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Well, the president's never had to face a good Republican in debates. He's never been challenged in that way before. I don't think he's used to being straight-up challenged in the way that he was.
In Illinois when he first ran his opponents were disqualified (heh), so he ran unopposed. He easily won re-election. When he ran for the U.S. Senate his Republican challenger was Alan Keyes (!). When he ran for President in 2008, it was John McCain. None of those situations presented a case where his debate opponent offered much of a challenge.
Personally, I think this is who the President is when challenged. When faced with opposition, he's very often peevish, which I think is the best word to describe him in that situation. He was with Ryan in the White House health care meeting. He was, quite openly, with Benjamin Netanyahu in their meetings at the White House a while back.
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For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple. Obama could have very easily pressed him and didn't.
Finally the lies the Left have been telling about him are being shown for what they are lies. They have been putting words in his mouth all along, and/or extrapolating what they thought he was saying or what they wanted to hear.
Even to the tax policy. It ONLY would amount to a 5 trillion dollar cut IF there was no increase in revenue through economic growth, and Mitt has said that he would only enact those policies IF it was deficit neutral. But the so called "fact checkers" seem to forget that. And base it on Obama's track record of no growth. |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 9:45:26 AM
I had to work late last night so I could only follow the debate by twitter on my way home.
My first hint Obama wasn't doing so well was when Rob Lowe tweeted that "Uncle Fluffy" had showed up to the debate. West Wing fans knows what that means.
I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.
I understand Obama had fact problems as well but not as high a % as Romney.
Wouldn't it be nice if both sides just told the truth for change. But I have a feeling it would be like the saying from that movie "you can't handle the truth."
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And no, I didn't hear Romney actually say how he was going to anything except for cutting funding to PBS and a few other institutions that made my leftist heart wrench
How soon the left forgets that the only specifics that Obama gave in 2008 were hope and change, and quite frankly I like the idea of going in with philosophical points of view rather than, "I won, deal with it". One allows for working compromise. One just stuffs it in your face. |
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I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.
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1. This is what happens when John Kerry plays Mitt Romney in debate prep
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What I loved about Romney's specifics is that they were specific when he could be, and otherwise, he talked about working with the opposition to come up with the rest. You can't name specifics before you've hammered out the details with both sides at the table. He pledged to do that, and since he's done it with success in the past, I believe him now. | |
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I think Mitt Romney did well. I still won't vote for him, but nonetheless, he performed. But his creepy smile while Obama was speaking was making me crazy. You don't have to stare at him the entire time. OMG - it was driving me nuts.
Jim Lehrer was terrible. I thought Mitt was completely obnoxious and being disrespectful towards him at times.
This Ohio liberal girl agrees and will be casting my swing state vote for Obama. I don't really care about the creepy smile but while Romney may be a better debater, his content is still crap in/crap out. | |
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I must have been way too involved with my bingo card, because I did not see the peevish and smirking demeanor from Obama that some are referencing - I missed all the specifics that Mrs. Tyler is talking about, too.
Listen, I think Mitt Romney did a good job last night. I do think he sounded more like the Mitt I thought I could live with as a Republican president -- but that's not the candidate that's been out stumping the last few months, nor the one that won him his party nomination.
So I have to wonder what will happen with the base if this is the Mitt they get and not the previous incarnation. Will it matter to any of you? Like if he's suddenly okay with choice again? If he decides "Romneycare" as a euphemism beats "Obamacare" and keeps it federal because "you've got to have some regulations"?
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"The truth according to who? "
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 10:28:06 AM
Al Gore is blaming the altitude for Obama's poor performance.
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I had the same thought, Darcy.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 10:33:15 AM
I do have a real live conspiracy theory - just think about it before you react. Before last night, the big donors had started to pull money from Romney and invest in Senate and House races instead. That money is going to go back to Romney in a big way now. Obama's not really worried about being outspent by the Super PAC's. And he's also not really worried about one debate closing the gap enough in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to truly be a game changer. But more Republican dollars going to Romney and less Republican dollars going to the down ticket races? That could be some diabolical strategery right there. |
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AthenainCA
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So I have to wonder what will happen with the base if this is the Mitt they get and not the previous incarnation. Will it matter to any of you? Like if he's suddenly okay with choice again? If he decides "Romneycare" as a euphemism beats "Obamacare" and keeps it federal because "you've got to have some regulations"?
What previous incarnation? Mitt's never been a far-right guy. I know the Left wants to spin him that way, but he's not. He never has been. Being pro-life does not equal nutter far-right.
Mitt Romney has always been more of a centrist. There isn't one thing about that that's "shocking" to me. I'd prefer a more true conservative, but at this moment, in this election, the choice is between HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy and SMALLER THAN HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy. You make the best choice out of the options you have.
And honestly, I fully expect to be disappointed by some things Mitt Romney does in office, should he be elected. He was the governor of one of the most Blue states in the Union. Things are bound to happen I don't care for, but likely not as many as would continue to happen with the Lefty that currently occupies the White House.
So yeah, die-hard conservative here who is 1) not shocked, 2) not appalled, and 3) still knows I'm making the best choice of the two legitimate options I have.
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Al Gore is blaming the altitude for Obama's poor performance.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 10:47:22 AM
"Listen, I think Mitt Romney did a good job last night. I do think he sounded more like the Mitt I thought I could live with as a Republican president -- but that's not the candidate that's been out stumping the last few months, nor the one that won him his party nomination."
I don't think Mitt has changed. I truly believe it is what the media and the Obama campaign has painted him (quite successfully) in the last few months. He has clearly made a few missteps but in my opinion, they have been blown so out of proportion that people start believing it. Mitt Romney is a businessman. He knows what to do to make it a positive environment for growth. And that means more jobs and better income.
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Re: cutting funding for PBS
The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days. )
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Great googly moogly, that was something else. As a fan of Romney, I was worried about this debate and nervous for him to do well. I needn't have worried. He positively dominated that whole thing. When it first started, I remarked to DH that Obama seemed like someone who didn't want to be President again. As it progressed, it was clear that Romney knew what he was talking about, and the President, not so much.
Yep. It was so nice for the country to finally see the Romney that's always been there and not the stupid narrative from the media.
For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple. Obama could have very easily pressed him and didn't.
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Finally the lies the Left have been telling about him are being shown for what they are lies. They have been putting words in his mouth all along, and/or extrapolating what they thought he was saying or what they wanted to hear.
Even to the tax policy. It ONLY would amount to a 5 trillion dollar cut IF there was no increase in revenue through economic growth, and Mitt has said that he would only enact those policies IF it was deficit neutral. But the so called "fact checkers" seem to forget that. And base it on Obama's track record of no growth.
I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable.
What previous incarnation? Mitt's never been a far-right guy. I know the Left wants to spin him that way, but he's not. He never has been. Being pro-life does not equal nutter far-right.
Mitt Romney has always been more of a centrist. There isn't one thing about that that's "shocking" to me. I'd prefer a more true conservative, but at this moment, in this election, the choice is between HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy and SMALLER THAN HUGE BIG GOVERNMENT guy. You make the best choice out of the options you have.
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We all know he can only go so far towards the middle before people like Rush start trying to reign him in again.
Because of this statement, I set my alarm so I wouldn't miss listening to Rush.
Wren, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you thought Rush had some problem with anything Mitt Romney said last night.
Surprised?
I'm sure there'll be a transcript on his site later today on his opening monologue. You can check it out for yourself. Rush Limbaugh, especially for Wren
He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on.
Those supporting Romney are "the chattering class" now? That was beneath you, Sarah.
We were actually planning on watching the debate and playing debate bingo, but something a lot more exciting came up that took DH and I's attention and we missed it, although I did see Chris Matthews throw his freak out afterward.
I did spend a little time last night listening to the talking heads and
It's probably a good thing I didn't actually see debate, I might have broke our flat screen throwing crap at the TV.....at both candidates, especially the President for not calling Mitt out on some of his lies.
Rachel Maddow and her gang at MSNBC threw the fit for you.
Great to see how your actions support your words over the past years here. You listened to the talking heads on MSNBC over watching the debate for yourself.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 11:43:50 AM
He blew it and he's just given the chattering class something new to natter on.
Those supporting Romney are "the chattering class" now? That was beneath you, Sarah.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:03:19 PM
"I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable. "
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:04:46 PM
"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."
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I do have a real live conspiracy theory - just think about it before you react. Before last night, the big donors had started to pull money from Romney and invest in Senate and House races instead. That money is going to go back to Romney in a big way now. Obama's not really worried about being outspent by the Super PAC's. And he's also not really worried about one debate closing the gap enough in states like Ohio and Wisconsin to truly be a game changer. But more Republican dollars going to Romney and less Republican dollars going to the down ticket races? That could be some diabolical strategery right there.
Thanks for the chuckle -- a conspiracy theory that Obama threw the debate on purpose just about made my day.
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Great to see how your actions support your words over the past years here. You listened to the talking heads on MSNBC over watching the debate for yourself.
Yes, I'm just so not as educated and as smart and enlightened as you.
Most of the time what I read from you is through the lips of Fox News and right wing pundits, so I guess we're even. Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.
I did get to read the transcripts though and I completely stand by what I said regarding all of Mitt's lies that were brought out in the open last night. |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:10:50 PM
I must have been way too involved with my bingo card, because I did not see the peevish and smirking demeanor from Obama that some are referencing - I missed all the specifics that Mrs. Tyler is talking about, too.
Here ya go. Check it out for yourself.
The debate in 90 seconds reposting the link JanellK posted on page 5.
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Most of the time what I read from you is through the lips of Fox News and right wing pundits, so I guess we're even. Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.
Keep telling yourself that.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:12:49 PM
"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."
And while we're at it, let's put the women back in pearls and dresses while cooking in the kitchen, let's go back to segregating schools and for shits and giggles lets make abortions illegal. Yeah, the good o'l "olden days".  
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:15:16 PM
I don't think Mitt has changed. I truly believe it is what the media and the Obama campaign has painted him (quite successfully) in the last few months. He has clearly made a few missteps but in my opinion, they have been blown so out of proportion that people start believing it. Mitt Romney is a businessman. He knows what to do to make it a positive environment for growth. And that means more jobs and better income.
I agree. And not only is Romney a businessman, he knows how to work with people of all kinds.
"I agree. The media/left has been trying to portray Romney as this extremist, and that is so far from the truth it's laughable. "
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Well I guess you can look at it that way but its not true.
What's not true? The media is trying to portray Romney as an extremist or Romney as an extremist is so far from the truth that it's laughable?
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Well, the president's never had to face a good Republican in debates. He's never been challenged in that way before. I don't think he's used to being straight-up challenged in the way that he was.
In Illinois when he first ran his opponents were disqualified (heh), so he ran unopposed. He easily won re-election. When he ran for the U.S. Senate his Republican challenger was Alan Keyes (!). When he ran for President in 2008, it was John McCain. None of those situations presented a case where his debate opponent offered much of a challenge.
Personally, I think this is who the President is when challenged. When faced with opposition, he's very often peevish, which I think is the best word to describe him in that situation. He was with Ryan in the White House health care meeting. He was, quite openly, with Benjamin Netanyahu in their meetings at the White House a while back.
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Did anyone else see this interview? 30 people in Denver were interviewed after the debate. The group of 30 were asked to raise their hand if they voted for Obama in 2008. All of them raised their hand. Then they were asked if the election was tomorrow how many of them would vote for Obama again. 2 raised their hand.
I thought it was interesting. I wonder how many other Americans that voted for him in 2008 feel the same way?
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Yep. It was so nice for the country to finally see the Romney that's always been there and not the stupid narrative from the media.
It was a breath of fresh air.
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Romney had to soften a lot of his stances that he has put forth the last year or so.
For instance, tonight he was adamant that he has no intention of ever lowering the taxes for millionaires and billionairs, that he's not going to totally deregulate banks etc, just to pick a couple.
you heard he was gonna totally deregulate banks?? and you believed that? Did you hear HIM say that? if so, where and when?
I listen to him and pr as much as possible and have never heard anything close to that. I wouldn't expect to either.
who thought he was gonna do those things?
MSNBC. You should have seen them after the debate! They were so disappointed that Obama didn't go after Romney on these things - that's what they said, not me putting words in their mouths.
figures. and people believe that stuff. they take their 'news' from what media matters tells them. MM = Soros/WH
there will be growth in revenue due to revitalization within the ranks of those newly or more gainfully employed who will be contributing more to the tax base.
I never hear Obama mention them or their revenue. Oops. Guess that's what you get with unending high unemployment/underemployment.
do they even understand that? they surely don't understand about small businesses and their tax filing - neither does BO. You'd think by now someone in his 'group' would have explained that to him. They probably figure once again the people are dumb and don't know. And 2ps shows that many don't.
more likely BO doesn't plan to have any job increases in this country.
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"The gov't can't support everything! How freaking hard is that for people to understand?!? It's not the gov't's job to provide 'quality television'! (If it was, we wouldn't have to watch all the other crap that's on and the downhill of swearing and whatnot being allowed. I'm at the point where they should bring back the twin beds of the 'olden' days."
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And while we're at it, let's put the women back in pearls and dresses while cooking in the kitchen, let's go back to segregating schools and for shits and giggles lets make abortions illegal. Yeah, the good o'l "olden days".
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The rightwing peas will never comment on the lies that Romney told last night.
Why didn't Obama do that last night?
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FTR I watched the debate last night and also the "smirk" youtube video. I absolutely noticed Obama's expression, in fact he and Romney were in such contrast. He looked unhappy, downright frowny at times but I wouldn't call that a smirk. At first when he was looking down, I thought he was just jotting down notes like they sometimes do. But then he just never looked up. It was very awkward.
OTOH I felt Romney carried a half smile, and every time Obama made a point, his eyes widened and his smile got a little bigger. He had a response forming. And oh my, his voice has a very soothing cadence.
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The only lies I saw last night were from Obama. Everything that the media and left want to claim as "lies" come from the false narrative that they have been trying to paint for him.
Ok I agree as long as we cut funding for the oil companies as well. We can't afford to pay them anymore.
Did you watch the debate last night at all? Mitt said that in order to do what needed to be done, that of course those subsidies were on the table to go away. Did you also hear that comparitively, Obama gave more to loser companies in the green energy sector in 1 year than oil and gas have received in almost 50 years? |
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"Obama gave more to loser companies in the green energy sector"
I don't have a problem with this as this is the future for the US and the world. There are going to be misteps but you don't stop just for that. If you don't see that is your choice.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 12:57:07 PM
$1 is too much to give to oil companies these days.
Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 1:00:15 PM
I can't imagine what a nightmare it would be if they had to figure out what company covered everything that they needed.
What little bit of the debate I had a chance to watch, Romney was very well prepared and I thought he clearly was the winner.
if you'd watched the whole debate you wouldn't have to 'imagine' that.
MR didn't say anything they haven't been saying all along either. No one HAS to take a voucher - it'll be their CHOICE. There'll be a voucher or regular medicare option.
Romney (and his disdain for 47% of this country)
he doesn't have 'disdain' for any part of this country. The complete video has been released - he was talking only about those they needed to aim the campaign toward.
The majority of those on welfare, rushing to get BOcare etc will vote for BO and his give aways.
All campaigns target their audience. Knowing that a certain part of the people most likely won't vote for you and acknowledging it not unusual.
MR WAS talking to donors. It was about fund raising and where they needed to put the money.
He didn't say - or insinuate that he wouldn't be president of ALL the people. Nor would he change that once elected - unlike BO.
OTOH - many of us on SS, disability etc WILL be voting for MR - but he doesn't have to specifically target us to get our vote. He already has it.
And I was shocked at President Obama. I remember him well during the 2008 campain? Where was THAT guy?
reliving that 2007 video?
don't worry - he's back this morning on the trail - the same snide, mocking, divisive BO.
I will be voting for Romney and nothing on any of the debates will change my mind on that.
same here
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 1:01:00 PM
I also follow Political Fact Check on twitter and Romney seems to have won on style only as a high % of his facts were less than accurate.
The truth according to who?
According to FactCheck.org, who called him a "Serial Exaggerator," CNN who said his statement(s) regarding his healthcare plan were "mostly fiction," National Public Radio who said, "Romney goes on offense, pays for it in first wave of fact-checks," and ThinkProgress who said, "Romney told 27 myths in 38 minutes."
To wrap it up, The Chicago Sun-Times said, "Romney wins on style, Obama wins on facts."
So, yes, there is some debate as to who was more factual, and each side will say the other side's fact-checkers are biased, but just about everyone feels Romney won the debate on presence and style.
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By far, Al Gore's comment was the winner!! altitude???? | |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 1:09:05 PM
"Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home."
Is that the best you can do? Buying is the key word here. I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product. | |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 1:14:33 PM
I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product.
IDK, maybe you want to drive your car, heat your home, stay out of jail and not run for office yourself so you can have a hand in changing the current laws.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 1:19:30 PM
What he said was that he'd lower rates while at the same time reducing deductions - in an effort to keep the revenue the same.
He also admitted that he cannot POSSIBLY increase taxes on the rich, we can't 'make them carry the burden' something like that. He said that only once about 30 min into the debate. He said at least twice that we simply can't have both.
I agree with the analysts that Obama really only had 2 'great' moments. Once when he told 54+ yo's to listen and the other when he reminded Romney of (his seemingly) backpeddling of his tax plan.
Romney won on the basis that he used clear, short sentences, without having to 'build up' his answers like Obama did. On several instances during the debate I kept saying, 'just answer the question' because Obama had to 'build up' to everyting. Once he actually got there, it was good...but the constant build up made him look unprepared and not knowledgeable. And that happened, over and over again.
As to healthcare? obama could've shed light on a few things and chose not to. That bugged me, because Romney's plan is NOT any different than federal law. But - agreed that states need to be given the responsibility to handle their own plans.
In the end, Romney KNOWS that Barack is not going to do that again. I think Romney is going to be asked to be forthcoming with the HOW'S of his plans. WHAT exactly does he beleive no longer warrants financing from China or the Gov't. HOW does he plan to roll out his 'fix' to healthcare. WHAT is his definition of small business? Exactly WHICH loopholes and credits does he plan to offer? etc, etc, and at that point Romney will either sink or swim. | |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 2:05:58 PM
Then stop buying gas for your car or heating oil for your home.
Perfect.
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Obama hid from the truth the entire debate, his head down and blinking wildly like a practiced liar.
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Wren, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about if you thought Rush had some problem with anything Mitt Romney said last night.
Surprised?
Hey, don't mischaracterize what I said like that.
What I said, and I'll say it again, is that MR can only go so far towards the middle before people like Rush start to reign him back him.
I did not say that in one debate performance that he has gone too far over yet, OR that Rush would be unhappy with anything he said last night. In fact I fully anticipated that he would be universally lauded by the right left and middle of Repubblicans for his peformance last night.
So get it straight.
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 2:43:16 PM
Actually there are quite a few here that I see parrot the Fox News pundits.
you're watching Fox now?
because Romney's plan is NOT any different than federal law
oh yes it is. Starting with state vs federal
Is that the best you can do? Buying is the key word here. I why should buy the oil and give additional money from tax dollars for the same product.
how much of the tax per gallon goes to the 'oil company'?
how much to the feds?
and does all of the tax money going to the 'oil companies' per gal go to the same companies that get the 'additional' money?
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"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
- President Theodore Roosevelt
On June 28, 1787, as Governor of Pennsylvania, Benjamin Franklin hosted the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia, where he moved:
"That henceforth prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven, and its blessing on our deliberations, be held in this Assembly every morning."
Franklin wrote April 17, 1787:
"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters."
Benjamin Franklin wrote his epitaph:
"THE BODY of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN - Printer. Like the cover of an old book, Its contents torn out, And stripped of its lettering and gilding, Lies here, food for worms; Yet the work itself shall not be lost, For it will (as he believed) appear once more, In a new, And more beautiful edition, Corrected and amended By The AUTHOR."
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 2:48:32 PM
Obama hid from the truth the entire debate, his head down and blinking wildly like a practiced liar.
Tweet from Laura Ingraham during the debate: "Obama is blinking out a hostage-type message to Valerie - HELP!" | |
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| Posted: 10/4/2012 3:25:00 PM
I don't know if this has been mentioned but it made me laugh out loud last night and I just chuckled again when I read the quote. On CNN, they were discussing the debate of course afterwards and the President didn't have his game on etc., James Carville said "Romney came with a chainsaw!". It just cracked me up to hear him say that. Although I am a hard and fast right winger - I love James Carville! lol |
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