In your honest opinion, why did John McCain lose the election in 2008?

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Posted: 10/3/2012 7:59:43 PM
Without reading any replies. McCain lost because he couldn't capture the message of what people needed to hear for confidence voting.

The 2008 campaign message of the President was darn near flawless from the "business" aspect of campaigning. And yes, there are people on both sides who have "businesses" that support campaigns.

McCain, while qualified, I'll even add MUCH more qualified on paper to lead the country, just could not make his persona or brand, resonate.

I think McCain actually, would have supported and passed the stimulus, I think he would have increased debt and nailed out GM, but not purchased. Healthcare? Probably not as the focus would have been economy first, get back on track and then address.

I think the recovery would be much more healthy because small business owners would have felt much more secure in taking risks.

I think that there would have been much more cooperation with a Democratic Senate than what we are seeing now? And even with a near super majority his first two years, we would, as a country, be more unified and secure to address the real issues of wage disparity, healthcare costs, and Middle East rumblings.

All that said. I believe that would have happened without Palin. If he wanted a woman for campaign purposes, it should have been Hutchison or Todd in my opinion.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:00:17 PM

For all the Blacks who voted for Obama just because he was Black, there were whites who didn't vote for him because he was Black. Some voters can see past skin color.


EXACTLY. I'm not naive enough to believe that race wasn't a factor for some, but it was a factor for whites as well.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:03:05 PM
I think race played about 1 percent factor really. No where near meaningful because as many who wanted that ceiling broken, many did not.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:07:43 PM



BO was black and blacks would vote for him - those who'd never voted before.


God you are just one big stereotyper(except when it comes to you). Black people make all kinds of voting decisions based on all sorts of reasons (you know, just like "other" people). Black people actually tend to have pretty conservative views about some of the Democratic policies. So you can never just assume all black people will vote the same way. Did you vote for McCain because he was white? Or are only black people that sigleminded and foolish? And newflash political genius, there aren't enough black people of voting age and ability in this country to get anybody elected nationally alone. Blacks only make up approximately 13% of the total poplulation. Maybe if you piled everyone up in the same states it would work, but I doubt it (run the numbers...I could be wrong).

And yeah..
Of COURSE it was Sarah Palin. John McCain actually seemed like a pretty great guy to me.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:11:53 PM
Redayh,

While I understand your sentiment and offense, it really can't be escaped, that of that 13 percent of community, a very, very high percentage vote Democratic. But, I agree with you, that it wasn't simply because of color.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:27:36 PM
I liked John McCain - until he ran for President four years ago. He seemed to tack farther to the right and was not the same man I had been interested in before.
Choosing Palin did not help him with a lot of people, because, given his age and potential health, MANY people could not see her as a viable president should something happen to him.

Interestingly, I was very impressed with McCain's concession speech on Election Day - he seemed like the John McCain he used to be - but it was much too late!

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:28:06 PM
Sarah Palin.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:29:58 PM
Sarah Palin.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:31:42 PM
I also think that while the Black vote is constantly referenced, a more valid group to look at was young voters. Obama energized the first time voters like no one had in a very long time.
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McCain lost (partly) because Obama went after the young, disenfranchised, poor, discouraged, female, working class, and yes, minority voters. He had a magnetism that really made people feel like FINALLY a politician can understand what I'm going through! It wasn't really about race, but familiarity and the feeling that you could trust him. Personally, he was the first politician I genuinely liked (I'm too young to have voted for Bill Clinton).

McCain, to me, was/is just like every other "good ole boy" in Washington, and I am definitely not feeling like most politicians have my best interests at heart. I really do feel like most are in business/politics to network, schmooze, and make as much money as they can while they can. JMHO


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:32:24 PM
Without a doubt- Sarah Palin.

And for everyone of you who didn't vote for him because of Sarah, there is someone who voted for him because of her. Like me. Who didn't fall for the SNL caricature of her.
SNL didn't influence me at all, thanks. I'm intelligent enough to decide without late night comedy routines. That woman is a lot of things- probably a lot of them good, but 'a quality choice for VP' isn't one of them.

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:34:06 PM
Because he picked Sarah Palin for his running mate. I was considering voting for McCain UNTIL he picked Palin.




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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:36:25 PM
Palin, age, personality in that order. Obama was black and had more warmth to his personality.


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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:55:02 PM
Anyone who doesn't think racism is alive and well just needs to look at this thread and comments like those from Skybar. It makes me furious for anyone to say I voted for this president because he is black. McCain lost because the country was ready for change after 8 years of failed Bush policies and because he picked a very unqualified running mate. I voted for President Obama because his policies were more in line with my beliefs than McCains were

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Posted: 10/3/2012 8:56:22 PM
Two words. SARAH PALIN



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Posted: 10/3/2012 9:43:57 PM

McCain lost because he couldn't capture the message of what people needed to hear for confidence voting.





McCain lost (partly) because Obama went after the young, disenfranchised, poor, discouraged, female, working class, and yes, minority voters. He had a magnetism that really made people feel like FINALLY a politician can understand what I'm going through! It wasn't really about race, but familiarity and the feeling that you could trust him. Personally, he was the first politician I genuinely liked

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Posted: 10/3/2012 10:00:20 PM
Sarah Palin. For a lot of reasons.







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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:51:10 AM
Palin.

I could not take him seriously after she was his running mate.

A theory I've heard here and there is that the Republicans wanted to lose that election because of the mess the economy was going to be in, so they stuck McCain with Palin as a running mate.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:55:26 AM
Longtime Senator with little business experience, and his utter refusal to go after Obama's record. Just not a leader -- like Obama.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:26:51 AM
He was old and he picked Sarah Palin.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:40:38 AM
I think McCain lost because he had Sarah Palin as his running mate and because Obama is black.

I think the economy would be better than it is now but it still wouldn't be what it should be. I dont believe the rating would have dropped, though. I believe foreign policy would be much, much different and the USA wouldn't be the laughing stock of the world.

I believe Romney will change the economy around. Very, very slowly, but I think it will happen.
I also think he will get our world reputation back to where it was before Obama mutilated it.
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Sorry, can't quote properly on the iPad! This comment struck me as a complete outsider because I'm surprised people are blaming Obama for the perception of the US changing. The presential race is always a hot topic in the UK (not necessarily with everyone, but it's often linked with our own politics since the Bush/Blair relationship) From the UK point of view the perception changed well before Obama became president.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:01:24 AM
Sarah Palin. She was just one old man's heart attack away from being the President of the United States. That's crazy.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:23:59 AM
Read "Game Change" and you'll see exactly why everyone lost and Obama won. It is clear, concise and better than the movie (which was good, but all about Palin).

I don't think Obama was beatable, but McCain made many, many misteps, as did Clinton, and Obama did not. It is a fascinating tale by two conservative writers.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:34:44 AM
Palin


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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:46:33 AM

For me it was:
Palin
His (hopefully former) temper and how that would affect how
he would handle foreign policy
The whole maybe switching parties thing. That really bothered me,
for whatever reason. He *had* the mentality to cross the aisle,
but then he re-affirmed the mantle of his party ... and the impression
I got was he was just another "company man". Funny how I managed
to read so much into his flat voice about it (when it happened), but in
my eyes he sold out and stayed because he was a Republican. I was
really disappointed--I thought his heart wasn't in it at the time.

I did not vote for Obama because he is black.
And I would not vote a woman in *just* because she is a woman.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:01:33 AM

I also think he will get our world reputation back to where it was before Obama mutilated it.
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Sorry, can't quote properly on the iPad! This comment struck me as a complete outsider because I'm surprised people are blaming Obama for the perception of the US changing. The presential race is always a hot topic in the UK (not necessarily with everyone, but it's often linked with our own politics since the Bush/Blair relationship) From the UK point of view the perception changed well before Obama became president.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:31:51 AM
I think it makes some Conservatives feel better to say people fell for the SNL version of Palin b/c then they feel they didn't lose b/c of her and her policies/beliefs and that they have another chance to win in the future with an anti-intellectual, ignorant, unintelligent, Religious Right prototype.

The SNL stuff was funny but mainly the way that most humor is. B/c it latches onto truth and grows from there. She was a poor, unfortunate choice that I believe McCain was pushed into making. And when he realized she was the wrong choice, it was much too late. I don't think he wanted her to begin with. It was a shame his career had to fizzle the way it did. Associated with someone like her since his party was co-opted by a Religious Right that he didn't seem much to care for but couldn't get away from.

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Someone mentioned the Muslim Brotherhood. Unfortunately you cannpot depose of a dictator in order to establish a democratic regime and then decide who can win an election. The reason to keep up foreign investments and aid in Egypt is to ensure that the United States has a voice in the country even if Egypt's policies do not necessarily favour it. There is nothing more important than dialog and completely isolating governments has been proven time and time again to be utterly useless and harmful.

I have heard some people say that the United States should have not supported the Arab uprising...Those same people supported Bush's field trip through Iraq. These people are disingenuous hypocrites.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:22:10 AM
Sarah Palin, and that pesky little "R". Everyone was sick to death of GWB and his spending. There was no reason to believe McCain would do anything different, and then he chose Palin.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:25:33 AM
Because people wanted to be a part of history and help elect the first AA President. That's what I was told by many people in 2008. If Hillary had been up for election, many of the same people would have wanted to vote for the first woman President.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:28:23 AM
Obama won because the Bush years were such a disaster for international relations and the economy and obama played of this masterfully. And he has turned into one of the most wonderful presidents in recent memory.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:54:48 AM
When it first became clear the banks were in trouble and McCain "suspended" his campaign to go back to Washington and do what?

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:33:16 AM
Palin.

At first I was intrigued. And then, I was dismayed. And then I felt like I was being pandered to, as a woman. Sort of like the campaign was saying, "Look! We're awesome. We're letting a woman run as VP!" No matter that she absolutely wasn't qualified in the slightest.

If McCain had chosen Kay Bailey Hutchison, I would have been ALL over that.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:54:20 AM
One name: Sarah Palin
I was going to vote for him until he picked her as his VP.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:56:02 AM
I don't think it had anything to do with the fact that Obama was black it had to do with the fact that he was more prepared and a better choice to the country than Sarah Palin.
Why not admit to it?

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:59:04 AM

Honestly? McCain was old, the media villified Palin, and Obama was black. There was no way Obama was going to lose. None.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:02:53 PM

When it first became clear the banks were in trouble and McCain "suspended" his campaign to go back to Washington and do what?

I agree. I think that's the moment he lost the campaign. I was a supporter and it left me so pissed.

McCain, while a good man, was no match for the energy and enthusiasm behind Barack Obama. With a media that largely ran interference for the young Democrat, and who seemed so hopeful and inspiring, the old codger, albeit a great American, was simply no match. And I don't mean to be rude with the "old codger" comment, but in comparison to the youth and vitality Obama showed? No match.

I kept hoping, hoping, hoping people would see through the empty veneer of "hope 'n change", but I was so very wrong. Obama ran, for years, a great campaign and was never truly challenged.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:20:31 PM

I'm really surprised that a lot of you think Obama won because he's black, because where I live, racism is alive and well.

Yes I remember when he was still running to get the Democratic ticket, everyone said no way would this country elect a black man so better vote for a different candidate that is running.


I also think that while the Black vote is constantly referenced, a more valid group to look at was young voters. Obama energized the first time voters like no one had in a very long time. I don't think he has that same following this time around.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:10:17 PM
I was going to vote for McCain until he chose Palin. although if Hillary had been nominated I'd have voted for her over McCain.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:25:51 PM
I think it was because of Sarah Palin.

I have no idea how he would have handled things. But we wouldn't have Obamacare, so that would be a bonus.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:38:50 PM
I told my DH as the election was getting closer that there was no way a Republican would win. People were so sick of, angry with and disappointed with Bush there was no way they wouldn't latch on to whoever offered hope and change.

Add to that the Democrat that came along was black and told most people what they needed to hear. Many people who may not otherwise had voted did so because they wanted to vote the first black president into office.

Put all of that together and there was no way the Rebuplican who was old, had picked Sara Palin as VP could win.

I am in no way an Obama supporter but I am very proud that our country has gotten to the point of being able to vote a black man into office.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 4:45:37 PM
Sarah Palin..

I was actually going to vote for him until he picked her, and I just could not bring myself to after that.

part of the reason is because of that I think to put a woman in power makes me nervous, like that it would have to be a STRONG woman that others take as a person of power. there are so many countries that have no respect for their own women, I just dont see them having respect for a woman leader and fear they wouldnt take us,as a country, seriously..

that said I think Hilary would do fine,so my opinion is clear as mud huh? lol..

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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:24:24 PM
I didn't like his/the GOP's choice of Palin. Also, McCain seemed, to me, to get nastier toward the end of the race, and that turned me off. Palin was the last straw, though. I can't stand her.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:36:22 PM
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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:39:02 PM
The #1 reason I voted for Obama and not a Republican like the previous 2 elections; Sarah Palin. I could not stomach the thought of her taking over if something happened.

I was tired of the debt, war, and bailouts too.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 5:46:31 PM

And I would not vote a woman in *just* because she is a woman.


I might have until I listened to Sarah Palin. No way I'd vote for her. But a candidate being a woman would tempt me greatly.

Well, I think Hilary Clinton is SUPER smart. Brilliant, in fact, but not good presidential material. I would not have voted for her either. It's a shame.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:09:42 PM
I didn't end up voting for McCain because he changed so much during the campaign. He just didn't exhibit the same qualities during the campaign that drew me to him when he was a national player not running for a national office (and after). Plain was the nail in the coffin.

I feel the same way about Romney. I was interested in him in 08 but he didn't get the nod and I was considering voting for him this time until about 6 months ago. In his case though I feel like we are seeing the real Romney now. I do not care for Ryan at all, but I decided against Romney before he was selected.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:28:30 PM
the Palin pick.

It wasn't just her - although she was bad enough - it was the selection of her. Why? I still don't get why? It told me he didn't have good judgement.

Also he changed his campaign strategy from campaigning on 'experience' to 'change.' Obama's campaign had been about 'change' for a year and a half and suddenly McCain wants to use the same strategy as his opponent?

Given some of these crazy decisions right before the election, it is impossible to say what he would have done. Though I would guess we might still be in Iraq.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:47:47 PM
While I believe that Sarah Palin had a part to play in why John McCain didn't get elected I also believe that George Bush and his administration played a part the election results. Four years ago we were in a recession, jobs were being lost rapidly, the collapse of the housing market was fresh in our minds. Obama promised change, and a better life who didn't want that? I think the undecided voters voted for him because they wanted to give the democrats a chance.

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