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Posted: 11/10/2009 1:59:00 PM
business owners can choose how they are going to do business and I as a consumer choose how to spend my money. If I don't like how a company chooses to do business they don't get my money. simple as that.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:11:43 PM

The happenings with Donna Downey is what brought me out of lurkdom.

same here, and I suppose I can thank donna for making 2peas a part of my daily life now.

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the thing that bugged me about the whole pe@ce/donna thing wasn't so much that there was a cut-off date that pe@ce had missed. I get that. I would hope that donna would be smart enough to relent in extenuating circumstances like pe@ce's, but if not, so be it ... it's her business.

what drove me right over the edge was not allowing pe@ce to sell or give away her paid-for spot, but planning to replace her off the wait list (why would there be a wait list if there are no replacements allowed?) and collecting twice for the same spot. totally grasping, trashy, and REALLY bad business.

(and I didn't know about the paypal thing till now, either ... TOTALLY bad business)

I'm not actively boycotting donna downey ... I just lost tons of respect for her over that incident and don't really have any desire to buy anything with her name on it.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:26:22 PM

what drove me right over the edge was not allowing pe@ce to sell or give away her paid-for spot, but planning to replace her off the wait list (why would there be a wait list if there are no replacements allowed?) and collecting twice for the same spot. totally grasping, trashy, and REALLY bad business.

(and I didn't know about the paypal thing till now, either ... TOTALLY bad business)



I can understand having a strong cancelation policy, I can understand no refunds after a certain date because of the materials purchased. But I can't understand PLANNING to resell spots for cancellations without refunding the original purchaser. My company hosts a variety of inexpensive and expensive events and we keep a waiting list, but we refund the original person IF we can resell their spot.

I saw some of the Prima/DD fabric items at my LSS - some of the tags were cute, but I just can't get past Inspiregate.

And if Donna read the terms of her credit card agreement, she can't refund a credit card in anyway other than in the original terms of payment. So she's in breach of her TOA with Visa/MasterCard.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:34:53 PM
I know this happened a while back, but Peace (Sharon) is still fighting her battle with cancer - she had yet another surgery just weeks ago and she is still recovering as she battles this beast every single day. And knowing that Sharon is still putting up a strong fight makes me mad at DD all over again. For DD this was a "business" decision, for Sharon, it is the fight of her life. Compassion. It goes a long way in life - including in business practices - and DD showed none, not even with the empty apology, which I never felt was given willingly, but rather out of desperation to cover her ass which was getting kicked to the curb.

I stand by my boycott. And I pass along Sharon's story whenever the question arises regarding product purchases and choices.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:40:16 PM

Donna Downey is a famous designer.
Famous? I wouldn't see her that way. There were plenty of Peas, myself included, who had no idea who she was. I am sure she likes to think of herself as famous, but she's not on my radar or that of those I scrap with regularly.
A Pea was enrolled in her very expensive workshop. That pea contracted cancer and had to have difficult, invasive surgery at the same time as the workshop. Donna Downey refused to allow the pea to have a refund, to exchange her spot for one in a future class, or to give/sell the spot to someone else.
Greed, without a doubt. I get the no refund, but not allow someone else to come in their place? What a wicked witch!
Peas came down REALLY hard on her....she finally relented and agreed to refund her, but only to save face. She demonstrated her true colors in the initial refusal and in the excessive amount of time and persuading it took her to finally do the right thing.
No freaking kidding. You nailed it right there. The woman is a snake of the worst kind. The woman wasn't wanting to go to a spa. She needed to have life saving surgery for crying out loud!

ETA: 2 Peas came out smelling like a rose though. Mely sent pe@ce a big box of get-well goodies. Honestly, DD behaved terribly, but the way the twopeas community responded to protect one of our own, and the way the twopeas company responded with generosity was really cool.
I will say, that the way Melly responded was very heartwarming and I've recommended this site for several people to make purchases because of it.

A pox on the horrid, awful Donna Downey! She should slink off to her sewer, I'm sure her pack is missing their rat!


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Posted: 11/10/2009 2:50:11 PM
Kathy -

And DD refunded it through Paypal (even though it was originally paid for with a credit card. Paypal took their cut so Sharon actually didn't get the whole amount refunded.



Day-um!!!!!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:05:01 PM

And DD refunded it through Paypal (even though it was originally paid for with a credit card. Paypal took their cut so Sharon actually didn't get the whole amount refunded.


I suppose this shouldn't surprise me given the character that DD showed, but it does. This woman can't seem to do the right thing with a road map placed in her hand.

Didn't Ten Seconds Studio also come forward with an offer of supplies? There are some really good businesses out there to spend your money with. The DDs of the scrapworld are not worth the effort.

I have gotten rid of the DD stuff that was in my scrap room. I will never spend a penny that would end up in her pocket.



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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:08:53 PM
I'm saying this very quietly but...... I've never heard of Donna Downey

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:12:40 PM
Does anyone know how her business is doing since Inspiregate? Has it been impacted? It would be interesting to find out.

It was handled very, very poorly by DD and her minion.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:39:19 PM
Putting on my flame-proof suit here...and stepping away for atleast a few hours.

But...If as you say, DD agreed to the refund against her policy, because peas said they would boycott her otherwise... Is it right to push for a boycott when she did what you demanded? Peas are saying that she was pushed into doing it to avoid a boycott, yet peas are still quite vocally boycotting her and urging others to do so as well.

Something about that doesn't sound quite right or fair either. It sounds like she was bullied with the "promise" of making things right by pea standards, and peas ending the war and boycott.

That said, I'm glad the original pea was able to get through the surgery successfully, get a refund, and forgive DD herself. It does sound like re-selling the ticket was an easy option that would have not caused a loss for either party. I wasn't around, and I have no idea why that wasn't something immediately possible.

What troubles me honestly, is why women are so willing to try to take any other successful woman down a notch or two, over pretty much anything. There but for the grace of God go I. I make mistakes pretty much all the time. Fortunately, I'm not nearly so visible or successful, or I'm sure there would be a lynch mob for me as well one day. I wish we could be more supportive of others and give the benefit of the doubt.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:48:29 PM
I missed the original thread about Donna Downey. I have attended some of her workshops and met her a few times. I actually liked her and her products. HOWEVER, after reading the original thread about her lack of common sense and basic customer service skills, I too will not be buying any of her products.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:53:25 PM

Peas are saying that she was pushed into doing it to avoid a boycott, yet peas are still quite vocally boycotting her and urging others to do so as well.


You are missing many, many, many nuances of a gigantic thread. It wasn't as if the whole peadom said "DD you better give Pe@ce her money back or we will never buy your products again!"

DD had several opportunities to act like an upstanding business person and chose not to do so. After how many pages (?) she begrudgingly made a deal with Pe@ce then there continued to be problems after that. If you haven't read the thread, I might suggest doing so because reading the very brief synopsis here just doesn't do the situation justice.

And really...have you never heard of putting your money where your mouth is? How many people refuse to shop at Wal-Mart because of their business practices? Is this different because DD is a small business? A woman? A pea? She made horrific business decisions and it bit her in the ass.

ETA: THe original thread had 22 pages and more than 50,000 views.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:53:38 PM

What troubles me honestly, is why women are so willing to try to take any other successful woman down a notch or two, over pretty much anything.


I m a feminist and I disagree with this wholeheartedly. A businessperson is a businessperson regardless of what parts they have. If you are going to do business, woman or not, you have to play with the big guys. You can't whine that you're a woman and other women should understand. You cannot be unscrupulous or greedy. You should have a good business sense and DD does not. Too bad for her. If you disregard the wants and needs of your target demographic, you're sunk.

I don't understand this "women should lift women up" regardless of the attitudes of the woman in question. I look at the individual. Not the chromosomes. I'd rather give a smart, fair, scrupulous businessMAN my dollars than a woman who doesn't know what she's doing.

You make foolish errors, you're not successful for long. Them's the breaks.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:54:40 PM

Something about that doesn't sound quite right or fair either. It sounds like she was bullied with the "promise" of making things right by pea standards, and peas ending the war and boycott.


Nope, not how it happened. There is a link to the original thread if you have time to read it - it went on for 8 or so pages. Not a small deal.

I chose my boycott before DD gave her half hearted apology. She tried to make it Sharon's fault. She blamed others. She did all sorts of bad things for a business and on a human level.

I don't need her personally to suffer. I personally have forgiven her and don't feel the need to punish her person. So, if we happened to meet in public ( I have no idea what she looks like ) I wouldn't care or do anything about it.

I will not help her succeed in a business setting based on her chosen business path and policies. So, I will boycott and when asked will share the story.

For me, you can't kick a cancer patient while she is down and the continually kick her and be rude and FINALLY apologize in fear of your business suffering without consequences.

For me the consequences are that I will not use her product. I had not heard of her before this drama, but I have halted my purchasing online at least 5 times since b/c I realized something I liked was made by her.



That said, I'm glad the original pea was able to get through the surgery successfully, get a refund, and forgive DD herself. It does sound like re-selling the ticket was an easy option that would have not caused a loss for either party. I wasn't around, and I have no idea why that wasn't something immediately possible.


That wasn't very clear to me either, but I too am thankful that Sharon made it through that surgery and I continue to send her prayers and positive thoughts on her continued journey!!!


What troubles me honestly, is why women are so willing to try to take any other successful woman down a notch or two, over pretty much anything.


I am sorry you see it this way. Would it change your mind if you knew that her husband was also involved in the drama, so this isn't a case of women vs. women?


There but for the grace of God go I.


I have issues with this theology and have posted previously about it, so won't bring that into this thread.


I make mistakes pretty much all the time. Fortunately, I'm not nearly so visible or successful, or I'm sure there would be a lynch mob for me as well one day.


only if you tried to pull a business stunt and make money off of a person diagnosed with cancer. If you DID decide to do that and it was brought to a board such as ours, yep, you probably would face a virtual lynch mob.

If you made an honest mistake and tried to correct it without blaming the cancer patient, I am sure forgiveness on many levels would be granted. At least for me it would be.


I wish we could be more supportive of others and give the benefit of the doubt.


And I wish that business owners would realize that they are in biz due to the support of people like me. People who work hard for their money and who have lives and faces! People who don't deserve to be kicked when they are down. People who appreciate a sincere apology and love the underdog being helped up - as in the actions of Melly P and the other company who sent love to Sharon.

Benefit of the doubt on this matter expired after the first few posts from DD and Co. She had more than a few chances and each time she screwed herself.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:56:00 PM
Honestly I followed the entire debacle when it first happened and I was genuinely appalled by DD's behavior. She was only concerned about her professional reputation which is why she refunded the money in the first place but only after pressure by the community. I understand there are rules in place but every once in a while rules are meant to be bent. Have a little heart for crying out loud.

Bad business IMHO !!!


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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:56:47 PM
You know - anyone can be great, nice, kind, inspiring, friendly, provide great customer service, etc., in the GOOD times.

It's the bad times when their real character shines though. I learned this the hard way with an ebay seller, and I saw the same thing with DD. I think we do have an obligation to continue to share this story. Then people can make their own choice as to whether or not to patronize her.

She gets a from me.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 3:57:12 PM

Putting on my flame-proof suit here...and stepping away for atleast a few hours.

But...If as you say, DD agreed to the refund against her policy, because peas said they would boycott her otherwise... Is it right to push for a boycott when she did what you demanded? Peas are saying that she was pushed into doing it to avoid a boycott, yet peas are still quite vocally boycotting her and urging others to do so as well.

Something about that doesn't sound quite right or fair either. It sounds like she was bullied with the "promise" of making things right by pea standards, and peas ending the war and boycott.

That said, I'm glad the original pea was able to get through the surgery successfully, get a refund, and forgive DD herself. It does sound like re-selling the ticket was an easy option that would have not caused a loss for either party. I wasn't around, and I have no idea why that wasn't something immediately possible.

What troubles me honestly, is why women are so willing to try to take any other successful woman down a notch or two, over pretty much anything. There but for the grace of God go I. I make mistakes pretty much all the time. Fortunately, I'm not nearly so visible or successful, or I'm sure there would be a lynch mob for me as well one day. I wish we could be more supportive of others and give the benefit of the doubt.
beachgurl, have you read the original thread (all umpteen pages of it?). Because it was the tone and the business practice itself that we choose to boycott. Those of us who no longer pay for her products or support her endeavors made that choice based upon how this situation was handled from start to finish. It was a true reflection of how DD was double dipping and it showed that money will always come before people for her. And yes, she [partially] refunded Sharon's money (after much badgering), but there has never been an indication that this was anything other than a one time exception to the rule due to the public outcry. Had there not been the public outcry, I am pretty sure that Sharon would have been SOL in regard to a refund. And I am also pretty sure that the double dip would have happened yet again.

People who are something of celebrity in the scrapbook world build their business based upon their reputation. And because this is how they get to the top, it is also how they fall to the bottom. It happens far too often and those of us who have spent hundreds of dollars to attend events and buy the products are fed up with being taken advantage of.

FTR, I boycott one particular restaurant and one particular brand of candy products for the very same reason. That's how I roll. I've been boycotting "Friendly's" restaurant for over 10 years and don't think I will ever change my mind on that.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:07:31 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I'd almost forgotten about the incident.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:09:17 PM

'cause I don't want the good to be left out...


Didn't Ten Seconds Studio also come forward with an offer of supplies?


They sent me a class kit for free!!! I was touched. It was awesome!!

(FYI... I had that May5th surgery, another Sept 18th and again Oct 27th. The good news is they thought they were going to have to take my upper left jaw and reconstruct with my fibula but they didn't have to. The cancer lifted out this last time, was not attached or embedded in the bone. They drilled out as much as they could and put a bunch of fat/tissue from my thigh in my face. I have a big scar on my face - and my thigh-but I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested)


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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:12:38 PM

but I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon


WOOOOOO HOOOOOOO! What an awesome update!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:13:28 PM

'cause I don't want the good to be left out...

Didn't Ten Seconds Studio also come forward with an offer of supplies?



They sent me a class kit for free!!! I was touched. It was awesome!!

(FYI... I had that May5th surgery, another Sept 18th and again Oct 27th. The good news is they thought they were going to have to take my upper left jaw and reconstruct with my fibula but they didn't have to. The cancer lifted out this last time, was not attached or embedded in the bone. They drilled out as much as they could and put a bunch of fat/tissue from my thigh in my face. I have a big scar on my face - and my thigh-but I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested)



Sharon, thank you for sharing this!!!! I teared up again! I am very angry at cancer right now, and hearing you conquer it really brightened my day!

HUGS!!!!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:14:33 PM
I hope that when the day comes that each of us do something we regret,
the people in our lives give us a second chance. It's really unfortunate that you cannot.


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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:17:08 PM

I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested
I love hearing this news . And OF COURSE we are interested . We have come to love you in a very special way and many of us have kept you in our thoughts and prayers these past several months. Even my teenagers ask how my "Pea friend with sinus cancer" is doing. I sincerely pray that one day soon we will be able to open a thread that says you are cancer free! What a day of celebration that will be.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:19:38 PM
Sharon -- that is wonderful news! What a hard battle you've been fighting. My thoughts are with you.

I was wondering why DD was on everyone's sh*tlist and now I know. Sounds like a bad business move on the part of a greedy person. Everyone makes mistakes, I suppose, but thee's a big difference between something being *forgiven* and something being *forgotten.*

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:21:25 PM

But...If as you say, DD agreed to the refund against her policy, because peas said they would boycott her otherwise... Is it right to push for a boycott when she did what you demanded? Peas are saying that she was pushed into doing it to avoid a boycott, yet peas are still quite vocally boycotting her and urging others to do so as well.

Something about that doesn't sound quite right or fair either.


Without reading how others have answered you.....

It very well might not be fair. That's just why the whole thing was such a poor way to try to conduct business - life is not fair and business depends on their company's GOOD WILL value. It is an intangible asset.

You've heard the saying "The customer is always right."? Business people tell themselves that over and over and over because they are dependent upon the whim of the public to buy their goods or services.

There is no profit for a business that whines and cries in the stereotypically female characteur that reminds us of our once second-class status. Why in the world should proud women who work hard to earn real money pay such a terrible role model for items that are easily interchangeable with others already on the market?

Her products may be marketable, but her poor service did her in. Businesses fail every day for poor service.

A limp apology didn't improve her business asset of Good Will.

Business is a risky venture. That's why we like to reward entrepreneurs when they do pull it all together in a good way.


Life ain't fair, baby!


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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:21:57 PM

I hope that when the day comes that each of us do something we regret,
the people in our lives give us a second chance. It's really unfortunate that you cannot.


I find nothing unfortunate in standing up for what is right and for a fellow human being who was dealt a disease as well as a horrible business to fight in the same week.

You and I probably have differing value systems *shrug* that is fine with me!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:24:08 PM
Oh my gosh Peace, what a lot you have through. I sincerely hope you get the all clear very soon. You are a very gracious person by the sound of it.

AKathy - Can I ask how you coped at the class, was it terribly uncomfortable?

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:33:43 PM
One thing I can't remember, was this the time where the infamous saying, "so there" came from or was that another scrapbook celebrity?

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:36:49 PM
Awesome update on your health Sharon!!!

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I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested)

Awesome, Pe@ce! I'm so happy for you. What an ordeal you've been through. Take care.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:41:00 PM

I hope that when the day comes that each of us do something we regret,
the people in our lives give us a second chance. It's really unfortunate that you cannot.



I think regretting it because you realize you acted like a crappy human being and are genuinely remorseful about the behavior is one thing. Regretting it begrudgingly because it negatively affected your bottom line is entirely another.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:45:39 PM

I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested)


heck YES we're interested! that's wonderful news ... congrats & best wishes!


One thing I can't remember, was this the time where the infamous saying, "so there" came from or was that another scrapbook celebrity?

that was stacy julian, about the stupid heidi swapp class thing. I wasn't even here then and I know about that. LOL

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:48:00 PM

I hope that when the day comes that each of us do something we regret, the people in our lives give us a second chance. It's really unfortunate that you cannot.

I'm sure the people in donna's life (family, friends) have forgiven her. I, however, am not a "person in her life." I am a customer. Not my job to give her a second chance if I don't feel like it.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:51:00 PM

One thing I can't remember, was this the time where the infamous saying, "so there" came from or was that another scrapbook celebrity?


Okay, here is the 'gate history as I know it - I'll give the very brief versions:

No, that was an SJ debacle based a private email that was inadvertently sent to more than the intended party. After that, she posted a picture of the troops on her blog saying that there were bigger problems in the world than a mishandled email, and that only perpetuated the problem.

To be clear, the HS debacle was not over the bad rubs or the move to China, it was over the crappy class she was doing for The Big Picture. Remember how the assignments were really lame - like make a popcorn ball or something like that? There was no actual class, just half-hearted assignments that had nothing to do with the class description. So everyone wrote to SJ, who owns BPS, complaining about the class materials and the deviation from the class description. There were a bunch of angry woman who came together to complain (it was a Yahoo group for the class).

And now that I think about it, the SJ "so there" was sent to the HS class members instead of HS herself. And after the "so there" was sent, then the troop picture was posted, which only made the problem worse because the picture was not her own, and was used without permission (it was a picture that someone in her office shared with her). Plus, she tried to deflect things by using the war - which never goes over well no matter who does it.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:53:55 PM

I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon


Fabulous news indeed! We have never met or posted to each other on this board that I know of, but I am so glad to see another person kick cancer's a$$.

I got back way quicker from my errand, woohoo, and popped in to see if I was burned to a crisp yet.

I'll admit I only skimmed the lengthy original post, and was relying more on what was written here. Perhaps there is more history with her (DD) than I realize, I was thinking it was only this one incident.

Regarding being a feminist and treating men and women the same in business. I'll agree with that obviously, I just never see people get into such a frenzy to destroy a man who makes a mistake, or bad business decision. Men never seem to bother with it, they just move on, and women only seem to go after women. That might not be the case, but it has been what my experience has been, and what I have seen. That is why I see it as a shame.

Regarding the double dipping or intending to re-sell the space again herself, and keep the entire proceeds- again, obviously this is just plain wrong. I wouldn't do it and most people I know wouldn't do it. But then, that is part of the reason why others are more financially successful than I am. I'm often just not willing to do what it seems to take. I think plenty of event promoters do exactly that, and are doing quite well for themselves. I know for a fact that that a large SB company does the same exact thing, but it is a corporation ran by men, rather than a business with a visible woman out front. I never hear anyone complain about them and they are making money hand over fist. People line up and wait to buy their products.

We all make mistakes and have poor judgement at times, if this was a one time thing, I'll just look the other way.

ETA: OK, this was too funny/ironic to me not to post. It was the postscript above my post.

Compassion is free. If we give it and we're wrong, we're left no worse off than we were before. ~Batya

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:56:10 PM
Sharon - AWESOME update! Whoooot! Thank you for letting us know!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:56:35 PM

We all make mistakes and have poor judgement at times, if this was a one time thing, I'll just look the other way.


I have never seen anything indicating it has happened more than once.


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Posted: 11/10/2009 4:58:20 PM
I had no idea this was going on. Pe@ce I am glad you are doing well. I hope you are cancer free soon. I will have to read the 21 pages later. I had no feeling either way about DD but when you have your own business I think you have to go to the ends of the earth to make people happy. Especially when your target audience is a pretty small group that is very vocal and communicates with each other often.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:01:39 PM

AKathy - Can I ask how you coped at the class, was it terribly uncomfortable?

It actually wasn't too bad. The instructors and students were wonderful and a few Peas were gracious enough to hang around with me so I wouldn't feel so alone. Thanks for asking

ETA:

I hope that when the day comes that each of us do something we regret, the people in our lives give us a second chance. It's really unfortunate that you cannot.

You know, I'm all about second chances but in my opinion Donna was given more than one second chance. She responded here and called both Sharon and myself on the phone before she finally agreed to a refund 2-3 days after the fact.
Is it Maya Angelou who says, "When a person shows you who they really are, believe them" ? I think DD showed her true self in her posts on that original thread.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:03:35 PM

I am pretty sure (fingers crossed) that I will be deemed cancer free soon- just my little update in case anybody was interested)
Thanks for the update. I hope you do receive that good news soon.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:04:54 PM
YAY Sharon! You beter believe we want to know how you're doing!


Bead - this is where the infamous "Who Cares?" came into play

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:17:28 PM
I, too, found Batya's signature a little ironic, given her post on this topic.

I do not know Donna, have never taken a class from her. I have a few of her products and have found them to be well constructed and good quality. And I did, in fact, read the whole thread when it first was happening.

What I find interesting is that so many people, who, like Lucy, do not personally "know" Donna, are so very capable of telling her real intent. Really? You know what was in her heart and mind when she apologized? I would think that the Peas, of all people, would know how much writing on a message board distorts inflection, tone and definitely intent. It may very well be that her heart was NOT in it, but how do you (all those who are boycotting and continuing to spread the boycott months later) really know that from a single thread (albeit a long one) typed in the heat of the moment and what was probably an extraordinarily stressful time for DD?

I absolutely feel for Sharon and wish her the very best in her treatment and the best of health in the future.

I guess I just feel that for my own own soul's sake, I should forgive when an apology is given and it is not my place to judge whether or not the apology was sincere in the first place.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:23:01 PM
You will be in my prayers, Pe@ce.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:45:12 PM

What I find interesting is that so many people, who, like Lucy, do not personally "know" Donna, are so very capable of telling her real intent. Really? You know what was in her heart and mind when she apologized?

excuse me?

I don't believe I said a word about donna's apology ETA or her intent. my complaint was mostly with her refusal to allow pe@ce to sell her spot, while simultaneously taking names on her web site for a wait list in case of any "openings."

i.e., double dipping. and yes, I saw it with my own eyes on her web site.

ETA: and I don't find anything ironic about batya's quotation in her siggy. perhaps DONNA should have thought about showing some compassion to pe@ce.

I don't think "compassion" is particularly called for when choosing whether to support a business, based on its past business dealings.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:51:02 PM
I am absolutely, 100% completely and unequivocably behind the concept of forgive and move on. EVERYONE deserves a second chance.

I will not in any way, shape or form support Donna Downey, her products, her line or her "vision".

ArlaMo
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Posted: 11/10/2009 5:59:08 PM
Sorry, Lucy!! I worded that so it came out not as intended. Hence my point...

I only mentioned you as saying that you didn't know Donna...not what you thought about her intent.

ETA:
And I do still find Batya's signature ironic - my being compassionate will never depend on whether or not another person is or not. I cannot allow whether or not Donna chose a compassionate route dictate whether I choose to show compassion and forgiveness to others.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:00:22 PM
This is the first time I've commented on what happened, though I read a few threads - including the original. I don't think I've ever bought anything DD designed. And I won't in the future.

I have a problem with people who have zero compassion: What, you're sick? Oh well. We'll keep your money AND charge the next person on the waiting list for the same spot!

Yes, there is a policy in place. But in a case like this (where the person could PROVE she was medically unable to attend and not just lying to get out of paying/going), there should always be room to work something out. Let her sell her spot to someone else, refund her and go to the next person on the waiting list. Either way, the same amount of supplies are going to be used for that spot - enough for the one person who uses the spot.

A quick and compassionate response would have had the exact opposite effect her actual response did. Had she shown an ounce of compassion, I would have been more inclined to buy products from her.

I'm all for second chances. She had quite a few of those. I also don't believe her apology was sincere. I feel in my gut that she finally apologized just to save face and by then, like lots of peas have said, it was too little, too late.


pe@ce - I'm so happy to read your great news!!!

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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:01:04 PM
I don't scrapbook much but I shopped at 2peas after Mely posted and sent her goodie bag. I would LOVE to know what kind of impact this has had on her business. Just curious.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:03:09 PM

I am absolutely, 100% completely and unequivocably behind the concept of forgive and move on. EVERYONE deserves a second chance.

I will not in any way, shape or form support Donna Downey, her products, her line or her "vision".


These two sentences/ways of thinking seem to be absolutely contradictory. I don't get how you can believe the first yet continue to espouse the second.

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Posted: 11/10/2009 6:03:19 PM
you know that DD canvas album is so easy to make yourself. i opened one up and looked at it. its simple and would be alot cheaper to do youself too.

ill be making one out of linen
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