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Did he really realize that new laws won't make difference because existing laws aren't enforced?
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Mrs_Tyler
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Wow. I actually agree with Joe Biden.
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Curbing guns can't ensure an end to mass slayings like December's killings of 20 first-graders in Newtown, Conn., but it will reduce firearm deaths, Vice President Joe Biden said Thursday.
This is a true statement and The President has said this from the very beginning so I don't know why anyone should be surprised or think its something new.
And I'm concerned about all gun deaths. Including the one that just happened where a couple got into a fight and the husband left to cool off and came home to find his wife had shot all three of their children and then herself. One child is still alive but in a coma.
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Wow. I actually agree with Joe Biden
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And I'm concerned about all gun deaths. Including the one that just happened where a couple got into a fight and the husband left to cool off and came home to find his wife had shot all three of their children and then herself. One child is still alive but in a coma.
Don't you realize if she didn't have a gun she could have drowned them in the bathtub, sent the car with them in it, into a lake, torched the house, etc? Not having a gun wouldn't have prevented this woman from doing what she set out to do. Having a gun in the house isn't what makes troubled people snap.
So you're only concerned if she shoots them, not if she kills them with another method?
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Enough that arguement doesn't hold water. Drowning someone is messy and takes time. Ah but a gun is fast, efficent, and gets the job done in a matter of a very few minutes...
And I believe, and you really don't have a strong arguement to dispute this, if there had not been a gun or guns in that house ALL the family members would alive tonight. | |
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Enough that arguement doesn't hold water. Drowning someone is messy and takes time. Ah but a gun is fast, efficent, and gets the job done in a matter of a very few minutes...
And I believe, and you really don't have a strong arguement to dispute this, if there had not been a gun or guns in that house ALL the family members would alive tonight. | |
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 7:59:10 PM
Enough that arguement doesn't hold water. Drowning someone is messy and takes time.
I hope the pun was unintentional.
I recall a case from not so many years back about a mom who drove her car into a river to drown her children. Mental illness will drive a person to do some horrific things to people they love regardless of the weapon at their disposal.
Fact- we already have guns in the US.
Fact- no ban will remove all the guns in the US.
Fact- tighter gun control laws won't eliminate acts of violence due to guns or any other weapon.
And you cannot say for certain that the mother in your story would not have killed her children in some other way if there hadn't been a gun available.
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The name Andrea Yates mean anything to you, Krazyscrapper? |
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Mrs. tyler - I think you're referring to the Susan Smith case in South Carolina. She did it thinking that would be the way to get her boyfriend back (she may have been married at the time). The boyfriend quit having anything to do with her and she thought it was because of her boys. Anyway, I don't believe she was mentally ill. She just wanted the boyfriend more than she wanted her kids. | |
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 9:53:11 PM
I agree with Biden. And All Andrea Yates needed to kill her children was her hands and a bathtub. I am for some legislation, but do not see how many mass shootings could have been prevented. We also need mental health legislation or these gun control laws will be in vain.
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And since the below the radar lunatics hell bent on killing as many people possible get to walk around with guns, guess what? I have a constitutional right to protect myself from them by carrying a gun -- and I'm trained to do so.
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And I believe, and you really don't have a strong arguement to dispute this, if there had not been a gun or guns in that house ALL the family members would alive tonight.
I do have a strong argument. It's got a name. Filicide. And one of the 5 categories is Spouse Revenge Filicide. And most don't use a gun.
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And I believe, and you really don't have a strong arguement to dispute this, if there had not been a gun or guns in that house ALL the family members would alive tonight.
Andrea Yates' 5 children are all dead from being drowned in their bathtub, so your point is totally without merit.
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Anyway, I don't believe she was mentally ill. She just wanted the boyfriend more than she wanted her kids.
You think that someone who killed her children ISN'T mentally ill? |
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| Posted: 2/7/2013 10:58:27 PM
Enough that arguement doesn't hold water. Drowning someone is messy and takes time. Ah but a gun is fast, efficent, and gets the job done in a matter of a very few minutes...
And I believe, and you really don't have a strong arguement to dispute this, if there had not been a gun or guns in that house ALL the family members would alive tonight.
I think you are wrong. Totally wrong.
Andrea Yates, anyone?
How about this guy?
Or this one?
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Anyway, I don't believe she was mentally ill. She just wanted the boyfriend more than she wanted her kids.
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You think that someone who killed her children ISN'T mentally ill?
No kidding. That seems like it would be obvious. That would be like saying Adam Lanza wasn't mentally ill- no, he just wanted violence more than he wanted those innocent kids to live. | |
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I agree with him too. Basically because MOST of the gun violence is from hand guns not assault rifles. The criminals and wackos are not going to obey the laws. Sad but true. | |
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Everyone is fixated on the random events rather than the likely ones. We want assurances that there will be no more mass shootings but there are none. The shooters don't care that their actions are against the law.
You are 17 times more likely to kill a member of your own family than an armed intruder. We can't do anything about the mass shootings, but maybe some of the other deaths can be prevented.a
The whole drowning in the bathtub argument is beside the point. A guy who gets mad at a neighbor doesn't go drown him in the bathtub, but he's more likely to shoot the neighbor if he already has a gun than if he has to think it over and go get trained in firearm safety first. |
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A guy who gets mad at a neighbor doesn't go drown him in the bathtub, but he's more likely to shoot the neighbor if he already has a gun than if he has to think it over and go get trained in firearm safety first.
Like a lot of folks, you seem to be under the impression that the gun drives the behavior.
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Joe Biden did NOT say gun legislation won't make a difference in mass shootings.
What he said was this, "Nothing we are going to do is going to fundamentally alter or eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what it is now".
This is how I interpret the above-Nothing we do is going to eliminate the possibility of another mass shooting. Another mass shooting will happen. I agree with that. It's logical.
The second part-"or guarantee that we will bring gun deaths down to a thousand a year from what it is now". Since the total of gun deaths in 2012 in the USA was thirty thousand it's logical that you can't bring that down to a thousand no matter what new laws are enacted.
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Enough in some cases the gun does drive the behavior. Several weeks ago a kid took, I think, a shotgun to school and shot one or two boys that were bullying him. It would appear he felt the only way he could handle his tormentors was with a gun he had access to.
I have said before I believe guns give some people false courage. People got upset when I said it but I think its true. | |
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A guy who gets mad at a neighbor doesn't go drown him in the bathtub, but he's more likely to shoot the neighbor if he already has a gun than if he has to think it over and go get trained in firearm safety first.
Like a lot of folks, you seem to be under the impression that the gun drives the behavior.
The gun can make it easier, quicker and less physical way of killing someone. |
 
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Enough in some cases the gun does drive the behavior. Several weeks ago a kid took, I think, a shotgun to school and shot one or two boys that were bullying him. It would appear he felt the only way he could handle his tormentors was with a gun he had access to.
Even in that case, the gun did not drive the behavior. It is merely a tool to carry out the chosen behavior.
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