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PeaNut 132855 - 2/24/2004
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I can't seem to get my head around this one, but an aide at school was saying something about how they should "fry" this Mousaoui (sp?) guy and couldn't believe he got out of the death penalty. She is also very pro-life, as she has made her clear feelings known.
I can't quite figure this one out.... How can you be both? Or is this lady one-of-a-kind...?? |
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PolkaDottie
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PeaNut 182421 - 12/28/2004
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No.
I have mega issues with anti-abortion individuals who call themselves "pro-life"
Especially since most of them are pro-war and pro-death penalty.
I do not use the term "prolife". I use "anti-choice".
Calling yourself "pro life" is assuming everyone else is "pro death". Not the case.
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Crystal_GaPea
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PeaNut 183267 - 1/3/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:23:17 PM
Well, perhaps it has something to do with the child not having the choice to get aborted, whereas people eligible for the death penalty certainly have made those bad decisions to get them there; I don't know.
I'm pro-choice and pro-dealth penalty, so I think my bases are covered.  |
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PeaNut 32437 - 3/13/2002
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Uh, isn't that the definition of most conservatives/ republicans? |
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scrapperwithaview
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PeaNut 108815 - 9/28/2003
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This is very common, those that believe in it believe a baby is innocent and has done nothing wrong, whearas a criminal is guilty and has.
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yakiscrappy
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PeaNut 70082 - 2/17/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:28:30 PM
Yes. There is a big difference between killing an innocent unborn child and killing a convicted murderer. |
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StacyAngel25
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PeaNut 108225 - 9/24/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:28:39 PM
Weird question - can you be pro-life & pro-death penalty??
Yes, yes you can
Pro-life for an unborn child.
Pro-death penalty for murderers. |
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PeaNut 103889 - 8/28/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:29:26 PM
Well, I think the Catholic church position is pretty consistent -- anti-abortion and anti-death penalty.
I think it has to do with destroying innocent life for someone else's convenience vs. asking the ultimate penalty for committing a heinous crime. I can't see how the two could be confused.
I do think it odd that some people are pro-choice and anti-death penalty. It's okay to kill an unborn baby because the mother doesn't want to raise it, but executing someone who purposely, and possibly cruelly, killed an innocent person is out of the question.
So I guess my question is how can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty? |
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Beadhound
Do I have you on ignore too?
PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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blackberry lou
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PeaNut 100300 - 8/6/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:29:56 PM
I guess you could say I am.
A baby is an unknown quantity, totally innocent.
A serial rapist or mass murderer has proven himself unworthy of sustained contact with the human race.
The criminal made his choices, an aborted child never had a choice.
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PeaNut 103889 - 8/28/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:30:22 PM
What's the point of that remark, crophound? Just lowers the level of discourse. |
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PolkaDottie
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PeaNut 182421 - 12/28/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:30:59 PM
Many people who call themselves "pro life" are severely embarassed by people who give themselves that title that also support the death penalty.
Pro-life should refer to being pro life 100% of the time.
It doesn't matter whether or not you feel a baby is an innocent being and a criminal deserves to pay for his crime.
If you don't like abortion, you're anti choice.
if you like hte death penalty, you are pro-capital punishment.
The term "pro-life" should not refer to abortion alone. its just one case of an issue about "life".
I am pro-choice on abortion, and anti-death penalty. |
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pjaye
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PeaNut 111502 - 10/16/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:31:03 PM
I think you can be.
As I understand it ( I am pro-choice myself), pro life people are against terminating a pregnancy, that would be an innocent life that has never harmed anyone or done anything wrong. I don't think that would preclude say a serial killer who has tortured, raped and killed several women, getting a different reaction from them.
I think there is a very clear distinction between the two for "some" people, and I think quite a justifiable one in their eyes.
I used to be very much anti death penalty, but that was really before I knew how sick and irretrievably bad some people could be. |
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Crystal_GaPea
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PeaNut 183267 - 1/3/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:32:02 PM
So I guess my question is how can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty?
I totally agree that this is the *real* mind-boggler! |
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Beadhound
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PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:32:35 PM
I don't believe in the death penalty or abortion due to my Christian beliefs. |
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Beadhound
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PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:34:59 PM
What's the point of that remark, crophound? Just lowers the level of discourse.
I'm sorry you feel that way. My point, since you asked, was to make a joke and also because I know it won't be long until she is here and the thread goes down in a hand bag. Sorry your so easily offended by this  |
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scrapperwithaview
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PeaNut 108815 - 9/28/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:35:19 PM
So I guess my question is how can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty?
For me this is easy, I myself would never have an abortion (except for a medical issue), but I believe that others have the right to have one. On the other hand, I don't agree in revenge or vengance, so the death penalty (in the way it is played out today) is not something I can be for.
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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Of course. The people being put to death in the dealth penalty have been convicted by a jury and have had years and years of judges looking at their case to see if they deserve it. Plus they had lawyers fighting to save their life.
An unborn baby has not been convicted of any crime. There is no judge or jury that decides the unborn baby deserves to die. They don't have years and years of appeals. And they don't get a lawyer that fights in court to save their life.
There is a Giant difference in killing an unborn baby and killing somone like Ted Bundy who murdered 36 women.
One has every chance to have a normal life if given the chance. The other would murder again if given the chance.
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Beadhound
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PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:38:29 PM
The term "pro-life" should not refer to abortion alone.
This is good. I think the term "pro-life" has been so used that when people hear it they think of anti-abortion and not just what it says PRO LIFE. |
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PeaNut 103889 - 8/28/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:40:30 PM
I don't question your beliefs or say they are mind-boggling, please respect mine.
Where did I say I didn't respect yours?  The OP said she was confused by one set of beliefs, I am equally confused by the opposite, that's all.
My point, since you asked, was to make a joke and also because I know it won't be long until she is hear and the thread goes down in a hand bag.
Why is it a joke to slam someone personally who hadn't even commented on the thread? The only reason these threads go "down" as you say, is because people can't restrain themselves from mocking a particular person who has strongly held opinions opposite of their own, and turning the thread into an "isn't she ridiculous" discussion instead of civil discourse about the thread topic. I don't think that's all that funny. |
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Beadhound
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PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:43:02 PM
Ruth, I sort of agree with you. I am against abortion, but pro-choice. For me, it is against my religion and also what I believe is right, but don't you dare take my choice away or any woman's. Just because I believe one way it is not the only way or right way.
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PeaNut 108815 - 9/28/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:43:42 PM
Thanks Crystal, it means a lot.
Nightowl, I was responding to the other posts as well, sorry if you thought I meant you said that. |
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Beadhound
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PeaNut 233604 - 11/27/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:45:06 PM
Nightowl, I think it is time to either lighten up or step away from the thread for a bit. |
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:47:46 PM
Pro-life should refer to being pro life 100% of the time.
They are pro-innocent life. Ted Bundy was in jail in Colorado on trial for murdering and raping a woman he broke out and murdered three more women and rapedand almost murdered more in Florida. After Florida executed him he never did break out and murder anymore women. Killing him may have saved lives.
There is a guy in Texas I have to try and find his name who murdered two teens and put them in a trunk of a car. He was sentenced to die. But when the Surpreme Court over turned the death pentalt back in the early 1970's his sentence was changed to life. He got out of prison in the 1980's and went on to murder four more women. Giving this guy life instead of the death penalty cost four inocent women their lives. All because someone felt sorry for a guy who loves to kill. |
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blackberry lou
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PeaNut 100300 - 8/6/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:50:14 PM
If you don't like abortion, you're anti choice.
I don't know about that. I don't think anti choice is a very good way of putting it.
How about Pro Responsibility? As in, I am responsible enough to not engage in activities that could render me pregnant until I am ok with being pregnant?
I am completely for choice in the event of rape, incest and if the life of the mother is threatened. I am not for abortion when it comes down to someone who really wasn't mature enough to be screwing around getting pregnant. I am confident that the high abortion rates are not the result of rape- they are the result of poor choices.
So there you go- I'm Pro Responsibility. I don't think people should expect amnesty from their own bad decisions at the cost of someone else's life. It's selfish. |
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PolkaDottie
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PeaNut 182421 - 12/28/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:50:15 PM
I'm not against the death penalty because I "feel sorry for the criminal." Not at all.
We don't need to kill people to make society safe.
We need to have higher security in our prisons.
Killing sets a crappy example. "You killed someone! killings bad...so, WERE GONNA KILL YOU BACK!" It's an immature approach, we don't condone Hammurabi's Code anymore. |
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PolkaDottie
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PeaNut 182421 - 12/28/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:52:12 PM
Blackberry Lou, let me rephrase that.
If you don't think abortion should be a viable legal option, you are anti-choice, not pro life.
I don't use pro-life pro-choice.
I use "anti-choice" and "pro-choice anti-decision"
I'm pro choice.I believe women should have the option of abortion. I would never personall have one, and I would advise against it, (anti-decision) But I am pro-women having the choice.
If you don't think women should have the choice, you are "anti-choice" not "Prolife".
That assumes that all pro-choicers are "anti-life", or, as many of them like to accuse, "pro abortion". |
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blackberry lou
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PeaNut 100300 - 8/6/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:55:57 PM
We need to have higher security in our prisons.
how is that supposed to help?
we need to stop giving criminals a slap on the hand and sending them back into the world. I truly believe that most violent crime should be punished with a minimum of 60 years. I think if you are convicted for murder or rape and especially if a child is involved, your life should be over. You spend the rest of your life in prison, and by the time you get out you should be too old to walk, talk or screw. And I think prisons shouldn't be nearly as comfortable as they are now.
I also think people who commit non violent crimes should be punished by house arrest, parole, community service and large fines. In my opinion, people like Martha Stewart don't need to leave society, they need to payback society.
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Crystal_GaPea
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PeaNut 183267 - 1/3/2005
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 7:57:54 PM
Killing sets a crappy example. "You killed someone! killings bad...so, WERE GONNA KILL YOU BACK!" It's an immature approach, we don't condone Hammurabi's Code anymore.
See, what's funny, is that I believe that if we executed more people, our society would be better for it. I think there has to be real penalities for crimes, and I personally don't think that prison is a real penalty. Call me immature or unenlightened or whatever, but I think that if someone takes a life, they don't deserve to be on this earth, and if that message was sent that if you take a life, yours will be taken, I think that people wouldn't murder as much. I feel the same way about theft - I believe if someone knew that their hand was going to be chopped off if they stole something, they would resist the impulse to steal. Just my opinion, though; it's always interesting to see the other side of the fence. |
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PeaNut 152903 - 6/18/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:00:51 PM
I am pro life AND pro death penalty.
A baby is totally innocent. They cannot make decisions for themselves.
An adult knows better. They made the decision to kill,They knew how utterly wrong it is, and that it is the worst thing anayone could ever do, and yet they do it anyways. |
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PeaNut 140960 - 4/8/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:06:44 PM
I think we have complex minds and rationalize the differences in both pro-life/pro-death penalty and pro-choice/anti-death penalty stances. On the surface they both seem rather contradictory, but look deeper and you see the rationale (whether you agree or not). | |
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PeaNut 102835 - 8/22/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:07:09 PM
Thre is not a whole lot of crim here in Korea becuse Korean jil is so terrible. They dont even feed you. If your family dosent bring you food then you have to depend on a charity to bring your food. We could take a few lessons from them in that aspect. We do make them to comfy. Now in the case of Moussaui (sp). Now we have to spend out tax dollars to feed and house him for the rest of his life. Personally, I would rather be dead than have life without parole. I wonder if hw will bw in solitary cause som of those "good ole boys" ae gonna have fun with him if hes not. |
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PeaNut 108861 - 9/28/2003
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The difference is realy very simple. It baffles me as much as it does you that people don't see how this conclusion can be logically reached. The baby is innocent. The murderer/pedophile is not. The criminal made his choices regarding his life and it is just that he should have to pay the consequences that our society has established, which could include the death penalty. Arguably, he made that choice for himself. The baby has done no wrong, and has no choice and no defense. I'm pro-innocent life. If yyou make your own choice to give up your own life by taking someone else's, that's your fault, not mine, and not society's.
Now that's not to say that the existing death penalty system is or isn't defensible--that's a whole different ball of wax. But conceptually, the two are harmonized very logically, in my opinion. |
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:09:00 PM
If you don't think women should have the choice, you are "anti-choice" not "Prolife".
That assumes that all pro-choicers are "anti-life", or, as many of them like to accuse, "pro abortion".
Are you against any abortions? Do you support late term abortions or abortions because the unborn baby is female? |
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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If you are against any abortions at all even late term abortions done just before birth you polkadottie are anti-choice. |
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PeaNut 78403 - 3/29/2003
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I am for protecting innocent life. Those people who commit crime that they know is punishable by death have made a choice and are getting the consequences they knew were a possiblity.
I don't understand how some people don't see the difference between innocent babies and people who commit horrible crimes.
I also don't understand how people can be against killing animals for food or clothing but for killing innocent prebirth human beings. |
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KristinL16
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PeaNut 142870 - 4/20/2004
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blackberry lou
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PeaNut 100300 - 8/6/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:22:33 PM
I most definitely will be deleting this comment by tomorrow so I don't have someone pmail me thinking they may be my long lost relation.
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gamerbabe
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PeaNut 60578 - 1/4/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:25:12 PM
If you don't like abortion, you're anti choice.
I disagree. I don't like abortion. I don't think most women that have one *really* should be having one. I dislike abortion and I dislike that some women use it as birth control. I dislike that women aren't more proactive in protecting themselves from an unwanted pregnancy because "they can always abort it." I dislike that American society doesn't teach its children enough about their bodies and how to protect themselves from an unwanted pregancy. "Just abstain" isn't working here imo. I dislike abortion, it isn't an option *for me* but I also wouldn't deny someone else the right to have one. For me though, I don't think most of the abortions performed in the usa are truly neccessary. If you have an oops pregnancy, ya deal with it and dealing with it doesn't include killing off the baby.
I am pro-death penalty under certain circumstances. I wouldn't do it all willy nilly, but some monsters really should die for their crimes.
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:27:08 PM
Polkadottie you claim the term pro-life is incorrect but using your logic isn't pro-choice incorrect too?
After all everyone supports giving birth. Everyone supports adoption. So the only choice you support that I don't is abortion. So you are pro-abortion not pro-choice. |
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PeaNut 231250 - 11/11/2005
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I am pro-life and anti death penalty. I guess I see that in *some* cases that the so called "guilty" was actually "innocent" all along. So that's an instance in which another innocent individual is getting killed. You have to have faith in our justice system, which I think has its flaws and depends on human judgement.
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:28:20 PM
I'm Pro Responsibility. I don't think people should expect amnesty from their own bad decisions at the cost of someone else's life. It's selfish.
ITA. I'll never understand anyone who would support the killing of innocent unborn children and NOT the guilty criminals. There is something really, really wrong there. |
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angelag
the most ransorish pea evah
PeaNut 91412 - 6/18/2003
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Loc: Milwaukee!!
| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:31:08 PM
If you don't think abortion should be a viable legal option, you are anti-choice, not pro life.
I don't use pro-life pro-choice.
I use "anti-choice" and "pro-choice anti-decision"
This is all a matter of semantics, and frankly I don't think anyone that calls themselves pro-choice wants to be called "pro-death".
Whether you agree with someone in a debate or not, the bare minimum of respect would be to not call names.
Respectfully, you are very young. When you get older you may see that everything is not so black and white.
For the record, I consider abortion a necessary evil (I see that in some cases it is necessary, and should be legal, however that does not reduce the fact that to me, it is morally reprehensible. But, people make mistakes, and should be forgiven...and it is not my place to judge...as I mentioned above...a LOT of grey area), and to address the OP, there is a huge difference between someone who has commited multiple crimes and hurt other people, and an innocent.
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PeaNut 120041 - 12/17/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:50:41 PM
I think pro-abortion and anti-abortion correctly and effectively describe the positions. |
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~*~Michelley~*~
There's no I in team but there is a U in suck
PeaNut 117887 - 11/29/2003
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PeaNut 179732 - 12/4/2004
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 8:56:55 PM
You can absolutely be both. They are apples to oranges. A baby is innocentl, people we put to death have broken laws and taken away someone else's human rights. |
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~*~Michelley~*~
There's no I in team but there is a U in suck
PeaNut 117887 - 11/29/2003
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| Posted: 5/3/2006 9:00:14 PM
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So I guess my question is how can you be pro-choice and anti-death penalty?
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For me this is easy, I myself would never have an abortion (except for a medical issue), but I believe that others have the right to have one. On the other hand, I don't agree in revenge or vengance, so the death penalty (in the way it is played out today) is not something I can be for.
I don't question your beliefs or say they are mind-boggling, please respect mine.
I'm sorry but I don't see why her question is offensive. It is a simple question just like the OP.
You question other peoples views on things all the time Ruth, why is it all of a sudden disprespectful if someone questions yours? |
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Mommy to Sasha and Tommy
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blackberry lou
Just Can't Seem To Leave
PeaNut 100300 - 8/6/2003
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Loc: Travis AFB, CA
| Posted: 5/3/2006 9:04:09 PM
posted a little bit of personal info. re. my adoption and my siblings a couple of months ago. I had a person pmail me thinking I "may" be a sibling of theirs. It was not possible but freaked me out nonetheless, therefore I don't mind offering my opinion on a topic but want to be upfront about the fact I will be deleting it so a month from now someone doesn't start reaiding my posts and "think" I am a biological relation to them.
ok - I was very confused. thanks.
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