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Posted: 4/1/2012 1:04:41 PM
Stephanie Howell, who replied on the first page.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 1:35:23 PM
Well I've never been a fan of the jealousy comment. I truly don't believe that anyone is jealous of me. Four kids 5 and under and a husband that is gone all the time? I think others are a-okay with me having this life and not them. Hahah!

I simply think that I'm not everyone's cup of tea. And i totally get that. I've said it before, I'll say it again...I annoy myself at times. I don't expect everyone to like me, that was a lesson it took me a long time to learn and my husband had a lot to do with it finally sinking in. He's much better at dealing with that than I am and he's really positively influenced me and helped me realized that it's just the way life is. :grin.

I try to be honest and share my heart and sometimes that is perceived as whining. I try to be positive and look at the good things in life and sometimes that is perceived as being obnxious. I can't be anything other than what I am and I don't want to try to be anything i'm not.

I don't really care about who calls me what or what others might erroneously think about me. I love my family and I'm content in my life and that's all I need.

Now, back to the original comment by sassy. I still don't think that blogging or designing for teams means you are selling your family out. or pimping them out or whatever. I don't even understand comments like that. My friend writes for a CrossFit blog time to time and shares stories of her+her kids doing family workouts. She gets paid for it. Does that make her someone who is pimping out her family??

I love love love blogging. It's my therapy and many times it is my connection to the outside world. The only adult conversation i have lots of days. Even though it's not a conventional conversation it makes me feel connected.
Who knows. I just kind of think working and doing what makes you happy isn't a bad thing.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 2:07:36 PM
And that's another reason why people are jealous of Stephanie. She doesn't get why they would be.

I don't know Stephanie, don't really interact with her, and she doesn't know me, either. I haven't been there lately so for all I know they have moved onto a new victim. I just get so tired of watching people tear other people down and the particular arena where it is usually done is not one that I am going to lower myself to stepping into other than as an occasional guilty spectator. It gets old knowing that it goes on and it's not your thing to step in and swim in the scum. So, now I'm done. Sorry to use you for an example, Stephanie. You certainly haven't been the only victim. Not being someone's cup of tea is one thing. Making nasty remarks about someone's personal life/appearance/children/whatever is quite another.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 2:29:04 PM
I'm sorry for the OP. She wanted a lite fluff thread to distract her from a rough week. And it went a whole other direction.

But I love reading your words Seanna. You have a way of just putting it out there that I love. I wish I knew you in real life. I think we'd get along. We seem to have similar takes on life.

Back to the topic. - scrap celebs. I really don't know who is in and who is out. I meant it when I said that I was just happy that there are so many talented women ready and willing to share their creativity with everyone. For whatever reason. I love looking at it and getting inspiration. I don't care if they are As Bs or Cs. and calling them demeaning names is just so unnecessary and lessens us.

I've got a different take on it these days. Scrapping memories has more meaning. I was diagnosed with a disease that is crippling me. And could very well shorten my life. I'm currently scrapping from a wheelchair and struggling to hold scissors at times. But its still important and meaningful to me. I want to continue as long as I can. I want to capture our memories and continue to be creative.

So I thank the daily bloggers and those that post in the gallery. And those that post here.
You keep me inspired.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 3:33:08 PM
I try to be honest and share my heart and sometimes that is perceived as whining. I try to be positive and look at the good things in life and sometimes that is perceived as being obnxious. I can't be anything other than what I am and I don't want to try to be anything i'm not.




Stephanie, I subscribe to your blog and I love to read what you have to say. Please don't change a thing!



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I love love love blogging. It's my therapy and many times it is my connection to the outside world. The only adult conversation i have lots of days. Even though it's not a conventional conversation it makes me feel connected.
Who knows. I just kind of think working and doing what makes you happy isn't a bad thing.


It's not and you should do what you love. And just for the record (because I have lurked at the "beast board" I love that you use doilies all the time. People are jealous because you are happy. They want to be where you are. For some reason people just can't be happy for other people. I don't like when other people aren't happy and will do what ever I can to help. Some people are just toxic people that like to say poisonous things and think that they are really cool by making up some obscene names for people. In my world we call them Haters. They hate themselves and take it out on other people. Then they seek out other haters that can validate their hatred. It's all about bad karma, energy, whatever you want to call it. At some point it's going to come back to you.

I don't expect everyone to like me, and I certainly don't care that those people don't. But to go out of your way and waste your time just to say mean things about people really just for the sake of being mean is ridiculous. I think at that point you should re-evaluate your life and who you are maybe even get some anger management help.

For all those women (and men) who promote themselves to get on design teams and are lucky enough to be on them, keep going! If you're on a dt team obviously someone likes your work and in that one person's eyes you are an A lister. And sometime you even get free stuff, money,or even just "a pat on the head" saying good job to boot. Uh, I don't get why you wouldn't want to do it.

Anyone else have the line in your head from Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby "You're witches! All of you, you're witches!"



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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:27:43 PM
terms used in the industry that should be in the urban dictionary:
these terms are not found in the dictionary

journaling-from the root word journal.
a journal is a physical item, the scrapbooking industry used it incorrectly by adding "ing" to the end of the word and some dumb editor or magazine could figure out with spell check it was wrong.

scraplifting-from the root term shoplifting.
where you use an idea and do not have to pay or give credit to the original idea, stealing. Which seriously is NOT stealing because you are not taking the other persons' photo or memory from them. As for copyright protection, you can sue me. We can work that out in court.

product vomit-from CK editors in person conversations.
describing over use of product to draw attention to your layout in order to sell product for a company or get noticed to be chosen for design teams.

design team whore(s)-from the root term attention whore(s)
someone that intentionally makes layouts or other paper crafted items to be noticed or chosen by companies in return for free product. One that uses their personal memories to be pimped out to receive free product.
Yes, I said pimped, because the true meaning of the word pimp can be interchanged in the sentence. Instead of solicited out, you could also use sold out. Dictionary.com is a great resource if you don't know the meaning of the word pimped. A parent is the pimp because they are soliciting their memories/family for free product.


anything else you want to have a definition for, let me know.

as for Stephanie, I did NOT call you a design team whore, it was a classification of scrappers based on their behavior. As the original OP was asking a question and conversation about woman/scrappers who have blogs.

I can not control how anyone reacts to the words I choose to type here. Yes, I can control what I type but considering, this is all opinion based information, you have to read every post with that in mind. It is my opinion.

Here is another fun term

bitch-slang for a woman who is strong enough to voice her opinion and does not care if you dislike her or not. Oh wait, maybe you can replace bitch for 1sassypea.

If we need a lesson on fact vs opinion words, that can be easily created.

p.s. one can blog and keep it private so the world doesn't have access to it.

p.s.s. I am offended by you calling the smack blog "beast blog". Beast is a horrible word and very offense, as I do not have facial hair.



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I really don't know where the thread took a turn from who are the high profile scrappers to talking about a specific pea with a blog. I don't know Stephanie and wouldn't know her work if I saw it. And I am not out of touch in the scrap world. I just don't care about individual scrapbookers who may or may not make some money in the business. I was the one who was bugged about the Shimelle call outs, until I understood there were some videos being made from those posts.

I can appreciate a nice page as much as the next person, but I am unlikely to have any idea who made it nor care. That is why I made my comment about giving credit. That is another one of my peeves - when people think they are the first one who ever did something and wants credit. If I happen to see something on a layout that I end up using down the way, I definately won't be crediting anyone. But I don't post my work anymore anyway - haven't for years.


Also, if you think you are somehow incognito here just because you don't post as yourself on the smack blogs, you are again not as smart as you think you are.


What the hell are you talking about? I feel like I'm on two different threads.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 4:40:37 PM
Ah I see.

Those that have no substance to carry on the point of the conversation distract by using irrelevant information. And your point is.

I don't give a rat's ass what word you used. You made it very clear that you dislike women on design teams because they are not using meaningful pictures and journaling and are getting notoriety for their work. They aren't there to show you how to make meaning out of your life they are there to show you how to use products creatively and get you to buy them. We in turn get to see great work, see different styles and sometimes get to know new people and maybe even make a new friend.

I never knew scrapbooking (not a real word either) was such a horror fest! Good thing I love horror movies.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:02:29 PM
I would never in a million years expect you to know me. I don't work for magazines,I don't have products in my name, or books, i don't travel and teach, and i'm not a brand. I was just answering a question from my point of view. That's all.



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I missed...the part where longtimelurker added her response to the OP question.

As for design team whores, you are correct. I don't like whores in general and I surely don't like pimps.

If you want to have a discussion on if a design team helps or hurts the industry, I will be more than happy to present my side of that debate. Yet, the OP was discussing how do we classify bloggers and our caste system.

If longtimelurker is pointing her comments at me, I would like to know, how is your behavior different than mine, is it only because I used the term whore.



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This thread is making me so sad (said in my best kindergarten teacher voice).
I started reading blogs this fall when I found myself very unexpectedly in the middle of a life change thanks to some chronic illnesses that caused me to resign from my job and rethink my life's plans. It has been very emotional and hard on not just me but also my husband and kids. It's also been a bit of a strain finacially because we weren't counting on losing my income.
Reading blogs both of scrappers and other artists has been a good thing for me. I am scrapping more because like Dianna, I'm really not sure how much longer I can do this hobby that I love. I've gotten a lot inspiration from many of these ladies and I just don't think of them in terms of high, medium or low and definetly not A-listers, DT whores or wannabes- I get your point but that was pretty mean, especially since there are so many people in the industry that read these threads.

I really like Ali Edwards because I love her take on "memory keeping." I enjoy Shimelle's blog because I think she's hilarious and very talented. I've been scrapping for a long time and I learn new things from her all the time. I love Lisa Truesdale (gluestick girl) because her three boys remind me so much of my own two boys and she has some great ideas. There are many more bloggers and scrappers whose work I love-just can't name every one of you. I don't think in celebrity terms either, there are just way too many variables.

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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:08:51 PM
And of course a blog can be private. But if you enjoy the human connection then that's not of any use. I still think that you are generalizing. But in no way are you a b*^ch b/c you have an opinion. That's what makes the world go around. I honestly think it would be so boring if it was any other way. I'm not expecting to change your perception, I am just presenting a different viewpoint.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 5:39:55 PM
[It drives me NUTS that woman and this industry removed the importance of the meaning of scrapbooking, which is to document OUR OWN PERSONAL memories. No matter which one we choose. /quote]

I say, to each his own, and I'm pretty sure we all get to,decide what it means to us. If you get to make money and get free products for scrapping, good for you. I have no issue with it AT ALL. Wish it was me. As far as calling people whores, pimps, and your general bitter tone.....it's crass, and sounds like you are jealous. My opinion.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:08:55 PM

If you want to have a discussion on if a design team helps or hurts the industry, I will be more than happy to present my side of that debate. Yet, the OP was discussing how do we classify bloggers and our caste system.

If longtimelurker is pointing her comments at me, I would like to know, how is your behavior different than mine, is it only because I used the term whore.


If you missed my first epic post then you missed the other 4 as well. Completely missing the point that I said I don't care what words you use. You brought up the whole idea of the people on design teams being whores because they put up meaningless pictures and lots of product to help sell a company's products in return for some paper. You also said that it was ruining the industry.

My point was that scrapbooking is a HOBBY. Selling products, mass marketing, designing products to be sold, showing how they can be used so people buy more, making a profit on said products so the company can continue and grow and produce more products that more people will buy is the INDUSTRY. You can still do the hobby without the industry. You don't need to be bothered with what company is selling what or who is designing for who. This industry is more than just scrapbookers, there are stampers and cardmakers, art journalists, mixed media artists, and just plain artists using the products made in this industry. Some of them I would consider a celebrity in this industry because they create beautiful projects that appeal to me. As I said in a past epic reply, it's subjective. If I like your work then to me you're a celebrity because I would be honored to have one of your creations even if not another single soul knows your name.

You were likening people to whores, which in your own words is something you don't like, which would mean that it was meant in a derogatory way. And it seemed to ME that you were saying they were not worthy of any acknowledgement because they are ruining the industry and should not be classified as celebrities.

On this board we discuss product, lots of product, techniques, design and other peoples work. Many people express that it is the process of the creativity and use of the products that they love not the outcome. You express that it is the keeping a history of family and events with good pictures and journaling. If this is what you want out of this hobby what do you care what someone else does in this industry enough to call them a whore. Again I don't care about the word you used but the fact that you are trying to provoke a demeaning attitude towards someone because their visions and standards are not your visions and standards.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:30:36 PM

OK, let me get this straight.

Things that are OK to do:
1. Call people whores.
2. Call a certain category of people whores.
3. Opine about the horrible censorship that exists on this thread and others on two peas and elsewhere, despite all evidence to the contrary, the continued existence of this thread being Exhibit A.
4. As a corollary of item 3, use that as an excuse to shed your identity (or not) and dwell with the bottom feeders on one of the many smack blogs.

Things that are not OK to do:
1. Express any opinion about items 1-4 that is not in lockstep agreement with items 1-4.



OMG. this is getting redundant, but have I told you lately that I you Seanna? Truly. Madly. Deeply.

and that..history lesson/op-ed? Epic.


Ah I see.

Those that have no substance to carry on the point of the conversation distract by using irrelevant information. And your point is.

I don't give a rat's ass what word you used. You made it very clear that you dislike women on design teams because they are not using meaningful pictures and journaling and are getting notoriety for their work. They aren't there to show you how to make meaning out of your life they are there to show you how to use products creatively and get you to buy them. We in turn get to see great work, see different styles and sometimes get to know new people and maybe even make a new friend.



and Dena. You had me at hello, baby girl. Standing O for you too. Thank you!

Can we rank our favorite message board posters now?

and Diana, how lovely to have you back after all these years. I missed you. Stephanie, you know I'm a Fangirl. Rock on with your beautiful bad self. I'm listening, and interested. and inspired.

>ed to add> that I always enjoyed Sassy Pea's posts. Just totally disagree with her on this thread. Not that she cares. But I did want to put that out there as well. But I take it all back if she's one of those mean Smack Blog troglodites. But I don't think so.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:33:20 PM
I love Dena's posts. That is what I was talking about earlier in this thread. I find the different philosophies in this hobby/industry interesting. As much as people took offense to the term "design team whore", and I'll admit I'm not fond of it, it did get the discussion going, although it took some turns here and there.

I have no idea how the SH conversation came up, or how we are bringing the smack blogs into it. I don't like it when someone finds something over there and brings it back over here. It contaminates this place.

Anyways, I find the workings of this industry pretty interesting. I'm interested in the business deals, the designing, the trends, the marketing, the celebrities, the manufacturers, the blogs, etc. For some reason the whole thing fascinates me.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 6:55:42 PM
HUH????????

I was really looking forward to a discussion of who everyone thinks are the top scrappers in the industry! I've done some quilting over the years and a lot of needlework. I've been to a lot of conventions for those interests.

There is a hierarchy of Who's Who in any large group and this is true for scrapping, quilting, needlework and lots of other groups with a common interest.

When I went to a stitching event, I wanted to take a class with or meet Teresa Wentzler, Martha Beth Lewis, Lori Birmingham, Catherine Strickler, Marilyn Levittown-inblum, Rae Iverson. For a quilting convention I always wanted to take a class with Deirdre McElroy.

I would love to learn about scrapbook people with great ideas and new or different styles that I could learn from. Nothing wrong with finding out who the "A listers" are- they usually are that for a reason.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:19:44 PM
For *some* scrapbooking is a hobby.
For others, it's more than that. A job, an art, an outlet, an obsession, etc

Why is one more right than others?

If I want to sell my layouts for dollars or donuts, who gives a flip? What business is that of yours?

Indy car drives have sponsors names on their cars...no one calls them whores. NFL players sell their services to the highest bidder...no one calls them whores.






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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:20:19 PM
Yvonne, thanks --If "Annabelle" is not one of the chief blog bottle washers, I'd be shocked. I think she is even fairly blatant about it. She brings it here consistently. She sent me an assy peamail once, too. But whatever, her prerogative I guess. I think the NSBR ladies called her fairly quickly and effectively on her bullcrap not too long ago.

I really only am posting again to say to Diana: We are already friends, and it goes back some years. I feel exactly the same way about you. I truly missed you when you were gone from this place, Diana. Sometimes I would write stuff with you in mind (also Julee, who I just love, sometimes and a few others), thinking that if you didn't take offense it was probably all right to say. Like a guide, or a muse, I guess, even though you were not around. If you didn't live in stinky old California (that's the jealousy talking and we all know it), we'd have to figure out a way to meet up. I am so so sorry you are having troubles. I hope you improve from your current situation instead of going the other way. I think you posted on another thread about what the problem was, and I am so, so sorry. It's not fair. It's only the dumb old internet, but I'm a real person and I'm here.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 7:41:13 PM
Dena, you are awesome girl!




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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:05:52 PM
Yikes, I posted the OP, then a little apology to Tracie because I wasn't calling her out and then I forgot I posted this at all. Look what happened.... my little baby thread turned into a real live adult discussion!

And while I was honest when I said I was looking for a distraction, it is refreshing to read a thread where people are talking about big ideas. Lots of times, GS is about products (currently the Cameo but it could be anything at a given time) or common projects (PL, December Daily, whatever). Those are sometimes interesting but often not my thing (but carry on for those who enjoy those threads).

I think it is true that for some of us this is a hobby, but for others it is either an income and/or an important part of how they receive positive feedback. I do believe that the interest in being on design teams or being published is more about recognition and getting people to notice that you are doing a good job, than it is about getting free product.

And that's ok. I tried out for (and made) my LSS's design team partly because I wanted to make new scrappy friends but also because I really did want someone to notice that I am kind of good at something. I used to be good at my career, used to feel bright and successful and interesting on a regular basis, but it is harder to get those positives coming at me as a sahm (though the hugs and kisses are great). Oy, that sounds kind of pathetic in print but it is honest.

I think the same can be said for people who become professional musicians and athletes. Yes, they love what they do, but it is the desire for some kind of recognition that drives them to seek fame, right? There is some funny way that scrapbookers/crafters take more heat for that fame seeking than others do. Is it a form of sexism to some degree?

And I also did come across someone whose method of getting ahead in the industry was annoying. She was on our lss design team. We had regular design team crops, but she never came. We had a design team message board, but her only posts were to point out projects she had done or to ask us to come to her blog and comment because she was trying out for manufacturers design teams and needed to show blog activity. Only once or twice I think she came on and complimented someone else on their work, whereas the rest of us were doing that regularly. I was supportive of her trying to succeed in the business,but she didn't give back what she was asking of the rest of us (some of whom were already on manufacturers design teams) and it felt, well, yucky. I'll refrain from using the whore word.

BTW, thanks. You successfully distracted me from my lousy week for a few minutes!!



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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:14:54 PM

I do believe that the interest in being on design teams or being published is more about recognition and getting people to notice that you are doing a good job, than it is about getting free product.


I would have to disagree with this. I have a design team for my store and I'm pretty sure the gals on my team are there because they like the products and think they are fun to use in their crafting. At least that's what I've been told. Either way, there is nothing wrong with either reason in my opinion I just don't think that the majority of scrappers on dt's do it for recognition. I think they love the craft first and foremost.

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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:21:04 PM
As for me, I choose the book over the author, the story over the storyteller. Every time. Even a "high profile" author cannot guarantee a compelling narrative. Genius and inspiration are not the products of rank.

Pinterest itself is evidence that most of us pin based on what we SEE and not who created what we see (although in light of copyright issues lately, we probably should do both). Most pins of pages that I see don't even include the scrapper's name. They say things like "awesome" or "I heart this" or "grid chevron" or "cute banner." When they do use a name (e.g. "I LOVE everything X does" ), it's still clear that the product rather than the producer is what has made an impact.

I have been pinned ("whore" imagery aside), and whenever my name happens to appear misspelled on a pin or happens to go missing, I don't think, "Gosh, get it RIGHT." What I do think is, "Wow, that's so awesome -- this person liked my page!" My page. My page. My PAGE. Not me.

I agree that we all eventually fade away, literally or figuratively, and thus, "I" am ultimately inconsequential, but what I DO matters. It matters to ME, and when it stops mattering to me, I think that it will be evident on the page. Scrapping is a source of pleasure for me (and again, I must dispense with the "whore" imagery and shake my head at the new meaning of "layout" that has been introduced today). I do not do it for the "free stuff." In fact, I would do it without any compensation. It's what I did before, and it is what I will do someday, just as a writer will always be a writer even if he or she does not sell a single line of text.

I think we know what it's like to read bad formula fiction, to know that an author wasn't really deeply invested in the telling of the story. The author impacts the book, but let's not kid ourselves -- while an author's name might draw us to a book, we don't keep reading because of the author; we are drawn to the pages because of the stories he or she tells, and the way he or she tells them.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 8:34:29 PM
Seanna. you have p mail

Mamastosh and Jill - beautfully written.
It's true - we all like being recognized for something we do well. And being paid in hugs and kisses - or product is all OK.

I was on an LSS design team eons ago and it did make me smile when people said my work was good. It's a nice ego boost.

Now I scrap for me and family. Heartwarming in a different way.




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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:14:43 PM
Yes, I read the smack blog, I also read OMG, TMZ, CNN, and gasp SH blog too (well not really read it, but look at those cute babies she has).

I study laws and lobby for better legislation. You will also find my written work often in your home, as I have worked for some of the largest companies in the world. Wonder how all that information just shows up on pharmacy and health and beauty packaging? LOL, I was even featured in ads for photo developing services with a cute snow scene of a snort fort made after winter storm. :> I didn't get paid for that, not even free photo developing.

I go to church, I donate to 10% of my income to woman shelters, I have adopted, I have a family of my own. I am the 1st one to offer you something from my stash at a crop.

So, yes, I read the smack blogs. I find them entertaining.

The best part is...I have been on several design teams, gasp even worked a CHA booth a few times too.

The scariest thing about me is...I vote.

p.s. hope you all sleep well and think of me in your dreams.


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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:20:51 PM


I would have to disagree with this. I have a design team for my store and I'm pretty sure the gals on my team are there because they like the products and think they are fun to use in their crafting. At least that's what I've been told. Either way, there is nothing wrong with either reason in my opinion I just don't think that the majority of scrappers on dt's do it for recognition. I think they love the craft first and foremost.


OK, my view is perhaps a little skewed because we did not get to keep the projects we made when I was on a design team, nor were we allowed to use any photos. The boxes were loaded so there were always leftovers, but I used the best stuff for the project, so what was left was not so compelling. Ironically, I was also never given product that matched my taste, that I would have purchased myself, though it was not 'bad' product, often the latest, just not my particular taste.

I scrap and art journal and craft because I love to do it. To join a design team, there has to be another motivation, be it recognition and approval or product or ???? All of them are fine, but I don't think anyone would join a dt without wanting something else from the experience besides just doing what they could do on their own, right? Not a bad thing, just real.



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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:43:38 PM
Wow,
You guys are so interesting. I wish I could crop with you all .
I have been scrapbooking since 2001. I been dreaming about been publish, been a design team, Whatever! Not because I want to be famous because I want free products or scrapbook with is my job excuse.
I was a BIG Heidi Swapp and BH fan. Then I kind os stopped following the magazines and everything. Now I started to be active here since like a year ago. Honestly I don't know who is who anymore. I was appalled when I read a post about smash blog and peaked into it. I think I got dizzy trying to figure out what they were talking about. I think we have all have our own opinion of who is A list a who is not. For some could be the money they made at our expense and treat us like dirt at the CKC (not that happened to me...twice!!! )
Or because they sold a lot of sketches books or because they got published or got signed with a paper company. Anyways!!! That doesn't mean is just an opinion. I'm a very positive person...to the point if naiveness. I really want to keep it that way so If I love a scrapbooker's style I will follow them. Do I want to meet them?...Not Anymore!!! do I want to buy their products? maybe if I like them. Do I care if they are it or how they rank not really cuz what comes up most come down.
There are people that I wouldn't go to their classes even if you pay me!( whisper: Tim Holtz)
The way I see it the less I know the more I will really love their product. I wish I could love Heidi Swapp's line right now (hint hint)
Although I will follow Pennyscrapps, oh! Ivonne and any other peas if they become the "it" Girls
I bet you Ivonne is going to get signed with Honey Badger Line by American Crafts pretty soon! Lol


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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:46:10 PM
ETA: This was directed at Annabelle's post above

And, the point you are trying to make is what?

Uhg! I hate that I got sucked into this ugly crap. I'm sorry for the tirades everyone but I just can't stand women bashing on other women. I don't understand it. The name calling doesn't bother me because they are only words and they have no power over me, but to purposely demean an entire group of people because you don't like what they do is counter productive.

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Posted: 4/1/2012 10:48:24 PM
I've been thinking about this thread since I posted last night. (Before you think I don't have a life, I'm at the beginning of my Spring Break and quite happy to have something other than work to think about!)

While I agree with the notion that everyone's list of A-listers/big names/scrap celebs (whatever you choose to call them) will be different based on individual perspectives, I also think that one's perspective is also shaped by how long you've been following this industry. Yes, I'll admit to being old enough to have followed it since the very beginning of its current inception! (Mid/Late 90s.)

I think the reason that the "big names" became those "big names" has nothing to do with blogs or design teams. Those came later. The big names in the industry happened to be at the right place at the right time and got into the industry in its early days. Stacy Julian had already published at least one book/booklet before she hooked up with CK and then Simple Scrapbooks. (Her "Core Composition" was a tremendous help in improving my scrapping.) Like I said in the previous post, Becky Higgins was working for CK in the late 90s, and her fresh approach and ideas were a big part of the magazine's appeal.

There is another factor in the rise of many scrapping careers that has yet to be mentioned in this thread. What do Ali E, Heidi S and Cathy Z
have in common? They are all CK Hall of Fame winners. Yes, that much maligned contest (nowadays, anyway) was the catalyst for MANY scrappers' rise to fame.

Other HOF winners?

1999 Kerri Bradford, Emily Waters
2000 Heidi S, Rebecca Sowers
2001 Lisa Brown, Shimelle Laine
2002 Jennifer Ditz (MacGuire), Erin Lincoln, Cathy Z
2003 Faye Morrow Bell, Jenni Bowlin, Ali E, Nichol Magourik
2004 Rhonna Farrer, Christy Tomlinson
2005 Leah Fung
2006 Jessica Sprague

I had to chuckle when someone mentioned Shimelle as "rising" in the industry. She's been in it longer than Ali! Kudos to her that she is still has much to offer. There are obviously plenty of names that I left off, but if you look at lists of past HOF winners, it's the same as reading the contributors's lists for CK, SB etc., and many of the scrapping books. Manufacturers then jumped on the bandwagon and hired many of the HOFers to design product, be on their DTs, etc.

What else has made these women rise to the top of the industry? (I know I haven't addressed Tim Holtz, but he has the two characteristics I'm about to describe!) An entrepreneurial spirit and a gift for self-promotion (yes, it's been called something else on this thread). How many of these women own their own company - Stacy Julian, Becky Higgins, Jenni Bowlin, Jessica Sprague, Heidi S (a couple!), etc. When blogs became the big thing, these women were savvy enough to know they needed to jump on this bandwagon. Many of those blogs were eventually changed into their own websites. As for Tim, yes, he's scrapped some pages, but he is not a scrapper. However, he is a master of self-promotion!

One more thing I want to address... Someone mentioned Mary Engelbreit as having "disappeared". Mary has been drawing, designing and licensing her designs since the 1980s. Her career has included a very successful and popular magazine (Mary Engelbreit's Home Companion, anyone?). The licensing of her designs for the scrapbooking market was but a very small part of her very successful empire. As matter of fact, other than Lisa Bearnson's founding of CK, no one mentioned in this post can hold a candle to Mary E.

If you have read this far, this teacher on Spring Break apologizes for the history lesson she felt compelled to impart! I hope this perspective and most humble opinions shed a new light on the discussion.

ETA: forgot Nichol M's name on the 2003 HOF list



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Posted: 4/1/2012 11:54:14 PM
Your list of Hall of Famers is fascinating, and explains quite a lot. Thanks for the history lesson!



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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:04:59 AM
Thanks, mamashosh... saving all those HOF books came in handy!



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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:16:11 AM
Yes!
Thank You craftyann! I forgot so many of those names. I decided to google some of them. And now I remember who Jenni bowlin was. I just started to get into her products. I remember her scrap room, it was dreamy!!! Also if I remember correctly she designed for lil Davis.


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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:38:07 AM
This thread reminds me of the MANY NSBR threads on teachers, which is to say that two opposing points of view are both correct, it just depends on your frame of reference.

In the NSBR threads, bashing teachers or defending them, the other side of the coin is often overlooked.

Bashing awful teachers? They ARE out there. But there are awesome, life changing teachers out there, working long hours for little, enduring slings and arrows, changing lives for the better. Making magic happen.

But no matter how much I love teachers there are HORRIBLE people who have no business being in a classroom and yet, they are there.
Both sides of the coin are true.


I think it's the same thing in this conversation.

There are "design team whores" out there (I think that was the phrase)
There are also people doing what they love, with passion and flair and they inspire us.

It all just depends on the person that you are referencing AND on your own point of view/experiences.

If you have a some what "jaded" view of the industry it can be because you've seen behind Oz's curtain and you know the truth and it wasn't all pretty -----
----or because you have never been To Design Team City and you are "jalous".

One coin, two truths.

Just my opinion, of course.


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Posted: 4/2/2012 6:39:56 AM
That's a good way to look at it, I guess I choose to NOT live my life with a jaded view of things. I like to live in my own little world where everyone is happy and pleasant anyway. It's like Disneyland in my head over here. (don't bring the real world in please!) hehe



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Posted: 4/2/2012 7:31:34 AM
I did not say Shimelle was rising - I know how long she's been around because I've been around longer. I said there were recent Shimelle callouts because she has been featured HERE. Not that she just fell from the sky last week. Sheesh.

All the love being passed around for a few here reminds me of the old Pub. Before it died and all the industry people came back over here, where they were before the Pub, but when the Pub was active they were over there spreading the love.

Just because you do not agree with 1sassypea does not mean she can't give her opinion, and I hope she does. I can't stand when everyone just sits around like bobble heads nodding in agreement with the popular view. Who cares who goes to the blog and why even bring it up? Maybe there is a blog because people can't disagree over here without taking alot of scrap for it. Longtime, you have posted several times about hating when women bash each other, but you are right here bashing back. If you don't want to be part of a discussion, you can always skip the thread. But you are trying to direct how someone else should say what they want to say. If you disagree, then just disagree, but telling people how they should say what they want to say is too much.

Every once in awhile we get the possibility of a good discussion over here and then the ones come along who just want to spread hearts and flowers. This industry has high level scrappers and medium level scrappers, as described by the OP, and that's what the subject of the thread is. You can always start your own thread if you don't like this one.


As for me, I choose the book over the author, the story over the storyteller. Every time. Even a "high profile" author cannot guarantee a compelling narrative. Genius and inspiration are not the products of rank.



This is really deep, and I really like it.


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Posted: 4/2/2012 8:21:30 AM
Myboysnme, it was another poster who referred to Shimelle as "medium and rising". I don't know if the rest of your post was directed to me or not.



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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:37:39 AM

Every once in awhile we get the possibility of a good discussion over here and then the ones come along who just want to spread hearts and flowers.


You can have a good discussion/debate without name calling or demeaning others. Jeez, WHY does anyone need to be nasty to get their point across. I don't get why such negativity is tolerated by anyone.


Just because you do not agree with 1sassypea does not mean she can't give her opinion, and I hope she does. I can't stand when everyone just sits around like bobble heads nodding in agreement with the popular view.


Nobody said anything about her not being able to give her opinion, we just remarked about the nasty tone she said it in. Opine all you want but do it without demeaning others. I don't see anyone acting like a bobble head, people just want to be treated with common courtesy. You know, the things we learn in kindergarten...



Longtime, you have posted several times about hating when women bash each other, but you are right here bashing back. If you don't want to be part of a discussion, you can always skip the thread. But you are trying to direct how someone else should say what they want to say. If you disagree, then just disagree, but telling people how they should say what they want to say is too much.


I never saw Dena "bash" anyone. She simply disagreed with 1sassypea and you call that bashing? Aren't you the one fighting for the right to have an opinion here? And again, Dena (Longtime) was not telling her WHAT to say. She disagreed and you don't like that, period.

For the record, anyone can have any opinion they want but I like my hearts and flowers and don't want to see anyone called a whore simply for doing what they love. (no matter WHY they do it, they are still doing what they love right?).

So in closing... (lol) Opine all you want but DON'T demean or insult others. Again, kindergarten lessons here ladies.



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Posted: 4/2/2012 11:13:17 AM
Thank you Kat! I you!


Just because you do not agree with 1sassypea does not mean she can't give her opinion, and I hope she does. I can't stand when everyone just sits around like bobble heads nodding in agreement with the popular view. Who cares who goes to the blog and why even bring it up? Maybe there is a blog because people can't disagree over here without taking alot of scrap for it. Longtime, you have posted several times about hating when women bash each other, but you are right here bashing back. If you don't want to be part of a discussion, you can always skip the thread. But you are trying to direct how someone else should say what they want to say. If you disagree, then just disagree, but telling people how they should say what they want to say is too much.

Every once in awhile we get the possibility of a good discussion over here and then the ones come along who just want to spread hearts and flowers. This industry has high level scrappers and medium level scrappers, as described by the OP, and that's what the subject of the thread is. You can always start your own thread if you don't like this one.


I NEVER tried to direct a single thing she said. Wait I'm a bobble head because I don't agree with what Annabelle said. Well isn't that the pot calling the kettle black. I didn't bash her either I disagreed with her. And for the record the only thing I mentioned about the blog was that it wouldn't be there if there wasn't an industry and then someone else brought it up and that's how it fully got integrated into the conversation and yes I did reference it again afterwards. Reading comprehension people, reading comprehension. If you don't understand what I am saying please ask me before explaining to me what you think I'm saying.

Um, I did take part in the discussion early on. I just happened to disagree with the fact that Annabelle thought that the women on DT were middle tier and were ruining the industry. Let me explain in hearts and flowers for you. The industry has changed and scrapbooking is all but a small part of it. I disagreed with the fact that she thought the purpose of scrapbooking industry was to document meaningful memories. I said that the purpose of the industry was to promote and sell product. Many different people are using scrapbooking products that are not scrapbookers and are getting on manufacturer design teams with these projects that have nothing to do with documenting meaningful memories. These are people that like to create and share their work. I disagreed with the fact that design teams were ruining the industry because layouts submitted did not use meaningful pictures and took the focus off of the photo by using too much product. Not everyone wants or likes to scrapbook but they do like the products and try to use them in new ways. Without these people there would be no need to continue making pretty papers and embellishments. No one would know they exist. Yes, I admit I did take personal offense to lumping the group of people that are on design teams, try out to be on design teams, or even just want to be on design teams as people making useless projects to promote products for companies and therefore ruining the industry. I like many people that are on many design teams and don't think they should be reduced to medium levels because you don't like what they do. Aren't the Garden Girls a design team? Pretty insulting since I consider many of them A listers.

I also was trying to make the point that an A lister is not a constant. If you cannot keep up with trends and keep a following and maintain a positive image of yourself (and I don't mean squeaky clean, holier than thou, everything I do is perfect image) you will be replaced by someone else. I agree there are A listers and medium tiers and nobodies in every aspect of life. It's ever changing constantly evolving and is completely subjective to each person's perspective (poet and didn't even know it).

I answered what I thought were A listers, mediums and lows and was very much part of the discussion. I specifically answered those questions in my second post I think.

You think throwing demeaning words around and really having nothing constructive to say is voicing your opinion and makes a good discussion? And let's be completely honest - it was definitely meant to be derogatory, hurtful and used to stir up crap at which I took the bait and was therefore successful. But it isn't okay to disagree with someone using hearts and flowers and rainbows or whatever?

Why does someone need a negative view and say big bad words to make a good discussion? Is that why you didn't see that I was part of the discussion because I didn't use the "proper language"?

Sorry for the hearts and flowers but it takes a lot less energy than spewing obscenities just so you can show the world how much better and right you are than everyone else.

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I love this thread.


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Posted: 4/2/2012 12:46:15 PM
Hell must be freezing over b/c 1sassypea and I somewhat agree on something.

First of all "whore" as she used it, is perfectly acceptable in other contexts. For example, I am a self-proclaimed designer bag whore, formerly nailpolish whore and even more formerly make-up whore. It doesn't mean I slept with people to get the stuff, it's just an expression. It means you're obsessed with it, a slave to it. You slave away at work to make the money to afford that thing, handing over that money like you would to a pimp. Like I said, IT'S AN EXPRESSION. I know that for the pearl clutching community, it's a bad bad word and some may not be able to see past its literal meaning. But alas, there is one.

Now not all people on DT's are "DT whores." But some most certainly are. It's the same people who after being on 7 teams at the same time, ending up burning out and quitting the hobby. It's the people that apply to every DT call and once accepted quit a month later for wanting "to spend more time with family" and then 2 months later are already on 2 other DT's, which they will quit soon again. It's as if the thrill of making a DT is what they are after.

Finally, quite a few known DT people admitted that they have made LO's specifically for a magazine call b/c they were pressured by the manufacturer they designed for. They also admit they didn't love these pages, they ended up throwing them out later. That's what Annabelle was talking about. Perhaps if you choose to see past her brash delivery, you'd see that there was a valid point there.

Also, I wanted to say that I do read the "beast blog." It's the one place where not every post is either sunshine and rainbows or updates on the status of your Cameo order (seriously, we don't care that it's shipping tomorrow, stuck in Missouri, or that USPS says "out for delivery." It's ok to be excited but no need to start a separate thread for each update.) Anyhoo, I dont read the blog for personal attacks, I read it for honest reviews, and often to defend bloggers who are unfairly smacked. I also found out about some good sales through the blog. NOTE: I do not post on the NSBR smack blog - i think it's vile.



I think the same can be said for people who become professional musicians and athletes. Yes, they love what they do, but it is the desire for some kind of recognition that drives them to seek fame, right? There is some funny way that scrapbookers/crafters take more heat for that fame seeking than others do. Is it a form of sexism to some degree?


I have to tell you that it's that bad in every female-dominated industry. When I was a nailpolish whore, and went on the appropriate forums, it was just as bad. Husbands not understanding the hobby, people not understanding why you need 64 shades of pink nailpolish alone. There were also parallel smack (BASH) boards/blogs, that make the NSBR smack blog seem like Disneyland. Bloggers were smacked, people were crazy, internet stalking, internet fraud, crazy nonsense, so pretty much the same as here. lol. Same was with the make-up boards. I am absolutely convinced that us women are our own worst enemy. That's why men can get away with so much sexism - because women can't get along long enough to do something positive with ourselves.




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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:25:42 PM
great post Lena.

I do personally disagree about the usage of the word 'whore'. In your example and for most other people, it's used as self-depreciating humor. As in "I'm a label whore' etc. I thought that Sassy's tirade about others being 'blog whores' was freaking cruel and untrue for the majority of them.

Lord knows I'm no pearl clutcher. You only have to go back through my recent post history where I Beetlejuiced Noelle Hyman when I mentioned I didn't like the way she came off clueless about product knowledge on the Paper Clipping Roundtable. I didn't call her bad names, I didn't assign her a label, but I did express my annoyance and wondered if she was doing it for the benefit of her guest speakers so they could discuss the product. She came on and clarified some things and I respected her for doing that. She had every right. And I didn't feel bad about it because I think I probably gave her some insight on how some of her listeners are viewing her. She puts on a great show and that was my only critique of her. Well that and the annoying endless laughing at inside jokes sometimes.

So yeah, I bobble headed a lot, because Dena said a lot of what I was thinking too. No use to make this thread redundant and type the same things over and over. I like saying "yeah, me too!". I like when other people do that for me a well, because sometimes you put something out there, and you hear 'crickets' you start to worry you are the crazy one who only thinks that way.

anyway, interesting thread, because I, like you, roll my eyes at the "My Cameo is shipping' threads' enough already, lol.

Disagreeing is not censorship, and sometimes the majority is just not gonna agree with you. If you put it out there, you have to remember the ol' big girl panties rule around here and wear them proudly. It can be done.


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Posted: 4/2/2012 2:02:34 PM
Annebelle! LOVE that you put a face to who the collective WE are as scrapbookers… we are diverse and opinionated!

Leticia- Scrapbooking has a great history- I remember each of those winners like it was yesterday. I too chuckled at some of the comments made earlier about rising stars… should have been founding stars..

Lena- Don’t even get me started on the whole Design team whore thing.. I personally don’t understand why manufacturers allow their DT members to create for their competitors.. to me brand loyality would mean being on one DT.. but that’s another thought for another day


Ohh and who knew the Smack blog was still around.. I remember reading it back in the day of the Kristina Contes controversay...


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myboysnme
Living life on the left

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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:26:42 PM

Myboysnme, it was another poster who referred to Shimelle as "medium and rising". I don't know if the rest of your post was directed to me or not.


No, it definately wasn't directed at you, unless you were one of the people that used the love icon,

Is 'Opine' a new pea word? I've seen it about 50 times in the past few days. I know what it means, but it is not one of the words you normally read more than once a year.


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Longtimelurker
BucketHead

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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:36:28 PM

First of all "whore" as she used it, is perfectly acceptable in other contexts. For example, I am a self-proclaimed designer bag whore, formerly nailpolish whore and even more formerly make-up whore. It doesn't mean I slept with people to get the stuff, it's just an expression. It means you're obsessed with it, a slave to it. You slave away at work to make the money to afford that thing, handing over that money like you would to a pimp. Like I said, IT'S AN EXPRESSION. I know that for the pearl clutching community, it's a bad bad word and some may not be able to see past its literal meaning. But alas, there is one.



I don't understand why everyone keeps bringing whore back into the conversation. We were over that about 50 posts ago. Annabelle did say that she doesn't like pimps or whores and was lumping her b listers as design team whores and that was not meant as a compliment. Therefore, she was using the figurative expression as an insult. I think she pretty much admitted that. I must have said about 3 times that I disagreed with the idea that people that are on design teams are B listers and are hurting the industry NOT that she called them whores (use whatever words you want)In case anybody missed it that is where the DISCUSSION was. Annabelle explained that she thought that using pictures that were of no importance on projects used for design team projects was hurting what scrapbooking was to her. I disagreed to what she considered B listers and C listers for that matter and what the scrapbook industry was about and what design teams are used for.

If you go back and reread everything Annabelle and I are actually having a very good discussion. I am in no way bashing her I just disagree with her about where the industry is going and what it is becoming.

I don't think you need to have a product line and teach classes to be an A lister. I find that many A listers are no longer relevant in today's industry. Actually scrapbooking is a small part of a bigger all inclusive craft and hobby industry where certain types of crafters using the same products will overlap. Not all design team projects using a manufacturers products are going to be scrapbooking layouts with important personal meaning. Heck many projects are not even going to be layouts. The job of a design team is to promote product. The use of blogs, social media and videos have taken the place of magazines because it's reaching a broader audience and it's a lot cheaper than publishing a magazine. I'm not really interested in what goes on behind the scenes or in personal lives. I want to see product and application of product. If you are on a design team and your work is something that inspires me and many others to create, it sells product, keeps the market current. Then to me that is an A lister.

Anyone else want to stop harping on the whore word and actually have this discussion?



Longtimelurker
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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:41:19 PM

I am absolutely convinced that us women are our own worst enemy. That's why men can get away with so much sexism - because women can't get along long enough to do something positive with ourselves.



I agree with this 100%



Seanna.
PeaFixture

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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:03:02 PM
Opine is the new pea word. It's like "chevron" only in word form, rather than graphic interpretation. I think we should all blame Bill O'Reilly. He says it on every show. "Name and town, name and town, if you wish to OPINE." Every single day. YES I WATCH IT SOMETIMES. And if I don't, it's usually on in the kitchen anyway because my husband has some sort of TV addiction and that's what he puts on in the evening. I think he's afraid he'll miss bin Laden getting taken down or something. Anyway, I think O'Reilly has helped to beat it into the lexicon.

However, in the spirit of being friendly and helpful, here are some alternatives from which to choose:

affirm
clarify
object
commentate
conclude
expound (kind of like this one, suits my bloviating ways, heh)
disclose
interject
remark
point out
express
illustrate
bring out
reflect
elucidate (you need a degree though)
interpose
and my favorite:
animadvert. WTH.

Please feel free to make use of any or all of these words. I own none of them and they all want to be taken out and trotted about once in a while.

Alternatively, "opine" is still free of all trademark despite that dastardly O'Reilly's best efforts.


When I went to edit my signature, the "Edit Signature" title was spelled wrong. So that was distracting and I forgot what I wanted my new signature to be.

Seanna.
PeaFixture

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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:05:26 PM
P.S. My special power seems to be the ability to post the first post at the top of a new page. I'd rather have a different power.


When I went to edit my signature, the "Edit Signature" title was spelled wrong. So that was distracting and I forgot what I wanted my new signature to be.

oh yvonne
Pea-rom Queen

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Posted: 4/2/2012 9:24:27 PM
well, I thought I'd help with the flow of the convo if I deleted my last unnecessary post.
I rather liked your explanation much better. I think you are right.

My mom actually has a No Spin Zone mug and it's always on when I go to my parent's house. I enjoyed his Lincoln book. I love it when he's on The View and gets Joy and Whoopie all kerfuffled, they absolutely choke on their own special kind of outrage while he sits there supremely amused.

Cracks me the hell up every time.



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Yvonne, lover of old garden roses, my DH Enrique, Marissa and Dahlia Lynn!

"what is yvoone class prom queen or something of pea high? Thats gotta be the big joke here under the bleechers."
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