*Survivor - Cagayan* April 16th Discussion Thread ***Spoilers!!!!***

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Posted: 4/16/2014 7:52:42 PM
Hey Survivors,

Who's still in the 2Peas Pool? My guy, Woo, is still going ... don't you just love him?

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Posted: 4/16/2014 9:14:16 PM
I can't stand Tony! And with tonight's episode, my family of three is now all officially out of the pool (LJ was my guy--I was the last one left with someone).

It stinks from a pool perspective but even more from a likability perspective. Tony is a jerk and I really, really liked LJ. And yes, I do love Woo too, except the part where he is blindingly loyal to that creep Tony (did I mention that I don't like Tony?)

I think Tony's paranoia will ultimately do him in. He had a chance to rid the game of a much more savvy player than LJ (Spencer) and he blew it. It's very unfortunate, because the five he aligned himself with (well maybe not Kass) were actually quite loyal to him. He really could have rode that out a lot longer. He would stand no chance of winning the game against Spencer, Jeremiah or Tasha, at least I don't think.

Oh well, please self-destruct next week Tony.

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Posted: 4/16/2014 9:42:42 PM
Great episode tonight.

But sometimes I wish Survivor would watch the foreshadowing a bit. I knew as soon as they showed the bit about LJ giving up his idol to Tony at tribal council (again) and as soon as Tony started talking about targeting LJ that LJ was going home tonight. Because of that darn footage. If they hadn't shown it again it wouldn't have clued me in so much! Either that, or I watch this show too much. Could that be it? Nah!

Starting at the beginning Tony was uber pissed coming back from Tribal after seeing his name written down so many times. He kept going on and on about it and I kept thinking Tony really does talk way too much! He needs to learn to keep an edit button on his mouth.

BUT...I still think he's going to win this season. Since the second episode I've been saying this and I still believe it. Tony saw LJ as a threat and instead of going to everyone and trying to get them to vote LJ out he starts a rumour instead. Doing that in my opinion was much wiser-it brought up the suspicion that LJ wanted to break the alliance and get rid of Woo, making LJ look like the bad guy and all of the focus completely shifted away from Tony-which is exactly what he wanted.

I really like Woo-I'd like to see Woo win simply because of his happy energy, but Tony is the one who's really playing the game and has since day one.

I like Spencer too and would be very happy to see Spencer win also. Spencer has proven himself over and over again. He got stuck on the worst tribe ever, he then was on the bottom of that tribe, and he's really done well lately with finding the immunity idol, winning the challenge the previous week (the balance one), and being on the winning team this week.

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Posted: 4/16/2014 9:48:57 PM
I finally finished my post (written during Criminal Minds on commercial breaks, and then I had to go make a batch of cat food), posted it and then read Ginger64's post.

We have opposite thoughts this week Ginger. I so see your point about how Tony probably should have kept to his alliance a little longer while he had those 5 people (agree, maybe not Cass) so well aligned with him.

But, there's a very good chance that Spencer (hey, do you think he was named after Spencer Reid from Criminal Minds?-I think I like him better all of a sudden!) would have played the idol that he has tonight if Tony hadn't pulled the blindside on LJ.

That means that Jeremiah would have been the one going home. LJ is a much bigger threat to Tony winning than Jeremiah so maybe that's what Tony was thinking. It's knowing when to make your move and making it. Not sitting back and letting that time pass by.

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Posted: 4/16/2014 11:06:51 PM
Yay my man Woo is still in it! Although seeing him fall out of that tree in the previews for next week has me worried.

I'm going to go against the grain & say that I like Tony. He's smart, quick thinking, and I'm betting he's a darn good cop. He was playing defensively - his name had already been written down a bunch of times, his ally is already threatening to flip on a teammate, what would stop him from flipping on Tony? that's how I would play it too. I hope he goes far (but still want Woo to win )




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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:24:54 AM

BUT...I still think he's going to win this season. Since the second episode I've been saying this and I still believe it. Tony saw LJ as a threat and instead of going to everyone and trying to get them to vote LJ out he starts a rumour instead. Doing that in my opinion was much wiser-it brought up the suspicion that LJ wanted to break the alliance and get rid of Woo, making LJ look like the bad guy and all of the focus completely shifted away from Tony-which is exactly what he wanted.


I just think he's proven himself way too unstable, paranoid and emotional. The outburst after TC was ridiculous (how DARE you try to vote me out while I am in the process of voting all of YOU out!). I think that the girls are smart enough to think he's full of crap about the LJ rumor. I could be wrong, but I do think that. I think his constant fast-talking, spreading a rumor about a guy who has shown himself to be a lot more stable and loyal than he is, and then blindsiding part of his alliance and voting that guy out, will not bode well for him. I wouldn't want to stay aligned with him if I was ANY of them. Who knows who will freak him out next time.


That means that Jeremiah would have been the one going home. LJ is a much bigger threat to Tony winning than Jeremiah so maybe that's what Tony was thinking. It's knowing when to make your move and making it. Not sitting back and letting that time pass by.


True, but he could have either sold the story to Spencer and made him feel secure enough not to play (just like he didn't last night) but still vote him off. If they split the vote like they were planning, worst case scenario is Spencer doesn't buy the story and plays his HII and they get rid of Jeremiah but also get rid the HII out of Spencer's hands. That's a win-win situation in my opinion. Now the HII is still out there and they don't know who has it.

I think Tony made a mistake and I do not think he'll win this game, but I'll eat crow if I have to when this is all over. And of course all of my this could be due to the fact that I liked LJ, he was nice to look at, I had him in the pool, and the mere sound of Tony's voice is nails on the chalkboard to me.

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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:35:46 AM
Fun links for those who want them:

Dalton Ross' recap
Jeff Probst's Q&A and
LJ at Ponderosa (For some reason I couldn't find this on the CBS website--they still have Morgan's arrival up--but found it on You Tube. Weird!)

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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:37:11 AM
Wow - now I really LJ! and this is great eye candy!

LJ arrives at the Ponderosa

I can't wait to hear what he has to say at the finale!!!

ETA - I guess Ginger and I were posting at the same time!


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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:53:52 AM
Thanks for the spoilers!!! Our station went out about the time Tony was bad mouthing LJ. I have a little crush on LJ. He reminds me of Jon Hamm.

Anyway, I don't like Tony. He's a bully and talks too much!

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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:03:02 AM
I didn't participate in any sort of pick 'em, but I'm really rooting for Spencer. I loved seeing LJ go home last night! Now I'm hoping Tony or Kass is next!

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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:02:19 AM
I'm impressed that the very next day he goes out and exercises!! Damn.. (I was hoping to see him without all the hair though)...

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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:35:51 PM
So was Jefra the only woman who was surprised by the flip? She was the only one they showed saying anything. If I remember correctly, none of the women in that alliance wrote down his name & I couldn't tell if Kass & Trish were surprised when LJ got the boot. So Tony & Woo basically just screwed them all over?




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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:01:55 PM

I think Tony's paranoia will ultimately do him in. He had a chance to rid the game of a much more savvy player than LJ (Spencer) and he blew it.
wasn't tony's information TRUE, though? didn't LJ mention woo?

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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:09:41 PM
I'd love to see Spencer or Woo win. I do think Tony was paranoid, but it didn't seem like LJ was playing the game. Why wouldn't he talk to Tasha? Some of them get so comfortable in their alliances that they forget other people are playing to win.


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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:34:31 PM
Krissy_Kat-There isn't really any kind of pick 'em.

There is a Survivor Pool where if you want to you can donate $5.00 before the first episode, names are drawn out of a hat and Peas are assigned Surviors. Then at the end of the season if you are the Pea who has the winning Survivor's Name you share in the pot.

And there's the kind of pick the winner ahead of time "game" that I play and Dalton Ross plays, but it's not really a game. I choose from the cast interviews before the first episode who I think is going to win Survivor. Dalton Ross (who writes the Survivor reviews for EW) I think picked Spencer. I didn't get around to watching the interviews this season so I picked Tony after the second episode. No winnings, just pick one and see if we're right at the end. The one time I was right was when I picked Kim Spradlin from Survivor One World Season 24 based on her interview before the game. Too bad I didn't place a bet on her beforehand, but I don't gamble

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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:48:16 PM
Ginger64-I hear you about Tony's outburst and agree with you. His mouth needs an edit button. And yet in my mind he still finds ways to manipulate (outwit) folks right and left to think and do what he wants to get further in the game. That is a big advantage.

Also I think you are right. Tony could have easily taken Spencer out last night after telling him to vote for LJ, but maybe he wants Spencer as his ally for right now, and plans on cutting him loose later. Although if Tony and Spencer make it to the end I think Spencer would win. Tony needs to be careful that he doesn't piss too many people off. He also doesn't know Spencer has the idol. Yeah, you're right. It would have been in Tony's best interest to get rid of Spencer last night, not LJ.

Jeffra doesn't have a clue what's going on most of the time. You can tell by her continued expressions of surprise. She's just going along with what her alliance is telling her to do.

Trish is smart as a whip in addition to being strong physically. She caught onto what Tony was trying to do-cast suspicion onto LJ by saying he was the one who wanted Woo out, and was drilling Tony about it saying what he was telling her didn't make sense. If anyone can beat Tony at his game I think it's Trish.

Gosh I love this show! It can turn so fast and in so many ways. This has been a really great season and I hope so much that the producers take note that it was an all new cast with no redemption island that has made it so!

I also hope my happy energy boy Woo will be okay next week-his fall from the tree looks very foreboding!

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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:59:20 PM
About Woo's fall from the tree that we saw in the previews....my prediction is that it will be totally okay. He'll get a scratch or two and that's it. Remember the previews from NCIS last year when it ended with Tony and Ziva being broadsided by another car? They ended up walking out of the hospital with a few bandaids. I think it will be the same with Woo's tree. The producers love to mess with us.



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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:38:39 PM
Okay, let me get this straight... Tony was all pissed at the other alliance because they tried to vote him out, so he gets retaliation by voting someone from his alliance out? Where is the logic in that?

He honestly doesn't see Spencer as a threat? Because Spencer is a way bigger threat than LJ ever was. So he stuck with Spencer and he pissed off his alliance... Awesome move, Tony.



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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:21:11 PM
To me, Tony=Russell Hantz


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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:15:35 AM

wasn't tony's information TRUE, though? didn't LJ mention woo?


Not really. Tony lied to LJ to entrap him. Classic "bad cop" move. Tony told LJ that he thought Woo had the idol and I think he said he thought that Woo might flip and was sort of looking for some sort of response from LJ.

LJ after the fact told Trish that Tony was paranoid. LJ was solid with his group of 6. Tony was intentionally trying to stir up trouble, so that his alliance would turn on LJ. In the end they did not. LJ's votes came from Spencer, Tash, Jeremiah and Tony himself.


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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:12:12 AM
LJ actually got 5 votes at Tribal according to some extra Ponderosa footage I just watched on youtube. Tony and Woo, along with Tasha, Spencer and Jeremiah voted for LJ.

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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:41:23 PM
Tony=Russell Hantz

LJ was my guy in the pool. Darn him for trusting Tony!

Love the look the girl cop gave Tony when he said he was a carpenter.
Tell me THAT isn't gonna come out on the jury!


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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:46:57 PM

I'm impressed that the very next day he goes out and exercises!! Damn.. (I was hoping to see him without all the hair though)...


I was impressed by that too and was also hoping we'd see him after a little grooming. The girls sure weren't being overly friendly to him though, especially that biotch Morgan. What is her problem--he didn't directly do anything to her; they were just on different alliances. I bet he'll be glad when/if someone more normal arrives, although he seems to like just being by himself. He's a real zen kind of guy or something. Love everything about him. And I doubt we'll see any fireworks at the finale from him. He already said that after just 24 hours he feels a lot better and he understands that it's a game and that he was a threat.


So was Jefra the only woman who was surprised by the flip? She was the only one they showed saying anything. If I remember correctly, none of the women in that alliance wrote down his name & I couldn't tell if Kass & Trish were surprised when LJ got the boot. So Tony & Woo basically just screwed them all over?


I don't think Jefra was the only one surprised. I kind of got the impression that the other women were surprised too. They (at least Trish) knew Tony wanted to vote out LJ but I'm not sure they knew he was actually going to do it.

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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:00:20 AM
"El Jay". Seriously Tony?

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Posted: 4/19/2014 1:11:16 PM
I think Tony burned some bridges and it is going to come back on him in a big way. Now Trish doesn't trust him, his alliance sat there all "WTF just happened"? and Tony is swaggering around like he is King Asshole. I can't wait for him to get got. What a douche bag.

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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:13:17 PM
I don't like Tony, but he does not seem like a Hantz to me yet. He is headed that way, his brain is working too hard and I think he will loose it.

I am not in a pool, but I would like Spencer to win. I like Kass, but I don't want to see her in F3.

If Woo and Spencer would team up and have a secret alliance, that would be great!


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Posted: 4/19/2014 2:56:35 PM
Yeah, I think Tony has made a bigger mistake as far as burning bridges than Kass did a few weeks ago.

Final 3 I would love to see are Spencer, Kass & Woo. I'd be happy if either Woo or Spencer take it all.




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