OMGosh. Bain Capital owns Michaels, Burlington Coat, Outback Steakhouse...
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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:02:51 PM
I guess I could have found this out earlier by going to their website, but I found it out here

How many times have we complained about Michael's. Who knew? I realize that Mitt isn't CEO yet, but according to the terms of his retirement, he still benefits from the company.

I used to shop both at Michael's and Burlington, but haven't in years. They just seemed so tacky -- poorly lit, dirty, etc.

They used to own Dunkin Donuts, too, but the article says they sold it.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:05:29 PM
My boyfriend works part time at Michael's and it just dawned on me about a month ago who the "Bain" was that he mentions every now and then. I'm a little slow about these things

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:05:32 PM
I really don't know what that means...except that I hate every single one of those establishments. But since I don't really know what that means, I have no idea if it happens to be a common denominator.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:10:11 PM
Im confused as to the point of this post.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:10:51 PM
I have never shopped at Burlington, but I LOVE Outback and Michaels. I could not care less who owns them.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:11:54 PM
companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems..

even the big poster boy for mitt...staples...is closing stores and is having difficulty in changing to some new model.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:12:43 PM
Wow Bain owns successful companies...who knew.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:14:47 PM



Wow Bain owns successful companies...who knew.






do they have Michaels in China?



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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:16:41 PM
Mmmm, steak!

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:18:05 PM
Yeah, not seeing an issue. It's a company that bought other companies. I would wage a bet that those companies were "sold" legitimately by their previous owners...LOL

And, again...Obama owns how many companies and has how much business knowledge??

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:18:33 PM


I was in Burlington Coat on Monday and was able to find my g-kids snowsuits for when they move to NY in december.
The store was nice, clean and well lit and I got the things they needed for what i thought was a good price.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:22:06 PM

Yeah, not seeing an issue. It's a company that bought other companies.


Yeah... isn't that what Edward did in Pretty Woman?
Of course, he later had a change of heart and wanted to start building things. Maybe they need Julia Roberts to help them see the light.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:31:49 PM
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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:32:52 PM

companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems..


That's a broad stroke... I've worked with Michaels very closely for the last 8 years and bain did bring a lot of changes, however, Michaels has been in the middle (for the past several years) of doing huge store updates, new test store designs in test areas etc. All the stores in my area are the new bright pretty stores with more of a focus on scrapbooking, weddings, kids crafts etc. So a lot of money has been reinvested to make Michaels more profitable. It doesn't do anyone good to suck it dry and kill it when it has a stronghold on the crafting market. Also they implemented programs to do product development in-house vs. buying everything from 3rd party vendors. This is Hobby Lobby's mainstay, and why they have better product, better prices, and better sales. It also leads to better profits - which is what an equity group like Bain is also after. So sometimes it's not all vampire business, it's actually trying to turn a profit by making a business work better. Imagine that...



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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:36:18 PM
I like my Michaels. It's clean and very well lit.

I'll bet if this were Obama you would have no problem with it at all.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:40:57 PM

companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems..

even the big poster boy for mitt...staples...is closing stores and is having difficulty in changing to some new model.



FYI Bain invested in Staples when it was little more than a guy with an idea. the fact that they're struggling is hardly shocking considering the ECONOMY! But let's blame the people who gave them $2 million over 20 years ago. They've sure sucked the money out of them - opening stores all across the country.

Bain invests in companies to ultimate sell their shares at a substantial profit and return money to their investors. You can't obtain sufficient returns as a private equity company by sucking money out of the businesses. Mostly because you're guaranteed to have a bunch of failures - so don't bother posting antectdotes that some of their businesses fail - it's not news to me that businesses fail - that's the way capitalism works.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:47:50 PM

companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems.


My Michaels just renovated a larger space in the same shopping center and moved next door to where they used to be, and another store moved into their old space - New Michael's is bigger, bright and the staff is friendly and seems happy.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 2:52:06 PM
Interesting tidbit. The head of the SBA is a female venture capitalist.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:05:55 PM

companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems..


The Michaels store here recently opened a new, larger location (a former Borders store). It's very nice, clean and staffed with friendly people.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:12:46 PM
I don't have a problem with any of these businesses. All of the ones I have been to recently (i.e. near me) have been well-lit and nicely stocked.





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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:16:00 PM

companies like Bain suck all the money out of the businesses so less if any money is reinvested into the business..such as training, new decor, updated back systems..


That's a broad stroke... I've worked with Michaels very closely for the last 8 years and bain did bring a lot of changes, however, Michaels has been in the middle (for the past several years) of doing huge store updates, new test store designs in test areas etc. All the stores in my area are the new bright pretty stores with more of a focus on scrapbooking, weddings, kids crafts etc. So a lot of money has been reinvested to make Michaels more profitable. It doesn't do anyone good to suck it dry and kill it when it has a stronghold on the crafting market. Also they implemented programs to do product development in-house vs. buying everything from 3rd party vendors. This is Hobby Lobby's mainstay, and why they have better product, better prices, and better sales. It also leads to better profits - which is what an equity group like Bain is also after. So sometimes it's not all vampire business, it's actually trying to turn a profit by making a business work better. Imagine that...




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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:19:37 PM
I guess I too am in the camp of who cares?


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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:23:02 PM
mmmmmmmm...steak.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:38:41 PM

do they have Michaels in China?


I don't think so, but Michaels does sell some little American flag junk that's made in China.

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do they have Michaels in China?
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I don't think so, but Michaels does sell some little American flag junk that's made in China.
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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:54:47 PM
Who pays for those updates in Michaels? Cause when outback mandated new interior design, franchise owners had to pay for them.

Regardless, I don't care. In my estimation, being successful at mediocrity isn't particularly impressive.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:57:33 PM
As badly as I cannot stand what Bain stand for when it comes to sucking the life out of it's companies that are not succeeding to their standards...where they drain the employees of their pensions...I would never boycott a store that was purchased by Bain, since I want the employees to succeed.

So, I will continue to go to M's and purchase what I can find that I like when they put it on sale or I have a coupon, but I have less to choose from since they came out with their own brand. I find little that I like anymore. But they still have a lot of things I buy. I hope they succeed.

I pop into Burlington CF about once a year.

I'm for the American worker...not the companies like Bain that steal the pensions of those workers.

Never cared for Outback, but would continue to go there if I liked it.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 3:58:07 PM
That's it, more places to frequent!

1st lunch at Chick-fil-a, then shopping at Michael's, then dinner at Outback : )





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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:04:21 PM

mmmmmmmm...steak.


I know right? Now I might have to have steak for dinner - but... who wins if I eat at Outback? Obama? Bush? The Taliban? I'm so confused.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:16:51 PM

Who pays for those updates in Michaels? Cause when outback mandated new interior design, franchise owners had to pay for them.



I imagine this happens with a lot (most??) companies that franchise. When you buy into the name you are buying the image and have to abide by the contract for maintaining that image. There are perks for buying a franchise otherwise people wouldn't buy them, they'd just go mom-n-pop independent.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:36:45 PM
Most Michael's stores have gotten dramatic updates. I like the new stores much better than the old ones. I've never been impressed by Burlington. I can't find much I like there and the closest store to me is packed to the brim and hard to move around in. And I love Outback!

He's successful, get over it.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 4:44:58 PM
I'll agree, he's wealthy. As we have talked before, wealth doesn't necessarily mean success. You can be successful without being wealthy.

My only point in posting this is to express concern that the venture capitalists who buy companies don't have the interests of the employees, or the suppliers, in mind the way local owners do. How many local craft stores close when a Michael's big box moves in? How much of their stuff is bought from China instead of US manufacturers?



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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:11:17 PM

venture capitalists who buy companies don't have the interests of the employees, or the suppliers, in mind


They are venture capitalists. Their job is to make money for themselves and their stockholders. Until we're in a place where making a profit is no longer the primary function of a business, that's how it will be.

AND, I'd like to suggest that a business making a decent profit has more opportunity to do things for their employees than a business that's struggling to keep it together.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:16:03 PM
I bought a gigantic pen for .25 in the clearance section at Michael's today for the treasure box in my 2nd grade DD's class. My older DD10 loves their Schleich animal collection. When she gets birthday money she likes to go there and pick a few out.

Wait. Maybe it's Safari Ltd animals that they carry. They all look the same to me!


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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:19:52 PM

My only point in posting this is to express concern that the venture capitalists who buy companies don't have the interests of the employees, or the suppliers, in mind the way local owners do. How many local craft stores close when a Michael's big box moves in? How much of their stuff is bought from China instead of US manufacturers?


So, you are faulting Mitt Romney because we live in a free-market economy? It's all HIS fault??? Wowza....the shame.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:20:06 PM
Amazing how many people are completely clueless about capitalism.





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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:22:18 PM
Just a quick Wiki definition:


Capitalism generally refers to economic system in which the means of production are largely or entirely privately owned and operated for a profit, structured on the process of capital accumulation. In general, investments, distribution, income, and pricing is determined by markets.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:22:31 PM
I have been to Burlington Coat Factory once in my life. Not impressed. I do not like Outback Steakhouse. I don't eat steak in restaurants in Nebraska. We can make much better steak at home for a lot less money. I do like Michaels and shop there on occasion.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:27:46 PM

I have been to Burlington Coat Factory once in my life. Not impressed. I do not like Outback Steakhouse. I don't eat steak in restaurants in Nebraska. We can make much better steak at home for a lot less money. I do like Michaels and shop there on occasion.


Not to single your answer out, but what exactly does any of that have to do with Bain or Mitt Romney, as the OP would like us to believe there is a correlation?

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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:28:00 PM

I'm for the American worker...not the companies like Bain that steal the pensions of those workers.

ah... like BO did for those people in IN? when he put the union in first position to be repaid?




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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:28:04 PM
And...who cares?? I am not sure what the deal is.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:28:36 PM
Shrug.

I rarely shop at Michaels.

I never shop at Burlington Coat Factory and never eat at Outback Steakhouse (don't like the food).


Now...if you told me they owned my favorite Nicaraguan or Argentinian steak house, then those would be fighting words.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 5:35:46 PM
I love DD coffee

The Outback Steakhouses in my area are always packed.

The Michaels here are mostly new stores and very nice.

I've never been to Burlington Coat.

Don't forget Staples also a success story.

All of these businesses created *JOBS*!

How many? We don't know because the lame stream media would never report anything that would shed positive light on Romney.



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Not to single your answer out, but what exactly does any of that have to do with Bain or Mitt Romney, as the OP would like us to believe there is a correlation?


That is the point. There is no correlation. I didn't shop at Burlington Coat Factory long before Bain owned them. I made the decision to not eat at Outback long before Bain purchased them. I will continue to shop at Michael's regardless because I like it. I also shop at Hobby Lobby.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 6:47:47 PM



I don't know why I looked.



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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:36:54 PM
Bain does not own Outback.

Bain does what private equity firms do-they see a company that they might feel has good fundamentals that for some reason is undervalued in the marketplace. companies like Bain buy those companies, turn them private for awhile to decrease the costs associated with being a public company while they look over the fundamentals of the business. they run these companies, make the improvements they feel is necessary to improve value and at the right time, take the company public. going private doesn't always translate to massive layoffs and location closings (although in many cases it can) they could feel the current senior management team is taking the company in the wrong direction, they may feel strongly that the company needs to sell or spinoff a division, or they may feel that the company is doomed overall but has an interesting division or product that might be worth saving.

to assign villain status on companies like Bain is a bit melodramatic. In a lot of ways this practice keeps US companies especially competitive and relevent. Not to say it doesn't have it's ugly side-the short attention span that investors have forces companies to exist quarter to quarter. while there are good aspects to it, there are negative ones as well. It's harder to make good citizen decisions when you can only look ahead 90 days.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:36:55 PM
Bain does not own Outback.

Bain does what private equity firms do-they see a company that they might feel has good fundamentals that for some reason is undervalued in the marketplace. companies like Bain buy those companies, turn them private for awhile to decrease the costs associated with being a public company while they look over the fundamentals of the business. they run these companies, make the improvements they feel is necessary to improve value and at the right time, take the company public. going private doesn't always translate to massive layoffs and location closings (although in many cases it can) they could feel the current senior management team is taking the company in the wrong direction, they may feel strongly that the company needs to sell or spinoff a division, or they may feel that the company is doomed overall but has an interesting division or product that might be worth saving.

to assign villain status on companies like Bain is a bit melodramatic. In a lot of ways this practice keeps US companies especially competitive and relevent. Not to say it doesn't have it's ugly side-the short attention span that investors have forces companies to exist quarter to quarter. while there are good aspects to it, there are negative ones as well. It's harder to make good citizen decisions when you can only look ahead 90 days.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:00:54 PM
We just got a brand spanking new Michael's in my town. It is HUGE and so far, I am loving the new set up. As long as they have what I want at a decent price, I will be shopping there.

As for Outback, I don't care for their food and I have never shopped at Burlington.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:36:08 PM
I truly don't understand the disdain for companies like Bain. I wonder how many people realize that a significant number of government pension funds benefit from the success of Bain.


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Mmmm, steak!


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