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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:19:00 AM
Obama looked peevish, churlish, angry, tired and like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was, from the first moment he took the stage. He didn't say anything stupid but he certainly didn't say anything to challenge the Mitt Romney on the stage. I just don't have any idea what was going on in his head last night. Maybe he had food poisoning and was trying not to throw up on Jim Lehrer.

He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on. Whether it changes the dynamics of the election - before the debate, I would have said debates don't matter much but the churlishness (looking at his notebook or Jim Lehrer but never Romney?) was just striking compared to Mitt's cheerfulness. There was no just no reason for it and Romney said so much ridiculous stuff that could have/should have been challenged and Obama just didn't do it.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 7:29:05 AM

Obama looked peevish, churlish, angry, tired and like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was, from the first moment he took the stage. He didn't say anything stupid but he certainly didn't say anything to challenge the Mitt Romney on the stage. I just don't have any idea what was going on in his head last night. Maybe he had food poisoning and was trying not to throw up on Jim Lehrer.

He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on. Whether it changes the dynamics of the election - before the debate, I would have said debates don't matter much but the churlishness (looking at his notebook or Jim Lehrer but never Romney?) was just striking compared to Mitt's cheerfulness. There was no just no reason for it and Romney said so much ridiculous stuff that could have/should have been challenged and Obama just didn't do it.




Since I usually agree with 99% of what Sarah posts, I'm going to go with her assessment. We were actually planning on watching the debate and playing debate bingo, but something a lot more exciting came up that took DH and I's attention and we missed it, although I did see Chris Matthews throw his freak out afterward.

I did spend a little time last night listening to the talking heads and
It's probably a good thing I didn't actually see debate, I might have broke our flat screen throwing crap at the TV.....at both candidates, especially the President for not calling Mitt out on some of his lies.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 7:45:54 AM

I agree that healthcare should be tailored. But let's for a minute describe the "average medicare beneficiary." Either 65 or over with a slew of pre-existing conditions and/or a person below the age of 65 who has been declared disabled. That is 90% of the Medicare population. I'm not talking about the outlier beneficiaries who are relatively healthy AND/OR can afford private insurance. THOSE people enroll in Medicare a) avoid the late enrollment penalty and/or use Medicare as a secondary insurance.



I think a voucher system for the elderly is a recipe for disaster. Does anybody remember when Medicare part D went into effect? Seniors (and I have no idea the percentage of) were overwhelmed trying to figure out what company/plan to go with. Senior Centers in this area were open daily with staff trying to help the elderly figure out what plan would work best for them to cover their needs. I can't imagine what a nightmare it would be if they had to figure out what company covered everything that they needed. I can just see my husband sitting there looking at the papers and wondering how the heck to even start filling them out. And, he's not that elderly. LOL! I realize that should this system go into effect the seniors would not be very elderly, but, I can just see so many having no clue where to even start.



Do you honestly believe that a private insurance plan is going to offer BETTER coverage to this population than what medicare offers? Even more so without any type of government regulation regarding pre-existing conditions and/or placing limits on care?

I do. Private companies are there to make money which means having and keeping customers. The best companies will have the most customers and make the most money.


Yes, private companies are there to make money, that's for sure. Only problem with that way of thinking is that they won't make money on the elderly. As they age, they will become more of a burden to insure and the private companies will either not accept them to begin with or will be revising plans to slowly drop the money losers from their ranks.

What little bit of the debate I had a chance to watch, Romney was very well prepared and I thought he clearly was the winner.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:14:07 AM

Obama looked peevish, churlish, angry, tired and like he wanted to be anywhere but where he was, from the first moment he took the stage. He didn't say anything stupid but he certainly didn't say anything to challenge the Mitt Romney on the stage. I just don't have any idea what was going on in his head last night. Maybe he had food poisoning and was trying not to throw up on Jim Lehrer.

He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on. Whether it changes the dynamics of the election - before the debate, I would have said debates don't matter much but the churlishness (looking at his notebook or Jim Lehrer but never Romney?) was just striking compared to Mitt's cheerfulness. There was no just no reason for it and Romney said so much ridiculous stuff that could have/should have been challenged and Obama just didn't do it.


I am definitely left-leaning, but this is also how the debate struck me. For those of us who aren't gung-ho about Obama, but aren't ready to run over and give Romney (and his disdain for 47% of this country) a big ol' hug, this debate offers food for thought.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:25:07 AM

Did he really say that he wouldn't be able to cut taxes for the rich?


What he said was that he'd lower rates while at the same time reducing deductions - in an effort to keep the revenue the same.

I think people really believe that he said he'd give all of these tax breaks to the rich because we've seen the commercial with him and the Trump plane in the background eleventy billion times. I'm pretty sure that statement didn't ever come from Romney himself.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:28:26 AM
First, obviously, most know I'm voting for Mitt. I thought he did everything in his power to get his point across because it's been so misconstrued by the left. He was not gonna back down, and went to the point of overpowering the debate. But dang, he's been slung through the mud so much, he needed to.

And I was shocked at President Obama. I remember him well during the 2008 campain? Where was THAT guy? I was ready for the "smoke and mirrors and sweet talk". Heck, nothing. I was almost waiting for some big headline shoe to drop, to explain why the president just wasn't there. Like maybe a meteor was speeding toward earth and he's been busy trying to save the world/ aka... no game face on tonight, sorry folks.I'm too busy, saving the world. Heck, a migraine for an excuse. Something. He just looked tired.

And that's what 4 years in office does to you.

(wow, I gave him way too much credit there. lol)

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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:42:08 AM
Wow - I was at a debate party last night. What the hell! NO ONE expected that. I was probably one of 5 people who sat though ever single one of the 5,000 the agonizing debates during the democratic primary last time, and I knew that Obama can get tripped up - Hillary pounded him a few times. But usually that was on a subject he wasn't well versed on (and definitely early on, he improved as the debates continued and he was more familiar with what would be asked).

Jim Lehr was awful - he basically said jobs - go, health care - go. So it was a format that should have played right into Obama giving his stump speech. But his demeanor was just awful. Someone is going to have to sit him down and tell him smirking does not play well - ever.

Romney had the best night I'd seen - knowledgable, personable, "in-touch" When the best the spinners on the other team can do is - well he had a lot of practice - you know you won.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:49:46 AM
I didn't watch the debate - I just heard commentary from my husband and the stuff I read here. If Obama appeared to want to be anywhere else but there or he didn't have the fire he should have, could it be because he already thinks his reelection is a given? FTR - I will be voting for Romney and nothing on any of the debates will change my mind on that. However, I do think Obama will be reelected.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:00:55 AM

If Obama appeared to want to be anywhere else but there or he didn't have the fire he should have, could it be because he already thinks his reelection is a given?

I had that same thought.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:20:47 AM

If Obama appeared to want to be anywhere else but there or he didn't have the fire he should have, could it be because he already thinks his reelection is a given?

I had that same thought.


My (tongue in cheek) theories in no particular order:

1. This is what happens when John Kerry plays Mitt Romney in debate prep
2. Stomach flu
3. He just wants to be able to punk Mitt Romney in the next 2 debates
4. No anniversary lovin' from Michelle = really grumpy President
5. He had his ipad hidden under the notebook, he was in the middle of an important game of Angry Birds and those darn pigs were pissing him off.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:23:18 AM

But on substance, he won hands down. Every answer was well thought out and direct re: the question asked. Romney might have seemed better, but he didn't answer most questions at all (changed the subject) and he's already given the fact checkers a field day (google it).

Umm... You do realize that Obama was the guy who couldn't forums ate his answers and resorting to off topic poor people stories all night... You know the black guy with the blue tie on?

You must be confused because the man who had data, substance to his answers, and an actual outlined plan for solving many economic issues was Romney.


Considering that the only thing we've ever agreed on, Ms. Tyler, was that a good pair of high quality denim jeans was worth more than 3 cheap pairs (J.Jill thread), then I'm not surprised you see things differently than me.

And this goes back to my 2nd point in the thread: We can be looking at the same thing and see things differently. Isn't that great about this country?

And no, I didn't hear Romney actually say how he was going to anything except for cutting funding to PBS and a few other institutions that made my leftist heart wrench.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:35:56 AM

My (tongue in cheek) theories in no particular order:

1. This is what happens when John Kerry plays Mitt Romney in debate prep
2. Stomach flu
3. He just wants to be able to punk Mitt Romney in the next 2 debates
4. No anniversary lovin' from Michelle = really grumpy President
5. He had his ipad hidden under the notebook, he was in the middle of an important game of Angry Birds and those darn pigs were pissing him off.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:37:38 AM
Well, the president's never had to face a good Republican in debates. He's never been challenged in that way before. I don't think he's used to being straight-up challenged in the way that he was.

In Illinois when he first ran his opponents were disqualified (heh), so he ran unopposed. He easily won re-election. When he ran for the U.S. Senate his Republican challenger was Alan Keyes (!). When he ran for President in 2008, it was John McCain. None of those situations presented a case where his debate opponent offered much of a challenge.

Personally, I think this is who the President is when challenged. When faced with opposition, he's very often peevish, which I think is the best word to describe him in that situation. He was with Ryan in the White House health care meeting. He was, quite openly, with Benjamin Netanyahu in their meetings at the White House a while back.





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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:43:41 AM

For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple. Obama could have very easily pressed him and didn't.


Finally the lies the Left have been telling about him are being shown for what they are lies. They have been putting words in his mouth all along, and/or extrapolating what they thought he was saying or what they wanted to hear.

Even to the tax policy. It ONLY would amount to a 5 trillion dollar cut IF there was no increase in revenue through economic growth, and Mitt has said that he would only enact those policies IF it was deficit neutral. But the so called "fact checkers" seem to forget that. And base it on Obama's track record of no growth.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:45:26 AM
I had to work late last night so I could only follow the debate by twitter on my way home.

My first hint Obama wasn't doing so well was when Rob Lowe tweeted that "Uncle Fluffy" had showed up to the debate. West Wing fans knows what that means.

I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.

I understand Obama had fact problems as well but not as high a % as Romney.

Wouldn't it be nice if both sides just told the truth for change. But I have a feeling it would be like the saying from that movie "you can't handle the truth."




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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:46:45 AM

And no, I didn't hear Romney actually say how he was going to anything except for cutting funding to PBS and a few other institutions that made my leftist heart wrench


How soon the left forgets that the only specifics that Obama gave in 2008 were hope and change, and quite frankly I like the idea of going in with philosophical points of view rather than, "I won, deal with it". One allows for working compromise. One just stuffs it in your face.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:48:21 AM

I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.


The truth according to who?



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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:55:40 AM

1. This is what happens when John Kerry plays Mitt Romney in debate prep


I had the same thought, Darcy.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:56:26 AM
What I loved about Romney's specifics is that they were specific when he could be, and otherwise, he talked about working with the opposition to come up with the rest. You can't name specifics before you've hammered out the details with both sides at the table. He pledged to do that, and since he's done it with success in the past, I believe him now.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:58:04 AM

I think Mitt Romney did well. I still won't vote for him, but nonetheless, he performed. But his creepy smile while Obama was speaking was making me crazy. You don't have to stare at him the entire time. OMG - it was driving me nuts.

Jim Lehrer was terrible. I thought Mitt was completely obnoxious and being disrespectful towards him at times.


This Ohio liberal girl agrees and will be casting my swing state vote for Obama. I don't really care about the creepy smile but while Romney may be a better debater, his content is still crap in/crap out.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:13:16 AM
I must have been way too involved with my bingo card, because I did not see the peevish and smirking demeanor from Obama that some are referencing - I missed all the specifics that Mrs. Tyler is talking about, too.

Listen, I think Mitt Romney did a good job last night. I do think he sounded more like the Mitt I thought I could live with as a Republican president -- but that's not the candidate that's been out stumping the last few months, nor the one that won him his party nomination.

So I have to wonder what will happen with the base if this is the Mitt they get and not the previous incarnation. Will it matter to any of you? Like if he's suddenly okay with choice again? If he decides "Romneycare" as a euphemism beats "Obamacare" and keeps it federal because "you've got to have some regulations"?

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:19:45 AM
"The truth according to who? "

The answer was in my original post. You can either accept or reject it as its your choice.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:28:06 AM
Al Gore is blaming the altitude for Obama's poor performance.

Hahaha!



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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:30:44 AM

I had the same thought, Darcy.


I can't take any credit Sue_Pea - I was quoting Sarah*H

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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:33:15 AM
I do have a real live conspiracy theory - just think about it before you react. Before last night, the big donors had started to pull money from Romney and invest in Senate and House races instead. That money is going to go back to Romney in a big way now. Obama's not really worried about being outspent by the Super PAC's. And he's also not really worried about one debate closing the gap enough in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to truly be a game changer. But more Republican dollars going to Romney and less Republican dollars going to the down ticket races? That could be some diabolical strategery right there.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:34:05 AM

So I have to wonder what will happen with the base if this is the Mitt they get and not the previous incarnation. Will it matter to any of you? Like if he's suddenly okay with choice again? If he decides "Romneycare" as a euphemism beats "Obamacare" and keeps it federal because "you've got to have some regulations"?

What previous incarnation? Mitt's never been a far-right guy. I know the Left wants to spin him that way, but he's not. He never has been. Being pro-life does not equal nutter far-right.

Mitt Romney has always been more of a centrist. There isn't one thing about that that's "shocking" to me. I'd prefer a more true conservative, but at this moment, in this election, the choice is between HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy and SMALLER THAN HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy. You make the best choice out of the options you have.

And honestly, I fully expect to be disappointed by some things Mitt Romney does in office, should he be elected. He was the governor of one of the most Blue states in the Union. Things are bound to happen I don't care for, but likely not as many as would continue to happen with the Lefty that currently occupies the White House.

So yeah, die-hard conservative here who is 1) not shocked, 2) not appalled, and 3) still knows I'm making the best choice of the two legitimate options I have.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:37:41 AM

Al Gore is blaming the altitude for Obama's poor performance.





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Posted: 10/4/2012 10:47:22 AM
"Listen, I think Mitt Romney did a good job last night. I do think he sounded more like the Mitt I thought I could live with as a Republican president -- but that's not the candidate that's been out stumping the last few months, nor the one that won him his party nomination."


I don't think Mitt has changed. I truly believe it is what the media and the Obama campaign has painted him (quite successfully) in the last few months. He has clearly made a few missteps but in my opinion, they have been blown so out of proportion that people start believing it. Mitt Romney is a businessman. He knows what to do to make it a positive environment for growth. And that means more jobs and better income.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:21:19 AM
Re: cutting funding for PBS

The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days. )

It's time to get realistic, people.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:33:09 AM

Great googly moogly, that was something else. As a fan of Romney, I was worried about this debate and nervous for him to do well. I needn't have worried. He positively dominated that whole thing. When it first started, I remarked to DH that Obama seemed like someone who didn't want to be President again. As it progressed, it was clear that Romney knew what he was talking about, and the President, not so much.

Yep. It was so nice for the country to finally see the Romney that's always been there and not the stupid narrative from the media.



For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple. Obama could have very easily pressed him and didn't.
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Finally the lies the Left have been telling about him are being shown for what they are lies. They have been putting words in his mouth all along, and/or extrapolating what they thought he was saying or what they wanted to hear.

Even to the tax policy. It ONLY would amount to a 5 trillion dollar cut IF there was no increase in revenue through economic growth, and Mitt has said that he would only enact those policies IF it was deficit neutral. But the so called "fact checkers" seem to forget that. And base it on Obama's track record of no growth.

I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable.


What previous incarnation? Mitt's never been a far-right guy. I know the Left wants to spin him that way, but he's not. He never has been. Being pro-life does not equal nutter far-right.

Mitt Romney has always been more of a centrist. There isn't one thing about that that's "shocking" to me. I'd prefer a more true conservative, but at this moment, in this election, the choice is between HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy and SMALLER THAN HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy. You make the best choice out of the options you have.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:39:54 AM

We all know he can only go so far towards the middle before people like Rush start trying to reign him in again.


Because of this statement, I set my alarm so I wouldn't miss listening to Rush.

Wren, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you thought Rush had some problem with anything Mitt Romney said last night.

Surprised?

I'm sure there'll be a transcript on his site later today on his opening monologue. You can check it out for yourself. Rush Limbaugh, especially for Wren






He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on.


Those supporting Romney are "the chattering class" now? That was beneath you, Sarah.




We were actually planning on watching the debate and playing debate bingo, but something a lot more exciting came up that took DH and I's attention and we missed it, although I did see Chris Matthews throw his freak out afterward.

I did spend a little time last night listening to the talking heads and
It's probably a good thing I didn't actually see debate, I might have broke our flat screen throwing crap at the TV.....at both candidates, especially the President for not calling Mitt out on some of his lies.



Rachel Maddow and her gang at MSNBC threw the fit for you.

Great to see how your actions support your words over the past years here. You listened to the talking heads on MSNBC over watching the debate for yourself.







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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:43:50 AM

He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on.


Those supporting Romney are "the chattering class" now? That was beneath you, Sarah.


Lefty, the pundits are the chattering class. That's their longstanding nickname. Everything isn't personal.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 11:44:48 AM
Thank you Sarah. I can accept that.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:03:19 PM
"I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable. "

Well I guess you can look at it that way but its not true.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:04:46 PM
"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."


Ok I agree as long as we cut funding for the oil companies as well. We can't afford to pay them anymore.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:09:29 PM

I do have a real live conspiracy theory - just think about it before you react. Before last night, the big donors had started to pull money from Romney and invest in Senate and House races instead. That money is going to go back to Romney in a big way now. Obama's not really worried about being outspent by the Super PAC's. And he's also not really worried about one debate closing the gap enough in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to truly be a game changer. But more Republican dollars going to Romney and less Republican dollars going to the down ticket races? That could be some diabolical strategery right there.


Thanks for the chuckle -- a conspiracy theory that Obama threw the debate on purpose just about made my day.

Romney actually said the exact opposite to the Republican base last night.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:09:32 PM

Great to see how your actions support your words over the past years here. You listened to the talking heads on MSNBC over watching the debate for yourself.


Yes, I'm just so not as educated and as smart and enlightened as you.

Most of the time what I read from you is through the lips of Fox News and right wing pundits, so I guess we're even. Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.

I did get to read the transcripts though and I completely stand by what I said regarding all of Mitt's lies that were brought out in the open last night.





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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:10:50 PM

I must have been way too involved with my bingo card, because I did not see the peevish and smirking demeanor from Obama that some are referencing - I missed all the specifics that Mrs. Tyler is talking about, too.


Here ya go. Check it out for yourself.

The debate in 90 seconds reposting the link JanellK posted on page 5.







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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:12:47 PM

Most of the time what I read from you is through the lips of Fox News and right wing pundits, so I guess we're even. Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.


Keep telling yourself that.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:12:49 PM

"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."



And while we're at it, let's put the women back in pearls and dresses while cooking in the kitchen, let's go back to segregating schools and for shits and giggles lets make abortions illegal. Yeah, the good o'l "olden days".



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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:15:16 PM

I don't think Mitt has changed. I truly believe it is what the media and the Obama campaign has painted him (quite successfully) in the last few months. He has clearly made a few missteps but in my opinion, they have been blown so out of proportion that people start believing it. Mitt Romney is a businessman. He knows what to do to make it a positive environment for growth. And that means more jobs and better income.

I agree. And not only is Romney a businessman, he knows how to work with people of all kinds.


"I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable. "
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Well I guess you can look at it that way but its not true.

What's not true? The media is trying to portray Romney as an extremist or Romney as an extremist is so far from the truth that it's laughable?




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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:17:16 PM

Well, the president's never had to face a good Republican in debates. He's never been challenged in that way before. I don't think he's used to being straight-up challenged in the way that he was.

In Illinois when he first ran his opponents were disqualified (heh), so he ran unopposed. He easily won re-election. When he ran for the U.S. Senate his Republican challenger was Alan Keyes (!). When he ran for President in 2008, it was John McCain. None of those situations presented a case where his debate opponent offered much of a challenge.

Personally, I think this is who the President is when challenged. When faced with opposition, he's very often peevish, which I think is the best word to describe him in that situation. He was with Ryan in the White House health care meeting. He was, quite openly, with Benjamin Netanyahu in their meetings at the White House a while back.


Great points.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:18:45 PM
Did anyone else see this interview? 30 people in Denver were interviewed after the debate. The group of 30 were asked to raise their hand if they voted for Obama in 2008. All of them raised their hand. Then they were asked if the election was tomorrow how many of them would vote for Obama again. 2 raised their hand.

I thought it was interesting. I wonder how many other Americans that voted for him in 2008 feel the same way?



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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:21:44 PM

Yep. It was so nice for the country to finally see the Romney that's always been there and not the stupid narrative from the media.



It was a breath of fresh air.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:22:17 PM

Romney had to soften a lot of his stances that he has put forth the last year or so.



For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple.

you heard he was gonna totally deregulate banks?? and you believed that? Did you hear HIM say that? if so, where and when?
I listen to him and pr as much as possible and have never heard anything close to that. I wouldn't expect to either.


who thought he was gonna do those things?


MSNBC. You should have seen them after the debate! They were so disappointed that Obama didn't go after Romney on these things - that's what they said, not me putting words in their mouths.

figures. and people believe that stuff. they take their 'news' from what media matters tells them. MM = Soros/WH


there will be growth in revenue due to revitalization within the ranks of those newly or more gainfully employed who will be contributing more to the tax base.





I never hear Obama mention them or their revenue. Oops. Guess that's what you get with unending high unemployment/underemployment.

do they even understand that? they surely don't understand about small businesses and their tax filing - neither does BO. You'd think by now someone in his 'group' would have explained that to him. They probably figure once again the people are dumb and don't know. And 2ps shows that many don't.

more likely BO doesn't plan to have any job increases in this country.




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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:29:38 PM

"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."

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And while we're at it, let's put the women back in pearls and dresses while cooking in the kitchen, let's go back to segregating schools and for shits and giggles lets make abortions illegal. Yeah, the good o'l "olden days".



That asinine statement isn't even worth a response.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:35:54 PM

The rightwing peas will never comment on the lies that Romney told last night.


Why didn't Obama do that last night?






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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:40:56 PM
FTR I watched the debate last night and also the "smirk" youtube video. I absolutely noticed Obama's expression, in fact he and Romney were in such contrast. He looked unhappy, downright frowny at times but I wouldn't call that a smirk. At first when he was looking down, I thought he was just jotting down notes like they sometimes do. But then he just never looked up. It was very awkward.

OTOH I felt Romney carried a half smile, and every time Obama made a point, his eyes widened and his smile got a little bigger. He had a response forming. And oh my, his voice has a very soothing cadence.

BTW it always bothers me about how the candidates blow off the moderator. I had a FB friend comment, "I think Jim Lehrer is losing the debate." My response - "Doesn't he always?"


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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:41:13 PM
The only lies I saw last night were from Obama. Everything that the media and left want to claim as "lies" come from the false narrative that they have been trying to paint for him.


Ok I agree as long as we cut funding for the oil companies as well. We can't afford to pay them anymore.


Did you watch the debate last night at all? Mitt said that in order to do what needed to be done, that of course those subsidies were on the table to go away. Did you also hear that comparitively, Obama gave more to loser companies in the green energy sector in 1 year than oil and gas have received in almost 50 years?



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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:48:19 PM
"Obama gave more to loser companies in the green energy sector"

I don't have a problem with this as this is the future for the US and the world. There are going to be misteps but you don't stop just for that. If you don't see that is your choice.

$1 is too much to give to oil companies these days.
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