I can't sit Indian-style, or criss-cross applesauce or pretzel style either. Should I be concerned?

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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:30:31 AM
I cannot sit Indian-style-- with my legs crossed at the ankles, knees outward while sitting on the floor-- anymore.

When I try, like I did this morning after doing a Jillian Michaels workout when she's doing the stretch part, my left hip rebels. I literally can NOT do it. I feel like if I forced it, something would snap.

I never used to have this problem, but have noticed it the last several weeks. I'm thinking it is related to my running. I'm currently running about 20 miles a week (longest run is about 10 miles). The thing is, running makes me feel great and honestly, while I might ache some after my long runs, it isn't bad at all. The only thing I've noticed is that occasionally when I swing my left leg out of my car door to get out, it feels like I'm pulling something.

Will I eventually gain the mobility back to sit Indian-style? I love the running, so I'm thinking I could give up this form of sitting on the floor.

Anyone else have an issue like this? Should I be worried since it doesn't hurt otherwise (except for the car thing sometimes?)


~Susan



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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:34:04 AM
I believe the PC term is now criss-cross applesauce. When DS came home from preschool a few years ago and said that I was like WTF is criss cross applesauce?!?!

But then I got to the part about you running 20 miles a week and decided I hated you so I have no advice!


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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:38:50 AM
I had the same problem-not the sitting part but the swinging my leg out of the car door. Hurt/Uncomfortable for just a second. I had started working out and attributed it to that. Just glad it stopped!!!

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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:44:16 AM
I agree with everything Christine said. To recap: we hate you and prefer promoting applesauce over denigrating Indians.






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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:49:29 AM
I've also heard it referred to as Pretzel style. Which I like better than the precious 'criss cross applesauce'.



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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:52:15 AM

I believe the PC term is now criss-cross applesauce


Actually, that is incorrect. The correct term is "pretzel legs." At least in our neck of the woods.

I have no idea for you, OP. Maybe you need to work on stretching your hip abductors (or would that be adductors???).


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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:54:02 AM

Maybe you need to work on stretching your hip abductors (or would that be adductors???).


and for those of us with no idea what hip abductors are, have another cookie. Your fat ass is never sitting pretzel style again!


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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:55:24 AM
I edited the thread title.

Seriously, though-- will I ever be able to sit the way I used to when I was 5 and it was reading time?? Who knew the worst part of a Jillian workout was going to be the stretching part??!!


~Susan



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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:58:27 AM
Running can really tighten you up. I highly suggest a yoga class! Very beneficial to runners! It took me about 3 months of weekly yoga to get back to the flexibility I had when much younger.

I learned some excellent stretches in yoga that I use after a run.

And in yoga, it's called Sukhasana or Easy Pose!


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Posted: 4/2/2010 7:59:14 AM
HA! My PC radar is not very finely tuned. The Indian-style phrase didn't even register...







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Posted: 4/2/2010 8:00:53 AM
The muscles in your legs get very tight from running. My dad, who has been running for over 25 years, talks about "runner's hamstrings" where runners lose the ability to bend over and touch their toes because their hamstrings become so inflexible. There are some who tell you not to push stretching because you may injure yourself while running and some who swear by stretching. You have to find out what works for you. My rule of thumb is that if it hurts very badly, I stop.


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Posted: 4/2/2010 8:02:39 AM
IT Band issues. Be sure to stretch properly before and after running.

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Posted: 4/2/2010 8:04:50 AM
you need to stretch. After every run. on the days that you don't run. Running leads to tight, shortened muscles. You to to stretch them back out to improve flexibility. While not being able to sit whatever you want to call it is really no big deal not being flexible can lead to injuries.

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Posted: 4/2/2010 8:05:17 AM
I was just coming back to post that it sounds like ITB. There are some very good stretches for that. I get hip bursitis when running long distances. Yoga really, really, really helps that.

Will dig up some links to stretches but google runner's yoga and itb stretches.


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Posted: 4/2/2010 8:08:13 AM
I would suggest a foam roller. You place it on the floor, and then roll back and forth on areas that are tight. Inner thighs, outer thighs. Hurts like hell at first but helps to stretch and loosen up the tendons and muscles. How to use a foam roller


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Posted: 4/2/2010 9:29:04 AM
since no one has suggested it yet...

I had the same sort of problems for several years. Turns out, my lower back was out of place. (which is a real bitch to get back in btw). Feel like my chiro saved my life!


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Posted: 4/2/2010 10:35:00 AM
I run a lot and can sit in the way you describe, but I also do Pilates and I would recommend some different form of stretching and strengthening if you run. Yoga, Pilates, gymnastics are a few suggestions.


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Posted: 4/2/2010 10:53:23 AM
Try a little Yoga.
Running is good, but only has a certain range of motion.
But you can do some hip and shoulder yoga.

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Posted: 4/2/2010 10:53:34 AM
I run quite a bit also and my trainer recommended yoga once a week. Running really tightened up my hips and yoga has made a huge difference.



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Posted: 4/2/2010 10:54:40 AM
Are you stretching after you run? Stretch at least 20 (30 is better)seconds on each muscle group on each leg after you run and cool down. Here are the major groups individually.

Calf stretch with straight but not locked back leg (gastrocnemius)
Calf stretch with bent knee (soleus)
Hamstring stretch
Quadriceps stretch
Hip flexor stretch
External hip / IT band stretch
Inner thigh stretch
Ankle rolls, point/flex, foot mobility (preferably done barefoot)

Personally, I like to stretch multiple muscle groups at once unless I've got specific pain that needs more attention. I like the runner's lunge and yoga's pigeon pose (make sure your knees can handle pigeon, if they can it's a great stretch for external hip), which hits pretty much everything in the legs in two stretches.

I can give you more detailed info if you want a little later on. I'm on my way to go teach (I'm a personal trainer and group-ex instructor).


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Posted: 4/3/2010 7:29:37 AM
Thank you all!

I've heard conflicting advice on stretching for runners, but I think I'll give it a shot, including the yoga.

Nancy, I would love more information on the stretches you are describing.

Thanks again!


~Susan



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Posted: 4/3/2010 7:34:33 AM
I'm a runner, and swear by my weekly yoga class (supplemented by daily poses at home). Get thee to a yoga class! You'll love it!

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Posted: 4/3/2010 7:58:20 AM
I would run this by my doctor if I were you. Especially since it's happened pretty suddenly.

I once had this sensation that a ligament on the back of my ankle was rubbing weird and felt like a rubber band being pulled when I would flex my foot. It was also painful, so I went to my doctor. It turned out that my new shoes were rubbing on the ligament,damaging it. If I had just thought that I had sprained my ankle, the ligament would have been permanently damaged and have required surgery. I am so thankful I went to my doctor since the fix was as easy at not wearing those shoes.

I have a genetic condition, Ehlers-Danlos, which causes my joints to be too flexible. Some people call it double jointed. Sometimes my hip rotates wrong and starts to dislocate which is extremely painful. I can stretch and get it back in place, but it is pure torture until it pops back in.

The condition was very useful in the past because being extra flexible in the hips was better during childbirth. The downside is that the joints can start to pop out in inconvenient moments--like, um, when we change positions. Dh has gotten used to it, but the first few times freaked him out when I went from overwhelming passion to grimacing and trying not to scream with the pain...

I'd get it checked out just to make sure that nothing is being injured. I can't sit cross legged anymore, but that's because my joints hurt too bad from the fibromyalgia.

As for leg stretches, I love to stand with the balls of my feet on the edge of a step and slowly push my heels down as far as possible. You'll feel the stretch in both your calf and thigh. Lightly go up and down from stretching down to standing on your tiptoes. Stairs are great because there's a handrail for balance. I also do dancing stretches with a leg balanced on a chair or even sofa back that is at hip height. It helps a lot when my hips hurt, and I can stretch both my legs and back this way. You just have to move very carefully and gently. I learned these doing Calisthenics. I had a video of these exercises in the 80s and loved them. Tightening surrounding muscles does make your joints more stable.



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Posted: 3/3/2011 9:51:07 AM
I am a runner (4x/week-30 minutes each). I've had the same pain while trying to sit or get out of the car. Also, pivoting can also give great pain. I took a break from running as my orthopedic suspected a labral tear in my hip. My xray showed nothing but the mri showed severe tendonitis in my hip - level 8 out of 10! He was surprised as I was b/c my hip never hurt. He gave me a cortizone shot - it does feel a bit better. I think I will be checking out yoga and the eliptical machine. Also, my friend gave me some great hip stretches/strengthening exercises.

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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:14:35 PM
why would calling it indian style be derogatory? we take their country kill almost all of them and then we're politically correct about that!!

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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:15:19 PM
why would calling it indian style be derogatory? we take their country kill almost all of them and then we're politically correct about that!!

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why would calling it indian style be derogatory? we take their country kill almost all of them and then we're politically correct about that!!

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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:25:16 PM
Growing up, I always thought Indian-style referred to Native Americans. I now wonder if it actually refers to the country of India where yoga originated. I never heard of pretzel style. I think of children with criss-cross applesauce, a phase that makes absolutely zero sense. I just call it sitting cross-legged.

OP, can you sit with the soles of your feet together, just letting your knees go as far as they can? Now that I'm an old lady, I find that's easier than sitting cross-legged.


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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:30:58 PM
Neither can my husband.

And yes, it was called Indian Style, now it's Criss Cross Applesauce. I noticed the change when my daughter entered elementary school.

Anyway, my husband does not have enough flexibility to sit like that for any length of time. He is a marathon runner and trains regularly. He stretches and has no problems, except when he tries to sit like this. We can't sit in tatami rooms at Japanese restaurants unless it has the hole you can drop your legs into. No traditional seating for him. This is going to be interesting as we are planning a trip to Japan next year.

I don't think it's a big worry, other than you were able to do it before and now you can't. You'll probably be back to your normal soon.

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Posted: 12/28/2013 12:31:36 PM
Make mobility before and after running your BFF. Foam rolling is great, as are using resistance bands.


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Posted: 12/28/2013 2:52:54 PM
Actually too much running is really bad for your heart! So not only can you not sit pretzel style, you increase your chances of dropping dead from a heart attack!

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Posted: 12/28/2013 3:16:39 PM

Stretching is generally the most neglected part of any fitness plan. But to have a really balanced fitness workout, you need all three legs of the base: cardio, strength-training, and stretching. Yoga or Pilates is a fun way to add that part in without having to feel like it's work to learn a bunch of muscles and the appropriate stretches for each one.








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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:23:38 PM
I can sit criss cross applesauce but I can't run 20 miles. I think you need to choose which one you want to do.

Just kidding. I agree with the tips for stretching out your hips.


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Posted: 12/28/2013 4:27:18 PM
I'd recommend cross training, yoga and working a variety of muscle groups through weights and/or body weight to improve flexibility.

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Posted: 12/28/2013 9:25:49 PM
I have never been able to sit like that, even as a child. I sit on the floor with my legs bent at the knees, my heels by my body. The entire leg is along the floor. I don't feel it's anything to be concerned about.

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