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Posted: 10/4/2012 12:57:07 PM

$1 is too much to give to oil companies these days.


Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:00:15 PM

I can't imagine what a nightmare it would be if they had to figure out what company covered everything that they needed.



What little bit of the debate I had a chance to watch, Romney was very well prepared and I thought he clearly was the winner.

if you'd watched the whole debate you wouldn't have to 'imagine' that.

MR didn't say anything they haven't been saying all along either. No one HAS to take a voucher - it'll be their CHOICE. There'll be a voucher or regular medicare option.


Romney (and his disdain for 47% of this country)

he doesn't have 'disdain' for any part of this country. The complete video has been released - he was talking only about those they needed to aim the campaign toward.

The majority of those on welfare, rushing to get BOcare etc will vote for BO and his give aways.

All campaigns target their audience. Knowing that a certain part of the people most likely won't vote for you and acknowledging it not unusual.

MR WAS talking to donors. It was about fund raising and where they needed to put the money.

He didn't say - or insinuate that he wouldn't be president of ALL the people. Nor would he change that once elected - unlike BO.

OTOH - many of us on SS, disability etc WILL be voting for MR - but he doesn't have to specifically target us to get our vote. He already has it.


And I was shocked at President Obama. I remember him well during the 2008 campain? Where was THAT guy?

reliving that 2007 video?

don't worry - he's back this morning on the trail - the same snide, mocking, divisive BO.


I will be voting for Romney and nothing on any of the debates will change my mind on that.

same here




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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:01:00 PM

I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.


The truth according to who?

According to FactCheck.org, who called him a "Serial Exaggerator," CNN who said his statement(s) regarding his healthcare plan were "mostly fiction," National Public Radio who said, "Romney goes on offense, pays for it in first wave of fact-checks," and ThinkProgress who said, "Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes."

To wrap it up, The Chicago Sun-Times said, "Romney wins on style, Obama wins on facts."

So, yes, there is some debate as to who was more factual, and each side will say the other side's fact-checkers are biased, but just about everyone feels Romney won the debate on presence and style.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:08:38 PM
By far, Al Gore's comment was the winner!! altitude????

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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:09:05 PM
"Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home."


Is that the best you can do? Buying is the key word here. I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:14:33 PM

I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product.


IDK, maybe you want to drive your car, heat your home, stay out of jail and not run for office yourself so you can have a hand in changing the current laws.






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Posted: 10/4/2012 1:19:30 PM

What he said was that he'd lower rates while at the same time reducing deductions - in an effort to keep the revenue the same.


He also admitted that he cannot POSSIBLY increase taxes on the rich, we can't 'make them carry the burden' something like that. He said that only once about 30 min into the debate. He said at least twice that we simply can't have both.

I agree with the analysts that Obama really only had 2 'great' moments. Once when he told 54+ yo's to listen and the other when he reminded Romney of (his seemingly) backpeddling of his tax plan.

Romney won on the basis that he used clear, short sentences, without having to 'build up' his answers like Obama did. On several instances during the debate I kept saying, 'just answer the question' because Obama had to 'build up' to everyting. Once he actually got there, it was good...but the constant build up made him look unprepared and not knowledgeable. And that happened, over and over again.

As to healthcare? obama could've shed light on a few things and chose not to. That bugged me, because Romney's plan is NOT any different than federal law. But - agreed that states need to be given the responsibility to handle their own plans.

In the end, Romney KNOWS that Barack is not going to do that again. I think Romney is going to be asked to be forthcoming with the HOW'S of his plans. WHAT exactly does he beleive no longer warrants financing from China or the Gov't. HOW does he plan to roll out his 'fix' to healthcare. WHAT is his definition of small business? Exactly WHICH loopholes and credits does he plan to offer? etc, etc, and at that point Romney will either sink or swim.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:05:58 PM

Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home.


Perfect.

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Obama hid from the truth the entire debate, his head down and blinking wildly like a practiced liar.

Romney especially answered the role of government question in such a manner that there was absolutely nothing Obama could say in contrast without slipping into his privileged Marxist roots.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:28:02 PM

Wren, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you thought Rush had some problem with anything Mitt Romney said last night.

Surprised?




Hey, don't mischaracterize what I said like that.

What I said, and I'll say it again, is that MR can only go so far towards the middle before people like Rush start to reign him back him.

I did not say that in one debate performance that he has gone too far over yet, OR that Rush would be unhappy with anything he said last night. In fact I fully anticipated that he would be universally lauded by the right left and middle of Repubblicans for his peformance last night.

So get it straight.

What happens as a result of his move to the center, as he is now pressed on those troublesome specifics, is what I was referring to.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:43:16 PM

Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.

you're watching Fox now?


because Romney's plan is NOT any different than federal law

oh yes it is. Starting with state vs federal


Is that the best you can do? Buying is the key word here. I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product.

how much of the tax per gallon goes to the 'oil company'?

how much to the feds?

and does all of the tax money going to the 'oil companies' per gal go to the same companies that get the 'additional' money?




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On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:

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Posted: 10/4/2012 2:48:32 PM

Obama hid from the truth the entire debate, his head down and blinking wildly like a practiced liar.


Tweet from Laura Ingraham during the debate: "Obama is blinking out a hostage-type message to Valerie - HELP!"

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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:25:00 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned but it made me laugh out loud last night and I just chuckled again when I read the quote. On CNN, they were discussing the debate of course afterwards and the President didn't have his game on etc., James Carville said "Romney came with a chainsaw!". It just cracked me up to hear him say that. Although I am a hard and fast right winger - I love James Carville! lol


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Posted: 10/4/2012 3:25:03 PM
For those that don't feel they have gotten "specifics" from MR, are we talking specifics like:

Close Gitmo during the first year of Presidency

Reduce Deficit by half during first term

Unemployment not over 8%

I think MR did well last night. I for one don't think we should elect a dictator...someone who comes in and says "we are going to do this and I don't care it will be done" but someone who understands that no matter what their agenda they will have to have a willing Congress to get these items done and how that will pan out remains to be seen. BO had a very willing Congress for 2 years and he didn't get any of the above promises done during that time.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:18:28 PM

"Obama gave more to loser companies in the green energy sector"

I don't have a problem with this as this is the future for the US and the world. There are going to be misteps but you don't stop just for that. If you don't see that is your choice.


NO. CORPORATE. WELFARE! None, zero, zilch, nada. No saying this company deserves taxpayer dollars handed to them. Flat corporate tax rate for everyone, not just one industry over another.

We have a ton of wind and solar here and all it did was raise our bills by not building new power plants as demand increased. It is expensive, the panels are made in China and not here in the US, and these companies are now bankrupt. So if you want to pay for it by investing your own retirement money into these shoddy companies, go right ahead but who are you to tell me that I and everyone else have to be forced to hand over billions to them AND pay the interest on it?



What I said, and I'll say it again, is that MR can only go so far towards the middle before people like Rush start to reign him back him.


I am glad you are finally realizing that fiscal conservative principles are not extreme, and actually quite moderate.

Obama is the extremist.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:25:17 PM
I wish they both gave their definition of "small business"

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:34:54 PM
"NO. CORPORATE. WELFARE! None, zero, zilch, nada. No saying this company deserves taxpayer dollars handed to them. Flat corporate tax rate for everyone, not just one industry over another."

Ok, sort of short sighted on your part but whatever.

However then no more subsidizes to fossel fuel companies. Or farmers or anyone else for that matter. Can't afford it.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:39:26 PM
"IDK, maybe you want to drive your car, heat your home, stay out of jail and not run for office yourself so you can have a hand in changing the current laws."

I know your trying to say something but I'm darn if know what it is. But that's OK it doesn't matter.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:42:16 PM
I wish so-called progressives would treat everyone the same way instead of carving out parts of a population.

There is nothing more fair than that, but of course, you can't incite groups of people to war against each other for your own personal benefit over who gets "special privilege" if you did that.

Obama's and the majority of the Democrat party goal was to kill the US economy. They succeeded. Now it is a shock that people disagree with Obama's policies and actions? Polls said that for years.


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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:49:48 PM


It just cracked me up to hear him say that. Although I am a hard and fast right winger - I love James Carville! lol



Have you ever read the book he wrote with his wife? It is All's Fair: Love, War and Running for President. I read it shortly after it came out and really enjoyed it. It is about their experience running competing Presidential campaigns.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 6:53:40 PM

"NO. CORPORATE. WELFARE! None, zero, zilch, nada. No saying this company deserves taxpayer dollars handed to them. Flat corporate tax rate for everyone, not just one industry over another."

Ok, sort of short sighted on your part but whatever.

However then no more subsidizes to fossel fuel companies. Or farmers or anyone else for that matter. Can't afford it.


Apparently I wasn't clear: no subsidies to anyone, any company, any industry, and one low flat tax rate for everyone. No more special deductions. No more "tax credits" to people who don't pay taxes. No more unfunded entitlement programs.

Obama lost the argument for you.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 7:21:11 PM
I found Romney to be a bit too aggressive. I found Obama to be a bit too laid back.



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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:44:01 PM
[Apparently I wasn't clear: no subsidies to anyone, any company, any industry, and one low flat tax rate for everyone. No more special deductions. No more "tax credits" to people who don't pay taxes. No more unfunded entitlement programs. /quote]

I totally agree, take care of yourself, have some self pride.

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Posted: 10/4/2012 8:49:08 PM

Obama's and the majority of the Democrat party goal was to kill the US economy. They succeeded. Now it is a shock that people disagree with Obama's policies and actions? Polls said that for years.


People seriously believe this?
Why would anyone want to "kill the US economy"?

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Posted: 10/4/2012 9:20:24 PM

Why would anyone want to "kill the US economy"?


Apparently you never read the Dem party platform or Obama's book -- "Dreams From My Father."

The world socio-economic view you support willingly or inadvertently wants to bring the US down to a "level playing field with other countries."

That is why Obama lost the debate -- no one wants that except a bunch of hardcore leftists.

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