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PeaNut 17063 - 6/17/2001
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Is there any doubt this guy is just in it for the money?
Maybe he will pay his taxes and his traffic fines from Arizona so he can get a valid Ohio driver's license.
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PeaNut 230510 - 11/6/2005
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Is there any doubt this guy is just in it for the money?
Yeah, that was his thought when Barack Obama showed up in his neighborhood.
The guy had his life splayed open before the whole world and he lost his job.
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PeaNut 28608 - 1/29/2002
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What's with the sad face icon on your thread title, PP? Clearly you're not sad about this latest news.
I'd have gotten a lawyer if I were him, too. Whether for a book deal or to tell me how to keep the wolves at bay...
I think the book will be interesting. It will tell about how his normal life turned around the minute he decided to ask Obama a question and in turn, the Obama camp and the press tore him and his life apart.
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PeaNut 17063 - 6/17/2001
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Since it is John McCain who is making Joe a celebrity, maybe he should help him out.
I'm sorry he lost his job -- any word why? |
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PeaNut 28608 - 1/29/2002
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Grandma,
I misread your post as "When you're dealt demons..."
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PeaNut 28608 - 1/29/2002
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I don't get what you mean when you say John McCain should help out Joe because John made him a celebrity.
Can you explain? Are you implying that it's McCain's fault that the Obama campaign went after every single detail in this man's life to discredit the man in an effort to diffuse the effect that OBAMA'S words would have on the campaign and in campaign ads?
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PeaNut 17063 - 6/17/2001
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Obama talked to the man on the street. I saw all the video and Obama was very respectful and spent a lot of time with him.
Next thing we know, John McCain is mentioning him during the debate, over and over again. He has a "Joe the Plumber" bus tour, etc.
Obama can't stop reporters and bloggers from trying to find out more about this new celebrity. You all would be all over him if he tried. It's John McCain who won't let it rest.
Don't blame Obama for the wreakage of Joe's life. Most of us pay our taxes and traffic fines and don't lie about buying a plumbing company. Joe should try living by the rules. |
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PeaNut 28608 - 1/29/2002
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PP,
I guess Obama's real problem is when he decided to show up in JOe's neighborhood someone had a video camera to capture the experience. Imagine that!
Yeah, shame on Joe for not paying his taxes (and if I read correctly, a state official said it is very possible that Joe didn't know he owed taxes...), and for not paying traffic tickets (seriously, that's all you've got?). Oh, and the "lying about buying the business."
Okay. Putting all of that aside. Say that I want to do exactly what Joe the Plumber was saying, and I have paid my taxes, and I have a license, and all of that, and I ask Obama the exact same question that Joe the Plumber did. Would Obama's response be any different?
No. Because Obama was making clear his policy.
It's not about Joe the Plumber, it's about Obama's tax policy. That is what this is about, PP. And John McCain is perfectly right in showing exactly where Obama stands when someone in the same situation as Joe the Plumber confronts him.
And John McCain isn't exploiting JOe the Plumber, he's using Obama's own words to show Obama's position.
Obama may have been very respectful to Joe the Plumber when the cameras were rolling, but since the debate his campaign has done everything they can to discredit Joe the Plumber. | |
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PeaNut 33403 - 3/25/2002
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Next thing we know, John McCain is mentioning him during the debate, over and over again. He has a "Joe the Plumber" bus tour, etc.
McCain talked about Obamas REPLY to Joe....as he should...It was BO's little secret that he had not bothered to tell anyone befor that...that his intentions were to spread the wealth around.
BO is never responsible for anything that anyone else does.Wink wink..but you can bet he does not try and stop it.
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PeaNut 33403 - 3/25/2002
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Can you explain? Are you implying that it's McCain's fault that the Obama campaign went after every single detail in this man's life to discredit the man in an effort to diffuse the effect that OBAMA'S words would have on the campaign and in campaign ads?
TIA!
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PeaNut 124091 - 1/12/2004
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Good for Joe! I'm glad to see he's trying to make an opportunity out of being filleted by Obama's camp. |
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PeaNut 28608 - 1/29/2002
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Yeah, Ande, that's kinda what I thought.
Obama's not responsible for his own actions. McCain is. Just like in the last debate, when Obama didn't want negative campaign ads, but McCain started them first! So there!
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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If Obama can get a book deal before he was even famous why not Joe?
You should be glad Joe is getting a book deal then he can pay more taxes.
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PeaNut 13226 - 3/27/2001
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What will he write about?
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PeaNut 55230 - 11/9/2002
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PP - You'll never convince these posters that it was McCain who brought Joe into the limelight with his MANY references to "Joe the Plumber", they can't see the forest through the trees and coincidentally it's many of the same posters who on another thread were boo hooing "poor Joe" and how his poor life has now been torn open by the media.
It's really quite funny when you think about it and playing the same old blame and attack game that the McCain camp has had to resort to doing.
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PeaNut 90289 - 6/10/2003
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PeaNut 239162 - 12/28/2005
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There is only one candidate who announced that the rest of his campaign will be the Joe the Plumber tour. And it's ridiculous to blame the Obama campaign because the press investigated this guy and discovered unpleasant things or proved that Joe (and his former employer) would benefit from the Obama tax plan. |
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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PP - You'll never convince these posters that it was McCain who brought Joe into the limelight with his MANY references to "Joe the Plumber", they can't see the forest through the trees and coincidentally it's many of the same posters who on another thread were boo hooing "poor Joe" and how his poor life has now been torn open by the media.
It was Obama that went walking down Joe's street with video cameras running taking questions from people. Obama wanted video taken of him taking questions of the Joe of this world. The whole idea of him walking down the street and talking the people was designed to get coverage.Obama only got upset a video camera was rolling when Obama messed up and told the truth about his tax plans.
Obama and Biden have mentioned Joe almost everyday since then.
Mc Cain mention Joe but only mentioned Joe's question and Obama's answer. McCain didn't spur people to dig up dirt on Joe.
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PeaNut 390473 - 9/5/2008
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i didn't know he lost his job.  what has happened to him is riduculous and cruel. they guy cared enough about the election to sieze the opportunity to ask a cadidate a question he was wondering about. and gets repaid by having his life eviscerated for the world to see. why does asking a question, whether in front of a camera or not, give license to that? i think it got trumped up during the debates, but certainly their intent was not for this guy to get crushed like this. good for him. he should make it less about himself and more about the insane hunger for every gory detail, regardless of what the outcome will be for the subject, that has beome characteristic of MSM. i long for the days when reporters respected people's privacy when warranted and had boundaries. now it seems like if i wanted to find a picture of palin having a BM, it's just 2 clicks away on the computer. | |
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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There is only one candidate who announced that the rest of his campaign will be the Joe the Plumber tour. And it's ridiculous to blame the Obama campaign because the press investigated this guy and discovered unpleasant things or proved that Joe (and his former employer) would benefit from the Obama tax plan.
Joe never claimed he made $250,000. And why would the press care to investigate someone that just asked a question? Why check his driving record? Why look up his ex-wife?
Obama's tax plan is probably not what he will even do anyhow. Already his $1000 per family he was getting from the oil companies maybe out the door since the price of oil dropped.
Already Obama has admitted he maybe not be able to do everything he promised because of the bailout. Maybe the thing Obama won't do is his tax cuts?
Already Obama admits he will let the Bush tax cuts expire. Instant tax increase for millions.
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PeaNut 66506 - 2/2/2003
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I have mixed feelings about this. I think Joe DID put himself out there after the debates, allowed himself to be interviewed and didn't seem to mind the spotlight. However, I don't think he knew what that meant and just how much of his personal life would be fodder. Well, now its a painful lesson. It does send a signal to not put yourself in front of the camera unless you are ready to have your life splayed open. That is sad.
As far as the book deal - have at it. It's what everyone does. The question will be - who will buy it and will anyone care when it's released?
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PeaNut 80864 - 4/11/2003
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Joe (and his former employer)
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PeaNut 68440 - 2/10/2003
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"Joe the plumber" hires a lawyer to get him a book deal...Is there any doubt this guy is just in it for the money?
Yep, Joe, using his great mind powers forced Obama to walk down Joe's street, forced Obama to listen to Joe's question, and then forced Obama to made it look like Obama willing answered Joe's question for 5 minutes. And also using his great mind powers Joe forced all those bloggers and the AP to try and discredit so that Joe would be an instant celebrity. And Joe did all this because Joe is in it for the money.
The only problem with blaming this whole thing on Joe or even McCain, Obama and by extension Obama's followers, look pretty weak to be controlled by Joe and McCain.
Maybe he will pay his taxes and his traffic fines from Arizona so he can get a valid Ohio driver's license.
I think Joe should embrace the situation and follow the American Dream no matter what life throws at him.
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There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
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Sarah*H
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PeaNut 239162 - 12/28/2005
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Joe (and his former employer)
I was just repeating what Deanna typed earlier in the thread. I have no idea if Joe lost his job, nor do I give two figs about anything related to Joe. I think this episode and the "Joe the Plumber tour" has been the most amateurish and pathetic of all the 387,925 different tactics the McCain campaign has run in the last 3 months. My 7 year old ds saw the "I'm Joe the Plumber" commercial on tv this morning and asked me why anyone would make such a bad commercial. (We let him watch part of the last debate and he muttered about "Joe the Plumber" for days afterwards. Given his personality, I'm afraid we'll be hearing him complain about it for years. ) |
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PeaNut 148044 - 5/20/2004
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I misread your post as "When you're dealt demons..."
That's funny. I read the same thing and had to do a double take after the lemonade statement. My eyes must be going.
Anyway, good for Joe. I hope he makes a lot of money that a President McCain won't punish him with higher taxes over. |
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PeaNut 57636 - 12/2/2002
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Kelli said: It's not about Joe the Plumber, it's about Obama's tax policy.
Kelli, the dems KNOW that!  They are just trying to DEFLECT away from Obamas plan. We might otherwise connect his plan to pit the poor against the rich. It's always been that way--divide and conquer.
For Doxielady: "I" for one will buy his book! Just to support him until he can get his life back in order, if nothing else. That is what people do--they help people out, and that man will be back on his own very soon. He's not asking for welfare, afterall! He's being resourceful. What a great picture of capitalism!! Maybe he'll run for office sometime. |
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PeaNut 66506 - 2/2/2003
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For Doxielady: "I" for one will buy his book! Just to support him until he can get his life back in order, if nothing else. That is what people do--they help people out, and that man will be back on his own very soon. He's not asking for welfare, afterall! He's being resourceful. What a great picture of capitalism!!
 Good for you! (I mean that sincerely) That is how it should work.
Me? No. I won't buy it. I'll wait for the Joe The Plumber movie. Now, who should play Joe?
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PeaNut 55356 - 11/10/2002
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Good for him; I LOVE capitalism!
I do NOT care(!) that Senator McCain mentioned his question and the answer Senator Obama provided him once or ad nauseum during the debate. The constitution of this great nation affords that WE the people are to choose who our next President will be. One of the ways that we can best do that is to be informed. So asking questions, whether hypothetical (as in Joe the Plumber's question) or ones that accurately reflect a given situation in our lives IS legitament.
This man has been maligned and subjected to accusations of being a fraud, etc. I want to know when, WHEN(!) did it become a 'crime' to ask the candidates a question and to disagree with a candidate's position and policy. I know (from my point of view) that Senator Obama will be taking this country down a Marxist path, but we aren't there yet; and, I believe we still have the freedom do disagree with our politicians and not necessarily hold to their party lines.
Are you really willing to elect someone, such as Senator Obama, who would (yes, I believe that his campaign folks do NOTHING without his knowledge) DO anything to hinder and prevent you from speaking out against him.
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I'll wait for the Joe The Plumber movie. Now, who should play Joe?
Well JOE of course!! THAT would be a GREAT story wouldn't it? From plumber to star! |
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PeaNut 68440 - 2/10/2003
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It's not about Joe the Plumber, it's about Obama's tax policy. That is what this is about, PP. And John McCain is perfectly right in showing exactly where Obama stands when someone in the same situation as Joe the Plumber confronts him.
And John McCain isn't exploiting JOe the Plumber, he's using Obama's own words to show Obama's position.
Obama may have been very respectful to Joe the Plumber when the cameras were rolling, but since the debate his campaign has done everything they can to discredit Joe the Plumber.
Exactly.
PP - You'll never convince these posters that it was McCain who brought Joe into the limelight with his MANY references to "Joe the Plumber", they can't see the forest through the trees and coincidentally it's many of the same posters who on another thread were boo hooing "poor Joe" and how his poor life has now been torn open by the media.
Without Obama's answer, there is no Joe. Because of Obama's answer, the media attempted to discredit Joe to distract from what Obama said and how McCain called Obama on it. It is right to decry the vile attack and belittling of Joe as someone who dares ask Obama about his plans and his views. It's right to boo hoo poor Joe and show disgust at the media for their actions.
What's done is done, and now there's no problem with Joe using this to his advantage.
It's really quite funny when you think about it and playing the same old blame and attack game that the McCain camp has had to resort to doing.
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I think I'm experiencing deja vu, over and over, and over, and over....
have no idea if Joe lost his job, nor do I give two figs about anything related to Joe. I think this episode and the "Joe the Plumber tour" has been the most amateurish and pathetic of all the 387,925 different tactics the McCain campaign has run in the last 3 months.
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PeaNut 17063 - 6/17/2001
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Sasha and Newbie, you are voices of reason. And class.
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I do NOT care(!) that Senator McCain mentioned his question and the answer Senator Obama provided him once or ad nauseum during the debate. The constitution of this great nation affords that WE the people are to choose who our next President will be. One of the ways that we can best do that is to be informed. So asking questions, whether hypothetical (as in Joe the Plumber's question) or ones that accurately reflect a given situation in our lives IS legitament.
I agree.
This man has been maligned and subjected to accusations of being a fraud, etc. I want to know when, WHEN(!) did it become a 'crime' to ask the candidates a question and to disagree with a candidate's position and policy. I know (from my point of view) that Senator Obama will be taking this country down a Marxist path, but we aren't there yet; and, I believe we still have the freedom do disagree with our politicians and not necessarily hold to their party lines.
Yep. I doesn't matter a wit what Joe is or is not, the Obama's answer to the question is the same.
Obama's tax plan doesn't change, Obama lying when he says we haven't given a break to those that make less then $250,000, doesn't change. (Bush tax cuts did go for those under $250,000.)
Obama's views on spreading the wealth by taking from those who are now successful to make those that follow them 10 years later (supposedly better faster) doesn't change. And Obama's view that from the bottom up is better for everybody, doesn't change. By the way, it's that same type of attitude and views that created the housing disaster.
And Obama's view that if the Joes of the country have success that Obama needs to make sure those behind them have success by taking from their success doesn't change. Again, the need to make the chance for success for everyone, even if they haven't put the work in to succeed, is the same type of view that started the housing disaster and the effect on the economy for everyone.
Are you really willing to elect someone, such as Senator Obama, who would (yes, I believe that his campaign folks do NOTHING without his knowledge) DO anything to hinder and prevent you from speaking out against him.
This is actually a good reason why NOT to vote for Obama. Is the media going to be any different if he was elected president, no, they'll still go after people who question his policies and attempt to discredit and shut them down. |
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There is no such thing as consensus science. If it's consensus, it isn't science. If it's science, it isn't consensus. Period.
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 10:09:53 AM
If there is a market in America for this idiot's book, I will move to Canada and gladly pay higher taxes.
Why is he an idiot? He asked a question that got Obama to tell the truth about his tax plans. He did far more than anyone in the MSM to reveal the true Obama.
Why call someone a name just because they asked a question?
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"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
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aka Sasha
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PeaNut 162449 - 8/12/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 10:18:57 AM
I personally think people that don't pay taxes ARE idiots. Maybe you disagree but just because someone is a Republican doesn't make me gloss over his tax lien. |
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StuckOnPeas
PeaNut 257022 - 4/10/2006
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 | Posted: 10/24/2008 10:25:55 AM
Joe lost his job? I hadn't heard.
I had not heard this either, but expected it. He did call attention to his employer from the IRS, (amount Joe said company makes does not match what is turned in on taxes) The State of Ohio, (taxes and lack of license)and the Plumbers Union (working someone without a membership or apprenticeship). Add to that the days that he took off for trips for interviews.
I honestly don't know if there will even be a market out there for his book, once the election is over. Everything about him and his story is available on line for free. I wish him luck (and less taxes) in whatever direction he takes. | |
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what we see depends on where we stand
PeaNut 17063 - 6/17/2001
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 10:28:34 AM
I want to know how this idiot got a valid Ohio's driver's license. He has unpaid fines from Arizona -- guess that doesn't surprise me -- where he had a moving violation and was driving without insurance. Then he comes to Ohio and somehow  his Arizona record didn't show up, so he got an Ohio license.
Shouldn't someone be screaming about invalid driver's licenses? Or does that only happen when someone tries to vote?
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StuckOnPeas
PeaNut 257022 - 4/10/2006
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 10:36:51 AM
I want to know how this idiot got a valid Ohio's driver's license. He has unpaid fines from Arizona -- guess that doesn't surprise me -- where he had a moving violation and was driving without insurance. Then he comes to Ohio and somehow his Arizona record didn't show up, so he got an Ohio license.
Shouldn't someone be screaming about invalid driver's licenses?
According to the article that I read about it...there was some sort of mix up the entry by Arizona and Ohio did realize that he had a suspended license. Ohio did say that if they get the information, his Ohio license will be suspended. | |
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 11:24:17 AM
I personally think people that don't pay taxes ARE idiots. Maybe you disagree but just because someone is a Republican doesn't make me gloss over his tax lien.
Do you know the details of why he didn't pay? Maybe he had medical bills or other bills that over whelmed him that year?
Maybe he was fighting for his child's custody and it took every dime he had?
If you vote Democratic you will be putting Charles Rangel in charge of writing tax laws. Rangel was caught evading over $80,000 on income taxes in off shore income.
Bill Clinton while president had to pay %20,000 in back taxes. Why wasn't he an idiot?
While it is not good that Joe had a tax lien at least he is not running for office and he is not writing our tax laws.
Our economy is in the tank because idiots in congress wanted to force banks to give loans to people that wouldn't or couldn't pay them back. And you can bet most of them also didn't pay their property taxes. Yet instead of trashing them you trash someone that just asked a question. |
"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama Dreams From My Father pg 93
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 11:46:56 AM
If Joe had only evaded paying taxes in 16 states like Al Franken did the Democrats would nominate him to run for senate. |
"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama Dreams From My Father pg 93
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 1:50:32 PM
The Clintons had to pay $14,615 in back taxes and interest. I guess they are idiots too?
From Barbara Olson’s tremendous book, “Hell To Pay,†pp 138-144:
The story intensified in April 1994, when the first couple was forced to pay an additional $14,615 in back taxes and interest after it was learned that the first lady had made more money on commodity trades than had been revealed to the public or to the IRS.36
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"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama Dreams From My Father pg 93
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
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aka Sasha
I apologize in advance for what I might write
PeaNut 162449 - 8/12/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 2:12:35 PM
KD, you'll never get an argument from me that the Clintons/Rangel or anyone else are idiots for not paying taxes.
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kimberlydobbs
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PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 2:30:37 PM
No one on the left claims this guy shouldn't be asking questions.
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June 2, 2008 -- PROFESSIONAL angry person Keith Olbermann favors tax-and-spend liberals, but he didn't pay his own taxes. OlbermannWatch.com reports that New York state has issued a tax warrant or judgment against the MSNBC host for $2,269.50 in back taxes owed by his personal corporation, Olbermann Broadcasting Empire Inc. Asked about the delinquency the other night by journalist Evan Gahr, the otherwise loquacious Olbermann uttered nary a word as he scurried into Trump Palace, where he bought condo apartment 40B last year, according to public records. "This was a bookkeeping disagreement between Keith's accountants and the state which was resolved months ago," an MSNBC spokesman told Page Six. Gahr was surprised to see Olbermann on foot. "Is the belt-tightening so severe at NBC that the peacock network can't afford a car to take Olbermann home?" he wondered. "If so, there's a bright side for Olbermann: Nobody can call him a limousine liberal."
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"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama Dreams From My Father pg 93
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
Dreams From My Father Page 100 | |
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kimberlydobbs
Pealiticly Incorrect Pea
PeaNut 141278 - 4/10/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 2:32:48 PM
Sasha, what Joe owed in back taxes is minor compared to democrats like Al Sharpton who owes 1.5 million.
Yet there are no attacks on left wing blogs against Sharpton. |
"I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped,and booze;maybe a little blow when you could afford it." Barack Obama Dreams From My Father pg 93
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist Professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets."
Dreams From My Father Page 100 | |
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PeaNut 138465 - 3/24/2004
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 4:14:12 PM
Yep, Joe, using his great mind powers forced Obama to walk down Joe's street, forced Obama to listen to Joe's question, and then forced Obama to made it look like Obama willing answered Joe's question for 5 minutes. And also using his great mind powers Joe forced all those bloggers and the AP to try and discredit so that Joe would be an instant celebrity.
Wow! If Joe really did all this, then I think he should just forget the book deal and run for president! We need his superpowers in the White House. He'd definitely get my vote. I'll bet he could look through the walls of a cave and find Bin Laden! |
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PeaNut 49249 - 9/16/2002
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| Posted: 10/24/2008 8:34:08 PM
Are you really willing to elect someone, such as Senator Obama, who would (yes, I believe that his campaign folks do NOTHING without his knowledge) DO anything to hinder and prevent you from speaking out against him.
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I do not feel obliged to believe the same God that has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use. --Galileo Galilei
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