Catholics, the Unitarians, the UCC, the Episcopalians, the Womens' Clubs and the YWCA are all on your "enemies" list, you've got problems.


Hopefully this clarifies for you what I meant when I said the issue is not that they have a list (nothing wrong with that at all)...the issue is WHO is on the list.



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Posted: 2/8/2013 11:11:55 AM

It is a fact that there are too many guns in the United States and on the streets.
A fact? Really?
You should familiarize yourself with the difference between fact and opinion.


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