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Posted: 5/22/2012 9:35:26 AM
I would love to know opinions. I love looking at sketches for inspiration but often feel guilty that I am 'cheating' as it is not an original idea. what's your take on this?
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Posted: 5/22/2012 9:39:44 AM
Nope, not at all. Here is my funny story. I have always kidded with my boys about how they use cheat books and sites for their video games to advance them along. Well not too long along, I got my first sketch book and was browsing. DH saw that it was not like my mags with pics just sketches and he asked what it was. I told him. Oldest DS was sitting there and he said, "Oh, a cheat book". DH laughed and agreed.

Sketch book. Cheat book. If it helps me get a few more pages dones, so be it. I have plenty of original(and boring in my opinion) pages. Now I want to get some UUMPH! on there and get a few more done at a time.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 9:57:19 AM
Why is it cheating? I feel that no matter where/how I get my inspiration, as long as I am putting it together, I made it. No one ever said that a scrapbook page had to be 100% or even 50% original.

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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:00:22 AM
Nothing is original anymore. If I put too many rules on scrapbooking it takes the fun out of it. I can either sit and agonize over picture placement for an hour or I can find a sketch that inspires me and get started within minutes. For me there is no guilt in scraplifting. Why do you think scrap magazines, online galleries, and blogs exist? To inspire!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:03:38 AM
if you are using it for your own personal use i don't feel like it is cheating. i created sketches for a kit club and challenges. i love to see people use them. HOWEVER if you plan on submitting your layout or project that you made from a sketch then you must give credit where credit is due. it is cheating if you say that it is all your own work.




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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:07:18 AM
Exactly what Marypats said.

You should tell your son that he is using "cheat books" to tell him how to play the game and get through it. You use sketches to inspire you, but you change it up using your own creativity.

In the end, it's similar, but different.

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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:08:46 AM
Not Cheating! But I also agree with marypats.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:10:41 AM
With so many sketch books, blogs, challenges and the like out there I think you can safely say that using sketches is an accepted part of scrapping. I think it is fun and inspirational. I agree, however, that you shouldn't submit anything for publication that came from a sketch and I think when you share your layouts with friends on MBs that you should credit the sketch creator.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:17:51 AM
Nothing is original anymore. If I put too many rules on scrapbooking it takes the fun out of it.




Exactly I love sketches as a starting point and I also like "starting points" Shimelle-style. I pin sketches to my pinboard all the time and use them almost everytime I do a page. Now I will change it up a bit, maybe turn it sideways, make a 2-page out of a 1-page and vice-versa but I don't come up with my own ideas very often-I end up staring at that page FOREVER if I don't have something.

I also try not to get hung up on rules or being perfect. I try to just keep going if I make a mistake, nobody ever really notices and sometimes the "mistake" looks better than what I planned (and chocolate chip cookies were the best mistake ever).

If I'm going to post it somewhere or enter it in a challenge, I will credit where the sketch came from (why I love Pinterest and how they loop it back to the source).

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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:22:21 AM
I call it a time saver. Otherwise I'd spend even a lot more time than I already do just figuring out what to do with the pics.



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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:25:30 AM
not cheating, we all take inspiration from millions of different places so go for it and be guilt free!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:07:08 AM
Agree with marypats - it's fine for personal use, but not for submission. I think if you post it to an online gallery like 2Peas, you should mention you used a sketch from whatever source.

Besides, sometimes we modify sketches to fit our layout or style, right? That's not cheating. Maybe you substitute a piece of patterned paper for one of the photos, or stars for butterflies, or you flip the sketch layout.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:14:50 AM
i'm with the "nothing is original" idea .... if you look hard enough you will find a sketch, and or layout that looks pretty similar to what's you've just spent hours creating as an "original" idea.

I use sketches as a jumping off point ... take one or two things from it and add my own thing here or something from another sketch .. its not cheating unless you really do copy ... in supplies used, image similarities, can't tell the difference form the original yadda yadda. credit is nice, but twist it how you want.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:16:28 AM
Not cheating.

As for giving credit, I'm torn on that. I have mentioned sketches and I have definitely not mentioned sketches. I have literally a thousand or more sketches saved on my computer. I could show you 10 sketches, by 10 different sketch artists, that are virtually identical. Who gets the credit?

I also rarely reference the products (unless brand new or mostly from one collection) or manufacturers.

When there is a million rules as to who needs to get credit with every upload, I quickly lose interest in uploading.

I'm also of the opinion that nothing is truly original anymore. Your photo, your adhesive, your paper choices, your creation.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:38:20 AM
Speaking in general terms, not anyone specific...

Funny how some people make an issue of crediting using someone's sketch or for 'scraplifting'. Yet I've seen many LO's where people used a poem or quote with no credit that can be seen to the original author.




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Posted: 5/22/2012 12:32:52 PM
Well said MaryPats!

I have been scrapping now 15 years and am completely out of ideas. To me there is no difference using a sketch, scraplifting, browsing the gallery, etc.

People use recipes to cook don't they???


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Posted: 5/22/2012 12:49:27 PM
Using sketches is not cheating! I feel absolutely no guilt whatsoever when I use a sketch to scrapbook memories for my family. I'm not trying to win a contest or anything like that, but rather make pretty memory books that my DD will someday cherish. And besides, who really cares?? Oftentimes, I'll use a sketch as a jumping-off point and just get inspiration from it.

I use recipes (sometimes) to cook with, sometimes I add a little of this or that or substitute an ingredient or two or even combine a couple different recipes together to come up with something of my own. It's all good. I use patterns to cross stitch, etc. etc.

No sense in trying to reinvent the wheel or spending forever moving pics around and trying to come up with a new design each and every time. Getting the pictures scrapped and the stories told and put into scrapbooks is the most important thing. Not the design or where you got it.

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Posted: 5/22/2012 1:01:13 PM
I was always taught in school that it is not cheating if you sight the source. So if it makes you feel like cheating, sight the source; use the inspiration and CREATE!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 1:13:29 PM
I always feel this way! I swear I could make all of cardztvs cards. Lol.

I had never looked at using a sketch is the same as a recipe. That was well said!!! I have a new outlook on sketches now.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 2:16:51 PM
I don't think it's cheating to use a sketch. Just the way they are presented with the intention of inspiring people makes me think of them as tools.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 2:47:57 PM
I dont think there is cheating in scrapbooking, when it comes to personal use. My family and friends see my pages and they don't care of i used a sketch or not.

Now, if I was showing it somewhere for the public, I would definitely give credit where credit is due.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 3:23:36 PM
Cheating what or who?

In order to cheat, there have to be rules. To quote Tom Hanks...."THERE'S NO RULES IN SCRAPBOOKING"....oh wait....well someone said it



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Posted: 5/22/2012 3:30:50 PM
NOT CHEATING.

If anything makes scrapbooking easier, it's a great sketch. I'm all for making layouts 'easier' because I'm so behind! I'm not submitting them for a DT position anywhere, I just want my photos scrapped!!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 3:46:12 PM
Not cheating!

Wherever you find your inspiration, go with it! So long as you're enjoying what you do it's all good


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Posted: 5/22/2012 3:49:09 PM
No way it's cheating. I think of it as inspiration. Plus a layout I make from a sketch rarely resembles the original anyway since the project takes on a life of it's own after you get started.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 4:25:08 PM
In no way does using a sketch mean I've cheated. Sketches are meant to be a starting off point and used for inspiration.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 4:54:19 PM
I used to never use sketches. I cut them out of magazines and adhered them to my sketch book along with some I had drawn.
But never used them, because I wanted my layouts to be mine.

Fast forward to today and only 2 layouts complete in the last 2 years, yup you read that right.
So this last weekend I brought out the sketches and went to work and did 8, 2 page spreads
Some of my pages didn't even look like the sketches when I was done.

I say use the sketches. Seriously, is it really that important, as long as you get your memories documented.
I don't submit my pages to magazines, but I can see giving credit to the sketch artist if you do.

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Posted: 5/22/2012 5:13:54 PM
Cheating how? As long as the pages are for your memory keeping and enjoyment and you aren't claiming the ideas as wholly original and your own what's not to love?

I assume sketches are published and shared to be used.



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Posted: 5/22/2012 5:29:34 PM
Is it "cheating" to use a recipe? I'm following someone else's steps to recreate a look I like..just like in cooking when I use a recipe to recreate a dish I like...

and we're supporting people in the industry by purchasing a product or generating blog traffic which translates into ad revenue, so it's actually helping support our artistic community.

Besides, I bet very few people replicate a sketch down to the last detail, even with a kit.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 5:57:58 PM
Thanks ladies. I love the recipe analogy. And cone feel a lot more confident using sketches now I don't do my lo s to submit to anything my scrapbook is solely for my own collection. Thank you for putting a brighter light on it for me. And again your right I never come out of it with my lo looking like the sketch.
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Posted: 5/22/2012 6:07:07 PM
I do not think using a sketch is cheating. I also don't think there are any original ideas (for layout placement) out there anymore.

I once scrapped an original page that I never shared. A few months later I came across a page where the layout was exactly like mine. No sketch was used on either layout, yet we both came up with the idea on our own. It happens.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:12:05 PM
If I didn't use a sketch I'd get nothing done, haha! I'm not that creative nor relaxed and laid back, I need to follow a plan. Or in this case, a recipe... I like that!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:45:25 PM
I didn't know you could 'cheat' at scrapbooking


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Posted: 5/22/2012 7:46:40 PM
I'm prejudiced since I'm on the Sketch Support team, but I love using sketches, especially with one photo layouts. For some reason, those are tough for me.

I've submitted sketch layouts for publication and I credit the sketch. I worry sometimes, though, that maybe that credit won't get printed, mainly because there's usually no separate spot for it on the products list we have to fill out.


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Posted: 5/22/2012 9:59:10 PM
IMO the only time it is wrong to use a sketch is when submitting to a contest or magazine and giving no credit to the person who inspired you.



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Posted: 5/22/2012 10:00:19 PM
I don't think so. Yeah, sometimes I feel like it when I've made several from sketches...but, you know what? If I love the pages when they're done - I don't care where the idea came from!


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Posted: 5/22/2012 11:43:58 PM
Heck no! Sketches, when I take the time to use them, help me to break out of my "box" and try new things. I often feel that they are "more involved" than just going by my usual process and using my usual configurations.


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Posted: 5/23/2012 2:02:28 AM
I do not think it is cheating. I never do it exactly like the sketch. The sketch is just my inspiration! I do feel as though if you are published or something that just as though you tell the type of paper that you should give credit to the individual who did the sketch...juat saying that is only fair.


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Posted: 5/23/2012 9:28:17 AM
This is how I see it. I also belong to a running club. We have a course map. We can go on the course anywhere from three miles to I think 20, although my group within the club hasn't done more than 6.2 miles. Still, even if we only do three, if we accomplish our goal and don't cut corners we are not cheating. The map just kept us from getting lost.

Likewise, if I follow the sketch, it doesn't matter if I let my layout run its whole course (follow the sketch EXACTLY) or modify it some to meet my needs, which in this case could be piling embellishments over and above what the sketch calls for, or not putting on as many embellishments or even as many photos as the sketch calls for. Or moving something to a different place. The goal is that I get the memory preserved, and without a sketch I might get lost in that effort as well.

In a race, if you didn't go exactly on the course map, you would be cheating. When it comes to scrapbooking, I am not sure what would be cheating.



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Posted: 5/23/2012 9:47:06 AM
I don't think I've ever even thought about putting the words "scrapbooking" and "cheating" in the same sentence!! LOL


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Posted: 5/23/2012 10:59:43 AM
I have created layouts from my own imagination that end up looking like a sketch I later see, and I have created numerous layouts, using a sketch, that end up looking NOTHING like the sketch. If you look at any sketch site and all the example or featured layouts created from a single sketch - no two look alike. They are inspiration - but the layout you create is all your own work.


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Posted: 5/23/2012 11:07:02 AM
Unless you're involved in some form of competitive scrapbooking where your pages are judged, then I am not even sure the word cheat even applies. It implies the use of dishonesty to achieve an unfair advantage over others.

If scrapbooking is just your hobby & for your own enjoyment, then do what makes you happy! If using sketches makes the process more enjoyable for you, go for it!



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Posted: 5/23/2012 1:31:59 PM
I agree with many of the others, sketches are not cheating! There is so many different places for inspiration and sketches are one of those. Plus I was unaware you could cheat in scrapbooking! I just started using sketches but I am getting a lot more done now that I am andI usually change something around.


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Posted: 5/23/2012 1:49:51 PM
Not cheating. I'm in the group that says "nothing is original" anymore -- it's all been done in some variation before.

I think of sketches like patterns or recipes. You wouldn't say that using a pattern to make a dress or a recipe to make dinner is cheating would you?

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Posted: 5/23/2012 2:02:30 PM
I'm with everyone else - not cheating, unless you're entering a contest or trying to claim it as your original idea.

On a side note, is there anyone else like me that a sketch takes longer than doing something original? I generally use sketches only if it's for a challenge that posts a sketch. I even did the Allison Davis sketch class & still struggle with using a sketch quickly.


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Posted: 5/23/2012 2:55:30 PM
How is it even possible to "cheat" at scrapbooking?

Here's my take on it - I'm a knitter and a quilter. I buy patterns and follow the patterns and make something. No one accuses me of "cheating" or thinks I am somehow less of a knitter or quilter just because I followed the pattern. In fact, knitters and quilters are complimented on how WELL they followed the pattern!

Why should scrapbooking be any different?


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Posted: 5/23/2012 5:29:10 PM
Not cheating.

Here is my take on it. Nothing get done without a plan. Fail to plan, plan to fail.

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Posted: 5/23/2012 5:51:48 PM
Unless your submitting, I don't think there are any "rules" to scrapbooking, so it can't be cheating. I see sketches as a way to jump start creativity. It's a basic plan and I add things or change them to my whims. The same with scraplifting. It's all about making completed pages for my albums and I'm happy with whatever gets me there.


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