Burrs on punches!!
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Posted: 1/30/2013 7:37:49 PM
I have 2 new punches (martha stewart and a fiskar) and both I guess have burrs b/c when I punch them, the negative left behind on the CS is all jagged and black and then the positive that was punched out is also jagged and black.

Now I know punches have to be broken in sometimes to get all the initial black and tiny metal stuff off---but I've punched them several times and they are still doing it---so I was thinking of using some tin foil and punching through that so see if that helps---BUT I wanted to ask everyone what they do.

I also have a portable trimmer I just got that is doing the same thing---leaving jagged edges on the paper---it's getting better, but I may take some tin foil to it too --but after I figure out what helps the punches first!



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Posted: 1/30/2013 11:53:04 PM
Use a piece of paper and cut and punch over and over. Is it the tool or is it you? Figure it out. If it's the tool contact Fiskars directly. As for Martha ... good luck.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 3:12:02 AM
Melissa-Knowing that you do use punches on a regular basis I think the problem is with the punch. Personally I have punched foil once or twice and that has smoothed out a few sticking points on a punch. But I do not know what the black stuff is about-no experience with that one! Foil is so thin I don't think it would provide more resistance than paper so I don't think it could damage your punch.

If you have the option of returning it to the store that might be a reasonable choice since you could get an immediate replacement. But as Don said Fiskars’ has terrific customer service and will suggest some ideas for you to try or will replace a tool if needed (you will probably be asked to send a photo).

As for you trimmer I would only use the foil with a guillotine arm type trimmer but not a round disk blade unless recommended by customer service.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:50:45 AM
That's disappointing.

I have never had a discoloration issue. Hope it is not in my future (as quality goes down). I have punched on foil and did not notice much improvement in the punch. It was awhile ago with a second hand punch, I don't remember what resolved the issue. I only had regular foil, maybe heavy duty would make a difference. Or maybe it would be too much for the punch.

With it being new, I would bring it back or contact the manufacturer's customer service.


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Posted: 1/31/2013 6:32:31 AM
Melissa, it's definitely the punches.

I've had the same issue with a couple of my Martha Stewart punches before. One was like that when I bought it and another one was like that after a few months of use. I did notice that both punches I've had trouble with are the doily/intricate ones. I asked about what to do here, and was told to try punching through some aluminum foil. It did the trick on one of them, the other punch(the one that was like that when I bought it)it doesn't get stuck or rip my paper everytime but I've figured out when I want to use it I need to run a cut through the aluminum foil first.

You could try what others have suggested and call the manufacturer or take it back to the store you purchased from.

As for the trimmer, I've never tried aluminum foil with that. Have you tried taking the blade off and putting it back on? I'm assuming it's one like that!?! I have a Fiskars one that does that but only when my blade is dulling. Sometimes you can turn them around and they will cut.

One last thing, for the punches, I think I remember someone suggesting wax paper too? But I don't recall what it's suppose to do!



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Posted: 1/31/2013 8:44:47 AM
Thank you everyone!! I will definitely try the foil for the punches. I normally will have this problem when I first punch once or twice a brand new punch, and I guess since I had two (wait it was three---and yes, LeighAnn, two were intricate punch around the page ones) punches I kinda freaked!

The "black stuff" is usually what I see along the edge of the negative and positive punch out (I know---very picky on my part! ), but I don't ~really~ see it unless I look closely. I have always figured it was left over stuff from manufacturing the metal. This black stuff has always "punched away" over time for me---thus, Don, I will be doing what you say of punching in paper over and over today.

Like Don, I have had trouble with getting customer service from Martha Stewart customer service. Which is so frustrating, but I have not had to contact Fiskar. That is great to know they have great customer service!

Jan, I would never had thought not to use foil with a trimmer! So glad I have never tried that with my other ones! Is it b/c the foil will dull the rotary blades? My rotary cutter trimmers have never given me trouble unless the blades are dull. This portable trimmer (well it is still 12" long and says "folding rotary trimmer" on the package) is a "self-sharpening blade" trimmer, so the blade runs against the edge of a metal edge---kinda like the trimmers by Cutterpillar and Genesis----or at least it ~looks~ like the same idea as those two. I thought it might cut more like my mini Tonic cutter that is a guillotine cutter (and I LOVE!!), since I do not have room for a 12" Tonic cutter right now. I was thinking of foil for this cutter b/c, like the punches, it has two metal pieces that go against each other as they cut.

Pottle, I have folded over foil before to make a more "heavy duty" foil for punching through. I don't punch through foil often, but I seem to remember this helped---but I think if you fold it too many times, it gets too think and can jam the punch....

LeighAnn I ~think~ the wax paper was to help unstick punches that get stuck often on the paper.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!


Melissa

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Posted: 1/31/2013 1:24:49 PM
You might try some fine sandpaper made for metal -- might be able to smooth the rough spots with it. You might even try a fine metal nail file.

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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:13:10 PM
Oh! I love punches, but I hate it when that happens!
If the aluminum foil doesn't work, you should try waxed paper. It won't hurt the punches. In fact, they sell a "kit" to help fix their punches. You can see one here.
Martha Stewart is manufactured by EK Success. I wouldn't buy the kit, since those things are household items, but it should ease your mind about those items being okay to use.
And if that doesn't work and you can't return it to the store, I'd contact EK Success directly.
Good luck! Sounds like you have a lemon.




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Posted: 1/31/2013 4:50:05 PM
Thanks Carolann! I'll have to look to see if I have any sandpaper that's for metal around here somewhere.

and thank you RubyRubbler for a link to what EKSuccess is selling--I do have all the items--except the wax paper---I still haven't gotten wax paper---was suppose to get some for one of the Fests.... I have to get some when we go to the store later this week! I wonder where the "punch mechanism" is located

I tried the foil---kinda worked on one and only a little on the other two. May need to use the foil a couple more times.... The black stuff is less/gone since I have punched them quite a few times today.

The trimmer is better too---but it still leaves "furry" cut edges---so I will probably just exchange it for another one. The funny thing is, if I stack 2 CS on top of each other and cut it with the trimmer, the top CS will be clean cut, but the bottom CS will be "furry"...


Melissa

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Posted: 1/31/2013 7:02:22 PM
For you punches you can try a fine sandpaper to get rid of any burrs. If you can see the burrs you can try a finger nail file and file the burrs off.

with regard to your trimmer being fuzzy, are you pushing hard enough when you are cutting? I know that when I get fuzzy cuts it is because I didn't apply enough pressure.

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Posted: 2/1/2013 8:29:41 AM
Thanks transprntbutterfly for your ideas and another vote for sandpaper---I'll have to look today in the sunlight and see if I can see any burrs. I assumed there were some since the paper/die cut was "fuzzy" in places.

I cannot push the blade down harder b/c it's a self-sharpening blade so the blade just runs along an metal edge and is in a plastic housing that is attached to a bar and I push that housing to cut the paper.

This photo I found on a blogger's site and she loves it---mine is VERY similar to this one, but mine is pink and the bar you see is in the middle of the cutter rather than the edge. I just push the blade rather than push down the blade to cut.


Melissa

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Posted: 2/1/2013 9:25:52 AM
How frustrating!

I'm in the "return them" camp. I have tried aluminum foil but it doesn't seem to do much for me. You shouldn't have to fight with a brand new tool. Be persistent. If the new punch isn't any better, return that too. I've had to do it.


Cindi


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