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Posted: 10/31/2010 11:47:16 AM
Hey Guys!

Good job on WEEK 3 . We saw some really good examples of how setting a custom white balance indoors can help achieve better shots than simply relying on auto/tungsten/fluorescent.

This week, we'll be looking at flash ! Here is the WEEK 4 PDF.



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Posted: 10/31/2010 4:04:58 PM
YEAH!!!! Keep up the good work!!! You are almost 1/2 way there. I may join you on this one, I seem to be having issues with flash lately...will re-read this lesson!




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Posted: 11/3/2010 11:58:22 PM
perfect timing! Shot pix of a house for sale for an out of town client this week and really really struggled with the interiors colors - remembering what they were, setting the camera settings, editing them in LR3 after wards, on a calibrated imac, then realizing he would be viewing them on a certainly-uncalibrated PC. The colors really mattered since the carpet color and wall colors can be so similar and yet some are YUCK and some are marvelous. In this case, they were marvelous in reality, and yet accurately capturing them . . .

Now I can do this lesson, with the joy of knowing that fabulous learning is happening.

With MUCH MUCH appreciation!!!!!



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Posted: 11/5/2010 1:17:36 AM
Where oh where have all the peas gone? Oh where oh where can they be?


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Posted: 11/5/2010 7:26:59 AM
I'm still here. Just biding my time -- waiting for a human subject who will sit still in a backlit situation. That'll probably happen tonight or tomorrow. We've been having nasty weather, so I haven't had a chance to get outside for the other shots, either!


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Posted: 11/5/2010 9:38:50 AM
yep still here need to do week three tonight and maybe 4 too but I running a week behind is really working for me.


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Posted: 11/5/2010 10:09:33 AM
I am here, too. Never enough time... maybe if this board didn't continue to suck me in everyday (I'll admit it, many times a day) I could find some time.



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Posted: 11/5/2010 11:46:44 AM
I'm here too I have 1/3 of this one done, but I'm fighting a virus right now, once I'm feeling better I'll get it finished up.


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Posted: 11/5/2010 12:23:03 PM
I was waiting for an overcast day but I don't think I'm going to get it! (not really complaining!) And I don't have any shade in our yard so need to go somewhere else and don't want to drag 3 daycare kids along! I'll get it done before the wknd though!


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Posted: 11/5/2010 6:33:23 PM
Oh, and apparently I need to figure out how to meter with my camera... I think I know but need to dig out the manual for sure!


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Posted: 11/6/2010 8:21:04 AM
I am still here too! Did last weeks assignment-last week-just never got my pics uploaded...working on them now! I am learning oh so very much and really enjoying the lessons!

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Posted: 11/7/2010 11:13:14 AM
I've finally got an overcast day today! Now we just need to go pick DS up from my parents' house (Yay, slumber party!) so I have a subject! (DH is totally unwilling! LOL)



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Posted: 11/7/2010 1:35:06 PM
Here's my work for this week. I am not too happy about the blown sky. I thought I had metered correctly on the bright sky -- but I think metering is something that I'm not quite understanding.

We didn't really have any "gray" days here this week -- but I have seen in the past how colors really pop when I'm using my flash while taking pictures of my kids playing in the snow -- so I get that part.

Backlighting and Fill Flash:





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Posted: 11/7/2010 3:16:31 PM
OK; I had to make do this morning, since it started pouring down rain! LOL

I only did the third part of the assignment, with a backlit subject. Not artistically the best work ever, but it gets the point across! LOL

All shot at f/4.5, ISO 800
No flash


With the flash


And just for giggles, I also shot it on Auto, to see what happened. It went to ISO 560, f/4.5


ETA: This is a pic from last week where I turned the flash on even though we had decent light... we were in the shadows of the buildings, but there was a lot of light around, so you can see how the flash made us "pop"



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Posted: 11/7/2010 4:32:31 PM
Amanda,

Since you are adding light with the flash, you can decrease the ambient exposure to maintain color in the sky.

Also, I can't make any accusations, but it does seem rather coincidental that I use "weeks" in my online program and week 4 is also about flash.

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Posted: 11/7/2010 5:31:59 PM
Hey Matthew. I've gone through your week 1 course, and already I know I'm going to learn so much. It's well written and just -- well, awesome!

I blew the sky in the photo without the flash, too! WTF? Should I have underexposed on purpose in that situation, knowing that the flash would illuminate my subject? I know this will become a lot more clear to me as I go through the rest of your course and practice a lot more -- it's just frustrating to know I missed the beautiful blue sky.


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Posted: 11/7/2010 6:00:27 PM
I found this one to be so difficult, just because of the weather and we're all sick.

No flash. f5.0, 1/200, 100


Flash, she was just too close and it's too much


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Posted: 11/7/2010 10:27:18 PM
Amanda,

Yes, you could expose for the sky and make it a deep blue color. Or add a little more exposure (a stop or more) to lighten it some, and retain some color. It'd still look natural.

** Note you'll have to use a smaller ap as your camera has reached its sync speed.

And thanks again for registering.

Lori,

I appears you are using your pop-up flash. Those are fine for fill light, but not so good indoors as a key light. You should have an "on-camera" flash for that, that can be tilted and twisted to bounce (or add attachments).

Most new cameras have TTL controlled pop-up flashes and a way to lower the exposure of it some (i.e. plus or minus two full stops or more).

When shooting so close, you may want to drop the flash's TTL exposure about a full stop. Look in your camera manual under FEC -- for Flash Exposure Compensation. Set it to minus EV 1.0 (or so). The light you are in is perfect for adding a flash fill. Simply adjust the flash's EV to taste.

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Posted: 11/7/2010 11:10:28 PM
I'm still struggling with this one - feel like I need *weeks* of flash practice just for basic comprehension.

The beauty of this is that I've realized just how much I don't like how the flash flattens the photos (is that the right term?).

I signed up for Matthew's class, too, and although I'm only at the beginning, I happily expect there to be a lot of parallels between the two because that is what a natural progression through this learning curve should be since these concepts really do depend on having a decent understanding of the material that lays the foundation for it all.

Hope to get some pix up in a few days!

LOVE seeing everyone's pix - real world!



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Posted: 11/8/2010 10:53:44 PM
I feel like I really struggled to see results with this lesson! The others have been so obvious and I don't feel like I got "wow" results with this one!
Plus I can't find my camera manual - in my house OR online - so I was still a little unsure about metering.


BRIGHT SUNSHINE WITH SHADOW - NO FLASH -


BRIGHT SUNSHINE WITH SHADOW - FLASH -


BACK LIT WITH NO FLASH


WITH FLASH


BACK LIT WITH NO FLASH


BACK LIT WITH FLASH


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Posted: 11/9/2010 10:31:39 AM
Here's a better example that I had from a photo shoot a few weeks ago... flash in shade. I don't remember what setting my camera was in - I think I changed it to "P" when we went in the trees but I don't remember! So the shutter speed and aperture IS different as well, but it wasn't enough without my 50mm lens - which I didn't have on!

(these are SOOC...)



and when I turned the flash on...


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Posted: 11/9/2010 5:07:27 PM
since it's cloudy and dreary today...






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Posted: 11/9/2010 9:51:15 PM
love the frowny face


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Posted: 11/9/2010 9:54:32 PM
yeah - he was THRILLED! haha!


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Posted: 11/14/2010 12:28:13 PM
Better late than never!

I never did get any on a cloudy day-but here are the other two...

Flash to eliminate dark shadows on the face

Before


After w/flash


Fill Flash to combat backlighting

Before


After w/flash

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Posted: 11/16/2010 11:03:05 AM
Well this week's lesson was a challenge for sure! I did the first part...it was cloudy yesterday...and we have sun today so I am going to attempt the other two parts today. I thought I would post the first part tho...and I think I was too close to my subject with the flash cuz it looks so much better without the flash.
Without Flash

With Flash


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Posted: 11/17/2010 2:31:58 AM
So, what must our neighbors think when they see us trot outside, prop up bright and odd things, then snap away?

If they only knew how much FUN they are missing!!!


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Posted: 11/17/2010 7:10:23 AM
Alison, I have that same thought every time I step outside to take some random picture for these assignments.


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Posted: 11/19/2010 2:41:50 PM
I am just NOT getting the flash at all. I read how it says to expose for the brightest part and then the lightest part, but my exposure meter doesn't move when I have my flash on. Anyway I tried it outside and had blown exposure, moved and it was still blown. So I came inside and this is what I got.

No Flash
50mm f/1.8 SS:60 ISO:1600


With the Flash
50mm f/1.8 SS:200 (highest my camera will go with a flash) ISO:200


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Posted: 11/21/2010 1:42:53 PM
ok I finally got around to taking the pics that I missed in this lesson.
Here is the Fill Flash pics
First one is no flash..

this one is using flash


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Posted: 12/17/2010 12:00:47 PM
1 fill flash on gray day
Sorry not the most colorful subject. This was shot late morning on a cold winter (almost) day with lots of clouds. First set is SOOC with everything zeroed out, the 2nd image is the edited version just to see how it looks



2 fill flash to eliminate dark shadows on bright day
Used a little statue on the table when the clouds started to clear and the sun was shining bright through the window. I won't lie, I like the first one better, however this is not a portrait of a person so and it apears to have better contrast so maybe after editing I'd like the middle... I also kept the crappy photo to show what bad straight on and too close flash looks like at full power.


3 fill flash to combat back lighting

The pupper again: Both F/8 SS 1/200 ISO 200 & RAW SOOC zeroed
Exposed for the sky out the window (nevermind the dirty windows, that is the dogs' couch, they sit there and people watch all day, pressing their noses against the window). First no flash, second with flash bouncing off walls. I put the intensity of the flash down to 1/16 because it was far too bright on full power.


She wouldn't look at me. Tried again with myself (hello) with self timer. F/5.6 SS 1/60 ISO 100 Yeah so the first one is SOOC zeroed, the next one has some editing because I've got lovely bags under my eyes >.< also adjusted levels contrast noise and sharpening.



BONUS night portraits. Older photo when I first learned how to expose for the sky, still need to work on this technique. Not much of a sunset that night either. Played with the intensity of the flash several times to figure out what would work best. Still not in love with it.


Extra bonus lessons 1 through 4
I thought this photo I took in November could be an appropriate photo share of all the lessons up to now.
Lesson 1- aperture: Creating smaller depth of filed with a small aperture, hence the bokeh from the blue Christmas lights, however its not completely wide open, otherwise only the front diamond would be in focus.
Lesson 2- Shutter speed: I was on Aperture priority mode so this speed was set by the camera however I underexposed with my meter by a little over a stop (I didn't want the background to show other than the lights). Using a longer exposure helped to expose the dark room and with a 500mm lens I certainly needed a tripod. I wasn't going to use more than a 400 ISO because past that, with the XTi is too noisy.
Lesson 3- Though not custom, it wasn't on auto. I set the white balance to flash. However I was not using my flash, I was using flashlights (cheap lighting wohoo). One average sized flashlight from the back left (camera left) of the room and one mini almost key chained sized flashlight the other from the bottom left of the glass.

F/4.5 SS 1/10 sec ISO 400 Edited levels, contrast & sharpening.




Used: Rebel Xti, 50mm 1.8, 430 EXll



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Posted: 12/17/2010 9:10:29 PM
Michelle! I your post!

Such a good summary and illustration about why this series is worth taking (hey you Peaps that aren't doing this yet - join us!).

Almost missed this one, but BTT in the hopes we can collect a few more.

technically, I owe photos for this lesson. When it came by, I was on a severe anti-flash campaign 'cos I didn't know how to use it, so skipping the lesson is pretty silly, eh?


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Posted: 12/17/2010 10:41:16 PM
yep, pretty silly, no skipping if you need to learn and practice this.
hell even after doing it i still want loads of practice.

what kind of flash do you have? the built in kind, a speedlite?

for basic equipment I think a speedlite is the best since you can bounce it and you can change the power.
i believe you might be able to change the power of built in flash on your camera models but don't quote me on it becuase not only do i not have your models but i've never tried it on mine. it wasn't until that sunset photo that i had ever attempted to change the power on my speedlite.

tell ya what, you have until the end of the week to complete this - the sooner the better, you want to be ready for christmas don't you?



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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:28:39 PM


Thanks for the kick, er, encouragement!

If it were daytime, I would be outside taking photos! I was terribly disappointed, surprisingly terribly disappointed when I realized I didn't move my battery into my camera body when I took off the battery grip today to go shopping. Met a friend at Crate & Barrel and was going to take a TON of close-ups of colorful things in the furniture, bedding and dishes sections, since the local store carries their full furniture line. The colors and fabrics they're showcasing are just gorgeous! Gorgeous! I sat there and was soooo bummed out.

I have a 580ex speedlight, have had it for 6(?) years but was afraid of it, too many things on the display. And I am a *very* technical person, so that fear is bizarre. I think it just reminded me how much I don't know because until you know a TON about exposure, metering, bounce flash, etc., you really can't put the flash though it's paces, ya know?

I sat down the other night for an hour and read a laminated "cheatsheet" for it, and toggled through every single function a few times, and had a bunch of AHA! moments, so I feel much better.

BUT (oh, yeah, this is getting long!), I returned a Pocket Wizard I bought when I realized I needed TWO (at $165-ish each!!) to use them for OCF, and bought Cactus V4 triggers instead. They worked great the first night, but not the second and I didn't have time to troubleshoot, so I lost my subjects (my two sons, ran off, in a whirling/tumbling/fighting pile of arms and legs). I do have a cable, but it is short and pulls over the stand when I try to use it. I swear, I am a mess!

So, I think this weekend/week MUST BE THE WEEK OF FLASH! MUST! Bought the giant book on Canon EOS flash photography, so gonna take it to bed for some fun reading.

I am really really enjoying this conversation, btw, thank you SO much for being a participating Pea!!!

So, tell me about your flash!

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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:36:57 PM
lol well thank you. i'm enjoying this board it's a lot friendlier than other forums.
I don't know much with flash, mainly trial and error/reading forums/watching youtube.
I just have the 430 ex2 i would love to have your flash and i would love even more to get it off my camera but i can't do that with my cameras (at least not without an extra part which i have no money for even if it is cheap).



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Posted: 12/17/2010 11:48:12 PM

i would love even more to get it off my camera but i can't do that with my cameras (at least not without an extra part which i have no money for even if it is cheap).


I hear you. I've been piecing stuff together for months to get a good line-up, having realized my old XT was not cutting it anymore! I'm waiting for a bunch of gear to sell at a local camera store (on consignment) so I can buy a macro lens! Talk about obsession! Copic markers and photo gear have seriously eaten my income this year!

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Posted: 1/2/2011 12:23:21 AM
I've gotten some of this done.

Cloudy Day, no flash


cloudy day, fill flash


Bright day:

Shadowed Subject


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Thanks for sharing!


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