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Posted: 9/26/2013 8:56:06 PM
Honestly, I don't care if the federal government shuts down for months. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Let them suck on their cigars and play golf in DC for a month or two.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:08:30 PM
This single income (because for some reason moving every 18 months makes it tough to have a career) military family will not be playing golf or sucking on cigars if the govt shuts down. We will have a mighty meager Christmas though. It's nice it won't affect you, that's awesome. Yay you!




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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:13:57 PM
Military gets paid if the gov't shuts down. So does Social Security.

The post office doesn't close either.

EPA, HHS, etc. all close. Waaaaah.

Yeah, still don't care.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:17:58 PM
Those of us who are federal employees and do a wide variety of jobs that have nothing to do with Congress or Obamacare really do care if the government shuts down, because we will go on indefinite furlough.

Speaking as one half of a fed family, I care very much if the government shuts down. Do you not realize how many people's livelihoods depend on the government continuing to run?

If the government shuts down I don't have the means to pay my mortgage.

Furthermore, you might not consider that stuff essential, but think about some of the jobs that people do that would be halted in a shutdown - from the USGS monitoring the literal ground under your feet to a variety of agencies monitoring the globe to see who's making the nukes. You have no idea how much stuff would shut down that you really don't want to have shut down.

Then there's the economic damage of a shutdown.

This is the stupidest, most short sighted, most irresponsible thing I have read in a long time.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:18:59 PM
Well at least you show your true colors desertpea. WTG!



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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:19:17 PM
actually, the military won't get paid. They will work for free for awhile and then when the shut down is over they will be evaluated to see if the back pay will be given. If they work with private companies they may not be paid at all. I have several friends who missed out on pay the last time this happened and they had to work for free. It isn't pleasant.

While I'm not directly affected by the shutdown (if it happens), I wouldn't say that I don't care about those who are. It is very real and I'm thankful to not be affected. I think we could all do with a dose of caring about our neighbors as we would want them to care about us. It isn't (or shouldn't) always be what's in it for me....I think that attitude is what has gotten us into this mess.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:27:20 PM
Surely if your government shut down there would be anarchy on the streets, it would be like some bad horror movie.

In Australia we pay "rates" to our local government/ shire if we are home owners of around $1500.

Our Federal Government collects our Income Tax and GST (Goods and Services Tax) on our purchases. It then divides this money up and gives it to different States. We do not have State taxes.

Our States each oversee their own Medical, Education, and Police Systems using money given to them by the Federal Government.

To think of our Federal Government going down is like a joke, like going back to the Stones Ages but worse. It would be madness.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:29:57 PM
Well don't worry my husband will keep training his Marines to protect your sorry ass even if he is not getting paid.
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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:34:25 PM

Honestly, I don't care if the federal government shuts down for months. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Let them suck on their cigars and play golf in DC for a month or two.



Military gets paid if the gov't shuts down. So does Social Security.

The post office doesn't close either.

EPA, HHS, etc. all close. Waaaaah.

Yeah, still don't care.



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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:37:54 PM
Many others have mentioned the immediate ramifications of a government shutdown, so I'll offer another perspective. The trickle-down effects are enormous. My job is closely related to the tourism market, which represents a $6 billion market in the DC area annually. A gov't shutdown has massive consequences. Huge meetings and conferences would come to a grinding halt. Your tunnel-vision is astounding.



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Posted: 9/26/2013 9:38:15 PM
I don't normally post on on any type of government thread but I just have to say you are a bitter, uncaring, despicable person for saying such a thing. There are so many people's lives that this would affect, not just those sitting in congress. Ugh!


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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:02:40 PM
Sure, ok. Let's shut down my office. We are running approximately 2 years behind in processing claims due to budget/staffing cutbacks while our caseloads are exploding. With that said, we give Beneficiary appeals priority, specifically, Part C cases and most importantly, Medicare Part D cases where beneficiaries are waiting for a decision on whether an insurance plan is going to cover their potentially life-saving medication.

So yeah, shut me down. Fuck the appeals. Let them just sit there. Let the beneficiaries go weeks or months without a decision. Let the provider appeals sit there longer and let them lose even more money, because instead of a 2-year backlog, it'll be a 3 or 4 year one, and they will no longer be able to cover costs because they have so many appeals pending. After all, all government employees are sucking the taxpayer teat and we have nothing to show for it.

Fuck you.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:03:36 PM
I think you're looking to shock. Either that, or you are an idiot.

You can choose.


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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:04:23 PM
Since you don't care then I'll expect a check from you for the full amount of my DH's pay including BAS and BAH because our rent is still due even if he doesn't get paid. And the funny part? He still has to go to work and train soldiers and be ready at a moment's notice to go and defend your country. You're an ass desertpea.



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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:13:03 PM
DH is one of those military guys potentially working for free. Or, as we are being told, an IOU. We will be good for a month or two, but he is now dealing with 400 soldiers, many of them young airmen, who won't be eating after one missing paycheck. And then there are the civilians who will be furloughed with no pay and no IOUs coming. Who are feeling great after being told they are "nonessential" workers who the powers that be obviously don't value.

We're just living the dream...


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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:19:44 PM
Basketlady it is the young soldiers who I am most worried about.
Thankfully many military friendly banks are giving 0% interest loans in the amount of paychecks to cover military members but not everyone uses them. My heart heart hurts for the DA civilians. At our last duty station DH worked with mostly civilians and we made some very dear friends.



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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:20:46 PM
I have read a lot of shocking things in my years here at 2Peas. I have to say though that this takes the "prize." I cannot believe that anyone can honestly say they don't care if the government shuts down. I almost don't even know how to respond to that. As the mom of two sons in the military, and not very high ranking as they have only been less than a year, I do worry about them not getting paid. They don't make all that much anyway.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:31:39 PM
I'm assuming you're too uninformed to understand how hard this will affect many, many people. Because if you knew, I'm hoping you would care.

And no, the military will not get their paychecks on Oct. 15 if the government shuts down. You need to do more research and check your facts so you understand what's going on before you post comments like that.

Can you imagine all the families who will fall behind on their rent and mortgages, and not have any money for thanksgiving or Christmas?


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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:33:43 PM
Regarding military pay, as a previous post said, if they utilize direct deposit with USAA, Naval Air Credit Union or one other military related financial institution (sorry, can't remember who), they will be able to access short term, interest free loans for the same amount. So the same amount of money will still be deposited in their accounts.

While not all military use these financial service providers, I believe the majority do. If they don't yet, I strongly suggest that they start to. It may not help them now, but really, this WILL happen again. It is the way our government works these days.

Besides, USAA has far and away the best customer service I have ever received from a bank.

ETA: The name that escaped me was Marine Federal Credit Union.




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Posted: 9/26/2013 10:51:47 PM

Regarding military pay, as a previous post said, if they utilize direct deposit with USAA, Naval Air Credit Union or one other military related financial institution (sorry, can't remember who), they will be able to access short term, interest free loans for the same amount. So the same amount of money will still be deposited in their accounts.
That can help put food on the table, but they're still loans. I worry what will happen if they don't back-pay the military if things shut down?

Hijack: Has the military ever NOT been paid? There's been a few close calls that I know of, but has it ever actually happened? I know we've never had this kind of a mess though.


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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:01:13 PM
I may be wrong about this, but I think that if you are in a position where you are required to work, and you have a contract as the military does, there is no choice available to not eventually pay you. Now, if you are not required to keep working, I believe there are ways to not pay for time that wasn't worked. It is more a matter of the delay.




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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:10:55 PM
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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:11:41 PM
Once again... you can't fix stupid.

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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:13:11 PM
I'm a single-income government contractor who is facing ICU medical bills on top of the funeral expenses I just forked out, with two kids in college. While I'm on the extremely short list of people who will still report to work, that can change if things go on for very long. If push comes to shove and contractors get told to stay home, there are two of us who will do the work of nine (until they say they can't even pay the two of us). Two of my guys who will only be on-call (and who don't get paid unless they actually get called) are single-income families. As contractors, we should be able to use paid leave that we have on the books (civil servants can't because it's still out of the government pot, whereas ours is out of our company's pot) but that won't last long (I have over a month banked but that's the exception, not the norm). If my people (and others on my contract) get furloughed, there's a good chance a significant portion will not come back. I can't blame them, but it will leave us in a tight spot when funding returns because we're (my group at least) already running only one person deep in almost every job function.

I care if the government shuts down.

What I really would like to see is all of those who are responsible for this (Congress, Executive branch) working without pay until they get things fixed.



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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:18:36 PM
Oh Yivit, I had no idea you too would be affected by this. I'm so sorry, you have certainly been through enough.

I fully support locking congress, the executive branch, and whoever else it freaking takes in a small room with only an open toilet ala prison until they figure it out. Im starting to think we need an amendment to the Constitution laying that out, because it just keeps happening. Those jokers work for US, and they are NOT doing their jobs. I'm so frustrated!

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Posted: 9/26/2013 11:30:29 PM
Congress should not get paid and they should have to stay in DC until this is fixed.

A government shut down affects so many people and businesses that you don't think of


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Posted: 9/27/2013 12:32:46 AM

Honestly, I don't care if the federal government shuts down for months. Doesn't affect me in the slightest

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Posted: 9/27/2013 1:53:05 AM
Peaple, desertpea is playing you. She feeds on your shocked reactions. Also, everyone's moving stories about how this will affect you ... you're speaking to a brick wall. She is an ideologue, and real people with their real-life problems are meaningless to her and others like her.

I would bet there are more peas out there who think a government shutdown sounds dandy. They're just being more circumspect than desertpea.


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Posted: 9/27/2013 2:52:08 AM
Another military family here living on his income, I am really concerned about this, we have a credit union that is still paying us, but the young airman and young families is my biggest concern. I worry about how they will recover, and my family too. We have to move so much that I really can't have any kind of permanent job, so we live off what the military pays him. Let's hope for the best.

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Posted: 9/27/2013 5:28:53 AM
If the gov't shuts down, the military will receive their Oct 1st pay on Sept 30th.

If the dispute is resolved by Oct 9th, the military will receive their 10/15 pay on time. If not resolved by then, their pay won't be received until a few days after whatever the resolution date is

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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:26:18 AM
Our government has gotten way too big! Its a problem when so many jobs are tied to them. Reason 108917 that Obama's plan is/was bad. Jobs need to be created in the private sector NOT the government. Did folks really not see this coming? It is not the Republican Party's fault that the Democratic Party refuses to negotiate. Anyone who believes so is narrow-minded. Negotiation has to go both ways. That is the way our government is supposed to work. The RP is doing exactly what they should be.

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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:37:47 AM

Honestly, I don't care if the federal government shuts down for months. Doesn't affect me in the slightest. Let them suck on their cigars and play golf in DC for a month or two.


You cannot possibly be this dense, so I'll just assume that you are baiting those of us who would be hard hit by a government shutdown. Does it hurt to be such a giant a**hole?



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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:50:33 AM

Our government has gotten way too big! Its a problem when so many jobs are tied to them. Reason 108917 that Obama's plan is/was bad. Jobs need to be created in the private sector NOT the government. Did folks really not see this coming? It is not the Republican Party's fault that the Democratic Party refuses to negotiate. Anyone who believes so is narrow-minded. Negotiation has to go both ways. That is the way our government is supposed to work. The RP is doing exactly what they should be.



ACA was signed into law three and a half years ago. I'm thinking 2010 would have been a great time for the Republicans to try to force negotiations on that.

And then instead of writing up a better plan and sending it back to the House this week, Ted Cruz stood around and read Green Eggs and Ham.

And people want to talk about the Democrats being unreasonable? Really?

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Posted: 9/27/2013 6:55:54 AM
I know you can't be serious. As stated the trickle down effect will be horrible. I live in an area that depends on the government employees spending money. Both my DH and I work for the federal government so that means both of us will not have an income. As a result of this he may come back to a job and I may be laid off.

I guess this just proves how ignorant you really are.


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ACA was signed into law three and a half years ago. I'm thinking 2010 would have been a great time for the Republicans to try to force negotiations on that.

And then instead of writing up a better plan and sending it back to the House this week, Ted Cruz stood around and read Green Eggs and Ham.

And people want to talk about the Democrats being unreasonable? Really?


The Democrats held a super majority then. Republicans didn't have a leg to stand on. Even many of the Democrats admit to not reading the bill. I'm supposed to believe that it's a good bill and was passed on it merits wasn't a political move? Not buying it.

The fact you want to say that all Ted Cruz did was "stand around and read Green Eggs and Ham" speaks volumes. Really, for over 21 hours you think that's all he did? LOL! At least he was standing for what he believes. Most of the Senators weren't even there the majority of the time. They were sure accomplishing a lot huh?

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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:03:01 AM
Hmm, let's see... how many people desperate for the blood sucking machine to continue gave any sort of care when most of us had to face job losses, our health insurance, our hours cut, our pay cut permanently because of these stupid government policies? We had entire industries wipe out completely.

Oh, we were told to suck it up and make do. Which most of us did.

Government workers are not a special protected class of people.

The wallets are empty to pay you, and you want us to sacrifice our health and well being to pay for your paycheck.

I witnessed plenty of temporary government shutdowns before on the state and federal level, and the world didn't fall apart. They got their fat pensions from junk bonds while the rest of us will work until we die.

Government workers are not a special protected class of people.

Have your unions pay you. The only constitutional pay protection is for the military, and they've seen their benefits and services decrease while the rest of you whine about how the middle class has to pay for your sex change operations and abortions "for the children."

Go get a job in private industry like the rest of us where you can pay about triple for your health insurance right out of your paycheck or risk increased tax penalty. We just got our estimates for next year and we're getting billed as a married couple the same amount as a family of six two years ago.

Government workers are not a special protected class of people.

Or ask Lois Lerner of the IRS for a loan out of her six figure pension to make your mortgage payment. She gets her money regardless if she made millions of people go through hell fighting this bloated government entity for phony audits simply because they were registered as another political party.

I'll take a week of a government shutdown in exchange for waking people up to how absolutely horrific the situation is. You'll get over it just like the rest of us had to.

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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:04:51 AM
There was no supermajority and I can't believe some are still spouting that fallacy.



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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:08:24 AM
Why do people even engage in conversations with someone like the OP? It's clear she's in it for the "shock and awe" outrage...why give it to her?

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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:12:43 AM

Honestly, I don't care if the federal government shuts down for months. Doesn't affect me in the slightest.


Congratulations.



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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:14:05 AM

Jobs need to be created in the private sector NOT the government.


Are you f-ing kidding me. The agency that I work is staffed lower right now than in the 26 years I've been with them. Government workers are being cut left and right. We've had to let three employees go since June.

But, hey, we all just "suck off the teat of the Government" anyway, don't we?






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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:37:26 AM
This is my personal opinion only from what I've observed on the news and at TwoPeas over the past few years.

First of all, I agree with the pea who said that the government is way too big. Whose fault is that? It's the Democrats, the Republicans, and the American people's fault. The Dems and Repubs voted for an over-expanding government and the American people have supported it throughout decades of various legislation. If the government were to shut down, it would spell catastrophe for our nation; I honestly don't believe this is what our forefathers had in mind when they formed this country. Unfortunately, it's the reality and we have to deal with it.

As long as we can still get credit from China, India, Russia, Iran and Lord knows who else, our government will not shut down. But when that day comes when we are refused anymore credit, our nation will shut down - and no amount of Demo/Repub caterwauling will stop it.



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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:45:02 AM
Three? You're complaining about three people in a government agency most people won't even miss?

Try 21 million people out of work in the private sector. Their jobs are NEVER coming back because of these inane policies. They aren't paying taxes because they don't have jobs.

There are more people living in poverty in this country than in the last 20 years -- 47 million people. That number is only going to get bigger, so I'd love to know where you think all this money is coming from to pay for all your feel good programs.

Maybe you can charge them carbon taxes for exhaling after you pay the $189,000+ you owe in government debt. That's your fair share you need to pay up. Hope you have that socked away somewhere because the undersecretary of agriculture needs his six figure pension to be paid along with his premium health care. He's special.

There is ZERO line of difference between Republican and Democrat on this issue. Both parties are corrupt to their core, and only care about protecting their respective gravy trains.

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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:47:42 AM
desertpea, I thought you were moving abroad somewhere?

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Posted: 9/27/2013 8:50:59 AM
PeaCeaRyder since you feel the government is so big what would you get rid of?

I asked this question once before and people responded but they were fluff answers.

I'm curious to hear what the ones that clamor the loudest that the government is to big would get rid of.


~*kristina*~
Typical Liberal Pea

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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:06:02 AM

Three? You're complaining about three people in a government agency most people won't even miss?


Other people are right, you are an idiot. You have got NO clue how big of a agency I work for, what jobs those people did and whether or not they are missed. Since President Obama has taken office, our agency has lost 47% of our office so I don't want to hear the bullshit that the government has increased....well, I'm hear to tell you, it isn't in the branch of government I'm employed with.

It sounds like you have big old chip on your shoulder.





Georgiapea
Mom to the Wild Things.

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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:27:50 AM
I, the self proclaimed "most selfish person on the planet", care a LOT about the federal employees who will be impacted by a shutdown. I would never gloat over anyone's income loss.

desertpea
StuckOnPeas

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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:28:58 AM
List of United States Federal Agencies and this isn't all of them

The first that can go are all the people paid to spy on Americans without a warrant. I'm paying the salaries of people to collect and store my phone and internet data! Yeah, let's start there.

yivit
I thought this was an autonomous collective

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Posted: 9/27/2013 9:30:07 AM
I see a run on tin foil...



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