A Dude Trying To Ban Abortions Is Asked A Question He Never Considered

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:01:35 AM
Wow.

TFS.

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:08:10 AM
Yes, wow.
I would hope that man would have walked right out of that interview after answering that question to undo any work he had done towards banning abortion.






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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:09:21 AM
I just as this link on the same site and it's awesome, too.

Hillary Clinton on Abortion

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:09:38 AM
Good freaking grief. Scary.



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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:10:59 AM
Pathetic

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:15:15 AM
I really hate up worthy. I've seen about 10 links in the past couple days alone with titles, teasers, or subjects that seemed interesting but then I click the link to find out it's just a video. Grrr. I hate that! Why no summary article for people who don't want to /can't watch the video for whatever reason?

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:20:15 AM
I really hate up worthy. I've seen about 10 links in the past couple days alone with titles, teasers, or subjects that seemed interesting but then I click the link to find out it's just a video. Grrr. I hate that! Why no summary article for people who don't want to /can't watch the video for whatever reason?

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It's a very short video, but basically, a legislator who has been trying to ban most abortions in Ohio was asked during an interview why a woman would want to get an abortion, and he stammered and said he never really thought about it.

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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:22:24 AM

a legislator who has been trying to ban most abortions in Ohio was asked during an interview why a woman would want to get an abortion, and he stammered and said he never really thought about it.
He also said he wasn't a woman, so he didn't really know...






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Posted: 12/31/2013 11:39:37 AM

He also said he wasn't a woman, so he didn't really know...


Which is a ridiculous response. I don't have to be gay to understand why they want the right to marry. How can people so narrow minded get into positions of power. He totally lacks the ability to empathize yet he wants to change laws that control women's rights.


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Posted: 12/31/2013 12:33:44 PM
he mumbles that he is not a woman...and chuckles...is not pregnant

so he doesn't know

he never really thought about it...aside from the fact that it might be an economic choice

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Posted: 12/31/2013 12:40:09 PM

If you believe that a fetus is a distinct human being with rights, then what motivates its mother to want to abort it is not relevant to the morality of that act.
If someone wishes to help a woman who is facing an unwanted pregnancy, or to reduce the number of abortions then, yes. it is imperative to understand the factors that lead to a woman making such a choice. But, let's take abortion out of the equation, and let's just talk about the ending of a life. If you believe on principle that life is sacred and should be preserved, would your view of the value of that life and its deserving protection be impacted by the motive of the one wishing to take it? Those who are pro life, oppose the procedure because they see it as taking an innocent life. Period.
It may not be a popular position, but it is a consistent one.

Ok, that's all well and good, but if you are a legislator, you can't make laws in a vacuum.

His end goal is to reduce/eliminate abortions because he believes they are taking innocent lives. OK, fine. But if he thinks that women who choose abortion now will stop choosing abortion just because the law changes, he is completely short sighted. They may go to a different state. They may try to induce abortion themselves. They may go to illegal providers. Actual incidence of abortion would not dramatically drop if the ONLY change that was made was a legislative change.

So, to me, it follows that if he is really invested in protecting what he views as innocent lives, he's going to consider and advocate a multi-pronged approach. Look at the reasons why women choose abortion to begin with and work on solving those in tandem with changing laws. THAT might actually reduce incidence of abortion and protect what he veiws as innocent lives, instead of just shifting how/where abortions happen.

Never having considered the bigger picture shows he lacks intellectual rigor and problem solving ability. He only sees one solution to a problem that has many disparate causes. He's foolish.

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Posted: 12/31/2013 12:45:11 PM
Yes, exactly, Aslan. When it comes to deliberately killing a foetus, the reason why the woman wants to do it is pretty much irrelevant. There are a very limited number of exceptions, I believe, but in most cases the 'wishes' of the mother are not any reason to take a life.

***ETA*** just read your post BusyPea, it was posted while I was writing mine. And you are absolutely correct. I was going to delete mine, but deleting posts is pretty cowardly, so I won't. I didn't think my response through enough, and stopped the thought process to soon, as did the guy in the video. The wishes of the woman certainly do need to be taken into account when drafting the law.




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Posted: 12/31/2013 12:52:22 PM

Those who are pro life, oppose the procedure because they see it as taking an innocent life. Period. It may not be a popular position, but it is a consistent one.
"Except to save a woman's life". So the position is not really consistent because, in that narrow exception that he makes, motivation is important.

And, if you are equating a fetus with a baby, whether the mother's life is in danger or not, would be moot. Would he find it acceptable to sacrifice a newborn for it's mother? I don't think so. Again, not consistent.


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Posted: 12/31/2013 1:43:34 PM
I don't believe an unborn fetus' rights are more important than the rights of the woman carrying it, ever. I'll always be pro choice, and fight against those who try and legislate what rights women have over their own bodies, particularly when that legislation is based on the legislator's personal beliefs, not considering the situation of the mother or the welfare and quality of life the baby may have when it is born. Obviously this man is one of those.

I can't believe these rights are still still something women have to fight for to keep from losing them again, or lose safe access to them.




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Posted: 12/31/2013 1:52:03 PM

If you believe that a fetus is a distinct human being with rights, then what motivates its mother to want to abort it is not relevant to the morality of that act.


OK but, even against other already born human beings we have certain rights for self defense, yet anti abortion legislators frequently refuse to include allowances for a mothers health needs. I really dont see how that is any different. Protecting yourself is protecting yourself.

And with that Im going to leave this thread because it wont go anywhere good and no one will change their position. I'm not up for the bickering.

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Posted: 12/31/2013 2:53:04 PM

I have never met a pro life individual who does not think that in the case of a mother's life being at risk, that abortion is an acceptable though tragic option.


I have. Both on the internet and in person. They'd rather that the situation (whatever is causing the mother distress) go forward and see what happens.



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Posted: 12/31/2013 3:03:32 PM

have never met a pro life individual who does not think that in the case of a mother's life being at risk, that abortion is an acceptable though tragic option.


I have. Both on the internet and in person. They'd rather that the situation (whatever is causing the mother distress) go forward and see what happens.

I have as well. Their attitude was that it was the woman's "job" to "let God do as he will" and "accept God's will."

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Posted: 12/31/2013 3:17:00 PM
You know what reduces abortions?

Free and easy access to birth control.



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Posted: 12/31/2013 3:25:55 PM

Those who are pro life, oppose the procedure because they see it as taking an innocent life. Period.


exactly, and it is that sort of absolutist stance and lack of moral relativism that make extremist muslims and christians indistinguishable. bravo sir, you are a nut job.
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