"Traditional Pentecostal" woman's dress code for a church wedding? Can you help? **Update**

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:11:50 PM
I have to "professional dress" for class on Thursday and my professor has picked "Traditional Pentecostal Wedding". This would be a sign language interpreting situation where I would be interpreting for either a Deaf audience member or a Deaf member of the wedding party. Either way I must dress for a scenario of standing up front, maybe on the stairs or stage, facing the audience. And even though I am a "hired worker" I still must dress according to the rules of the interpreting situation and in no way may I dress where I will offend. This is part of our Code of Ethics and very important. It is my responsibility to obtain this information and dress/look accordingly.

So far I have, long dress, no pants, pantyhose, long sleeves, hair put up, minimal make-up (or no makeup?), no black, neckline only 3 finger-widths below neck, pumps can be peeptoe. (For any interpreting situation I must dress in dark, solid colors so that is already on the table)

Am I missing anything? I'm hoping the Peas can help me more than Google, LOL.

Thank you!

PS. I am planning a dark purple (eggplant) suit with an ankle length skirt and highnecked, long sleeved jacket. Haven't decided on shoes, probably nude close-toed pumps, 1-2 inch heel.

**UPDATE**

Well, the Peas helped me earn extra points with my prof today. She googled "Traditional Pentecostal Wedding" and this post came up! She checked it, saw my pic and name and gave me props for coming here and asking the Peas, so thank you! And the director of my progam was impressed and told me I could pass for the Pastor's Wife. So you all did a great job with your recommendations, thank you so much!


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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:17:55 PM
Thats sounds good to me, although I am not penecostal. Do they wear head coverings? some do so maybe call a few churches in your area to ask and have a head covering as optional (a solid scarf)



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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:19:34 PM
I would go conservative with a sleeved top and skirt below the knees but not ankle length unless it was a formal wedding and with minimal jewelry. Perhaps a hat to wear outside of the actual ceremony. Otherwise it sounds like you've got it figured out.

Knowing how long my Catholic Masses are at my church (60-90min) and how long the interpreter is standing during that time, I might go with flats or minimal heel, not even 2".

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:19:50 PM
I was born and raised in aPentecostal church and have never seen what you describe. I got nothin for ya!



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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:27:40 PM
Haven't found anything about a scarf.

My classmate is Pentecostal (she does not wear pants) and gave us a lot of these guidelines. Her church is more lenient than a "Tradtional" one though. She wears short sleeves but told us that Traditional rules are "sleeves no shorter than 3 finger-widths from bend of elbow.

Can't wear a hat, cannot interpret with a hat on.

Oh, forgot, no jewelry, Traditional rules. Cannot wear much jewelry when terping in any situation, too distracting. Stud earrings and plain watch, that's all. Not even those in this situation. Ankle length, Traditional rules also....must be 6 inches below knee. Has nothing to do with time of wedding. Plus, when interpreting from above, on a platform, you always wear pants or longer skirt for modesty.

Thanks for helping so far!


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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:34:21 PM
Cara, you didn't mention if wedding rings were allowed while interpreting. If so, then from the quick search I did on Pentecostals it seems like a plain band is okay but an engagement ring (diamond or other) would be frowned on.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:34:58 PM
When I went to a Pentecostal church, it was normal dresses and skirts, knee length. Short or long sleeves, it didn't matter. Shoes can be whatever you want. No jewelry of any kind and also no make up.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:37:08 PM
I have several friends that are pentecostal and they don't wear make up, no wedding rings but they can wear watches. They do not wear head coverings. They do were skirts and nothing sleeveless or super short. Nothing to flashy or tight.




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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:40:23 PM
If I wore a wedding ring (I don't) I would either take it off or turn it around...good catch, I'll let my classmates know! My Pentecostal classmate has a stoned ring so that's another difference between her church and a Traditional one. But she does not wear makeup, does not cut her hair (which is why you put it up, to avoid offending that you have cut your hair), etc. So there are "degrees" of conservatism in this church and I am having to do the most conservative one.

I haven't warned them about the lightning, though.

Thank you!


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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:41:07 PM
I'm not Pentecostal either, but my hubby is a Protestant pastor and quite active with pastors from all the churches in our community - including Pentecostal ones. Never would the outfit you describe be expected dress at weddings at local Pentecostal churches. Yikes! (The only preference I could imagine in our local Pentecostal churches just MIGHT prefer ((and only if they were asked)) would be a nice dress/skirt of regular length since you would be up on the platform as opposed to wearing a pair of jeans).

As a minister's wife, I do understand what your instructor is trying to have you do - but honestly, if you showed up dressed like that at a local Pentecostal wedding, you'd stand out like a very sore thumb! People might think you were treating them like a "cult" sort of group.

I think your instructor isn't being fair in what you've been assigned - it's sterotyping.
Sort of like saying that if a woman is part of the Islamic faith - then obviously, she would always be seen in an Afghan/Taliban burka.Period. Obviously not - there are women of Islamic faith that are quite "westernized" in their dress, some would wear a head scarf, other WOUlD wear the blue Taliban Burka, while others would wear the black one like we see in Saudi Arabia - yet all consider themselves Muslim.

Same thing with this - there are so many different "flavors" of even traditional Pentecostalism - traditions that will even vary from church to church. I would guess that in nearly every Pentecostal wedding, a dress would be appropriate, but I don't even think it would have to be longish.

You know what I would do? Look in your local phone book, call up a Pentecostal church from the Yellow PAges tomorrow, and ask the church secretary what would be the appropriate dress for a sign language interpreter at a wedding. THEN you can tell your instructor you KNOW with confidence that you are dressed appropriately.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:44:25 PM
There's more than one Pentacostal, though. I know what you're talking about, but I've never been to a wedding at one!



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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:56:50 PM
I guess what you need to find out is what "flavor" pentecostal - Assembly of God type pentecostal dress in a mainstream kind of way. Pentecostal Holiness/United Pentecostal are of the ultra-conservative dress type. I don't think that your skirt needs to be quite that long though, although you wouldn't have to worry if you bent down that your skirt might flip up.

On a different, but related note, the very cute bridesmaid in the very cute knee-length dress showed a bit more than she intended when she fixed the brides train at a wedding that I recently attended. Yikes!

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Posted: 4/20/2010 9:58:23 PM
If this were a "real" scenario, I would have contact information for the person coordinating the wedding, someone at the church, or a member of the wedding party that would be my "point of contact" at the event. It would be my responsibility to contact that person and find out exactly what their rules were according to how I should dress.

This is not the case here, this is a hypothetical situation where since I do not have a point of contact person I am to find out the information according to a "Traditional Pentecostal" wedding. In this case, the more conservative, the better. It is always best to err on the side of caution.

I do not think this suit, in eggplant, is anything out of the ordinary for a wedding, and certainly not offensive! How could respecting their beliefs in their church be offensive?



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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:00:30 PM
I know a few. Long skirt, high neck top, hair back, limited jewelry and no makeup is my vote. Better safe than sorry.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:00:33 PM

Pentecostal Holiness/United Pentecostal are of the ultra-conservative dress type.


Then that is probably what I am looking for, thank you, now I can google better.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:08:13 PM

Pentecostal Holiness/United Pentecostal are of the ultra-conservative dress type.


Pentecostal Holiness is much more conservative. My grandmother was Holiness. I think your skirt might be too tight.

I agree with this:

I know a few. Long skirt, high neck top, hair back, limited jewelry and no makeup is my vote. Better safe than sorry.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:10:58 PM
The Pentecostal church that my husband's family attends is very conservative. Long dresses, no shirts/blouses above the elbow (ditto for men), no pants or short hair (women of course) and absolutely no jewelry of any kind. In fact we were told (this was several years ago so it may be different now) that we would not go to heaven if we wore our wedding rings.

We go to a non-denominational church now. And we still wear our rings. lol

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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:19:25 PM
My skirt is not nearly that tight, I think they modified it for that picture, LOL. It goes straight down and does not hug the body at all, so I'm good there.

OK, no jewelry at all. Suit is conservative enough, with pantyhose and pumps and hair up, I should be good to go??

(Suit is eggplant, not white!)



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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:20:59 PM
Cara, I think the suit you posted is lovely and would be appropriate at any service.

I was told once by a Holiness follower that I would go to hell for wearing nail polish. You might take that into consideration, especially since your hands will be so much the focus.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:23:23 PM
Cara, I'm curious about something you said about hair styles. If, as a sign language interpreter, you have to put your hair up in accordance with whatever organization/belief you are interpreting for, does that mean that as a sign language interpreter you have to look fairly mainstream, have long hair of natural colour, etc?


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:23:51 PM
When you pull your hair up can you do ringlets with your hair? I see it often on Holiness friends. They looooooove there curls!



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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:27:33 PM
Ok, one more question.... why are some Pentecostal believers opposed to wearing wedding rings? I've never heard of this before.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:27:45 PM
Gold jewelry, buttons, trim, etc. are a no-no in the Pentecostal churches I've been to, because gold is considered worldly. Very modest dress, the simpler the better, and definitely not anything too form-fitting.

I've attended several weddings in conservative Pentecostal or Holiness churches, and my standard outfit is a simple navy or dark blue, calf-length dress with a jacket, and navy low-heeled pumps. I pin my hair up, and wear very minimal makeup (undereye concealer and clear lip gloss) and no perfumed or fragranced products. I don't wear jewelry anyway, so that's never been an issue.

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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:46:25 PM
Ashley, no, but you cannot have heavy bangs or hair that falls into your face. I have already grown out my bangs and usually wear it back when "working". That is preferable because grammar and tone of voice is carried on the face, especially the forehead.

I can ask "why?" in two different ways and the difference is read by my eyebrows and expression. If it is a "tell me why" question, the eyebrows are pulled down in an "answer me" way. If it is a rhetorical "why?", where I am now going to explain the reason, the eyebrows are pulled up in a quizzical expression.

Since Deaf people cannot hear tone of voice your face carries that and bangs or any obstruction makes it hard for them to understand your tone,
and thus your meaning.

Plus, you must keep distraction to a minimum (no colored nail polish, no long nails, no necklace, no dangly earrings, dark colors if your skin is light, light colors if your skin is dark, no cleavage, no short skirts etc.) These are standard dress codes for interpreters.

Deaf people use muscles to listen where we do not. If you have to watch and pay attention all day (say your company is training for a new work system and your job depends on you learning this new system in an all day training session)then you are using your eye muscles which get tired. Ears do not. Plus you can look down, close your eyes, rummage in your purse, check a text, etc, and still get the information. A Deaf person cannot. So a limit on the distractions is a must so it is easier for them to get the message without having to constantly drown out background "noise" and keep fatigue at a minimum.

The idea of "professional dress" while still in school stems from the #1 complaint Deaf people have about interpreters. Their dress. Imagine if you are going on a job interview and you are in a suit and tie and your interpreter shows up looking like he belongs on the beach...cut offs, flip flops, wife beater. This reflects on the Deaf person and they would probably have to reschedule their interview, which would also make a negative impression, all because the interpreter is dressed inappropriately. By doing this while still in school we can critique each other, ask the Deaf TAs we have, etc, and make sure we are good to go before we ever get "out there".

So our dress is in our Code of Ethics. But it only states that we must dress professionally and in tune with the job. So if you were doing a high school football practice, sweats and tennies would be fine. If you are going to the hospital then you must have dark colored scrubs to wear, etc. In the case of this wedding you would want to make sure that you do not dress where you could be offensive since you are front and center the whole time.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:52:25 PM
OH, I wasn't questioning why you need to dress professionally -- I think that's fairly standard for nearly all jobs. Just wondering if you need to keep yourself rather "blank slate-ish" for the possible event you are hired by a rather non-mainstream ccmmunity, like the hair issues I asked about.



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Posted: 4/20/2010 10:52:27 PM
Ringlets? No. I'll probably just french braid it and tuck the end under and pin. I am way too old for ringlets.

Mary, that is exactly what I'm thinking, except a dark purple instead of navy.



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Posted: 4/20/2010 11:01:12 PM
No, you can have short hair, as long as it is not in your face. In this case, if when you spoke to your "contact person" for the dress rules, if you are not clear on them, and they said "no short hair" then you would be obligated to refuse the job and throw it back to your agency so they could assign someone with long hair who would fit this particular job.

This is the only scenario I have come across so far where hair length might be an issue. But that would be either the agency's responsibility to ask before assigning an interpreter...or if they do not and you find out that your short hair would be offensive, then it is your reponsibility to remedy the situation and get another person for the job.

Same scenario as if you found that you were not skilled enough for a legal or medical situation (or you are too uncomfortable with the job to interpret effectively). It is your job to say, "I am not qualified for this, you need to get someone who is." This is also in our Code of Ethics and our certification can be pulled if our offense is serious enough.


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Posted: 4/20/2010 11:02:40 PM
That makes sense and sounds reasonable.



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Posted: 4/20/2010 11:26:45 PM
I had a Deaf person tell me a story: Back before Texas required a Legal Certification to interpret in court, a woman interpreter was working for a female rape victim. The terp was too embarrassed to use the words the Deaf person was signing when describing what happened so she used "nice" euphamisms. This gave the jury a different message than what the witness was actually saying and the rapist was found not guilty.

Once it was found out what happened, the intepreter's certification was pulled and she was banned from working in Texas. But the damage was done and a rapist went free, never to be tried for that offense again.

It is scenarios like the one above that we must avoid at all costs. She should have said, "I cannot say those words in public, you must get someone else to do this job" but she didn't and a lot of people suffered because of her bad decision.

And even though hair length might not be a big deal for us, respect for our clients must come first, even if it involves hair.


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Posted: 4/21/2010 12:13:10 AM
I grew up in the pentecostal faith, (still a believer now but do not attend pentecostal church) and it sounds like you are right on with what you are planning.

Hair up
no jewelry
no makeup
long dress or skirt








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Posted: 4/21/2010 12:41:34 AM
The dress is fine as long as the skirt isn't quite as tight as the photo. Nix the braid. There is actually a scripture against braiding the hair. Go with a very plain french twist or a 1950ish updo~ Aunt Bea from Mayberry style.

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The style with the white feathers is a nice acceptable one, just leave off the ornate clip. The one above it is also acceptable but again, leave off the ornate clips even though they are tiny. Upsweep hairstyles


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Posted: 4/21/2010 4:55:35 AM
Many pentecostals require women to cover their heads in church - I know that you say you can't wear hats when interpreting, but I would seriously have a scarf that you cut put on if needed
something like http://www.bsu.edu/web/jmsutton2/xangapics/headscarf1.jpg would work ...

out of curiosity, if you were interpreting for a muslim lady, who wore Hijab, would you not consider wearing a simple Hijab which draws hair etc well back from the face? I have seen several interpreters for the deaf wearing Hijab even when not required by the culture as it eliminates distraction and allows the face to be seen very clearly



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Posted: 4/21/2010 5:18:37 AM
I have been Pentecostal all my life, and what you're describing sounds overkill. All the women I've ever gone to church with just wore dresses, and I've seen all kinds. You don't have to wear long dresses, or high necked dresses. Pentecostal women just believe in dressing modestly--meaning cover your rear so when you stand or sit your hiney isn't poking out, and don't have your cleavage popping out. That's it, no head coverings, no turtlenecks. Now if you're talking hairstyles from way back when in the 40s and 50s then most of the older women had that "Church of God hairdo" the beehive. Any woman I attended church with since growing up in the church from 68 to now has worn pretty much any style hair you can imagine.

Also, the Church of God did not have any rules forbiding anybody, man or woman from wearing any type jewelry or makeup. Women wear nail polish and lipstick all the time.

You would be very hard pressed to find any Pentecostal woman in the Churches of God I've ever been to even wearing a dress anymore. Most of them wear pants now. You would never see one of them wearing their hair in any type strict hairdo.


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Posted: 4/21/2010 8:34:27 AM

I have been Pentecostal all my life, and what you're describing sounds overkill.



Do you mind my asking if your branch of Pentecostal is Oneness or Trinitarian? Because it's been my experience that Oneness churches tend to adhere to a stricter dress code. Most of the Pentecostal churches in my area are Apostolic Holiness, Full Gospel or UPC, and all the UPC women I've known maintain the dress code very strictly.

There's a little girl in my youngest son's class who is UPC, and she's not allowed to wear gym shorts or participate in P.E. when it's a mixed boy/girl activity. She can put on tennis shoes, but has to participate in PE in her usual clothes.

Cara, I was also going to suggest not braiding your hair, because it's not done in some very conservative churches (not just UPC, but some Baptist and other churches as well). The Scriptural references for this prohibition are 1 Timothy 2:8-10, and I Peter 3:1-5. Not all Pentecostal churches follow this standard, but most of the ones I'm familiar with do.


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I was raised in the AofG/Pentecostal faith and the most that I would say all you had to do is wear modest dress--the suit you picked out is nice and would work nicely with PANTYHOSE and low heeled closed toe shoes. The key it so be modestly dress not covered in a black burkha, hijab and niqab. As far as the no make up, long hair on women and no jewelry, that is just like any other religion's extreme cults and certain sects and not really reflective the mainstream parishioners.

So, I would suggest that you wear a minimum amount of makeup, the "nude" look, modestly style your hair maybe pulled back by a simple headband or in an french twist and very simple jewelry, just like you stated was required by the ASL interpreter's code of ethics.

And in all honesty, I doubt very seriously if you would be excepted to dress "native" even in the most ultra-conservative cultist sects since you are an outsider and it is a courtesy that you would dress otherwise than your normal daily career dress since you are providing them with a service. If you did, you have gone above and beyond your requirements by doing more than what you are expected as an ASL interpreter by further modification of your appearance and dress.

To be frank, I think your instructor is trying to show that cultural bias may exist when you have to deal with people who have distinct dress codes associated with their religious beliefs and the bias is often yours not theirs.

Here is a link to a short overview of Pentecostalism:


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FYI, my Granny was one of those "saved" by Oral Roberts when he was at the height of his popularity and she joined the local Pentecostal church that eventually became AofG/Pentecostal and she wore face powder (Coty) and lipstick to church every Sunday just like she did Monday through Saturday and like every other woman in the congregation. My Granny also like to say that Baskin and Robbin's Ice Cream wasn't the only one to have "31 flavors" either and that was pretty reflective of all the pastors of that church through the years. Now the wearing of Women's pants was something of a controversy and I do believe that my Mom and I were the first to wear a "pants suit" aka an above the knee dress with short sleeves and matching pants to church.









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Posted: 4/21/2010 1:30:52 PM
This has been really interesting-- both the interpreter code of ethics info, and the Pentecostal info.







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Posted: 4/21/2010 1:40:29 PM
Sharla - I was thinking the same thing. I'm learning all new things about the Pentecostal religion. What's the reasoning for the ban on wedding bands?

I wonder if interpreters really do wear nail polish?




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Posted: 4/21/2010 1:47:33 PM
I think of Chloe Sevigny's wardrobe on Big Love. My neighbor is Pentecostal and dresses much like her:


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Posted: 4/21/2010 1:52:51 PM
I also think this is a fascinating thread - thank you.

Do you mean no black because it is a wedding, or is there a Pentecostal reason for not wearing black?

and, I think the suit is lovely.


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Posted: 4/21/2010 1:57:16 PM
This is an interesting thread, Cara.

Don't mean to hijack, but I did see something odd when DH and I went to a baseball game last week. When they started doing the National Anthem, the girl interpreting was wearing capris and flip-flops. It seemed really out of place especially since the boy singing was from one of the local military academies and was in his full uniform. It seems even odder now, given the Code of Ethics that you presented. Maybe she was a last minute fill-in or something? Hmmm.






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Posted: 4/21/2010 2:02:13 PM
Cara - this is a total hijack - but I have to tell you - I LOVE your new avatar picture!!


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Posted: 4/21/2010 2:55:52 PM
Sort of a hijack... but when interpreting in court, do you as the interpreter have to swear to tell the truth of what the witness is signing to you?

I'd think the 'other side' would hire their own interpreter to double check...




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Posted: 4/21/2010 3:27:45 PM
See, I knew the Peas would help - I had no idea about the braiding, so that's out. Good catch.

Thank's Cake Diva!


Don't mean to hijack, but I did see something odd when DH and I went to a baseball game last week. When they started doing the National Anthem, the girl interpreting was wearing capris and flip-flops. It seemed really out of place especially since the boy singing was from one of the local military academies and was in his full uniform. It seems even odder now, given the Code of Ethics that you presented. Maybe she was a last minute fill-in or something? Hmmm.


Where was the game? Was it a professional game? College? She may have been a student (we don't have to folliow the Code yet, but my professors make us do it anyway). But you have just pointed out why we have to be careful and do our research (usually just checking with the client beforehand).


Sort of a hijack... but when interpreting in court, do you as the interpreter have to swear to tell the truth of what the witness is signing to you?

I'd think the 'other side' would hire their own interpreter to double check...


Good question! I don't know, I'll have to ask my prof tomorrow. Since Legal Certification is very strict I would assume that would take care of that situation. Also, Terps work as a team so an interpreter, especially in court, would never be working alone, so the partner should catch anything that is wrong.


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Posted: 4/21/2010 3:31:50 PM
Cara, I get where your instructor is coming from inasmuch as you wouldn't show up somewhere in a tube top where it was totally inappropriate.

HOWEVER, {and there's always a however in life } I think they are taking it entirely too far..almost to the point of lets play dress up and that's insulting.

In your scenario, you are attending a wedding in a christian church. It would be appropriate for you to wear a nice dress or suit, conservative perhaps (nothing low cut, etc) but to go so far as to try to mimic hairstyle, clothing, no nail polish, etc. simply because you think that is what the religion observes is just out of line. IMO.




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Posted: 4/21/2010 3:32:04 PM

I wonder if interpreters really do wear nail polish?


I was taught not to, and I only made it through 4 levels of Sign--far below where Cara is at. It's one of the first things you learn if you have a good sign teacher.

Think about it-watch someone who gestures with their hands a lot. The little flashes of color pop out as their hands fly through the air. When that's someone's primary mode of conversation, you can't have those distractions. That's the same reason you're not supposed to wear distracting jewelry on your hands and arms--flashes of light and metal can really be a distraction. Again, same reason for keeping your face uncovered by hair, accessories, etc. One-your hair can't cover essential facial expressions, and two, you don't want to be constantly brushing it out of your way and interrupting what you're saying.

I'm sure there are people who break all those rules, but a professional wouldn't.

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Posted: 4/21/2010 3:59:43 PM

out of curiosity, if you were interpreting for a muslim lady, who wore Hijab, would you not consider wearing a simple Hijab which draws hair etc well back from the face? I have seen several interpreters for the deaf wearing Hijab even when not required by the culture as it eliminates distraction and allows the face to be seen very clearly


You live in the UK where I assume you see people in a Hijab a lot. Not the case here and it would be distracting. Now if I was interpreting in a Mosque, then I would be expected to find out exactly what I was allowed to wear, same as this scenario. I have a feeling they would probably request a man to terp at a mosque, though. If I was just terping for the woman above for a college class then I would dress the same as I would for terping for any college student in any college class.

The "no nail polish" is an interpreting thing, not a Pentecostal thing. Now, if you wnated to wear colored nail polish, you aren't going to get your certification taken away for that....but you will have people complain to the board and you will get "a letter". Like Jen said, it's part of being professional and respecting your client.

If you have a client and he is cussing out his doctor and saying "F*** You!" then you also have to say it. You don't get to pick and choose what you will voice, that is not your place. We learn all the cuss words and sexual words in Interpreting III so we are prepared.


HOWEVER, {and there's always a however in life } I think they are taking it entirely too far..almost to the point of lets play dress up and that's insulting.

In your scenario, you are attending a wedding in a christian church. It would be appropriate for you to wear a nice dress or suit, conservative perhaps (nothing low cut, etc) but to go so far as to try to mimic hairstyle, clothing, no nail polish, etc. simply because you think that is what the religion observes is just out of line. IMO.



I will not be mimicing their hairstyle, just not braiding it and wearing it up because that is being respectful of their beliefs. Churches are different and have different standards and dressing for a Baptist church is different than a conservative Pentecostal church (as we see in this thread). It is part of my "job" to find out what the standard of dress is in the situation I will be working in and dress appropriately.


Do you mean no black because it is a wedding, or is there a Pentecostal reason for not wearing black?



My (less conservative) Pentecostal classmate told us that only the Mothers of the Bride and Groom wear black. Now, in most situations, black is the standard for terps, it's just easier. But most tend to not wear black to weddings, more dark colors, but not black. Navy, eggplant, etc. Again, it depends on the job. If you are sitting in the audience facing your Deaf client and only terping for the one person, you could probably wear black. But if you are terping and standing up on the stairs in front of everyone, it's best not to wear black. 99% of the time you will be speaking beforehand to the bride or someone and you ask them what they want you to wear.


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Posted: 4/21/2010 4:44:11 PM

Do you mind my asking if your branch of Pentecostal is Oneness or Trinitarian


The Church of God believes in the holy trinity of God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. When I was a member of the CofG we never had these strict rules. We had a statement of beliefs. The teachers I had while growing up in the church just taught modesty and humbleness.

I am not a member of the Church of God anymore though. While I am thankful my parents raised me in a Pentecostal church that had good, sound biblical teachings I feel I have grown out of organized religion. I'm a member of an interdenominational church now. Our pastor teaches kingdom principles and the five fold ministry of the church. I've grown so much since getting religion out of my walk with God. It's very freeing. You will find anything from shorts to pants to dresses to suits at my church. Some of our more daring men have even worn pink striped suits! It's really fun to see what those young guys are going to come up with next. I like my church.


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Posted: 4/22/2010 7:32:20 AM
This is all very intresting!

I have a question to add. You say that nail polish is a no-no because it's distracting (makes sense to me). DD (2.5) watches Nick Jr., and on their little musical breaks between shows, there's a female singer who also signs most of her song (always when we're looking at her, but there are other scenes as well). I have noticed that she seems to have various colors of tape or something on her fingers, but it all goes by so fast that I haven't caught much more than that. Do you know why it would be? Maybe something for learners (as opposed to just interpreting for people who already know)?

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Posted: 4/22/2010 8:37:54 AM

Where was the game? Was it a professional game? College? She may have been a student (we don't have to folliow the Code yet, but my professors make us do it anyway). But you have just pointed out why we have to be careful and do our research (usually just checking with the client beforehand).



It was a regular MLB game at a major league stadium. I remember the man who used to do the Bucs games, and did a few Superbowls when they were here. He always wore a suit, and I believe he was deaf himself, which is interesting. I think he passed away a few years ago, sadly.

But I've learned alot from this thread. Thanks!






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Posted: 4/22/2010 9:44:32 AM
Cara, I was raised in the UPC and the suit you picked out would be fine, except for the neckline would be considered to low.

I have never heard of not being able to wear open toed shoes to church, if that is the case I am going to hell for sure. Don't think I have ever owned but one pair of closed toe dress shoes in my life or at least since I started buying my own shoes.

Someone asked about wedding rings. As far as that goes that is more of an individual pastor's beliefs than the organizations. I was raised in MO and everyone I knew wore wedding rings and still does. I had never heard of not wearing them until I moved to MS. I personally do believe in them and I think it is wrong not to at least wear a wedding band.


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